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The Nazis Were Marxists
American Thinker ^ | November 25, 2007 | Bruce Walker

Posted on 11/25/2007 11:50:06 AM PST by ECM

The Nazis were Marxists, no matter what our tainted academia and corrupt media wishes us to believe. Nazis, Bolsheviks, the Ku Klux Klan, Maoists, radical Islam and Facists -- all are on the Left, something that should be increasingly apparent to decent, honorable people in our times. The Big Lie which places Nazis on some mythical Far Right was created specifically so that there would be a bogeyman manacled on the wrists of those who wish us to move "too far" in the direction of Ronald Reagan or Barry Goldwater.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: cpusa; hitler; marxists; nazi; socialism; socialists; totalitariansim
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1 posted on 11/25/2007 11:50:07 AM PST by ECM
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To: ECM
They are all collectivists.

The Lefties try to paint Conservatives with the "Nazi" stripe, but under closer inspection it washes off pretty well and sticks on them instead.

Hillary == Nazi.

2 posted on 11/25/2007 11:51:59 AM PST by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: ECM

hmmm....


3 posted on 11/25/2007 11:52:08 AM PST by brivette
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To: ECM
The MSM and the PC schoolbooks of today will never, ever mention that "Nazi" is a shortened form of the real name: National Socialist Workers Party.
4 posted on 11/25/2007 11:55:33 AM PST by FormerACLUmember (“If a tax cut increases government revenues, you haven’t cut taxes enough.” –Milton Friedman)
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To: ECM
National Socialism in Hitler's Germany was NOT Marxism. What is was was abject socialism with a fascist twist. What it was was totalitariansim, which it had/has in common with most all marxist and especially communist states. But Marxism and Nazism differed in ideology, particularly economically.

Call them whatever else you will...both were and are repressive, ignore individual unalianebale rights, are totalitarian and lead to genocide...but they also differ in the finer points of how to implement their totalitarian regimes.

5 posted on 11/25/2007 11:55:38 AM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head

“Call them whatever else you will...both were and are repressive, ignore individual unalianebale rights, are totalitarian and lead to genocide...but they also differ in the finer points of how to implement their totalitarian regimes.”

Bump!


6 posted on 11/25/2007 11:58:20 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: ECM
This commie's slogan helped to spread the myth:


Only thing was he publicly protested the US going to war against Nazi Germany until Hitler betrayed his beloved Uncle Joe Stalin. It was only AFTER 12/7/1941 that put the slogan on his guitar.

And his guitar never did kill a damn Fascist.

7 posted on 11/25/2007 12:00:23 PM PST by weegee (End the Bush-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton-Clinton/Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton Oligarchy 1980-2012)
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To: ECM

Nazi’s were Marxists? Yeah, right. That’s why Hitler invaded Russia. Hitler had nothing but contempt for Marxists.


9 posted on 11/25/2007 12:08:10 PM PST by DaGman
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To: ECM
The only important difference between Nazi-ism, Fascism,
Communism, Socialism and Liberalism is the spelling, and
that the last group hasn’t got the brains to figure it out.
- Bill Vance

I would add Islamo-ism to the above quote.

10 posted on 11/25/2007 12:08:22 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Rudy and Romney voters send a self-abused stomped elephant to the DRNC.)
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To: ECM

Joseph Goebbels used Communist class struggle propaganda in order to recruit members of trade unions to the Nazi Party.


11 posted on 11/25/2007 12:08:51 PM PST by camerakid400
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To: ECM
Nazism, Fascism, Socialism and Communism are all kissin’ cousins.
12 posted on 11/25/2007 12:11:50 PM PST by Lancer_N3502A
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To: Jeff Head
Good point. It was, after all, the German Communists who popularised the left-right dichotomy between themselves and the NSDAP in the 1920s and 1930s. NSDAP, being fiercely nationalistic and allowing the continued ownership of some types of private property -- both anathema to the Communists -- was pinned with the label 'rightist', later to become 'right-wing'. The Nazis and Communists had so much in common that the Reds chose this dichotomy as the principal means of distinguishing themselves from the Nazis. Poor choice, at least in terms of results; the wonder is that this type of labelling has persisted in the decades since.

The Communists were, as ever, absolutist totalitarians; the Nazis were surely strongly authoritarian, but not quite totalitarian. Religions, for example (except Judaism, of course), were neither banned outright nor particularly persecuted, save when a cleric would speak out against Nazism.

13 posted on 11/25/2007 12:12:44 PM PST by SAJ
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To: DaGman
Stalin allowed Hitler to build weapons factories in Russian
territory to get by the weapons limitation signed by Germany
after WWI.
They split various countries and on;y went to war when both
wanted the same country!
14 posted on 11/25/2007 12:14:41 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Rudy and Romney voters send a self-abused stomped elephant to the DRNC.)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

on;y = only


15 posted on 11/25/2007 12:15:27 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Rudy and Romney voters send a self-abused stomped elephant to the DRNC.)
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To: FormerACLUmember
They are all bad, but the Nazis weren't commies because of what the NSDAP stood for. One of the things they did, that orwell reminds us of, is manipulate language, sometimes meaning the opposite. Did work really make them free?
16 posted on 11/25/2007 12:17:58 PM PST by bencarter
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To: DaGman
Any time in history that there have been two powerful socialistic groups, whether political parties or adjacent nations, they have fought each other first, and only when one became predominant turned their attention to vanquishing the non-socialists. Note carefully the first group that was the object of Hitlerian persecuation after January 1933.

Aside from megalomania, Hitler invaded Russia because he loathed the Slavs at least as much as the Jews. The fact that Russia was Communist then was simply a bonus, as far as Addled Adolph was concerned.

17 posted on 11/25/2007 12:17:58 PM PST by SAJ
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

My eighth grade history teacher told us that the NAZIs were the worst because they killed Jews. He said Pol Pot, Mao nor Stalin discriminated against their victims.

I know, I know...


18 posted on 11/25/2007 12:19:10 PM PST by Comparative Advantage
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To: ECM

From my FR home page:

Although our modern socialists’ promise of greater freedom is genuine and sincere, in recent years observer after observer has been impressed by the unforeseen consequences of socialism, the extraordinary similarity in many respects of the conditions under “communism” and “fascism.” As the writer Peter Drucker expressed it in 1939, “the complete collapse of the belief in the attainability of freedom and equality through Marxism has forced Russia to travel the same road toward a totalitarian society of un-freedom and inequality which Germany has been following. Not that communism and fascism are essentially the same. Fascism is the stage reached after communism has proved an illusion, and it has proved as much an illusion in Russia as in pre-Hitler Germany.”

No less significant is the intellectual outlook of the rank and file in the communist and fascist movements in Germany before 1933. The relative ease with which a young communist could be converted into a Nazi or vice versa was well known, best of all to the propagandists of the two parties. The communists and Nazis clashed more frequently with each other than with other parties simply because they competed for the same type of mind and reserved for each other the hatred of the heretic. Their practice showed how closely they are related. To both, the real enemy, the man with whom they had nothing in common, was the liberal of the old type. While to the Nazi the communist and to the communist the Nazi, and to both the socialist, are potential recruits made of the right timber, they both know that there can be no compromise between them and those who really believe in individual freedom.

— F.A. Hayek, The Road to Serfdom


19 posted on 11/25/2007 12:19:43 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: ECM
Trying to keep track of socialist doctrinal nit picking is mind numbing. Lenin wrote a tract Condemning "Socialism In One Country". That set the mark.

Left socialists believed in a world movement to communism, Stalin. Right socialists, Hitler, El Duce in local State socialism, hence all communist(Statist)/socialist/liberal/Conservative movements are Right Wing, bad explanation, mind burner.

20 posted on 11/25/2007 12:20:31 PM PST by Little Bill (Welcome to the Newly Socialist State of New Hampshire)
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To: SAJ

It’s easier for a Communist country to flip and become a Fascist one instead of a Democracy. This is what I think has happened in China and Russia.


21 posted on 11/25/2007 12:20:52 PM PST by chopperman
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To: DaGman
Nazi’s were Marxists? Yeah, right. That’s why Hitler invaded Russia. Hitler had nothing but contempt for Marxists.

Like Sunnis have contempt for Shiites. Which doesn't change the fact that they are just different flavors of Muslim

Hitler got lots of recruits from the Communist Party. And let's not forget the Hitler-Stalin pact, which STARTED WW2 with the invasion of Poland by Germany and Russia.

The main difference between Hitler and Stalin was that they each wanted themselves to be in charge. And so there was only room enough in the world for one of them

Both National Socialism and Stalinism had a world-view where the individual is the property of the State, to be used for the attainment of the goals of the State, as envisioned by the Leader of the State

22 posted on 11/25/2007 12:21:07 PM PST by PapaBear3625
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To: DaGman

See my previous post.

I will note that Hayek was an economist who was an on-the-scene contemporaneous observer of events in the 1920s and 1930s.


23 posted on 11/25/2007 12:21:37 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: ECM

Although I agree that the Nazi’s were leftist, I think it is not accurate to say they were Marxists. A more accurate description would be to say they were heretics of the Marxists. Marx preached the creation of the *international* collective, whereas Hitler and Mussolini wanted a *national* (Aryan/Italian) collectives. The rejection of the international aspect of leftism was anathema to the older communists which is why they hated the fascists so much. For more details on this point, read HEAVEN ON EARTH: THE RISE AND FALL OF SOCIALISM by Joshua Muravchik.


24 posted on 11/25/2007 12:21:54 PM PST by Madam Theophilus
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To: PapaBear3625

GMTA


25 posted on 11/25/2007 12:22:12 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: SAJ
The Communists were, as ever, absolutist totalitarians; the Nazis were surely strongly authoritarian, but not quite totalitarian. Religions, for example (except Judaism, of course), were neither banned outright nor particularly persecuted, save when a cleric would speak out against Nazism.

On the contrary many Christians could and did find themselves interned very quickly for teaching out of the old testament, or for teaching of Herod's evil in the Christmas story. Religion was tolerated only as long as they accepted government approved doctrines. Read about Dietrich Bonhoffer, among many, many people whose shortened lives disprove your statement

26 posted on 11/25/2007 12:23:05 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck is the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aren't going.)
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To: ECM

PS: They were anti-Christian as well.


27 posted on 11/25/2007 12:23:57 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake but Accurate, Experts Say)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Opate of the people.


28 posted on 11/25/2007 12:25:25 PM PST by Little Bill (Welcome to the Newly Socialist State of New Hampshire)
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To: Comparative Advantage

Islamists are supremacists in ideology too. They see themselves as a master race and kufir as subhuman and as such it is acceptable to enslave them or kill them as you would a cow.


29 posted on 11/25/2007 12:26:05 PM PST by weegee (End the Bush-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton-Clinton/Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton Oligarchy 1980-2012)
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To: FreedomPoster

I see we are both fans of Hayek


30 posted on 11/25/2007 12:27:07 PM PST by PapaBear3625
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To: chopperman
'Fascist', in the proper usage, describes a politico-economic system wherein the government effectively controls the means of production, but does not own them outright. There is still room for private property, and it is allowed -- even to some extent encouraged -- very much unlike in a Communist system.

These days it seems as if 'Fascist' is simply used as an epithet. Russia is becoming (has become?) an authoritarian state w/the trappings of a democratic one. It is not (yet) a Fascist state. Nor is it clear to me why Putin wants to move in this direction, although he certainly has been doing so. Cui bono? I can't see it.

31 posted on 11/25/2007 12:28:08 PM PST by SAJ
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To: MrEdd
We're saying the same thing, really. You're just saying it better. Religious persecution, per se, was not part of Hitlerian doctrine, but any effective doctrinal differences in clerics were absolutely not tolerated.

Hitler's aversion to Old Testament teaching was part and parcel of his infamous anti-Semitism.

32 posted on 11/25/2007 12:30:48 PM PST by SAJ
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

“They split various countries and only went to war when both
wanted the same country!”

Russia?


33 posted on 11/25/2007 12:38:36 PM PST by UKTory
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To: weegee

Until now, Hollywood’s political history has been dominated by a steady stream of films and memoirs decrying the “nightmare” of the Red Scare. But in Red Star over Hollywood, Ronald and Allis Radosh show that the real drama of that era lay in the story of the movie stars, directors and especially screenwriters who joined the Communist Party or traveled in its orbit, and made the Party the focus of their political and social lives. The authors also show the Party’s attempts at influencing filmmaking; their greatest achievement being the film “Mission to Moscow,” which justified Stalin’s great purge trials.

Using material from the papers of Dalton Trumbo, Dore Schary, Albert Maltz, Melvyn Douglas and the FBI’s Hollywood file, and from the newly released testimony of formerly closed HUAC Executive Session hearings, the authors trace the growth of the Communist Party from the 1930s, when many notables toured the Soviet Union and came back converted, through the 1950s when Party members were held to account for their allegiance to another country.

The Radoshes’ most controversial discovery is that during the investigations of the House Committee on Un-American Activities, the Hollywood Reds themselves were beset by doubts and disagreements about their disloyalty to America, and their own treatment by the Communist Party. Their allegiance to the Communist Party and its ever changing line, combined with their outlandish behavior before HUAC, turned old liberal allies against them, and left them vulnerable to the eventual blacklist.

One case study, of actor John Garfield, looks at the strategy he tried to employ to avoid the blacklist, while working to keep the support of both the studios and the Hollywood Left. Acting more as an opportunist than an idealist, Garfield moved to espouse a strong anti-Communism, while at the same time avoiding naming the names of his old radical associates, by pretending to only have been a dupe. In constant agony, his evasions satisfied no one, and led to his fatal heart attack shortly before he as to again appear before HUAC, where he would have finally had to make a decision as to where he actually stood.

Based on a new and extensive interview with writer Budd Schulberg, Red Star over Hollywood opens up the Party cells and discussion groups that defined Hollywood radicalism. Ronald and Allis Radosh also bring their story into the present, describing how the men and women who agitated for Communism a half-century ago created a legacy used by Jane Fonda and others of the Hollywood Left of the 1960s, and by celebrities such as Tim Robbins, Susan Sarandon, Richard Dreyfuss and Sean Penn in the turbulent filmland politics of today.

34 posted on 11/25/2007 12:40:36 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: ECM

Nice column. Thank you for posting it.


35 posted on 11/25/2007 12:43:30 PM PST by syriacus (30,000 Americans died in 30 months in Korea under Truman, to RE-WIN SK's freedom.)
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To: Madam Theophilus
Leftism should be renamed envyism. The Nazis were far left in that they strongly envied their neighbors land, private businesses, and Jews. This built to such a strong level that war resulted. In fact all war is rooted in envy. Everyone knows the Nazis were evil but few recognize the source of that evil: the capital sin of envy.

There is no known antidote to envy more effective than the timeless advice to not do it. The Democrats are currently flaming the fire of envy unchecked. They are blatantly summoning the demons from hell. This will not have a happy ending.

36 posted on 11/25/2007 12:46:17 PM PST by Reeses (Leftism is powered by the evil force of envy.)
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To: SAJ

It’s worth noting that Orwell’s Homage to Catalonia documents his nearly getting caught up in a purge by the Stalinist Leftists in Spain, while escaping from the country, because he had been fighting against the Spanish nationalists / Fascists with a different Marxist faction. Despite being in the middle of a full-blown civil war, the Leftists were still infighting among themselves in a deadly way.


37 posted on 11/25/2007 12:47:40 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: Lancer_N3502A
"Nazism, Fascism, Socialism and Communism are all kissin’ cousins."

I have never really understood the big difference between these systems, all of them oppress their people and they all seem to revel in kicking in your doors and telling you how to live.

38 posted on 11/25/2007 12:48:03 PM PST by boop (Who doesn't love poison pot pies?)
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To: PapaBear3625

Yes, a huge fan here.


39 posted on 11/25/2007 12:49:57 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: boop

There are differences — to confuse them is to misread history.


40 posted on 11/25/2007 12:52:53 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: boop

The Hayek quote in #19 really boils it down to its essence, for me.


41 posted on 11/25/2007 12:53:38 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: durasell

The differences were superficial and ideological. Practically Stalinism and Nazism were practically identical. Stalin himself broke with the “International” Socialism (Trotsky) and became a “National Communist”. Nazism in essence is Socialism crossed with Nationalism and Racism (which lacks in international communist ideology(. The methods, the rethoric (the one says class, the other says race), the goals and the cost in human lives were identical.


42 posted on 11/25/2007 12:59:37 PM PST by SolidWood ("I knew my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol.")
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To: SolidWood

I definately overused “basically” in my above post. LOL!


43 posted on 11/25/2007 1:00:43 PM PST by SolidWood ("I knew my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol.")
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To: weegee

So who is that?


44 posted on 11/25/2007 1:02:48 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: ECM

I would like someone smarter than me to explain why the nazis hated communist russia if nazi-ism is the same thing as communism.


45 posted on 11/25/2007 1:04:53 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: ECM

What embarrassing sophistry!


46 posted on 11/25/2007 1:06:36 PM PST by Petronski (Reject the liberal troika: romney, giuliani, mccain)
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To: FreedomPoster

Friedrich Hayek?


47 posted on 11/25/2007 1:11:54 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: ECM

bump


48 posted on 11/25/2007 1:15:37 PM PST by Bronzewound
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To: ECM

You are correct. They were the national socialists. The communist are international socialists.


49 posted on 11/25/2007 1:19:05 PM PST by sport
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To: mamelukesabre
Both were totalitarian with a few at the top running things rather than the people; the difference is in how they would accomplish their totalitarianism.

Germany was very militaristic and nationalistic. They were still proud about Germany having finally become a nation in 1870 and were unwilling to espouse a cooperative "world government". They felt the German race was superior and wanted to run their state (and other nations they conquered) along those lines.

Russia was "one-world government" minded. They wanted an international brotherhood of workers to rise up and defeat all foes. They leaned more toward an intellectual elite to run their program than a forceful, military cabal like Germany.

These are some of the major differences as I see them. Perhaps someone else can point out others, or point out where I might be incorrect.

50 posted on 11/25/2007 1:19:22 PM PST by what's up
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