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Wolf debate hits close to home for ranchers ( Canadian wolves )
Associated Press...The Billings Gazette ^ | November 24, 2007 | MATTHEW BROWN

Posted on 11/24/2007 6:50:43 PM PST by george76

PRAY - For rancher Randy Petrich, the removal of gray wolves from the endangered-species list - a move that would open up the animals to hunting in the Northern Rockies for the first time in decades - couldn't come soon enough.

Petrich has seen fresh wolf tracks almost every morning this fall - close enough to threaten his cattle.

"I believe that any wolf on any given night, if there happens to be a calf there, they will kill it," ...

Just 12 years since the wolves were reintroduced into Yellowstone National Park ... federal officials say the sharp rise in the wolf population in the region justifies removing them from the endangered species list.

It took $24 million of federal funds and more than two decades to bring wolves back ...

After years of debate, an initial 66 wolves were transplanted into the park from Canada beginning in 1995. Now, an estimated 1,545 roam Idaho, Montana and Wyoming - more than enough, federal official say, to justify removing them from the endangered-species list.

"The more of something you have, the less valuable each individual piece becomes," said Ed Bangs, the Fish and Wildlife Service's wolf recovery project leader. "If you have more wolves than you have now, it's really going to start causing a lot of problems."

David Mech, a University of Minnesota researcher considered one of the world's leading experts on wolf behavior, predicted populations in the Northern Rockies could hold steady or keep expanding, even with hunting permitted...

Since reintroduction, wolf numbers have increased 20 percent to 30 percent a year as the animals thrived in a habitat flush with elk, moose and other prey. Even where entire packs were taken out to curb livestock kills, new packs have quickly filled the gap.

(Excerpt) Read more at billingsgazette.net ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Idaho; US: Montana; US: Oregon; US: Washington; US: Wyoming
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To: glorgau; SunkenCiv; jazusamo; JB in Whitefish; Issaquahking; Calpernia; maine-iac7; proud_yank

This is nothing like leaving a couple of fifties sitting on the front seat in a car in Chicago.


21 posted on 11/24/2007 7:43:52 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Myrddin

The US Fish & Wildlife Service released these Canadian wolves in Yellowstone NP, tied all their money to Yellowstone...knowing that the wolves would harass several other states.

Sounds like the beaurocrazies do their management from their desks.


22 posted on 11/24/2007 7:47:14 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Alas Babylon!

#14 must be a picture of female pups with one young male. I doubt any of them weigh close to 100.


23 posted on 11/24/2007 7:52:18 PM PST by B4Ranch (( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share." ))
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To: george76

Right on, George, but to the clueless it seems it is.


24 posted on 11/24/2007 8:12:01 PM PST by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: glorgau
Ranchers won’t be able to just let their “meals on hoof” just wander around without keeping an eye on them. I’m all broken up about that.

Boo Hoo, they might have to spend some of that 90 Billion dollars in subsidizes they get on a few Irish wolf hounds to guard their cows that are grazing on federal land the taxpayer are paying for.

25 posted on 11/24/2007 8:14:14 PM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: B4Ranch
I have an English Mastiff that weighs in at a little over 175 lbs. I wouldn’t give a pack of wolves two seconds of survival if they ever attack his favorite couch.
26 posted on 11/24/2007 8:33:16 PM PST by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: IrishCatholic

Eight, ten or twelve to one. Must be quite the killer dog you have.


27 posted on 11/24/2007 8:36:50 PM PST by B4Ranch (( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share." ))
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To: george76

There are various breeds of large dogs:Kuvas, Maremma, Pyrennes sheep dogs,that are raised with the sheep, consider them their pack, and run off predators [the dogs are generally white, or cream colored. Spanish mastiffs do the same thing, although they look nothing like sheep.

As for the wolves, there’s a large population in Michigan and Minnesota, largely in and among farms in the latter. And while there is stock predation, it is surprisingly low, considering the number of wolves estimated to be in the area. Must be something about that western air that causes them to kill all those cattle....


28 posted on 11/24/2007 9:33:30 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: george76

“If you have more wolves than you have now, it’s really going to start causing a lot of problems.”

They are already killing off the herds of elk in Yellowstone and National Teton area.


29 posted on 11/24/2007 9:34:38 PM PST by garylmoore (Faith is the assurance of things unseen.)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

Defenders of Wildlife has been paying ranchers for lost livestock, when proven to be a wolf kill for years. And as I recall, wolves that kill livestock are subject to execution.


30 posted on 11/24/2007 9:35:36 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: B4Ranch

HERE is a picture... the Irish Wolfhound on all fours has a head that is almost even with the lady handler’s shoulder!

http://www.windhundwelt.de/images/!!irish-wolfhound-095.jpg


31 posted on 11/24/2007 9:43:04 PM PST by muffaletaman
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To: B4Ranch

Borzoi, or Russian Wolfhounds, hunted in packs. They would run a wolf down, grab it by it’s neck and shake it. They usually worked in teams of two when taking out a wolf.


32 posted on 11/24/2007 9:44:56 PM PST by SatinDoll
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To: muffaletaman

Wow! What a gorgeous Irish Wolfhound.


33 posted on 11/24/2007 9:48:11 PM PST by SatinDoll
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To: george76

For the life of me, I don’t understand why ranchers ranch cattle instead of Buffalo. I only buy and eat buffalo meat. It tastes better than beef, is lower in cholesterol and saturated fats, and buffalo can protect their own against wolves, as well as being better able to withstand climatic conditions in the west.


34 posted on 11/24/2007 10:00:13 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: SatinDoll

Wolves that I have seen from the air in Northern Canada were in packs of 8, 10 and 12.


35 posted on 11/24/2007 10:03:19 PM PST by B4Ranch (( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share." ))
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To: B4Ranch

The Russians used wolf hounds in organized hunts while on horseback. I’m not sure whether the ferocity of Borzoi is even still intact. But a book written in the past five years by a German dog expert said quite bluntly that a Borzoi in kill mode was terrifying to watch, and that this breed wasn’t recommended for people with small children, cats, or dogs smaller than itself.

And Borzoi, bred from Greyhounds, can out run wolves.


36 posted on 11/24/2007 10:27:30 PM PST by SatinDoll
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To: PzLdr

Good. I have no romantic ideals when it comes to competing predators. Folks that want wolves can import them into their city parks, and deal with them.


37 posted on 11/24/2007 11:03:29 PM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: glorgau

Do you always make stupid comments or is it just on Saturdays?


38 posted on 11/24/2007 11:04:23 PM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: ZULU

For the life of me, I don’t understand why ranchers ranch cattle instead of Buffalo.

Your comments are spot on. Buffalo, though, is pricey. We bought buffalo roast instead of turkey this year. The cost was about $7.50 per pound. For that reason it can never compete with beef, even though the taste is better than beef.

If you know of a supplier that sells it for less than that, let me know.


39 posted on 11/25/2007 5:51:00 AM PST by sergeantdave (The majority of Michigan voters are that stupid and the condition is incipient and growing.)
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To: qam1

Six Wolves kill 650 pound yearling steer

By PERRY BACKUS
Montana Standard

ENNIS – Jim Nelson nearly had wolves at his doorstep Tuesday morning.

When feeding cattle in a nearby pasture in the Bear Creek area of the Madison Valley, Nelson was surprised to see six gray wolves feeding on a 650-pound yearling steer.

“He was so close that he could have thrown a baseball at them,” said his stepdaughter, Bennie Clark.

Clark said three houses are located within about 200 yards of the kill site.

“The kill was right in the center of all three,” she said.

That marked the fourth confirmed wolf kill in the Madison Valley in less than a week .

“We’re not moneyed people who can just absorb this kind of loss,” said Clark. She and her husband, Gary, owned the yearling that was killed. “This has a huge impact on us ... we’ve told Ed (Bangs) that we have to live here and want to make this work. Now we’re begging for help.”


40 posted on 11/25/2007 8:05:43 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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