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U.S. and Iraq to negotiate pact on long-term relations
International Herald Tribune ^ | November 26, 2007 | Thom Shanker and Cara Buckley

Posted on 11/26/2007 11:03:18 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

WASHINGTON: The White House announced Monday that it had reached a deal with the Iraqi government to negotiate a formal agreement defining long-term relations between the two nations, including the legal status of American military forces remaining in Iraq.

The "Declaration of Principles" signed Monday via video link by President George W. Bush and the Iraqi prime minister, Nuri Kamal al-Maliki, does not specify the eventual number of American troops nor the length of their deployment. That issue is certain to be central in the 2008 presidential campaign that will be under way as American and Iraqi negotiators work toward a July deadline on a treaty governing relations between the two countries.

But senior administration officials stressed the significance of the agreement signed Monday, saying that it was leading to a far more durable political, economic and security relationship than is possible under the current United Nations resolution, which serves as the foundation under international law for the American-led effort in Iraq.

(Excerpt) Read more at iht.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: almaliki; bush; iraq

1 posted on 11/26/2007 11:03:20 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: mdittmar; SandRat; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; Marine_Uncle; tobyhill; Allegra; ...

Excellent news!


2 posted on 11/26/2007 11:12:02 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Fred Nerks

fyi


3 posted on 11/26/2007 11:22:12 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

MOST EXCELLENT NEWS!


4 posted on 11/26/2007 11:23:09 PM PST by A. Morgan (Fred Thompsonís record is solid and he does not waffle. Fred for PREZ in 2008!)
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To: All
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In a statement released after the signing, Prime Minister Maliki praised the agreement and stressed the importance of maintaining a strong relationship between his country and the United States.

"It was built by the brave sacrifices made by both peoples for a democratic and free Iraq," he said.

5 posted on 11/26/2007 11:28:14 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: A. Morgan

I really like it....Harry and Nancy have some explaining to do....HEHEHE


6 posted on 11/26/2007 11:30:31 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Yes, excellent news. Let's keep the UN's steenking nose out of our deal with Iraq. I'm really interestsed in the details, as I've advocated keeping a quick-strike base there for a long time. It's centrally located in the heart of terrorist-spawning nations and we wouldn't have to deploy a whole lot of troops and equipment in case of a necessity for major surgery.

In addition, our presence there would have a blanketing effect on large terrorist operations in the area and we could create anti-terror training schools for troubled nations should they need assistance. Not only that, but I would hope that Iraq would offer a large enough area for such an operation without charge, considering the fact that our warriors sacrificed their lives and limbs to free the nation from such a tyrant.

And finally, if we were to pick up and leave, lock, stock and barrel, it would be the stupidest decision we could ever make for a host of reasons.

7 posted on 11/26/2007 11:32:17 PM PST by Eastbound
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Never make the MSM news.


8 posted on 11/26/2007 11:32:50 PM PST by Democrap (http://democrap.com --- We have a plan!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Fred Nerks; KlueLass; ...

Pomegranates are everywhere. There’s a limited-time pomegranate flavored 7Up (which is tasty, BTW), I’ve had some tasty pomegranate flavored Icebreaker mints... and yet, I saw pomegranates at the store yesterday at 2 for $5. Ever try to eat one of those? Better to get one of those cool one-arm bandit orange squeezers and tackle it that way. The juice is delicious, in fact, making a pomegranate ice cream smoothie is incomparable. And really good for you. ;’) Thanks E.


9 posted on 11/26/2007 11:35:04 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Sunday, November 18, 2007"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I bet they’ll have some of the longest face you’ve every seen when they hear this news.


10 posted on 11/26/2007 11:40:32 PM PST by A. Morgan (Fred Thompsonís record is solid and he does not waffle. Fred for PREZ in 2008!)
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To: SunkenCiv
OK:

Pomegranate Info

11 posted on 11/26/2007 11:40:41 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: A. Morgan

I hope so!


12 posted on 11/26/2007 11:41:21 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: A. Morgan

Not only have we won,....but we are NOT going home, for awhile!


13 posted on 11/26/2007 11:42:35 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Eastbound
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The United States also pledged to support Iraq's economic development and to provide financial and technical assistance. Significantly, the document committed the United States to support Iraq in receiving "preferential trading conditions," including joining the World Trade Organization and receiving most-favored-nation trading status with Washington.

14 posted on 11/26/2007 11:45:23 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: All
From the NY SUN:

Talks Are Set on Ending Battle of Iraq
Quiet Announcement Signals Start of U.S., Iraq Parley

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By NICHOLAS WAPSHOTT
Staff Reporter of the Sun
November 27, 2007 posted 11/26/07 11:25 pm EST

And so the Battle of Iraq is to be brought to an end, in T.S. Eliot's phrase, "not with a bang but a whimper."

With the eyes of the world focused on the Middle East peace talks in Annapolis, Md., President Bush's war tsar, Lieutenant General Douglas Lute, quietly announced that the American and Iraqi governments will start talks early next year to bring about an end to the allied occupation by the close of Mr. Bush's presidency.

The negotiations will bring to a formal conclusion the U.N. Chapter 7 Security Council involvement in the occupation and administration of Iraq, and are expected to reduce the number of American troops to about 50,000 troops permanently stationed there but largely confined to barracks, from the current 164,000 forces on active duty.

"The basic message here should be clear. Iraq is increasingly able to stand on its own. That's very good news. But it won't have to stand alone," General Lute yesterday told reporters in the White House.

Bringing the war to a close by the end of 2008 will ensure that the next president will face a fait accompli in Iraq, a fact that will further remove from the presidential election the Iraq war as an issue of contention.


15 posted on 11/27/2007 12:05:32 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Wow...President Bush is going to pull this off after all! Stay away from tall buildings in Democrat cities. Forcasts predict precipitation of deeply saddened liberals...
16 posted on 11/27/2007 1:45:32 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: SunkenCiv

give the pips to the RATS?

17 posted on 11/27/2007 2:14:38 AM PST by Fred Nerks (Fair dinkum!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The "Declaration of Principles" signed Monday via video link by President George W. Bush and the Iraqi prime minister, Nuri Kamal al-Maliki, does not specify the eventual number of American troops nor the length of their deployment...

hey, let's work out the minor details later...much much later...like in about twenty years sounds good to me!

And thanks for all the Good News pings!

18 posted on 11/27/2007 2:24:59 AM PST by Fred Nerks (Fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks

That’s an awful lot of pips... I like to think there aren’t that many RATS. :’D


19 posted on 11/27/2007 6:02:22 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Sunday, November 18, 2007"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Thanks E.


20 posted on 11/27/2007 6:03:17 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Sunday, November 18, 2007"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Fred Nerks

Any idea how your new guy is gonna react to this?


21 posted on 11/27/2007 9:00:01 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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From Flopping Ace:

The New Iraq "Security Arrangement"
Posted by Curt on November 26, 2007 at 10:21 AM

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We all knew that the left would be a bit upset once a deal was made to stay in Iraq indefinitely, as a partner, and as we do still in Japan and Germany some 60 years after the war:

Iraq's government, seeking protection against foreign threats and internal coups, will offer the U.S. a long-term troop presence in Iraq in return for U.S. security guarantees as part of a strategic partnership, two Iraqi officials said Monday.

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But the left will scream about something or another anyways.  If every single soldier had been sent back to the US they would have said that there were secret deals going on to ensure we are pulling the strings, because we are the puppetmasters you see?  Now when news comes that the Iraqi's want us around as partners for security, the left are wailing such sillyness as "staying was the plan all along."

Get it?  We went in for oil you see.....that's why we have such cheap gas now.

Sigh....

Bet that it may we still have 37,000 troops in South Korea for exactly the same reasons that the Iraqi's want us to stay in Iraq.  A tripwire against further aggression. 

Whether the future aggressor is North Korea, China or some other rogue country that isn't on the radar yet, countries want insurance.  And most feel that taking out that insurance with the United States is their best bet.  Hell, Germany no longer has fears of a USSR attack but we're still there. Why?  Because you never know when your gonna need military support.  And did you know that we have security relationships with over 100 countries worldwide?  No outcry from the left on those arrangements tho.


22 posted on 11/27/2007 11:00:53 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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More from the FA Blog:

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UPDATE

Get this headline from a lefty site:

War Czar: Permanent Iraq Bases Won't Require Senate Ratification
To their credit they paste the full quote from the General about this fact:
Q General, will the White House seek any congressional input on this?

GENERAL LUTE: In the course of negotiations like this, it's not -- it is typical that there will be a dialogue between congressional leaders at the negotiating table, which will be run out of the Department of State. We don't anticipate now that these negotiations will lead to the status of a formal treaty which would then bring us to formal negotiations or formal inputs from the Congress.

Q Is the purpose of avoiding the treaty avoiding congressional input?

GENERAL LUTE: No, as I said, we have about a hundred agreements similar to the one envisioned for the U.S. and Iraq already in place, and the vast majority of those are below the level of a treaty.
Again, no outcry about the one hundred similar agreements that were put in place without Senate ratification.  Shocker!

Other's Blogging:

23 posted on 11/27/2007 11:03:04 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Any idea how your new guy is gonna react to this?

No. He's been very tight-lipped about Iraq. I can't recall a single mention of the subject during his campaign for election. There was a general comment in the past few days that several hundred aussie troops would leave Iraq to be deployed in Afghanistan...but the majority would remain in Iraq. My general impression is the aussies have elected a Giant Smiley for their Prime Minister. He's a Diplomat. Full of empty rhetoric but he delivers it so well... There was one clear message for the muzzies in his acceptance speech however - he said Oz deserves to be protected from terrorism and our borders will be strongly protected. So...if the Left expects the doors to be opened to 'refugees' methinks they will be sorely dissappointed.

24 posted on 11/27/2007 2:34:07 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Fair dinkum!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
How 'bout that?

Ask an you shall receive. Looks good.

25 posted on 11/28/2007 11:50:48 PM PST by Eastbound
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To: Fred Nerks
he said Oz deserves to be protected from terrorism and our borders will be strongly protected.

Well that seems to be Good!

26 posted on 11/29/2007 9:42:27 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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