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If nothing else, Fred Thompson is unconventional in his campaign
The Newport News Daily Press ^ | November 27, 2007 | Peter Brown, Asst. Director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute

Posted on 11/27/2007 12:26:29 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Fred Thompson's presidential campaign has been unorthodox since Day 1, and his decision to grab the "third rail" of American politics with both hands is a clear indication that he really is a different kind of candidate.

Since agreeing to run, after a mild draft effort by conservatives looking to fill the void in the race for a candidate who shared their views and values, Thompson has pursued what can only be considered a nontraditional path.

He has eschewed the traditional 24/7 campaign run by his competitors and expected by the Washington-based mainstream news media, which has labeled him poorly prepared, lazy and lackluster.

Yet he runs second in many national polls of GOP voters and leads in parts of the South. Although in recent weeks his numbers have dropped.

Now, the former Tennessee senator turned actor is making reform of Social Security and Medicare — the kind of issues presidential candidates typically avoid like the plague — a major campaign topic as he seeks the Republican nomination.

Although some might consider his course courageous, the conventional wisdom, at least inside the Beltway, is that this is akin to committing political suicide. It will put a big, bright target on his back.

Some of his own congressional supporters are distancing themselves from his ideas. They are aware that since the national retirement program was enacted by Franklin D. Roosevelt 75 years ago, Democrats have successfully used any GOP attempt to change it to bash Republicans as taking food out of the mouths of the elderly.

And, it's likely that Thompson's GOP opponents will try to do the same this time, too. That's because when Thompson says "reform," he means making changes in the financing of those popular programs to ensure long-term fiscal solvency.(continued)

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: 401k; campaign; campaigning; election; electionpresident; elections; entitlements; federalist; fred; fredthompson; gop; ideas; issues; personalaccounts; polls; republicans; retirement; socialsecurity; thirdrail; thompson
One word: Courage.
1 posted on 11/27/2007 12:26:32 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think Thompson is in this to win. He has his own plan and he’s following it.

I don’t think he is lazy or unprepared at all. He strikes me as a crafty old chess player who is making moves in his own time, in his own way, but is precisely where he expects to be right now.

Whether it’s all going to work or not is another story.


2 posted on 11/27/2007 12:34:44 AM PST by Ronin (Bushed out!!! Another tragic victim of BDS.)
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To: Ronin

GO Fred GO!


3 posted on 11/27/2007 12:44:07 AM PST by A. Morgan (Fred Thompsonís record is solid and he does not waffle. Fred for PREZ in 2008!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Although some might consider his course courageous, the conventional wisdom, at least inside the Beltway, is that this is akin to committing political suicide. It will put a big, bright target on his back.

Which just goes to show that the punditry inside the Beltway isn't wise, after all.

4 posted on 11/27/2007 12:53:43 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

this is why Fred deserves our support


5 posted on 11/27/2007 1:01:44 AM PST by ari-freedom (I don't want Huckabee or Applebee...give me someone from Tennessee!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I would look at this as spend vs vote percentage. Fred has a VERY good ratio while Rudy has a poor ratio. Fred is “mostly” second (sometimes first, sometimes third) and has a spend rate of what Rudy does.

Fred also knows that many folks are tired of the contentious election cycle and want a break from politics. So he is going to take it slow and build up from there. Seems like a wise choice for me.


6 posted on 11/27/2007 2:28:43 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Fred is doing fine. This is the age of YouTube. Look at what Ron Paul has done. Old media just can not wrap it’s head around the Internet yet.


7 posted on 11/27/2007 3:57:25 AM PST by Leisler (RNC, RINO National Committee. Always was, always will be.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

8 posted on 11/27/2007 4:23:43 AM PST by LRS (It's time to put Hillary on the 3:10 to Yuma...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I admire his stand on reforming social security. I think young people should demand it. I hope he gets support from the 25 to 45 croud. Fred has the backbone to address a problem. Quite a contrast to Hillary. I’m sure what Fred has said after he speaks.


9 posted on 11/27/2007 4:36:28 AM PST by SWEETSUNNYSOUTH (Help stamp out liberalism!)
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To: SWEETSUNNYSOUTH
I’m sure what Fred has said after he speaks.

Really? I caught Fred on Fox News Sunday and I was left with the impression that he's just another mealy-mouthed, inside the beltway politician. The man spoke for nearly 15 minutes, almost uninterrupted, and didn't say squat. He spoke in broad generalities when responding to specific questions and for the most part did not connect his thoughts very well at all. I was very, very disappointed with what I heard. (and I'm a Conservative Tennessean)

If somehow he manages to win the nomination and he does this sort of tap dance in a head to head debate with her Thyness and her political machine, he will be cut to pieces.....

10 posted on 11/27/2007 5:31:34 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Thinking of voting Democrat? Wake up and smell the Socialism!)
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To: Thermalseeker

I missed his interview with Chris Wallace so I can’t address that,but there is no way Hillary can cut him to pieces. I have seen several of his speeches this year and he sure impresses me. Hillary will not take a stand on anything contraversial.


11 posted on 11/27/2007 5:42:43 AM PST by SWEETSUNNYSOUTH (Help stamp out liberalism!)
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Fred bump!


12 posted on 11/27/2007 5:44:36 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: SWEETSUNNYSOUTH

Fred put Wallace in his place. It was pretty funny.


13 posted on 11/27/2007 7:27:21 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Fred Thompson)
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To: Thermalseeker
Really? I caught Fred on Fox News Sunday and I was left with the impression that he's just another mealy-mouthed, inside the beltway politician.

Are you sure you were watching the same Fox Interview I was?

Shoot, are you sure you were even watching Thompson?!

After watching his interview with Chris Wallace on FoxNews I was so pumped-up I was ready to go out and campaign everywhere I could for the guy!.

He was absolutely awesome in that interveiw!

14 posted on 11/27/2007 7:59:48 AM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: SWEETSUNNYSOUTH
I missed his interview with Chris Wallace so I can’t address that,but there is no way Hillary can cut him to pieces. I have seen several of his speeches this year and he sure impresses me. Hillary will not take a stand on anything contraversial.

Fred stood his ground, went on the offensive but was still a gentleman. He wasn't willing to be Wallace's little doormat for the Giuliani shills, Fred Barnes and Charles Krauthammer. I didn't like the smarmy way that Wallace set that up. It was disrespectful.

I thought it was a good whiff of what you might expect if Fred was debating Hitlery.
15 posted on 11/27/2007 8:03:18 AM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s just these inside the beltway politicians, and MSM, that tried to cram Illegal alien amnesty down our throats, and we know how that turned out. I don’t think the inside the beltway conventional wisdom has any relationship with reality, and since most of the criticism of Fred is coming from these people, I think its fair to say that they don’t know what they are talking about.


16 posted on 11/27/2007 1:17:47 PM PST by Eagle74 (From time to time the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

FDT was on hannity today and hit it out of the park.Even hannity was impressed.


17 posted on 11/27/2007 3:08:44 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Courage — exactly.

The only chance to achieve social security and tax reform is to focus hard on those issues during the campaign. That provides serious leverage once in office because the electee can credibly claim a mandate and use it to push through congress.

Great job, Sen. Thompson.


18 posted on 11/27/2007 11:40:41 PM PST by ellery (I don't remember a constitutional amendment that gives you the right not to be identified-R.Giuliani)
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To: Eagle74
It’s just these inside the beltway politicians, and MSM, that tried to cram Illegal alien amnesty down our throats, and we know how that turned out. I don’t think the inside the beltway conventional wisdom has any relationship with reality, and since most of the criticism of Fred is coming from these people, I think its fair to say that they don’t know what they are talking about.

Yes! All this nattering about Thompson by pundits and inside-the-beltway types harks back to the immigration debacle, and the Harriet Miers debacle before that. The arrogant predictions of the GOP powers-that-be turned out to be 100% wrong in both of those situations. This primary may be another example of how disconnected with the grassroots the GOP bigs are.

19 posted on 11/27/2007 11:48:05 PM PST by ellery (I don't remember a constitutional amendment that gives you the right not to be identified-R.Giuliani)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I like his policies, but I don’t think he has the campaigning ability and charisma we Americans have come to expect from our leaders. Heck, Bush comes across as a great campaigner next to this guy.


20 posted on 11/27/2007 11:49:37 PM PST by wastedpotential
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To: SoConPubbie
He was absolutely awesome in that interveiw!

Awesome? He seemed tired, confused and talked in circles and vague generalities. What was to love about that?

As a Tennessean, and someone who previously supported Thompson in his Senatorial campaign, I was unimpressed. I really expected more. Fred has no chance of winning the nomination unless he suddenly develops a pulse.....

21 posted on 11/29/2007 6:00:33 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Thinking of voting Democrat? Wake up and smell the Socialism!)
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To: Thermalseeker

Fred bump.

Vote for Fred.


22 posted on 11/29/2007 6:02:57 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: SWEETSUNNYSOUTH
I have seen several of his speeches this year and he sure impresses me.

Maybe that's what it is. Fred is better when he's scripted, such as speeches. One on one in interviews and debates, he gives me the impression that he's either confused or his heart really isn't in it. He tends to speak in vague generalities with a lot of "ums" and "uhs" when he gives his "Washington insider" answers to questions. It makes him look unprepared, or not willing to divulge specifics, not at all unlike her Thyness. I really expected more from my former Senator....

23 posted on 11/29/2007 6:06:58 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Thinking of voting Democrat? Wake up and smell the Socialism!)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Vote for Fred.

I'd love to, but he's really got to start showing some interest in running for POTUS. Right now, he's a long way from earning this Tennesseans vote.....

24 posted on 11/29/2007 6:09:36 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Thinking of voting Democrat? Wake up and smell the Socialism!)
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To: Thermalseeker
He looks plenty interested (and interesting) to this Virginian.

For me, at least, a vote for Fred is a vote FOR Fred ... not just a vote against the other guy(s).

25 posted on 11/29/2007 6:17:14 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Thermalseeker
I caught Fred on Fox News Sunday and I was left with the impression that he's just another mealy-mouthed, inside the beltway politician.

As someone who thinks Fred is the best candidate in the race, I can still appreciate your sentiment. All I can say is, Fred doesn't look so bad to me, I have done worse, I voted for guys named George Bush on the national ticket in six of the last seven Presidential elections.

26 posted on 11/29/2007 6:27:45 AM PST by Biblebelter
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To: ArrogantBustard
He looks plenty interested (and interesting) to this Virginian.

He just doesn't seem to be "connecting" with the voters like the Huckster or Rootie. I seriously doubt the casual observer, the ones who are just now starting to pay attention, would pick Fred over either of those two. Fred really needs to work on his public persona and he needs to quit talking in Washington inside the beltway gobbledygook. Very often he talks to the general public or to media talking heads as if they were a member of his staff who understands the Washington jargon. That turns off and looses a lot of folks if you axe me. Fred also needs to be more specific when he's asked specific questions. He tends to speak in vague, often rambling responses that really don't answer the question asked. McCain does the same thing and it's one of many reasons why he will never win the nomination.

27 posted on 11/29/2007 6:32:02 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Thinking of voting Democrat? Wake up and smell the Socialism!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Although some might consider his course courageous, the conventional wisdom, at least inside the Beltway, is that this is akin to committing political suicide. It will put a big, bright target on his back.

Well, yeah ... that would be the point, eh? If you can get the other side arguing with you about substantive issues, then you're the de facto candidate.

An excellent way to set yourself apart from the pack, and to show your leadership credentials.

28 posted on 11/29/2007 6:37:36 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Thermalseeker
I don't vote according to the MSM ... or to whatever bandwagon they're pulling.

And I'm sick of "slick" candidates.

29 posted on 11/29/2007 6:47:28 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
I don't vote according to the MSM ... or to whatever bandwagon they're pulling.

I don't either, but a successful candidate these days has to be able to navigate the MSM and deflect their agenda effortlessly instead of accepting the premise of their loaded questions and going from there. Reagan was a master at this. Unfortunately, to date, Fred hasn't shown me the same ability. In fact, I'm not at all thrilled with any of the GOP field. A lot of that has to do with the fact that the truly good, intelligent people with real core values want nothing to do with the filth of modern day politics.

FWIW, I'm not only sick of "slick" candidates (are you listening Mitt?), but I'm also sick of having to choose between the "lesser of two evils"...

30 posted on 11/29/2007 6:56:18 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Thinking of voting Democrat? Wake up and smell the Socialism!)
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To: Thermalseeker
I'd love to, but he's really got to start showing some interest in running for POTUS. Right now, he's a long way from earning this Tennesseans vote.....

Sorry, but I could not disagree with you more.

My perception is that Fred has been running an awesome on-fire campaign from day one.

You need to quit parrotting the MSM and the paid campaign shills.

You sound just like them, but the facts don't back up your statements.
31 posted on 11/29/2007 10:09:11 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie
You sound just like them, but the facts don't back up your statements.

What facts? I stated my OPINION. Get it?

You can say whatever you want about me. That's a pretty common, albeit worn out, distraction tactic here on Free Republic. In the end, it isn't about me and what I think. It's about Fred Dalton Thompson charging up the electorate. No matter how you choose to spin it, that ain't happening, partner. He's putting people to sleep.

I'm a Tennessee resident and voter of more than 25 years. Fred was my Senator. I think I'm pretty familiar with the man through LOCAL knowledge. You, on the other hand, are the one that is getting your "facts" from the Laimstream media. Please consider that for a moment before you decide to jump on me about my expressed OPINIONS about Fred.....you might just decide that you should listen to the folks who know him best.

32 posted on 11/30/2007 4:00:20 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Debates? Those weren't no stinkin' debates!)
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To: Thermalseeker
No matter how you choose to spin it, that ain't happening, partner. He's putting people to sleep.

I'm a registered 'Rat from Upstate NY. And I'm voting for FDT. I know where he stands on the issues, and he doesn't have to do a darn thing for me other than have his name on the ballot. And I know a lot of other folks, including other 'Rats, who feel the same way.

33 posted on 11/30/2007 4:04:33 AM PST by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Freepers need to take a look at this poll:

http://www.whoradio.com/pages/2008elimination/index.html?feed=119197&article=2855869

34 posted on 11/30/2007 4:04:54 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: mewzilla
I'm a registered 'Rat from Upstate NY. And I'm voting for FDT.

Goody for you! Given the Dim field, I can see why.....want a cookie?

35 posted on 11/30/2007 4:07:52 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Debates? Those weren't no stinkin' debates!)
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To: Ronin

Remember that the MSM always labels Republicans “lazy”. They used to say that about Ike (always golfing) and Reagan (doesn’t put in much time at the WH). In fact, when I think about it, all the stereotypes that the MSM applies to Republicans are just about the same as what racists say about blacks - lazy, stupid, dangerous, untrustworthy, cheaters, yada, yada, yada. Of course, our saintly heroes in the MSM would never be bigoted.


36 posted on 11/30/2007 4:08:55 AM PST by Hardastarboard (DemocraticUnderground.com is an internet hate site.)
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To: Thermalseeker

All right, I gotta jump in here on that one. My parents are both Tennesseans, my grandaddy played football at Tennessee in 1921. Other than when my dad took jobs out of state or my Air Force career, I’ve been a Tennessean and in Tennessee all my life (I’m almost 49). I also live in Fred’s hometown’s neighboring county.
Alot of people say,” we need to clean out Washington and get a whole new bunch”. Now here’s Fred who doesn’t act like a typical politician (that’s worth points to me); who doesn’t run a campaign like a normal politician (more kudos); and keeps his image as a quiet spoken southern gentleman (because he is). One thing that I know about Tennesseans is that looks can be deceiving, you go against their core values and things they passionately believe in then you gotta heck of a fight on your hands from a person you thought looked “lackluster”.
Is Fred perfect, heck no (neither am I). But I do believe he has America’s interest at heart and except for Duncan Hunter, has much more conservative values than any of the rino’s in the race (I like Duncan also and think he and Fred would be a great team).
One poster on another thread stated something about Fred running his campaign so he doesn’t peak too early but right when he needs to ... I believe that is a good analysis. In another thread, I wrote that Fred reminded me of Teddy Roosevelt that he “Speaks softly but carries a big stick”. I think that sums up Fred very well. We are all entitled to our opinions and will see things differently, these are mine (from another long time Tennessee resident).


37 posted on 11/30/2007 4:50:26 AM PST by Mustng959
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Courage is right, but it will either be the best idea in the world or nobody will get in the race “late” ever again and it would not surprise me if the election cycle gets longer and longer and that does not thrill me one bit.


38 posted on 11/30/2007 4:57:23 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: Mustng959
We are all entitled to our opinions and will see things differently, these are mine

Yes, everyone is entitled to their opinions and everyone clearly sees things differently, especially when evaluating my comments. I haven't been critical of ANY of Fred Thompson's policies, only that he isn't exciting the crowd with this inside the beltway Washington speak. His poll numbers clearly show that. His tactics up until now are very much UNLIKE how he campaigned for Senate. Remember? In his quest to be POTUS, he frequently uses acronyms and phrases that would only be known to a Washington insider or staffer and that is where he looses a lot of people. I had expected him to be a bit more Reaganesque in his delivery. I agree he and Duncan Hunter would make a great team, but Duncan Hunter thus far, along with Tancredo, has been pretty much relegated to being a bookend at the so-called "debates".

39 posted on 11/30/2007 5:26:12 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Debates? Those weren't no stinkin' debates!)
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