Skip to comments.The Nazis Were Marxists
Posted on 11/25/2007 11:50:06 AM PST by ECM
The Nazis were Marxists, no matter what our tainted academia and corrupt media wishes us to believe. Nazis, Bolsheviks, the Ku Klux Klan, Maoists, radical Islam and Facists -- all are on the Left, something that should be increasingly apparent to decent, honorable people in our times. The Big Lie which places Nazis on some mythical Far Right was created specifically so that there would be a bogeyman manacled on the wrists of those who wish us to move "too far" in the direction of Ronald Reagan or Barry Goldwater.
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The Lefties try to paint Conservatives with the "Nazi" stripe, but under closer inspection it washes off pretty well and sticks on them instead.
Hillary == Nazi.
Call them whatever else you will...both were and are repressive, ignore individual unalianebale rights, are totalitarian and lead to genocide...but they also differ in the finer points of how to implement their totalitarian regimes.
“Call them whatever else you will...both were and are repressive, ignore individual unalianebale rights, are totalitarian and lead to genocide...but they also differ in the finer points of how to implement their totalitarian regimes.”
Only thing was he publicly protested the US going to war against Nazi Germany until Hitler betrayed his beloved Uncle Joe Stalin. It was only AFTER 12/7/1941 that put the slogan on his guitar.
And his guitar never did kill a damn Fascist.
Nazi’s were Marxists? Yeah, right. That’s why Hitler invaded Russia. Hitler had nothing but contempt for Marxists.
I would add Islamo-ism to the above quote.
Joseph Goebbels used Communist class struggle propaganda in order to recruit members of trade unions to the Nazi Party.
The Communists were, as ever, absolutist totalitarians; the Nazis were surely strongly authoritarian, but not quite totalitarian. Religions, for example (except Judaism, of course), were neither banned outright nor particularly persecuted, save when a cleric would speak out against Nazism.
on;y = only
Aside from megalomania, Hitler invaded Russia because he loathed the Slavs at least as much as the Jews. The fact that Russia was Communist then was simply a bonus, as far as Addled Adolph was concerned.
My eighth grade history teacher told us that the NAZIs were the worst because they killed Jews. He said Pol Pot, Mao nor Stalin discriminated against their victims.
I know, I know...
From my FR home page:
Although our modern socialists’ promise of greater freedom is genuine and sincere, in recent years observer after observer has been impressed by the unforeseen consequences of socialism, the extraordinary similarity in many respects of the conditions under “communism” and “fascism.” As the writer Peter Drucker expressed it in 1939, “the complete collapse of the belief in the attainability of freedom and equality through Marxism has forced Russia to travel the same road toward a totalitarian society of un-freedom and inequality which Germany has been following. Not that communism and fascism are essentially the same. Fascism is the stage reached after communism has proved an illusion, and it has proved as much an illusion in Russia as in pre-Hitler Germany.”
No less significant is the intellectual outlook of the rank and file in the communist and fascist movements in Germany before 1933. The relative ease with which a young communist could be converted into a Nazi or vice versa was well known, best of all to the propagandists of the two parties. The communists and Nazis clashed more frequently with each other than with other parties simply because they competed for the same type of mind and reserved for each other the hatred of the heretic. Their practice showed how closely they are related. To both, the real enemy, the man with whom they had nothing in common, was the liberal of the old type. While to the Nazi the communist and to the communist the Nazi, and to both the socialist, are potential recruits made of the right timber, they both know that there can be no compromise between them and those who really believe in individual freedom.
— F.A. Hayek, The Road to Serfdom
Left socialists believed in a world movement to communism, Stalin. Right socialists, Hitler, El Duce in local State socialism, hence all communist(Statist)/socialist/liberal/Conservative movements are Right Wing, bad explanation, mind burner.
It’s easier for a Communist country to flip and become a Fascist one instead of a Democracy. This is what I think has happened in China and Russia.
Like Sunnis have contempt for Shiites. Which doesn't change the fact that they are just different flavors of Muslim
Hitler got lots of recruits from the Communist Party. And let's not forget the Hitler-Stalin pact, which STARTED WW2 with the invasion of Poland by Germany and Russia.
The main difference between Hitler and Stalin was that they each wanted themselves to be in charge. And so there was only room enough in the world for one of them
Both National Socialism and Stalinism had a world-view where the individual is the property of the State, to be used for the attainment of the goals of the State, as envisioned by the Leader of the State
See my previous post.
I will note that Hayek was an economist who was an on-the-scene contemporaneous observer of events in the 1920s and 1930s.
Although I agree that the Nazi’s were leftist, I think it is not accurate to say they were Marxists. A more accurate description would be to say they were heretics of the Marxists. Marx preached the creation of the *international* collective, whereas Hitler and Mussolini wanted a *national* (Aryan/Italian) collectives. The rejection of the international aspect of leftism was anathema to the older communists which is why they hated the fascists so much. For more details on this point, read HEAVEN ON EARTH: THE RISE AND FALL OF SOCIALISM by Joshua Muravchik.
On the contrary many Christians could and did find themselves interned very quickly for teaching out of the old testament, or for teaching of Herod's evil in the Christmas story. Religion was tolerated only as long as they accepted government approved doctrines. Read about Dietrich Bonhoffer, among many, many people whose shortened lives disprove your statement
PS: They were anti-Christian as well.
Opate of the people.
Islamists are supremacists in ideology too. They see themselves as a master race and kufir as subhuman and as such it is acceptable to enslave them or kill them as you would a cow.
I see we are both fans of Hayek
These days it seems as if 'Fascist' is simply used as an epithet. Russia is becoming (has become?) an authoritarian state w/the trappings of a democratic one. It is not (yet) a Fascist state. Nor is it clear to me why Putin wants to move in this direction, although he certainly has been doing so. Cui bono? I can't see it.
Hitler's aversion to Old Testament teaching was part and parcel of his infamous anti-Semitism.
“They split various countries and only went to war when both
wanted the same country!”
Until now, Hollywoods political history has been dominated by a steady stream of films and memoirs decrying the nightmare of the Red Scare. But in Red Star over Hollywood, Ronald and Allis Radosh show that the real drama of that era lay in the story of the movie stars, directors and especially screenwriters who joined the Communist Party or traveled in its orbit, and made the Party the focus of their political and social lives. The authors also show the Partys attempts at influencing filmmaking; their greatest achievement being the film Mission to Moscow, which justified Stalins great purge trials.
Using material from the papers of Dalton Trumbo, Dore Schary, Albert Maltz, Melvyn Douglas and the FBIs Hollywood file, and from the newly released testimony of formerly closed HUAC Executive Session hearings, the authors trace the growth of the Communist Party from the 1930s, when many notables toured the Soviet Union and came back converted, through the 1950s when Party members were held to account for their allegiance to another country.
The Radoshes most controversial discovery is that during the investigations of the House Committee on Un-American Activities, the Hollywood Reds themselves were beset by doubts and disagreements about their disloyalty to America, and their own treatment by the Communist Party. Their allegiance to the Communist Party and its ever changing line, combined with their outlandish behavior before HUAC, turned old liberal allies against them, and left them vulnerable to the eventual blacklist.
One case study, of actor John Garfield, looks at the strategy he tried to employ to avoid the blacklist, while working to keep the support of both the studios and the Hollywood Left. Acting more as an opportunist than an idealist, Garfield moved to espouse a strong anti-Communism, while at the same time avoiding naming the names of his old radical associates, by pretending to only have been a dupe. In constant agony, his evasions satisfied no one, and led to his fatal heart attack shortly before he as to again appear before HUAC, where he would have finally had to make a decision as to where he actually stood.
Based on a new and extensive interview with writer Budd Schulberg, Red Star over Hollywood opens up the Party cells and discussion groups that defined Hollywood radicalism. Ronald and Allis Radosh also bring their story into the present, describing how the men and women who agitated for Communism a half-century ago created a legacy used by Jane Fonda and others of the Hollywood Left of the 1960s, and by celebrities such as Tim Robbins, Susan Sarandon, Richard Dreyfuss and Sean Penn in the turbulent filmland politics of today.
Nice column. Thank you for posting it.
There is no known antidote to envy more effective than the timeless advice to not do it. The Democrats are currently flaming the fire of envy unchecked. They are blatantly summoning the demons from hell. This will not have a happy ending.
It’s worth noting that Orwell’s Homage to Catalonia documents his nearly getting caught up in a purge by the Stalinist Leftists in Spain, while escaping from the country, because he had been fighting against the Spanish nationalists / Fascists with a different Marxist faction. Despite being in the middle of a full-blown civil war, the Leftists were still infighting among themselves in a deadly way.
I have never really understood the big difference between these systems, all of them oppress their people and they all seem to revel in kicking in your doors and telling you how to live.
Yes, a huge fan here.
There are differences — to confuse them is to misread history.
The Hayek quote in #19 really boils it down to its essence, for me.
The differences were superficial and ideological. Practically Stalinism and Nazism were practically identical. Stalin himself broke with the “International” Socialism (Trotsky) and became a “National Communist”. Nazism in essence is Socialism crossed with Nationalism and Racism (which lacks in international communist ideology(. The methods, the rethoric (the one says class, the other says race), the goals and the cost in human lives were identical.
I definately overused “basically” in my above post. LOL!
So who is that?
I would like someone smarter than me to explain why the nazis hated communist russia if nazi-ism is the same thing as communism.
What embarrassing sophistry!
You are correct. They were the national socialists. The communist are international socialists.
Germany was very militaristic and nationalistic. They were still proud about Germany having finally become a nation in 1870 and were unwilling to espouse a cooperative "world government". They felt the German race was superior and wanted to run their state (and other nations they conquered) along those lines.
Russia was "one-world government" minded. They wanted an international brotherhood of workers to rise up and defeat all foes. They leaned more toward an intellectual elite to run their program than a forceful, military cabal like Germany.
These are some of the major differences as I see them. Perhaps someone else can point out others, or point out where I might be incorrect.