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General: Basra Violence Down 90 Percent
Associated Press ^ | November 16, 2007 | Lauren Frayer

Posted on 11/24/2007 1:46:00 PM PST by Sergei Andropov

BAGHDAD (AP) — Attacks against British and Iraqi forces have plunged by 90 percent in southern Iraq since London withdrew its troops from the main city of Basra, the commander of British forces there said.

The presence of British forces in downtown Basra, Iraq's second-largest city, was the single largest instigator of violence, Maj. Gen. Graham Binns told reporters Thursday on a visit to Baghdad's Green Zone.

"We thought, 'If 90 percent of the violence is directed at us, what would happen if we stepped back?'" Binns said.

Britain's 5,000 troops moved out of a former Saddam Hussein palace at Basra's heart in early September, setting up a garrison at an airport on the city's edge. Since that pullback, there's been a "remarkable and dramatic drop in attacks," Binns said.

"The motivation for attacking us was gone, because we're no longer patrolling the streets," he said.

Last spring, British troops' daily patrols through central Basra led to "steady toe to toe battles with militias fighting some of the most tactically demanding battles of the war," Binns said. Now British forces rarely enter the city center, an area patrolled only by Iraqis.

The majority of attacks now target Iraqi forces, but overall violence now is still a tenth of what it was in May and June.

"They're increasingly in the frame — more at risk — as they take over more responsibility," Binns said of his Iraqi counterparts.

(Excerpt) Read more at ap.google.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: basrah; iraq; withdrawal
The sectarian war has largely run its course. The south is tolerably pacified. Al-Qaeda is on the endangered species list. The Sunni Awakening has finally begun the integration of the Sunnis into the central government and the security forces. The other Sunni groups mostly just want us to leave, or at least promise to leave at some point in the future. Our military is so sophisticated that we would be able to repel an Iranian invasion from our bases in the Gulf, and in Turkey. So, once we're finished with al-Qaeda, is there any reason we can't begin to withdraw?
1 posted on 11/24/2007 1:46:02 PM PST by Sergei Andropov
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To: Sergei Andropov

“Pull out now, damn it!!!!!!”

My name is Ron Paul, and I have approved of this message.


2 posted on 11/24/2007 1:47:37 PM PST by DoughtyOne (California, where the death penalty is reserved for wholesome values. SB 777)
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To: Sergei Andropov

What do you think the insurgency was about? And what do you think is the principal reason it is now ending?


3 posted on 11/24/2007 1:55:48 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: Sergei Andropov

Meanwhile, the Shiite sheikhs are saying that thanks to the Brits, southern Iraq has become an Iranian province.


4 posted on 11/24/2007 1:57:11 PM PST by Zhang Fei
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To: Sergei Andropov
Britain's 5,000 troops moved out of a former Saddam Hussein palace at Basra's heart in early September, setting up a garrison at an airport on the city's edge. Since that pullback, there's been a "remarkable and dramatic drop in attacks," Binns said.

ROTFLMAO!

Yep, the surge is working!

Thank you troops for many do appreciate what you have sacrificed.

Because of you, it's working!

5 posted on 11/24/2007 2:03:29 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: vbmoneyspender

It’s about different things to different groups. Al-Qaeda’s goal in Iraq was to destabilize it so they could build their “Islamic State in Iraq” out of the rubble. So long as they are active there, there will be no peace. With their extermination, the biggest obstacle to peace will have been removed.


6 posted on 11/24/2007 2:05:47 PM PST by Sergei Andropov (Deus serva Americam)
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To: vbmoneyspender
I was on a liberal forum recently and their response to the peace in Iraq (relative) is due to the anticipation we will be leaving soon. Rather then give credit to the magnificent effort of the military in quelling the violence they choose to point to the British retreat from Basra as proof there would be a great deal less violence if we just left.

The apparent success of the surge is explained away as a coincidence and the lull in violence had nothing to do with the take and hold strategy of Gen Patreaus.

The libs will never give the military credit for anything unless it is something that reflects poorly on them or the country they fight and die for.

7 posted on 11/24/2007 2:07:48 PM PST by aroundabout
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To: Sergei Andropov
Al-Qaeda’s goal in Iraq was to destabilize it so they could build their “Islamic State in Iraq” out of the rubble.

After the "surge" focus on Pakistan.

The MSM sure is now. ; )

8 posted on 11/24/2007 2:18:57 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: DoughtyOne
“Pull out now, damn it!!!!!!”

My name is Ron Paul, and I have approved of this message.

Oh, just let it ride and wear a condom Ron.

The Democrat's will appreciate you more if you do. /snicker

9 posted on 11/24/2007 2:22:05 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Sergei Andropov

The insurgency was about the Sunnis thinking they could bull their way back into power. Al. Qaeda was simply a useful proxy which they used to terrorize the Shiites. The insurgency is now ending because our troops and the Shiites have taught the Sunnis a lesson in the last year that they will never again control Iraq the way they did under Hussein. Realizing that they are defeated and having been driven from large parts of Baghdad, the Sunnis are now attempting to cut the best deal they can. Part of that deal is turning on their erstwhile Al Qaeda allies in order to curry favor with us and with the Shiite government that is control of the oil purse strings.


10 posted on 11/24/2007 2:24:14 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: aroundabout

It is used to be that the libs’ main talking point was that Al Qaeda was a sidelight in the insurgency and that the main force we were having to fight were the native Sunni-Arabs. Now that the native Sunni-Arabs have come over to our side, the talking points have apparently reversed with the native forces being inconsequential and Al Qaeda being all important.


11 posted on 11/24/2007 2:26:55 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: EGPWS

LOL, good one. That was a target rich environment, but I’ll take the high road.


12 posted on 11/24/2007 2:29:10 PM PST by DoughtyOne (California, where the death penalty is reserved for wholesome values. SB 777)
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To: DoughtyOne
...but I’ll take the high road.

I know you will my FRiend. : )

Best wishes to you.

Regards,

EG

13 posted on 11/24/2007 2:33:40 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: EGPWS

Best wishes to you also. Take care.


14 posted on 11/24/2007 2:36:31 PM PST by DoughtyOne (California, where the death penalty is reserved for wholesome values. SB 777)
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To: vbmoneyspender

I suppose one could say that Vietnam and Cambodia got peace once we left and the region became communist. But for millions, it was the peace of the grave.


15 posted on 11/24/2007 2:38:59 PM PST by ChessExpert (Reagan dismantled the Russian empire of 21 conquered nations)
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To: Sergei Andropov
General: Basra Violence Down 90 Percent

BUSH'S FAULT!!! Oops; uh, wait a minute. Oh, never mind.
16 posted on 11/24/2007 2:39:49 PM PST by no dems (Don't hate me and call me names because you can't reply to my posts intelligently.)
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To: vbmoneyspender
It is used to be that the libs’ main talking point was that Al Qaeda was a sidelight in the insurgency and that the main force we were having to fight were the native Sunni-Arabs. Now that the native Sunni-Arabs have come over to our side, the talking points have apparently reversed with the native forces being inconsequential and Al Qaeda being all important.

What ever talking points they need to destroy our sovereignty, via our strength, they will use...time and time again.

17 posted on 11/24/2007 2:45:16 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Sergei Andropov

Our military is so sophisticated that we would be able to repel an Iranian invasion from our bases in the Gulf, and in Turkey.

You must have no idea how Iran invades. Yours is a wonderful fantasy though. Just don't think about Lebanon or Palestine and you'll be able to maintain it until all of our interests in Baghdad have been routed.

18 posted on 11/24/2007 2:55:04 PM PST by humint (...err the least and endure! VDH)
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To: humint

I was referring to a military invasion.


19 posted on 11/24/2007 3:01:53 PM PST by Sergei Andropov (Deus serva Americam)
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To: Sergei Andropov

In that part of the world that is out of fashion...


20 posted on 11/24/2007 3:10:10 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Zhang Fei

Can you explain why?


21 posted on 11/24/2007 3:43:43 PM PST by B4Ranch (( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share." ))
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To: B4Ranch

The Brits let the local police get infiltrated by Shiite militias and permitted the police to run around killing Muslims whom they considered insufficiently devout, as well as non-Muslims. Their whole policy was to ignore the militias as long as the militias ignored them. Which kept British and militia casualties down, but brought Iranian rule to southern Iraq via Iraqi Shiite militias - whom the Iranians funded and trained.


22 posted on 11/24/2007 3:57:13 PM PST by Zhang Fei
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To: DoughtyOne

Yes there are two ways to look at this. Like you I will let it go.


23 posted on 11/24/2007 5:22:22 PM PST by Parley Baer
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