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Redacted: This Movie Can Kill
Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation ^ | Nov. 26, 2007 | Robert A. McMahon

Posted on 11/27/2007 11:27:53 AM PST by Phil Harmonic

Redacted

How many American soldiers will lose their lives because of this anti-war movie? That is the first question anyone who sees the recently released anti-American film should ask. I was one of only four people at the Ritz Bourse theater for the first showing in Philadelphia last Friday. I hope this suggests that it will fail to find an audience in the United States. I have no doubt it will be a hit with those who seek to destroy America.

While the pattern of Hollywood’s anti-American commitment is the same as it was in Vietnam, one of the major differences between Vietnam and Iraq is the timing of the Hollywood movies. At least Hollywood generally waited until the troops were out of Vietnam before their movies were released vilifying American soldiers. Today, the studios are competing to get the movies out NOW while our troops are still in the line of fire.

(Excerpt) Read more at vvlf.org ...


TOPICS: Editorial
KEYWORDS: danrather; hollywood; markcuban; redacted; sedition; treason
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Robert McMahon, board member of the Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation, on the price likely to be exacted...and from WHOM...by this abominable leftist assault on our military.
1 posted on 11/27/2007 11:27:54 AM PST by Phil Harmonic
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To: Phil Harmonic
I have no doubt it will be a hit with those who seek to destroy America.

I would assume that, too; but all reports are that EVERYBODY is staying away.

2 posted on 11/27/2007 11:29:41 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Phil Harmonic

Redacted is Red Acted.............


3 posted on 11/27/2007 11:30:09 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: Phil Harmonic

Bombs away. In its opening weekend, “Redacted” earned $25,628 while “Beowulf” earned $27,515,871. Theaters earned $8,100 per screen for “Beowulf” while “Redacted” only earned $1,708 per screen. Subtitle: Mark Cuban watches his money circle the drain.


4 posted on 11/27/2007 11:32:11 AM PST by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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To: Phil Harmonic

Is there any evidence that the events as portrayed in Redacted ever took place?


5 posted on 11/27/2007 11:34:03 AM PST by trumandogz (Hunter Thompson 2008)
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To: Izzy Dunne
all reports are that EVERYBODY is staying away.

Yes, they are staying away in droves.

6 posted on 11/27/2007 11:37:13 AM PST by Jeff Chandler ("Liberals want to save the world for the children they aren't having." -Mark Steyn)
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To: Izzy Dunne

But the overseas markets for these movies will be very specific. Watch for a Farsi and Arabic translation to be hurried into print so they can be released to the Middle East and Asia. And within six months, we’ll be seeing them sold in the street markets in Baghdad, Kabul and the West Bank.

Its impossible to believe that the film makers/producers/promoters/etc are too naive to understand that people who do actually hate America are going to be using their films as the ‘proof’ that America is the Great Satan and a recruiting tool for more suicide bombers.


7 posted on 11/27/2007 11:38:37 AM PST by bpjam (Harry Reid doesn't even have 32% of my approval)
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To: 3AngelaD
Subtitle: Mark Cuban watches his money circle the drain.

To all the Dallas Mavericks fans out there, you need to know that the owner of this NBA franchise, (Mark Cuban) financed this awful anti-American, anti- U.S. Soldier fiction-piece during a TIME OF WAR!!!!

I can only hope and pray that Mav's fans stop supporting this leftist/socialist P.O.S. until that point when the franchise is sold to a more Patriotic person(s).

Does Michael Moore like basketball?

8 posted on 11/27/2007 11:41:14 AM PST by adm5 (Courtesy of the Fred, White & Blue.)
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To: bpjam

Yup. Brian De Palma ought to be made to live in one of those hell holes, instead of this country that he hates so much. Of course, he is the kind of wuss who wouldn’t last five minutes in one of those places.


9 posted on 11/27/2007 11:41:29 AM PST by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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To: 3AngelaD
Subtitle: Mark Cuban watches his money circle the drain.

And his Mavs are going down the very same drain.

10 posted on 11/27/2007 11:42:46 AM PST by dfwgator (RIP Dr. Cade)
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To: bpjam
But the overseas markets for these movies will be very specific. Watch for a Farsi and Arabic translation to be hurried into print so they can be released to the Middle East and Asia. And within six months, we’ll be seeing them sold in the street markets in Baghdad, Kabul and the West Bank.

The cash flow from middle eastern countries for movie theater tickets is what exactly? I would think there is a small population that can afford to pay for a movie. Street markets will be selling knock-offs and nobody in Hollywood will see a penny of those sales.

As to the propaganda value -- they hate us already, will this movie make them hate us more? I think not. The whole issue is a tempest in a tea pot.

11 posted on 11/27/2007 11:45:02 AM PST by been_lurking
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To: trumandogz
Yeah. Something like it happened once in Iraq and the perpetrators were arrested, tried, convicted and sentenced:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/08/04/army.rape.slaying.ap/index.html

But DePalma tries to convey the impression that these incidents happen constantly, are covered up, and “redacted” from news media reports.

DePalma is a sleazy sack of human garbage. Sadly he is like most in Hollywood—an industry incapable of producing anything anymore but celluloid dog feces.

12 posted on 11/27/2007 11:45:51 AM PST by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: Phil Harmonic
I boil over stuff like this. In WWII, Hollywood cranked out potboilers about how brave and valient our boys were to keep up the hope in the homeland. Of course, that was in the Studio Era when the producers and management "owned" the talent, and you acted in the movie you were given, and the embarassing personal leanings of your favorite stars were mostly kept out of the limelight, hidden away in Hollywood, because the people who sold the movies knew what we didn't want to know about the stars. To them, selling movies was like selling soap powder. If you gave people what they wanted, you sold product.

With the demise of the Studio powers-that-were, the stars became disproportionately powerful. Today, actors don't give a damn about impressing anyone but other actors...and you know where that leads.

13 posted on 11/27/2007 11:47:01 AM PST by 50sDad (Liberals: Never Happy, Never Grateful, Never Right.)
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To: Phil Harmonic
I am surprised this film got distribution. I wonder what company was foolish enough. It only takes three fools to make and bring to the theaters such a disgraceful film--a director, a financier, and a distributor. Why pray tell are theaters even showing this? They are the fourth that could put an end to it all right here. However when no one shows up for the ball . . . that is the nail in the coffin and the biggest and best statement by the people saying, "Get this trash off the screen."

Did anyone see the montage with Cuban's Dancing with the Stars footage and the American soldiers fighting on Fox news last night. I loved it.

Why does Dallas continue to support his team?

14 posted on 11/27/2007 11:57:17 AM PST by GOP Poet
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To: Brad from Tennessee
celluloid dog feces

:-) apt description.

15 posted on 11/27/2007 11:59:19 AM PST by GOP Poet
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To: Phil Harmonic

Brain De Palma should be forced to spend a week in the streets of Baghdad for producing this treasonous filth. See how the jihadis treat him....


16 posted on 11/27/2007 12:00:08 PM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Rummyfan

And take Mark Cuban too!


17 posted on 11/27/2007 12:00:39 PM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: adm5
Mark Cuban is also the A-hole that signed Dan Rather to a contract. I hope his money is going south on that one too.
18 posted on 11/27/2007 12:02:08 PM PST by bilhosty
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How Hollywood “Supports” the troops...


19 posted on 11/27/2007 12:06:01 PM PST by Wright Wing
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To: Phil Harmonic
So many names to play with here . . . my choice for today is: Regurgitated. As in Hollywood just eats this poo and throws it back up and it gets more and more nasty.

Sorry folks for the visual, but apt as well I think as it is just disgusting and our honorable service men and women pay the price for a film that needs to be buried with lime in the sewer. Sounds as though it is already being buried by the American people though :-). Thank you for posting the article. It is right on!

20 posted on 11/27/2007 12:08:14 PM PST by GOP Poet
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To: bpjam
But the overseas markets for these movies will be very specific. Watch for a Farsi and Arabic translation to be hurried into print so they can be released to the Middle East and Asia. And within six months, we’ll be seeing them sold in the street markets in Baghdad, Kabul and the West Bank.

Marc Cuban offered to sell the movie to Brian De Palma at cost so he could release it in any form and to whoever he wanted, and he refused the offer. Even the director knows his movie is worthless crap that will never make any money.

21 posted on 11/27/2007 12:08:47 PM PST by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: 3AngelaD

On his show yesterday, Michael Medved reported on what a certifiable turkey this movie is; he gave some of the abysmal box office numbers.


22 posted on 11/27/2007 12:10:10 PM PST by Caleb1411 ("These are the days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed except his own." G. K. C)
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To: Phil Harmonic

Every Dallas Mavericks’ fan stabs an American soldier in the back when he gives his nickle to Mark Cuban.


23 posted on 11/27/2007 12:11:14 PM PST by Lexington Green (Every Dallas Mavericks' fan stabs an American soldier in the back when he gives his nickle to Mark C)
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To: Caleb1411

Yes, according to the box office, fewer than 3,000 people saw it last weekend.


24 posted on 11/27/2007 12:16:18 PM PST by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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To: Phil Harmonic

Was surprised to see Redacted for sale for $20 on “On Demand” on my Verizon Fios last weekend.

They’re going out of their way to try and pipeline this crap to the masses.


25 posted on 11/27/2007 12:21:05 PM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Phil Harmonic; Paperdoll; Guenevere; blackie; SierraWasp; All

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1929329/posts

War film’s portrayal of soldiers draws fire from GOP lawmaker
Nov. 22, 2007

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Rep. Duncan Hunter, California Republican, sent a scathing letter regarding Brian De Palma’s new film to MPAA Chairman Dan Glickman asking that he not forget that there are heroes who have sacrificed their lives for the United States and Iraqi people.

“Unfortunately, Brian De Palma’s new movie ‘Redacted,’ which opened in several theaters this week, portrays American service personnel in Iraq as uncontrollable misfits and criminals,” Mr. Hunter stated in his letter to Mr. Glickman. “While incidents of criminal behavior by members of our military should never be ignored, the isolated incident on which this film is based negatively portrays American service personnel and misrepresents their collective efforts in Iraq.”

Other military officials worry that the film could be used as propaganda against troops in the region and incite violence against them by Islamist group.....

“This incident, while tragic, demonstrates the goodness and generosity of our nation’s military, and its continued mission in Iraq,” Mr. Hunter said, reminding Mr. Glickman and Mr. De Palma of the continuing sacrifices U.S. troops have made.

“The film intentionally fails to show or give any indication of the more than 3 million inoculations administered by American forces, the construction of medical clinics and schools, as well as the construction of other important infrastructure,” the letter went on to state. “Additionally, the film’s negative depiction of our military blatantly ignores the many acts of heroism performed by our soldiers, Marines, airmen and sailors in Iraq.”


26 posted on 11/27/2007 12:25:48 PM PST by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: Lexington Green

Bingo.

People need to stop doing business with people who willingly go against this country- people such as Cuban.


27 posted on 11/27/2007 12:26:44 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: Phil Harmonic

If nothing else, this tripe should serve as a clarion call to our Iraq era veterans as to what the left has in store for them given the opportunity. Vietnam Veterans have paid the price of ambivalence in the face of leftist activism and propaganda...right down to the historical narratives used to teach our children.

The “Iraq Veterans Legacy Foundation” doesn’t yet exist. Hopefully they won’t give the America haters another 30 year head start.


28 posted on 11/27/2007 12:27:14 PM PST by Phil Harmonic
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To: trumandogz
Is there any evidence that the events as portrayed in Redacted ever took place?

Good question. We keep hearing that the film is based on a true story. I wonder how true it is. And even if it is true, why do a film like this during wartime about an isolated incident that will be prosecuted if it really happened?

29 posted on 11/27/2007 12:38:28 PM PST by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: GOP Poet
Why pray tell are theaters even showing this? They are the fourth that could put an end to it all right here.

Looks like they have. Ten days in and its widest release has been only 15 theaters.

30 posted on 11/27/2007 1:13:04 PM PST by 03A3
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To: puroresu
We keep hearing that the film is based on a true story.

Uh-huh. We keep hearing that J F'n Kerry's Viet Nam story is true, too. Crap is crap, no matter what the source!

31 posted on 11/27/2007 1:15:23 PM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Phil Harmonic

I’ve never heard of this movie. I doubt it’s going to get many viewers unless we give them free publicity by making a big stink.


32 posted on 11/27/2007 1:17:04 PM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: bilhosty
Mark Cuban is also the A-hole that signed Dan Rather to a contract. I hope his money is going south on that one too.

Cuban is one of those George soros types with so much money they can afford to keep having debacles like this lose money for 2-300 years and still never have to worry about where his next meal is coming from.

33 posted on 11/27/2007 1:22:53 PM PST by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: Phil Harmonic

I just hope we dont cause such a backlash that libs go to see it to bring numbers up...of course it will get nominated for the academy awards.


34 posted on 11/27/2007 1:39:38 PM PST by Liberty2007 (left my sheeple go!)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

Cuban tried to bail out but De Palma wasn’t about to give back the money. Cuban was an idiot to get into this in the first place but when the heat started on him he tried to cut bait. I’m glad he didn’t get let off the hook. Everybody involved in that turkey should not only loss lots of money but also be subject to the shame of its existence.


35 posted on 11/27/2007 1:45:41 PM PST by bpjam (Harry Reid doesn't even have 32% of my approval)
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To: Phil Harmonic
And here is the jackass who financed the whole thing... Meet Mark Cuban! Owner of the Dallas Mavericks basketball team.


36 posted on 11/27/2007 1:49:45 PM PST by avacado
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To: avacado

Here’s the link to the picture of Mark Cuban for post #35
http://blogs.jobdig.com/wwds/files/2007/08/cuban_mark050517.jpg


37 posted on 11/27/2007 1:53:39 PM PST by avacado
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To: been_lurking

Its true that the monetary value is modest but the propaganda value is not. The only thing better than the testimony of a traitor to prove your side of the conflict to your supporters is something captured from the other side which proves you are right.

The jihadis will be the only people in the world to actually pay to see these crappy movies. And lets say that only a few dozen people worldwide see De Palmas film and decide that they need to join the jihad? Certainly a great return on investment for Al Qaeda since they didn’t even have to produce the film.

Many people hate us around the world. But if you add hollywood quality theatrics to that hatred you are increasing its intensity. Its an infinitely more attractive message when you can see and actually believe that the US soldiers in Iraq are there to torture, rape and kill Iraqi women and children. And that is the message they are getting from these movies. Propaganda has always been a valuable tool and dictators around the world have used it for centuries.


38 posted on 11/27/2007 1:53:47 PM PST by bpjam (Harry Reid doesn't even have 32% of my approval)
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To: Rummyfan
Brian De Palma should be forced to spend a week in the streets of Baghdad for producing this treasonous filth. See how the jihadis treat him.

I don't think there are any jihadis in Baghdad to amount to anything. Not many more left in Iraq, for that matter. Perhaps we should send him to Pakistan's NW Provinces.

39 posted on 11/27/2007 1:55:37 PM PST by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: GOP Poet
Why does Dallas continue to support his team?

This Dallasite doesn't, I root for the Spurs.

40 posted on 11/27/2007 1:56:15 PM PST by dfwgator (RIP Dr. Cade)
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To: avacado

Dan Rather works for him, too!


41 posted on 11/27/2007 1:57:54 PM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: AuntB

Yes, Duncan Hunter is always there to make things right for the country, no matter how rigorous and time consuming his campaign may be. Too bad he seldom gets any credit from the media for what he does.

Thank you, AuntB, for bringing this to our attention. :)


42 posted on 11/27/2007 2:10:24 PM PST by Paperdoll ( Vote for Duncan Hunter in the Primaries for America's sake!)
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To: 3AngelaD

There are a lot of ways to make Mark Cubans’ other money swirl down the drain outside of this celluloid abomination...

Just food for thought...

The way you hurt people like this is make them not able to make more money than they used to...


43 posted on 11/27/2007 4:02:19 PM PST by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: Phil Harmonic

Robert McMahon has no cause to be upset- the film is a resounding flop. In many places, it only played for a week, including San Fransisco. The American people have rejected it by acclimation.


44 posted on 11/27/2007 4:12:06 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (You can't be serious about national security unless you're serious about border security)
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To: bpjam

“But the overseas markets for these movies will be very specific.”

Exactly.

Michael Medved talked about this when he first learned of the movie being filmed.

Muslims are the target audience that the film was produced for.

Medved on ‘Redacted’: ‘It Could Be the Worst Movie I’ve Ever Seen’
By Dave Pierre | November 18, 2007 - 19:38 ET

“It could be the worst movie I’ve ever seen” ... “[T]he out and out worst, most disgusting, most hateful, most incompetent, most revolting, most loathsome, most reprehensible cinematic work I have ever encountered.” ... “It portrays the members of our Marine Corps in the most disgusting way imaginable.” ... “This film is an atrocity. It is zero stars.” ... “I honestly was close to vomiting when I saw the film.” ... “It is a slander on the United States of America.” ... “Everyone associated with this film ought to be ashamed.” ... “Will it inspire future terrorists? Of course it will!”

That’s prominent movie critic Michael Medved on the new film “Redacted.” Lest anyone think that Bill O’Reilly’s recent outrage over the film is an overreaction, Medved tells Bill, “It’s worse than you think.”

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/dave-pierre/2007/11/18/medved-redacted-it-could-be-worst-movie-ive-ever-seen


45 posted on 11/27/2007 4:19:48 PM PST by KeyLargo
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To: Phil Harmonic

I heard that this piece of trash and others like it — Lions for Lambs, etc. — are being called war porn! How apt.

Maybe all the producers of this trash will go bankrupt making movies that no real American wants to go see. I’m not even going to watch it when it comes on ON DEMAND. And DePalma will never get a dime of my movie going dollar either, nor will Meryl Streep, Tom Cruise or Robert Redford, or anyone else who wants to make movies that put our men/women in uniform in bad light.

They just don’t get it. But maybe they’ll go broke instead.


46 posted on 11/27/2007 4:26:36 PM PST by janereinheimer ((I can do all things through Him who strengthens me.))
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To: Phil Harmonic
Hollywood has made four bombs in a row, with another four in the pipeline. I know they are a bunch of political hacks, but not even Hollywood is willing to flush that much money down the toilet in order to make a silly point.

So either they are terrible judges of the market, which is unlikely, or they are not really losing money on these projects.

To take the first possibility first, I don't think their judgement could be that bad. Sure, they release a stinker every now and then, but they hit the target much more often than they miss. For every Ishtar there are a dozen Chevy Chase movies that made back their investment and turned a tidy profit. But they have made horrendous losers eight times in a row here. There must be an explaination.

Which brings me to my second possibility. Perhaps they are not losing money. Perhaps they are getting paid to make these films by somebody other than ticket buyers at the box office. Perhaps there is some person, or a group of people, who want to influence American public opinion on the War, and are willing to funnel $100 Million to various Hollywood producers to make movies to make that happen.

It is a more plausible scenario than the supposition that eight different Producers and hundreds of other supporting personel suddenly forgot everything they had used to build up their businesses over a lifetime of work, and all had the same stupid idea at the same time. These movies are all deal with different aspects of the Iraq War, all portray the US unfavorably, all seek to sap our will to fight, and are coming out at roughly four-week intervals, right through the US Presidential election.

Under the current campaign financing rules, there is only so much money you can give to an anti-war candidate. So what is somebody with a Billion dollars sitting around who wants to influence US public opinion to do?

Of course, this scenario means that one person did make a really big mistake. The person who thought Hollywood had the power to dictate public opinion and that whatever clap-trap Hollywood threw up on the screen would be eagerly consumed by the US population made a major miscalculation. And for that mistake, he has thrown away his money and will receive nothing in return.

Which is not a bad result, when you get right down to it.

47 posted on 11/27/2007 6:08:33 PM PST by gridlock (Recycling is the new Religion.)
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To: gridlock

Well reasoned Gridlock and certainly within the realm of plausibility. Undoubtedly the MSM will get right on this.

On another note, I was COMPELLED by my niece to watch this evening’s finale of “Dancing With The Stars” which would be a first for me. Try to imagine my reaction as I saw “Mark Cuban” introduced to perform as one of the already eliminated duos.

Click.


48 posted on 11/27/2007 6:59:48 PM PST by Phil Harmonic
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To: Phil Harmonic

Just saw the trailer, and it stated; “Also Coming soon on Magnolia DVD”. DePalma wants to make sure his message gets out there.


49 posted on 11/28/2007 8:08:11 AM PST by Bringbackthedraft (Kennedys, Bushes, Clintons,. had enough yet, or do you want more of them?)
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To: gridlock

We do know that Mark Cuban is one of the people who is paying Hollywood to make these films. I’m sure a little digging would turn up some other names.


50 posted on 11/28/2007 12:46:46 PM PST by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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