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Underwater and undercover:how nuclear subs were first line of Falklands defence
The Times,UK ^ | November 27, 2007 | Michael Evans, Defence Editor

Posted on 11/27/2007 7:01:17 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki

Underwater and undercover: how nuclear subs were first line of Falklands defence

Michael Evans, Defence Editor

Five Royal Navy submarines lined up, submerged, on the edge of Argentina’s 12-mile territorial limit to provide early warning of bombing raids on the British task force during the Falklands conflict, according to a new account of the secret role played by the nuclear-powered vessels.

Trailing wire aerials behind them, the submarines were able to pick up launchings of Skyhawks and other aircraft from the main base at Rio Grande, pinpointing their type and number, and giving the task force 45 minutes’ notice in which to react.

The details of the 1982 mission, which was never discovered by the Argentinians, have been revealed by the former second-in-command of one of the boats, HMS Conqueror.

Writing in a special publication, Royal Navy, A Global Force, Vice-Admiral Sir Tim McClement, now retired, says that 25 years after the Falklands campaign it is important to recall the “vital contribution” of the submarines to victory.

The threat from Argentina’s Sky-hawk bombers, armed with 1,500lb and 2,000lb bombs, and its Super Étendards, fitted with sea-skimming Exocet antiship missiles, posed the gravest danger to the task force, mainly because the Royal Navy lacked any proper early-warning system.

Although the two Royal Navy aircraft carriers, HMS Invincible and HMS Hermes,were out of range of the Argentine bombers, located well to the east of the Falklands, the warships on point duty closer to the Argentine mainland, and the troops landing on the islands, were highly vulnerable.

The well-documented secret plan to attack one of the main Argentine air-bases and destroy the Skyhawks, using the SAS, was aborted after a dry run went wrong and a number of SAS soldiers had to seek sanctuary in neighbouring Chile.

The presence of five nuclear-powered submarines – HMS Conqueror, HMS Splendid, HMS Spartan, HMS Courageousand HMS Valiant,and one conventional diesel-electric submarine, HMS Onyx – provided the solution. In the early part of the conflict, most of the submarines were engaged in other, priority missions. HMS Conqueror was trailing the Argentine cruiser, General Belgrano, and on May 2 fired two Mark 8 torpedoes, sinking the ship, with the loss of 323 sailors. HMS Splendid and HMS Spartan were involved in the search for the Argentine aircraft carrier 25 de Mayo, which was suspected of lurking in the mist north of the Falklands, preparing for a pincer movement together with the Belgranoagainst the task force. HMS Onyx was engaged in top-secret special forces operations.

However, eventually the five nuclear-powered submarines took up positions on the Argentine 12-mile limit to act as early-warning platforms. There were several dramatic incidents.

Admiral McClement reveals that in transit to the 12-mile limit HMS Conqueror got her floating wire aerial wrapped around her propeller. “This made a distinctive noise. She knew Argentine submarines were in her area and so had to get rid of the wire,” he writes. All the divers on board the submarine volunteered for the dangerous task of untangling the wire. The former deputy commander of the submarine recalls: “It was very rough, far too rough for peacetime rules to put people on to the deck, let alone put a diver into the water.”

HMS Conqueror surfaced and eight volunteers successfully removed the wire “knowing that if an Argentine aircraft, ship or submarine was detected, the captain [Commander Christoper Wreford-Brown] would have to shut the hatch, dive the submarine and leave them to their fate. Thankfully, they all came home to tell the tale,” Admiral McClement says.

With the 45-minutes warning from the submarines, Sea Harriers on combat patrol were alerted and several Argentine bombers were destroyed, forcing others to return to base. But there were uncomfortable consequences for the submariners. “These [returning] planes jettisoned their bombs before landing, and they did so around the 12-mile limit. All the boats employed in this task experienced some random bombing, luckily without damage,” Admiral McClement writes.

HMS Conqueror arrived back at Faslane, its home base on the Clyde, after 90 days continuously at sea.

“Although she played a significant part in the conflict, her crew never actually saw the Falkland Islands,” Admiral McClement says.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: falklands; navy; submarine; uk

1 posted on 11/27/2007 7:01:20 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

“Although she played a significant part in the conflict, her crew never actually saw the Falkland Islands,”

The LRRPs sure did.


2 posted on 11/27/2007 7:05:12 AM PST by ansel12 (Proud father of a 10th Mountain veteran. Proud son of a WWII vet. Proud brother of vets, Airborne)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Interesting, thanks.


3 posted on 11/27/2007 7:07:23 AM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
I remember at the time of the Falklands War a German friend describing the British Navy as being similar to an iceberg; the small part the Argies saw would be impressive enough, but the major part, which they would never see, would be lethal.
4 posted on 11/27/2007 7:09:55 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Five Royal Navy submarines lined up, submerged, on the edge of Argentina’s 12-mile territorial limit

Why were the Brits observing territorial limits? They were at war with Argentina. The Argentines certainly didn't care about any 12-mile limit when they invaded the Falklands.

5 posted on 11/27/2007 7:10:06 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Government is the hired help - not the boss. When politicians forget that they must be fired.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Since the “conflict” however most if not all of the Five Royal Navy submarines are lined up at the pier.


6 posted on 11/27/2007 7:10:46 AM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Too bad we’re in the Silent Service. US submariners could definitely beat the Brits in “Can You Top This?”.


7 posted on 11/27/2007 7:16:13 AM PST by Thrownatbirth (.....when the sidewalks are safe for the little guy.)
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To: edcoil

That’s correct. They are being replaced by the super quiet Astute class, IIRC,


8 posted on 11/27/2007 7:17:41 AM PST by agere_contra (Do not confuse the wealth of nations with the wealth of government - FDT)
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To: edcoil

The folks who thought up the idea of aluminum hulled destroyers should be the ones lined up on the pier.


9 posted on 11/27/2007 7:23:52 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky

My understanding is that the problem was not the hulls, it was the aluminum superstructure. With today’s weapons aluminum is as flammable as wood and harder to put out.


10 posted on 11/27/2007 7:37:00 AM PST by Squawk 8888 (Is human activity causing the warming trend on Mars?)
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To: Mr. Lucky

The air defence officer of HMS Sheffield was absent from his post for about 20 minutes before and during the critical attack. That was the real weakness IMO.

In contrast HMS Gloucester came under repeated exocet attacks and combed each one, thanks to its impressive maneuverability - in part due to the aluminium hull - and the fact that the crew were all at their posts.


11 posted on 11/27/2007 7:39:15 AM PST by agere_contra (Do not confuse the wealth of nations with the wealth of government - FDT)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Fascinating article. Thanks for posting it.

Hard to believe it's been 25 years.

12 posted on 11/27/2007 7:51:04 AM PST by FReepaholic (This tagline could indicate global warming.)
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To: Thrownatbirth
They're not all silent. An excellent read.


13 posted on 11/27/2007 8:09:08 AM PST by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Sherry Sontag & Christopher Drew, Blind Man's Bluff: The Untold Story of American Submarine Espionage
14 posted on 11/27/2007 9:29:38 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Yo-Yo
I'd have beaten you if my service didn't go temporarily down earlier.

That should tell me to review all subsequent posts.

But a great read deserves it anyway.

Best....

15 posted on 11/27/2007 9:32:51 AM PST by onedoug
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To: sukhoi-30mki

One of the interesting techniques the Argies used to attack the British ships was to use a Super Entendard - Phantom jet combination.

The Entendard hugged the surface of the sea and periodically sent the Phantom up high enough to get a radar fix on the target, which vectored the Entendard towards it, then drop back down - something like an avionic periscope.

The radar guys on the target ships would only see a blip on the screen that would disappear on the next sweep - “background noise”.

When they got close enough, the Entendards would fire their Exocets and haul back to Argentina.


16 posted on 11/27/2007 9:52:29 AM PST by Oatka (A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: Oatka

If you are referring to the F-4 Phantom,I don’t think Argentina operated that type.


17 posted on 11/27/2007 10:01:28 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki
That whole war was the most embarrassing cluster-fiasco of any modern world power (except for maybe Jimmy Carter’s raid on Iran)
18 posted on 11/27/2007 10:09:04 AM PST by ElkGroveDan (If Rudy's an influential conservative, then I'm an award winning concert pianist.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

one play flying low and another flying higher above... not an F-4 Phantom...


19 posted on 11/27/2007 10:09:42 AM PST by MD_Willington_1976
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To: sukhoi-30mki

***HMS Conqueror was trailing the Argentine cruiser, General Belgrano, and on May 2 fired two Mark 8 torpedoes, sinking the ship,***

The former US ship USS Phoenix that survived Pearl Harbor.

http://www.bobhenneman.info/belgrano.htm


20 posted on 11/27/2007 10:39:58 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: sukhoi-30mki

excellent post


21 posted on 11/27/2007 11:13:13 AM PST by gaijin
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To: Oatka
kind of a wild weasel variation.
22 posted on 11/27/2007 11:39:32 AM PST by bill1952 ("all that we do is done with an eye towards something else." - Aristotle)
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To: ElkGroveDan
>That whole war was the most embarrassing cluster-fiasco of any modern world power

Not that it will make you any more popular with the semi informed types, but you got that right. 8^)

I no longer put England into the “World Power” category though.

23 posted on 11/27/2007 11:42:48 AM PST by bill1952 ("all that we do is done with an eye towards something else." - Aristotle)
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To: sukhoi-30mki; bill1952
If you are referring to the F-4 Phantom,I don’t think Argentina operated that type.

Thought I read this in a book on the Falklands War. Mebbe it was the A-4. The interesting part, to me, was how they used an obsolete aircraft in conjuction with a modern one. Humans can be ingenious.

24 posted on 11/27/2007 2:08:33 PM PST by Oatka (A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Good post - thank you!


25 posted on 11/27/2007 2:59:16 PM PST by PeterFinn (I'm voting for Tom Tancredo.)
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To: Squawk 8888

I thought aluminum had to be mixed with iron, or have iron in close proximity, before it would burn.

I’ve cut steel with acetylene torch when aluminum is in proximity, and oh boy! When the flame and the sparks hit the aluminum, it takes off like it was magnesium. But as soon as the sparks from the steel are gone, the aluminum quits burning.


26 posted on 11/27/2007 3:17:09 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

My understanding is that burning aluminum is similar to magnesium in that it can draw oxygen out of water to sustain combustion, but beyond that I really don’t know much about aluminum fires.


27 posted on 11/27/2007 7:20:23 PM PST by Squawk 8888 (Is human activity causing the warming trend on Mars?)
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To: agere_contra
The air defence officer of HMS Sheffield was absent from his post for about 20 minutes before and during the critical attack. That was the real weakness IMO.

According to ADM Sandy Woodward, that was just one problem. The other problem was that Sheffield's SCOT satellite communications system interfered with the ship's radars when the sat comm was in use. When the Entendards were making their attack run, the SCOT was in use. Also, Sheffield did not send up any chaff when Glasgow tried to warn of the approaching aircraft.
28 posted on 11/27/2007 8:26:25 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I remember reading shortly after the war the story that the British has SAS members in the area surrounding the airbase to provide early warning of Argentine aircraft launch. Misinformation?


29 posted on 11/27/2007 8:38:42 PM PST by Rb ver. 2.0 (Global warming is the new Marxism.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Interesting Falklands War Timeline
30 posted on 11/27/2007 9:02:18 PM PST by Rb ver. 2.0 (Global warming is the new Marxism.)
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To: Mr. Lucky

“The folks who thought up the idea of aluminum hulled destroyers should be the ones lined up on the pier.”

I’m not aware of any aluminium hulled destroyers. Type 42s like The Coventry and Sheffield certainly weren’t.


31 posted on 11/28/2007 1:30:50 AM PST by Dave Elias
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To: agere_contra

“In contrast HMS Gloucester came under repeated exocet attacks and combed each one, thanks to its impressive maneuverability - in part due to the aluminium hull - and the fact that the crew were all at their posts.”

What a load of bollocks!The British type 42 Destroyers (and the Argie type 42s for that matter) were not aluminium hulled. Nor was any of the superstructure made from aluminium. Urban myth I’m afraid.


32 posted on 11/28/2007 1:34:32 AM PST by Dave Elias
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To: Dave Elias

The HMS Amazon and the USS Belknap certainly had aluminum superstructures.


33 posted on 11/28/2007 5:36:04 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Oatka

Argentina operated the A-4.Well,the Super Etendard was not exactly modern compared to the A-4.


34 posted on 11/28/2007 7:31:11 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Mr. Lucky

“The HMS Amazon and the USS Belknap certainly had aluminum superstructures.”

Huh? Considering the HMS Amazon was (and still is) a frigate and the USS Belknapp a cruiser, you might as well add my fishing boat to the list! I made it pretty clear I was talking about destroyers.


35 posted on 11/29/2007 3:53:30 AM PST by Dave Elias
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