Skip to comments.Ex-FBI deputy director dispels conspiracy theories about the Oklahoma City bombing in memoir
Posted on 11/24/2007 11:59:37 AM PST by xjcsa
OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) --- A team of FBI agents that re-examined the Oklahoma City bombing after a resurgence in conspiracy theories uncovered no new reliable leads, the man who initially supervised the bureau's investigation told a newspaper.
In his new memoir, "On-Scene Commander," former FBI deputy director Weldon Kennedy criticizes those who believe federal authorities did not find all the people involved in the terrorist attack's planning. He spoke to The Oklahoman newspaper for a story in Saturday's editions.
"There's no possible way there were other conspirators," Kennedy wrote. "I can say with total confidence that we identified all three conspirators in the case and arrested them."
The bomber, Timothy McVeigh, was executed in 2001. Of his friends linked to the case, Terry Nichols is serving life in federal prison for his role in the attack and Michael Fortier spent years in prison for his crimes before being released last year.
Kennedy oversaw the agency's probe during the first couple of months after the April 19, 1995, attack on the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building near downtown Oklahoma City. He also served as spokesman for the FBI at news conferences.
He told the newspaper that he learned of the re-examination of the bombing, which killed 168, "through my continuing association with contemporaries in the FBI and so forth."
"I've not seen any of the documents ... but I'm told that that review was very comprehensive and quite conclusive that there was ... no lead, no avenue unexplored, in the entire case," he said.
In his book, Kennedy wrote that the mysterious "John Doe No. 2" turned out to be "someone's memory playing tricks on him." FBI sketches of "John Doe No. 2" were released worldwide after witnesses said that man was with McVeigh when the bomb truck was rented in Junction City, Kan.
Kennedy said he is certain there are no others involved in the bombing because McVeigh and Nichols used a telephone calling card -- purchased under a fake name -- in their plot to find bombing materials and to keep in contact. The FBI was able to track where the two called.
"If there in fact was another conspirator, I am absolutely convinced that we would have been able to identify him through the telephone (records) and through other investigation that we did which was exhaustive," he said.
Kennedy, 69, was the special agent in charge in Arizona when FBI Director Louis Freeh tapped him to head up the initial bombing investigation in Oklahoma City. He retired from the agency in 1997.
...works for me.
Yes, but they are all dirty.
Asking the man who headed the original investigation to critique his work is not likely to produce new results.
So the agent that would have been in charge of the cover up claims there was no cover up. Big deal.
We’re not supposed to think. We’re supposed to accept what we are told and move on.
Jose Padilla can not be dismissed as someone’s memory playing tricks.
And Terry Nichols, convenience store clerk, travelling to the Phillipines is similarly something that needs to be absolutely clarified.
Anyone know what happened to OKCsubmariner? I thought that poster was all over the OKC stuff...
Banned, I believe.
Remember, remember when we used toi believe automatically everything the FBI said? Huh, do you?
Boy, that was a long time ago.
I guess this FBI agent knows Gorelick.
Hell, it only took 14 years for Weldon to get his story straight.
I think that pretty much explains the whole thing.
He would have been 59 in 1997, plenty old enough for a government employee to get full retirement.. but
"Weldon Kennedy also later resigned from the FBI after being accused of lying to Congress about corrupt practices at the FBI crime lab."
A web site says its true, he did resign for the stated reason. I believe that he ran the OKC bombing investigation and then was promoted to Freeh's top Deputy Director.
Another site says, "Senator Charles Grassley, formally accused Kennedy of lying to Grassley and Congress and of covering up the FBI crime lab falsification of evidence as revealed by an FBI agent, Fredrick Whitehurst, who had worked at the lab. Kennedy resigned shortly thereafter and went to work at a security position in St. Louis."
I think that it's true. It's also true that he has a hell of lot at stake to stop any questions about the work of his FBI.
Folks, it took years for American citizens to get Congress to do honest hearings on Ruby Ridge and Waco (more or less, but better than the original hearings caricatures). Without free, modern talk radio the efforts may have failed.
All the while the citizens were ridiculed and threatened -- the government had a version and the Bush (Ruby Ridge) and Clinton (Waco, covered up Ruby Ridge) administrations were sticking to "the story".
I don’t have a problem with the folks they fingered. I do have a problem with the folks they didn’t finger. I also have a problem with certain people who were warned before the event, yet the authorities don’t own up to prior knowledge. I do have a problem with at least three inside informations a Elohim city, one of which laid out the plan fairly clearly in advance, and was thanked for it by be blackballed, even though she remained in the employ of federal agents for about a year after the bombing.
The whole thing stinks. What the terrorists couldn’t accomplish, the federal agencies did, namely to generate a an inability of the public to trust a thing they say.
Yes, I remember. That was a long, long time ago, long before Ruby Ridge, Waco and the Richard Jewell frame-up and more that I’m sure you could call to memory. A sad turn of history, indeed.
Perhaps Mr. Kennedy can explain why Nichols went all the way to the Philippines to work alone on his bombs. Are they more tolerant of playing with bombs than Kansas?
Otherwise perhaps Mr. Kennedy can explain why president security adviser Richard Clarke would write this in his book, Against All Enemies:
"we do know that Nichols's bombs did not work before his Philippines stay and were deadly when he returned."
“...A witness to the explosion named Grossman claimed to have seen a pale yellow Mercury car with a Ryder truck behind it pulling up to the Federal Building. Mr. Grossman further claimed to have seen a woman on the corner waving to the truck. ATSAIC McNally noted that this fact is significant due to the fact that the security video shows the Ryder truck pulling up to the Federal Building and then pausing (7-10 seconds) before resuming into a slot in front of the building. It is speculated that the woman was signalling the truck when a slot became available....”
And here, locally (Boston), the clever gangster, brother to the clever political poobah, who became a snitch to the FBI so that they might take out his competiton and cover up for his murders, and who was warned by said FBI to take a flier before the federal indictments went down.
Now said criminal, aged 78, laughs at us from the 10 Most Wanted List.
September, 2001. "Lawyers for CBS Broadcasting Inc. have filed a motion in U.S. district court asking a federal judge to vacate an earlier order prohibiting parties associated with the Oklahoma City bombing case from talking to the press or releasing documents pertaining to it, WorldNetDaily has learned.
"'Time has passed; circumstances have changed; the fair trials considerations properly taken into account by the court in entering the non-disclosure order in 1996 no longer apply,' the motion said, according to The McCurtain Daily Gazette newspaper, which first published details yesterday.
"The Oklahoma City-based law firm of Hall, Estill, Hardwick, Gable, Golden and Nelson is handling the case for CBS, according to the motion. Robert Nelon is the attorney coordinating the case; a spokeswoman in his office confirmed to WND that the case was filed Wednesday. . . . "
Not allowed, can't do it. Get lost.
Emperor’s Tailor Memoirs Insist “Emperor’s style of dress impeccable”.
The Denver Post, "Who bombed the Murrah building? Part three," December 15, 1996.
Section: AA, Page: AA-06.
Mark Eddy and Steven Wilmsen Denver Post Staff Writers Copyright The Denver Post
"Around 8:30 a.m. Tulsa banker Kyle Hunt saw a yellow Mercury driving behind a Ryder truck in downtown Oklahoma City. The two vehicles moved slowly, and Hunt said he initially thought the vehicles belonged to a family that was moving and had become lost in the maze of downtown's one-way streets.
"Hunt, who was in town for a business meeting and knew his way around the city, pulled up next to the car, ready to ask the driver if he needed help. But the man, whom he later identified as Tim McVeigh, shot him a nasty look, and Hunt decided to keep his mouth shut. There were two other people in the car with McVeigh, Hunt told The Post. Hunt couldn't see into the cab of the Ryder.
"A short time later, David Snider saw McVeigh in the passenger seat of a Ryder truck with another man. Snider was waiting for a truck to pick up some equipment, so he was standing on a downtown loading dock looking for trucks."
How about the leg and boot of an arab/hispanic (Edomite) that was never identified? May have been one of Ben Laden’s crud!
I note that he tries to dismiss any criticism as “conspiracy theories.”
I don’t buy into a “conspiracy theory,” so much as I recognize that at the time, the Clinton administration repeatedly refused to deal with the Islamic terrorism threat. It’s not much of a stretch to believe that it was decided early on, from the top down, that there was no connection in the OKC bombing to Islamic terrorism, period.
There are just too many indications of Islamic connections in this to believe that there was not a conscious decision not to pursue certain avenues of investigation. For crying out loud, how many Americans travel to the southern Philippines? We’re supposed to believe that Nichols visiting the al-Sayyef-infested region thereof is merely a coincidence?
It’s also very clear that the powerful protect one another, regardless of party affiliation.
'"If there in fact was another conspirator, I am absolutely convinced that we would have been able to identify him through the telephone (records) and through other investigation that we did which was exhaustive," he said.'
Reminds me of the FBI's dispelling of Czech Intelligence's report that 9/11's Atta met a known Iraqi Intelligence Officer in Prague. They said it wasn't true because phone records showed Atta's cellphone was used in the U.S. during the time of the meeting. (Of cause that proved he was the one that used it.)
Kennedy, then 56, was five months away from retirement.
Weldon Kennedy later resigned from the FBI after being accused of lying to Congress about corrupt practices at the FBI crime lab.
“I’ve not seen any of the documents”, Weldon Kennedy.
“but I’m told that that review was very comprehensive and quite conclusive”
Being a murdering goobermint jackboot means never having to say you’re sorry - Jack Magaw, Homeland Security
Ping to a second thread, a little different than the other.
I wonder if Hussein al-husseini agrees...
While there, he and some partners ordered Chinese food delivered to the room.
The take-out guy SAW McVeigh in there with John Doe 2 and an ARAB guy --dark. The dude was clear about it.
Blast from the past:
The Clintons Terrorist Ties
The written and verbal confession of Abdul Hakim Murad, obtained by the FBI three months after the Murrah building bombing, that Ramzi Youssef’s “liberation army” was responsible for the bombing.
Pentagon assertions that McVeigh was an Iraqi agent and had collected Iraqi telephone numbers prior to his arrest.
A March 1998 Timothy McVeigh-copyrighted “Essay on Hypocrisy,” which defended Iraq’s right to “stockpile chemical or biological weapons” and returned again and again to the topic of Iraq.
Armed and Dangerous: Private Police on the March
Excerpt from thread
Timothy McVeigh = Burns Security in upstate New York
>>>”The most notorious security guard alumnus is Timothy McVeigh. After serving in Operation Desert Storm, he hooked up with Burns Security in upstate New York. He guarded Calspan Corporation, a firm which conducts research for the Defense Department.
About Burns in Oklahoma City
For nearly a half-century, Burns International has been a premiere supplier of security services in Oklahoma City and surrounding communities.
Entering into the 21st Century, with a staff of over 400 licensed security officers, we are the largest provider of contract security officer service in Oklahoma City serving the metro and surrounding areas. We have an equal size district office in Tulsa.<<<
Sahim Alwan (Lackawanna 6) - A former security guard at a local Blue Cross/Blue Shield office, he had assisted the agency in a federal fraud investigation in the late 1990s.
Terry Nichols, Philippines, bombs, etc.
See Mark Tapscott here: Before Able Danger and Mohamed Atta, There Was Murrah Building Bombing and Hussain Al-Hussaini; Journalist Uncovers OKC Links to 9/11, which links to this L.A. Weekly article: The Rohrabacher Test: Congressman questions Terry Nichols about Oklahoma City bombing.
The Mark Tapscott link also has a comprehensive statement from Jayna Davis, who has pursued this story for ten long years and has now written a book entitled The Third Terrorist.
One interesting quote among many in the L.A. Weekly piece is from Richard Clarke:
Clarke wrote that the theory of Nichols getting training in the Philippines intrigued him because he could never disprove it. We do know that Nichols bombs did not work before his Philippine stay and were deadly after he returned.
So given all that background, here it is and a formatting note, rather than blockquote the quoted sections from these links, I used indigo and a smaller font.
Suddenly, the veil starts to lift a bit.
Now Terry Nichols claims to have been involved in the planning and execution of the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995 after all. 168 people were killed in the attack.
C.G. Hill gives a short roundup on the Nichols revelations.
Of course, there is a large backchannel story here that gets no coverage in the media whatsoever.
(1) Al Qaeda Recruited U.S. Servicemen: Testimony Links Plot To Saudi Govt:
An al Qaeda operative sought to recruit U.S. veterans as paramilitary trainers and combat volunteers in 1992 and 1993, at the explicit direction of a cleric who converted thousands of Gulf War soldiers to Islam on behalf of the Saudi government.
Clement Rodney Hampton-El was convicted of conspiring to blow up New York City landmarks in a 1993 terror plot linked to the World Trade Center bombing in February of that year.
An al Qaeda-trained bomb expert with ties to Ramzi Yousef and radical cleric Omar Abdel Rahman, Hampton-El testified that he was summoned to a meeting at the Saudi embassy in December 1992.
During the meeting, Hampton-El was informed that wealthy Saudis were sponsoring jihad operations in Bosnia, according to his testimony in the 1995 trial (US v. Rahman, S5 93 Cr. 18, August 2, 1995). Hampton-El said he was allotted a budget of $150,000 to train volunteer mujahideen fighters and support their families in the U.S.
Bilal Philips began working for the Saudi government in March 1991, leading an educational program for American soldiers stationed in the Gulf. Ostensibly to teach the Americans about Islamic and Saudi culture, the program was in actuality an aggressive campaign to convert U.S. soldiers to Islam, by Philips own admission.
Immediately after Iraq surrendered in the Persian Gulf War, Philips organized a tent revival in the middle of the U.S. barracks in Riyadh, targeting U.S. soldiers assigned to defend the kingdom, according to Senate testimony by foreign propaganda expert J. Michael Waller of the Annenberg Institute and published interviews with Philips.
For about five and a half months beginning in March 1991, the program converted between 1,000 and 3,000 U.S. soldiers to Islam. According to Waller, Philips was made a proselytization official by the Saudi Air Force. Philips said his work on the program continued through 1994.
The entire operation was sanctioned and sponsored by the Saudi government, according to a November 2003 article in the Washington Post.
We registered the names and addresses of over 3,000 male and female US soldiers, Philips said in a 2003 interview with a Saudi-owned Arabic language magazine published out of London. According to Philips, a team of workers trained in psychology identified soldiers who were receptive to Islam and singled them out for more personalized preaching in smaller groups. In some cases, soldiers also visited with Saudi families.
After the initial conversion program ended, Philips followed up in the United States, with phone calls and visits designed to recruit recently released veterans as potential members of Osama bin Ladens terrorist network. He enlisted assistance from others based in the U.S., including Hampton-El and members of Islamic centers all over the United States.
Hampton-El also testified that he met a Prince Abdullah Faisal at the embassy, who told him he had heard of Hampton-El from Afghanistan.
Under Saudi naming conventions, it is extremely unclear to whom this refers; the name would be consistent with more than one member of the Saudi royal family.
One possible identification consistent with the name would be Prince Sultan bin Faisal bin Turki bin Abdullah al-Saud, a Saudi prince who was named as a major terrorist sponsor by a captured al Qaeda mastermind in 2002, according to Gerald Posner, writing in Why America Slept.
Prince Sultan bin Faisal bin Turki was killed in a car accident less than four months after being named an al Qaeda accomplice, according to Posner. Two other Saudis named by the al Qaeda lieutenant also died under unusual circumstances within days of the accident, Posner writes.
A little housecleaning is always good. Smells all clean and fresh afterwards.
(2) Then both Nichols and McVeigh suddenly moved:
Just one month after an al Qaeda recruiter was ordered to contact former U.S. servicemen, both Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols relocated to areas where Osama bin Ladens terror network was actively recruiting.
In December 1992, al Qaeda operative Clement Rodney Hampton-El was given a list of former U.S. servicemen to recruit as volunteers by a Saudi-linked cleric based in the Philippines, according to testimony in his 1995 trial.
Shortly after Hampton-El was given the list, McVeigh quit his job and moved to Florida, where al Qaeda was creating a new financing network. In January 1993, Nichols traveled to the Philippines, where al Qaeda had extensive training and financial operations already in place, and stayed there for 30 to 60 days.
Hampton-El was a weapons dealer connected to a New York City al Qaeda cell responsible for planning a series of ammonium nitrate truck bomb attacks. Ammonium nitrate was also the main component of the Oklahoma City bomb used by McVeigh and Nichols.
(3) Next, this:
This is where the story gets really interesting. All of what follows is proven fact. Well get to the suppositions in a minute.
In September 1994, just as Nichols and McVeigh began working on their bomb, al Qaeda expert bomb-builder Ramzi Yousef and his homicidal mastermind uncle, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, had arrived in Manila with orders from Osama bin Laden to plan and launch attacks on the United States.
Among the plans they hatched during this period was an ambition operation known as Bojinka, which is apparently Serbo-Croation for big bang. The plot called for five terrorists to plant bombs on 11 U.S.-bound airliners originating in the region, which would detonate nearly simultaneously over the Pacific. A second phase of the plan was a predecessor to the September 11 attacks one or more plans would be hijacked or stolen, then crashed into prominent U.S. landmarks such as CIA headquarters, the Pentagon or the World Trade Center.
The operatives who were to carry out the plan were never all definitively identified. Bojinka was set to launch on January 21, 1995, the exact date that Terry Nichols 60-day visa was set to expire.
In December, Yousef tested one of the Bojinka bombs on a flight from Manila to Tokyo. He got on the flight, planted the bomb and disembarked during a layover in Cebu City, the Philippines. The bomb went off on the second leg of the flight, killing one person, although the plane managed to make an emergency landing.
At the exact same time, Terry Nichols was hanging out in Cebu City, where his wife was attending college. Yousef had made several trips to Cebu in late 1994, visiting friends who were attending the same college as Nichols wife.
Yousefs location for a week or so after the bombing is unknown. In subsequent attacks on Western interests around the world, Khalid Shaikh would use ammonium nitrate bombs (chemically identical to McVeighs bomb) over and over again, right up until his capture in 2003.
(4) And last, this:
DENVER, Nov. 19 Oklahoma City bombing defendant Terry L. Nichols, crying during some of his ex-wifes testimony, today heard her recount how she discovered a letter in which he urged Timothy J. McVeigh to go for it five months before the bombing.
Wiping his eyes as his attorney put a hand on his shoulder, Nichols for the first time in his trial dropped his calm demeanor as ex-wife Lana Padilla described going through a collection of letters left for her and McVeigh in the event Nichols did not return from a trip to the Philippines in November 1994.
The letter that caused Nichols to break down in tears instructed Padilla to divide his property between his new wife Marife and a son he and Padilla had had during their eight-year marriage.
But defense hopes of presenting Nichols in a favorable, human light may have been tempered by the second, potentially incriminating, letter, which was to be forwarded to McVeigh. Padilla first disclosed the contents of this note in a book she wrote in 1995, By Blood Betrayed, and later in an interview with the American Journal television show.
Your [sic] on your own; go for it, Nichols wrote to McVeigh. As far as heat, none that I know. This letter would be for the purpose of my death.
Thanks for sharing your research, I am working on googles for all of them, could not resist.
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