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'Holiday tree' or 'Christmas tree' in State Capitol? [Madison, WI]
Capital Times ^ | 11-26-07 | Hannah Young

Posted on 11/26/2007 3:49:08 PM PST by SJackson

Another battle over separation of church and state may be on the horizon with a proposal scheduled to go in front of an Assembly committee Wednesday.

The issue? What to call the tree that sits in the State Capitol during the holiday season.

Currently the tree is referred to as a "holiday tree," but the resolution that will be brought to the Committee on State Affairs would rename it as the Wisconsin State Christmas Tree.

Michael Schoenfield, legislative aide to Rep. Marlin Schneider, D-Wisconsin Rapids, who is sponsoring the resolution, said the state should refer to the tree as a Christmas tree because that is what it is.

"A rose is a rose is a rose," Schoenfield said. "Whatever you call it, it is going to be a Christmas tree, so call it what it is."

The tree has been referred to as a holiday tree ever since 1985, according to the resolution. Schoenfield said Schneider brought up the idea of returning to the name Christmas tree because it symbolizes a part of many Wisconsin citizens' heritage.

Schoenfield said that for some, the name holiday tree may also be offensive.

"As a Jew, I have a problem calling it a holiday tree," Schoenfield said. "It's not my holiday."

According to Mike Westling of the state Department of Administration, the tree is not the only display put up in the Capitol to celebrate the holidays.

Westling said there will be a menorah on display Dec. 4-13, a Baptist Church holiday sign up Dec. 3-8 and an interfaith awareness display Dec. 10-14.

Schoenfield said he has not heard any opposition to the resolution so far, but also said he anticipates there will be somebody who has a problem with it.

Annie Laurie Gaylor, co-president of the Madison-based Freedom From Religion Foundation, said Schneider should withdraw the resolution and added that he needed a civics lesson.

"When you call it a Christmas tree, that's a celebration of Christmas, which is a Christian holiday," Gaylor said. "So what does the state of Wisconsin need with a Christmas tree?

"It is a proposal that shows ill will, and it isn't necessary," Gaylor said. "What does it say to the rest of us who aren't Christian if you call it a Christmas tree? Why is he forcing it to be a state-owned Christmas tree?

"It is just a tree, but when you put Christian in front of it, it becomes a symbol of the majority," Gaylor said.

The tree is being put up in the Capitol rotunda today.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: christmas; erasure; holidaybs; madison; revisionism; waronchristmas; waronchristmas2007; wisconsin

1 posted on 11/26/2007 3:49:11 PM PST by SJackson
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Common sense after over 2 decades. For your list?


2 posted on 11/26/2007 3:50:16 PM PST by SJackson (seems to me it is entirely proper to start a Zionist State around Jerusalem, T Roosevelt, neocon)
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"It is just a tree, but when you put Christian in front of it, it becomes a symbol of the majority," Gaylor said.

Then in the spirit of Socialism, call it "The People's Tree".

3 posted on 11/26/2007 3:50:54 PM PST by Old Sarge (This tagline in memory of FReeper 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub)
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To: SJackson

I suggest “Mohammed Tree”.


4 posted on 11/26/2007 3:51:54 PM PST by SIDENET (Hubba Hubba...)
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To: SJackson

Do they have a large menorah? What would they call it? The Holiday Menorah?..................


5 posted on 11/26/2007 3:51:59 PM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: SJackson

I’m really getting very tired of this nonsense.....How many more years are we going to have to keep up this fight, I’ll be damned if I’m going to give in to the “happy holiday” crowd, but man oh man, every year it starts a little bit earlier and it gets a little more ridiculous....WHERE/WHEN does it all end?


6 posted on 11/26/2007 3:53:01 PM PST by rockabyebaby (HEY JORGE, SHUT UP AND BUILD THE BLEEPING FENCE, ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.)
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To: rockabyebaby
I’m really getting very tired of this nonsense.....How many more years are we going to have to keep up this fight, I’ll be damned if I’m going to give in to the “happy holiday” crowd, but man oh man, every year it starts a little bit earlier and it gets a little more ridiculous....WHERE/WHEN does it all end?

Read the article, they went to Holiday Tree in 1985, now, after 22 years, there's a proposal to go back to Christmas Tree, because that's what it is.

7 posted on 11/26/2007 3:56:02 PM PST by SJackson (seems to me it is entirely proper to start a Zionist State around Jerusalem, T Roosevelt, neocon)
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To: rockabyebaby

“I’m really getting very tired of this nonsense.....How many more years are we going to have to keep up this fight, I’ll be damned if I’m going to give in to the “happy holiday” crowd, but man oh man, every year it starts a little bit earlier and it gets a little more ridiculous....WHERE/WHEN does it all end?”

Good question.


8 posted on 11/26/2007 3:56:18 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: rockabyebaby

The socialists want to eliminate every public sign of Christianity. As for the objection to the “majority,” by all means: no new law except by unanimous consent;


9 posted on 11/26/2007 3:57:17 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

See 7


10 posted on 11/26/2007 3:57:27 PM PST by SJackson (seems to me it is entirely proper to start a Zionist State around Jerusalem, T Roosevelt, neocon)
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To: SJackson

“Read the article, they went to Holiday Tree in 1985, now, after 22 years, there’s a proposal to go back to Christmas Tree, because that’s what it is”

Yep.....it is amazing when it is indeed a Christmas tree.


11 posted on 11/26/2007 3:57:35 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: rockabyebaby

Every year, yep - but be careful, part of their strategy is to whine incessantly to you give them what they want. That worked for my kids when they were younger, still does.


12 posted on 11/26/2007 3:57:39 PM PST by Baladas
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To: Red Badger
Do they have a large menorah? What would they call it? The Holiday Menorah?..................

Don't know if they have one

13 posted on 11/26/2007 3:58:50 PM PST by SJackson (seems to me it is entirely proper to start a Zionist State around Jerusalem, T Roosevelt, neocon)
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To: SJackson

These whole “holiday” arguments are so senseless and a waste of time and money.............except for lawyers................


14 posted on 11/26/2007 3:59:50 PM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: SJackson
Eat it, Liberals
15 posted on 11/26/2007 4:02:40 PM PST by wastedyears (One Marine vs. 550 consultants. Sounds like good odds to me.)
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To: SJackson

With issues like this, when you can’t call a Christmas tree a Christmas tree, then you may as well just put up a Festivus Pole. Maybe then everybody will be disgusted enough to return to calling decorations by their true name. One can only hope!


16 posted on 11/26/2007 4:04:57 PM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: Red Badger
Uh, no, those decorations MUST BE CALLED the “holiday star” or “holiday candelabra.”
17 posted on 11/26/2007 4:05:01 PM PST by Diplomat
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To: SJackson

I like Christmas trees and I’m Jewish. They look very nice next to our Chanukah bush.

Now, as for “The tree is being put up in the Capitol rotunda today,” I have another suggestion. Let’s shove it up Annie Laurie Gaylor, co-president of the Madison-based Freedom From Religion Foundation, put a light bulb in her mouth, and call her Rudolph Gaylor The Red-Nosed Holiday Tree.

Let her glow, let her glow, let her glow.

Wisconsin, it figures!


18 posted on 11/26/2007 4:05:57 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper (Madmax, the Grinning Reaper)
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To: SJackson
"Annie Laurie Gaylor, co-president of the Madison-based
Freedom From Religion Foundation"


if there was "truth in journalism"...
The Heckler's Veto Foundation To Erase History And Culture
19 posted on 11/26/2007 4:07:03 PM PST by VOA
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To: rockabyebaby

With something like this, the day people question it and start arguing about it, it’s already over. It’ll never be the same again. ( I feel a Roy Orbison song coming on )


20 posted on 11/26/2007 4:07:27 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: SJackson

I did read the article, thank you very much, I’m expressing MY OPINION about the HOLIDAY crowd, thank you for listening......like I SAID, I’m sick of this nonsense, it took TWENTY TWO YEARS of fighting to get them to revert back to Christmas tree..........so my question remains, WHEN/WHERE does it end?


21 posted on 11/26/2007 4:13:54 PM PST by rockabyebaby (HEY JORGE, SHUT UP AND BUILD THE BLEEPING FENCE, ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.)
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To: SJackson

SEE 21


22 posted on 11/26/2007 4:14:40 PM PST by rockabyebaby (HEY JORGE, SHUT UP AND BUILD THE BLEEPING FENCE, ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.)
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To: SJackson

I think they need to take the tree away from us for ‘The Common Good!’

It’s freedom OF Religion, not freedom FROM Religion!

When is Annie Laurie and her motley crew going to be investigated for financial fraud and tax evasion? Hopefully within my lifetime!


23 posted on 11/26/2007 4:25:16 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: rockabyebaby

Sorry, misunderstood. I suppose these things never end. I thought the proposal was a positive, but even if they rename it a Christmas tree, can’t believe this dates to 1985, there’ll be discussion in the future.


24 posted on 11/26/2007 4:26:19 PM PST by SJackson (seems to me it is entirely proper to start a Zionist State around Jerusalem, T Roosevelt, neocon)
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To: SJackson

My ‘Wisconsin Conservative Politics Ping List’ is defunct. No one seems interested, anymore. I’m not taking it personally. Maybe I’ll build a new one after the first of the year. :)


25 posted on 11/26/2007 4:26:39 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: SJackson
Westling said there will be a menorah on display...

Can't call it that. I prefer "holiday candelabra."

Annie Laurie Gaylor, co-president of the Madison-based Freedom From Religion Foundation...

There are catchphrases that tell you the user is attempting a power grab, and "freedom from" is one of them. "Freedom from fear," for example, tells you that the user is claiming the right to a veto on any of your activities she or he considers threatening. Anyone using "freedom from" wants something from you, usually your freedom.

26 posted on 11/26/2007 4:34:06 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Old Sarge

End the debate and get a Festivus Pole.


27 posted on 11/26/2007 4:40:47 PM PST by MichiganCheese (Pray for our nation's boys, our future will be determined by the kind of men we bring them up to be.)
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To: SJackson
Bill Susman Jazz Trio - Oh Christmas Tree
28 posted on 11/26/2007 4:58:09 PM PST by Buddy B (MSgt Retired-USAF)
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To: SJackson
The issue? What to call the tree that sits in the Wisconsin State Capitol during the holiday season.

Call it Brett Favre.

29 posted on 11/26/2007 5:32:22 PM PST by Texas Eagle (Could pacifists exist if there weren't people brave enough to go to war for their right to exist?)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Yes indeed, it is a Christmas tree. Why would they have it there if it wasn’t for Christmas? A holiday tree could be almost anything. I have never heard of a need to have a tree for any other holiday. None for Easter, none for Memorial Day, none for 4th of July. So why call it a “Holiday” tree. It is and always has been a CHRISTMAS tree and no group of whining, sniveling grinches is going to change my mind. Too bad if they don’t like that name. They just need to grow up and get a life.


30 posted on 11/26/2007 6:02:50 PM PST by TDA2
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To: TDA2

BUMP


31 posted on 11/26/2007 6:09:59 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: SJackson
I was born and raised in Wisconsin. I remember walking around the Capital Square and meeting and talking with Governor Lee Sherman Driefus. I remember when Madison was the number one city to live in and raise a family. In the late 60s and early 70s, it was taken over by the leftists and turned into a third world city with the influx of poor blacks from Mississippi and Louisiana!

Now, Wisconsin and Madison in particular has become the Zimbabwe of the USA.

32 posted on 11/26/2007 6:18:57 PM PST by Redleg Duke ("All gave some, and some gave all!")
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Sweetheart, I think you are the only conservative left in Wisconsin!


33 posted on 11/26/2007 6:21:19 PM PST by Redleg Duke ("All gave some, and some gave all!")
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To: Redleg Duke

And I’m not going down without a fight, Baby! ;)


34 posted on 11/26/2007 6:23:09 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: MichiganCheese

This is our GOVERNOR with his "Festivus Pole." (James Doyle, D, WI) I kid you not.

35 posted on 11/26/2007 6:26:05 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: SJackson

Who cares! Boy I wish this was the only issue we had to worry about. Man we have a war going on, an election very soon, abortions every minute and we worry about some stupid title. God I am so glad I am secure in my Christian Faith. I feel sorry for those who are not and need to be reminded about Jesus Christ.


36 posted on 11/26/2007 6:28:24 PM PST by napscoordinator
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I would expect nothing less from a “Red Arrow Babe”!


37 posted on 11/27/2007 3:52:21 AM PST by Redleg Duke ("All gave some, and some gave all!")
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

What a Dork!


38 posted on 11/27/2007 3:52:49 AM PST by Redleg Duke ("All gave some, and some gave all!")
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To: Redleg Duke

Thanks for remembering! :)


39 posted on 11/27/2007 7:18:10 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
How could I forget? Relatively few have had the priviledge of wearing the Red Arrow. I even have an unused one from World War I that I found in a shop on the California coast back in the 80's. I would like to pick up the dress and subdued ones from today to add to my collection.

When I was in the 32d, the insignia was just the Barred Red Arrow and a pain to sew on! Placing it on the rectangle sure makes it easier to sew on!

40 posted on 11/27/2007 7:46:30 AM PST by Redleg Duke ("All gave some, and some gave all!")
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To: SJackson

Oh, just let them put up the red crescent and get it over with.

That place sucks.


41 posted on 11/27/2007 7:51:44 AM PST by ryan71
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

There are a few conservatives left in Wisconsin.

I do remember when this came out.

Imagine the suggestions that were made on where our liberal governor could stick that festivus pole????


42 posted on 11/29/2007 7:53:12 AM PST by KCRW
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