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Paris suburb riots called 'a lot worse' than in 2005
Int'l Herald Tribune/NYT ^ | November 27, 2007 | Elaine Sciolino

Posted on 11/27/2007 7:47:10 PM PST by fishhound

PARIS: The rituals and acts of rage have an eerie sameness to them: roving gangs of angry youths clashing with the riot police in France's edgy suburbs, the government appealing for calm, local officials and residents complaining that their problems are ignored.

Two years after an orgy of violence in which rioters in more than 300 suburbs and towns torched cars, trashed businesses and ambushed the riot police and firefighters, Villiers-le-Bel and several nearby suburbs of Paris similarly have erupted in violence and destruction.

In one sense, the unrest seems to be more menacing than during the early days of the three weeks of rioting in 2005. Then, the youth seemed disorganized, their destruction largely caused by rock-throwing and arson and aimed at the closest and easiest targets, like cars. This time, hunting shotguns, as well as gasoline bombs and rocks, have been turned on the police.

"From what our colleagues on the scene tell us, this is a situation that is a lot worse than what we saw in 2005," Patrice Ribeiro, a police officer and senior union official, told RTL radio Tuesday. He added, "A line was crossed last night, that is to say, they used weapons, they used weapons and fired on the police. This is a real guerrilla war."

Ribeiro warned that the police, who have struggled to avoid excessive force, would not be fired upon indefinitely without responding.

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KEYWORDS: france; parisriots; rop; shotguns; youths
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"A line was crossed last night, that is to say, they used weapons, they used weapons and fired on the police. This is a real guerrilla war."
1 posted on 11/27/2007 7:47:11 PM PST by fishhound
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Just when France becomes an ally again. 1st Armored is over in Germany still. Wonder if the libs would freak if we sent them to Paris to help?


2 posted on 11/27/2007 7:49:13 PM PST by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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To: neodad

pictures

http://www.iht.com/slideshows/2007/11/27/europe/27parisriot-photos.php


3 posted on 11/27/2007 7:51:10 PM PST by fishhound
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To: fishhound

How long until this date becomes an official “holy day” for all the Islamic Satan-worshipers?


4 posted on 11/27/2007 7:51:19 PM PST by TheBattman (Duncan Hunter '08)
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To: fishhound

The IHT, a fully owned New York Times subordinate, tries to make Sarkozy look bad with its headline. “Paris suburb riots called ‘a lot worse’ than in 2005.”

But what the police spokesman was really talking about is the line that was crossed, and the possible consequences to come. Because Sarkozy isn’t Chirac, and won’t let this continue.

I think he’s preparing the French people for a police response.


5 posted on 11/27/2007 7:52:14 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: fishhound
Watch for sympathetic riots to erupt else where!
6 posted on 11/27/2007 7:53:45 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: fishhound
I recently read that the majority of the French are supporting Sarkozy in his fight with the labor unions.I wonder if they’d also support him if he went after these “youths”.
7 posted on 11/27/2007 7:53:51 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Wanna see how bad it can get? Elect Hillary and find out.)
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To: fishhound
"From what our colleagues on the scene tell us, this is a situation that is a lot worse than what we saw in 2005," Patrice Ribeiro, a police officer and senior union official, told RTL radio Tuesday. He added, "A line was crossed last night, that is to say, they used weapons, they used weapons and fired on the police. This is a real guerrilla war."

Why not they got away with it in 2005
8 posted on 11/27/2007 7:53:56 PM PST by uncbob (m first)
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To: fishhound

the one in the black/white shirt is dressed appropriately (at least from the waist up)
9 posted on 11/27/2007 7:54:52 PM PST by robomatik
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To: Cicero
Sarkozy is no Chirac. He is not likely to let this stand. I would expect a very strong response from the police and government. Like Reagan’s response to the air traffic controllers when they went on strike. Different situation here but Sarkozy is the type to have a similar, surprisingly firm response.
10 posted on 11/27/2007 7:55:43 PM PST by tips up
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To: TheBattman

It is the beginning of the season for Christmas and that is reason enough for ROP maniacs..


11 posted on 11/27/2007 7:56:43 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: fishhound
This time, hunting shotguns, as well as gasoline bombs and rocks, have been turned on the police.

I imagine the French solution to this will be to disarm the real French.

12 posted on 11/27/2007 7:58:32 PM PST by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: fishhound

France should turn to the actions of Charles Martel..


13 posted on 11/27/2007 7:58:39 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: fishhound
From a Babelfish translation of Le Monde:

The correctional court of Pontoise ordered, Tuesday, the placement under committal order of eight marked young men to have taken part in violences which took place with Villiers-the-Beautiful, in the night of Sunday to Monday. Four of between-them were condemned right now to sorrows going from three to ten months of prison. The prevented lawsuit of the four others, old of 19 to 24 years, was returned to December 28 or January 4, with their request or because it missed parts in the file. - (With AFP.)

It seems that they've already sentenced four of the yutes to jail for last weekend's riots. Justice seems to move a little faster under the new president.

14 posted on 11/27/2007 7:58:43 PM PST by VanShuyten ("Believe me or not, his intelligence was perfectly clear...But his soul was mad.")
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To: fishhound

If they are using weapons, it is time to fire back.


15 posted on 11/27/2007 7:59:34 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
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To: fishhound

To paraphrase General U.S.Grant,stop worrying about what they are going to do to you and start thinking about what you’re going to do to them.Now get some guns up here!The police have GOT to crush this now,or all these scum are going to rise up.


16 posted on 11/27/2007 7:59:57 PM PST by Farmer Dean (168 grains of instant conflict resolution)
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To: fishhound

The French police need two weapons.

One is called superslick, which makes concrete or asphalt too slippery to walk on. With a few police spraying it, the rioters cannot cross that line except on their hands and knees. With a little prior planning, they can arrest everyone in the riot. You box them in, then advance with special shoes that can walk over it, spraying in front of you. The rioters all fall down.

The other is “sticky foam”, large quantities of which can be sprayed at the rioters, utterly immobilizing them in goo that can only be removed with solvents. The US Marines used it with some success in Somalia.

In either case, a riot of 300 “youths” results in 300 arrests, which ends any value in rioting at all. They lose both their anonymity and their ability to escape.


17 posted on 11/27/2007 8:00:44 PM PST by Popocatapetl
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To: fishhound
...hunting shotguns...

Now they've done it. Use of a shotgun for other than it's intended purpose must be a serious offense. Unless.. could they be shotguns for hunting police? But then how did the reporter know what kind of shotguns they were using?

18 posted on 11/27/2007 8:01:25 PM PST by FreePaul
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To: fishhound

I think it is time for the police to start using some “excessive” force to soften up these punks.


19 posted on 11/27/2007 8:01:43 PM PST by TheLion (How about "Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement," for a change)
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To: fishhound

An old axiom … from years ago … shoot two or three, and the rest will go home. Problem solved. Heartless as it may sound, sometimes, death in the eyes of the idealistic can garner peace.


20 posted on 11/27/2007 8:02:28 PM PST by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: fishhound

Load up with rubber bullets.


21 posted on 11/27/2007 8:03:25 PM PST by Nachum
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To: fishhound
Public library burned by Muslims

22 posted on 11/27/2007 8:04:52 PM PST by iowamark
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To: TheLion

The French are a very proud people.

Well, ok they’re arrogant. But they’re very proud. It would not surprize this poster one bit, if the very same whine and cheese crowd which has complained about Bush for the last decade — were to suddenly erupt in a countrywide wave of support for Zarkozy if he comes down like a ton of bricks on the rioters.

I really think the French don’t so much mind cowboy diplomacy. What bugs them, is when Americans get to do it all.

Time for Zarkozy to respond big.


23 posted on 11/27/2007 8:04:59 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (Berlin Olympics 1936 = Beijing Olympics 2008)
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To: Cicero
I was in Paris for a week last month on business. It's a beautiful city and reminds me of the upper East Side and West Sides of NYC.

I saw one Moslem in the city, an elderly man.

I pray these riots stay in the suburbs (this riot is west of Charles DeGalle AP). If these weapons find there way into the city, the foundations of this society will shake.

I don't believe Sarkozy will allow that to happen. If the police start shooting utes in the banlieux, the outcome is unknown. Either it escalates or is suppressed (only to erupt no doubt in the future).

24 posted on 11/27/2007 8:06:48 PM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: fishhound

This should be on cnn nbc cbs pmsnbc pbs abc but all I hear is crickets. Socialism Does Not Work.


25 posted on 11/27/2007 8:07:30 PM PST by mirkwood
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To: fishhound

Pictures of a burned library! I thought this was the wisest and most learned religion in the world, oh wait, they’ve been doing this since they destroyed the Library of Alexandria..religion of peace, yeah........


26 posted on 11/27/2007 8:08:51 PM PST by redstateconfidential (If you are the smartest person in the room,you are hanging out with the wrong people.)
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To: tips up

“Sarkozy is no Chirac. He is not likely to let this stand. I would expect a very strong response from the police and government. Like Reagan’s response to the air traffic controllers when they went on strike. Different situation here but Sarkozy is the type to have a similar, surprisingly firm response.”


Like the stoners used to say..relax man take a chill pill.


27 posted on 11/27/2007 8:10:29 PM PST by mirkwood
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To: sheik yerbouty

Charles the “HAMMER”, may he return!


28 posted on 11/27/2007 8:11:26 PM PST by redstateconfidential (If you are the smartest person in the room,you are hanging out with the wrong people.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

But French intellectuals won’t like it if Sarkozy comes down hard on the yutes. They’ll say he’s being Hitler. That being said, I can’t believe the French have put up with this nonsense for so long. Time to crack a few skulls.


29 posted on 11/27/2007 8:12:25 PM PST by boop (Who doesn't love poison pot pies?)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Societies need to have laws and rules. These people don’t seem to respect either. Personally, I think they need to be rounded up and put in prison....but that is just me.

Zarkozy’s response will be very interesting.


30 posted on 11/27/2007 8:12:31 PM PST by TheLion (How about "Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement," for a change)
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To: mirkwood

I haven’t heard it on Fox (altho I admit I don’t keep it on all the time anymore—I’m so tired of the murder of the week stuff).
susie


31 posted on 11/27/2007 8:14:51 PM PST by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: iowamark

Wow. They will pay for this.


32 posted on 11/27/2007 8:14:59 PM PST by txhurl (Yes there were WMDs)
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To: boop

But French intellectuals won’t like it if Sarkozy comes down hard on the yutes. They’ll say he’s being Hitler.

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Not a problem. Sarkozy need only explain to the French intellectuals he’s not being Hitler, he’s being Stalin.


33 posted on 11/27/2007 8:16:07 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (Berlin Olympics 1936 = Beijing Olympics 2008)
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To: redstateconfidential

How many burnt out cars and shops do you have to walk past on the way to work each day before you realize...you country has fallen into anarchy.

http://img.iht.com/images/2007/11/27/27parisss3-garbagetrucka.jpg


34 posted on 11/27/2007 8:24:35 PM PST by fishhound
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

As I recall, the violence last time reached into one of the main Paris metro stations.

Now I’m curious. Who would be crazy enough to park their cars on the streets of the Muslim banlieux? Are they burning their own families’ cars?


35 posted on 11/27/2007 8:25:02 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: fishhound

I heard on the radio that the “youths” have been joined by organized gangs, whatever that means.

Also, I seem to remember the rioting lasting more than three weeks, and as having been revived sporadicly ever since.


36 posted on 11/27/2007 8:29:36 PM PST by Eva
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To: Popocatapetl

But where is the victory in arresting all of them, only to grant them lifetime increased welfare checks and concessions, since the French obviously have mucked up severely in failing to provide assimilation for these rampant youths? There needs to be a volley of real lead bullets, followed by a volley of buses stopping just outside the border of France to disembark passengers.


37 posted on 11/27/2007 8:31:06 PM PST by Sender (You are the weapon. What you hold in your hand is just a tool.)
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To: fishhound

Sarkozy better not be all talk. Who runs the show, the islamofacist punks, or you Sarkozy? Put some of these kids in the paddy wagon, if they are felons, trouble makers, then DEPORT them back with their parents to the shit hole country they came from. And if they fire at cops, fire back, with live rounds. Be the man...


38 posted on 11/27/2007 8:33:05 PM PST by Professional
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Ribeiro warned that the police, who have struggled to avoid excessive force, would not be fired upon indefinitely without responding.

LMAO!
Frank Rizzo this guy ain't.

39 posted on 11/27/2007 8:37:00 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Professional

Otherwise, it will just go on and on and on...


40 posted on 11/27/2007 8:37:06 PM PST by fishhound
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To: Popocatapetl

Let’s not forget the new heat ray the DoD is introducing to Iraq.


41 posted on 11/27/2007 8:37:08 PM PST by steel_resolve (If you can't stand behind our troops, then please stand in front...)
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To: iowamark

Reminds me of the Alexandria Library.

Playbook hasnt changed much has it?


42 posted on 11/27/2007 8:39:35 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: fishhound

Look at how smug, arrogant those muslim punks are, dancing on the cop car. That is their attitude about their new land, free coutnry they live in. Welfare, steal, cheat, lazy little punks. They are like that everywhere in W europe, and equally DESPISED. I’m Swedish, my relatives over their keep me informed about what is going on.


43 posted on 11/27/2007 8:40:04 PM PST by Professional
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To: Professional

That’s a police car?

I thought it was a croissant.


44 posted on 11/27/2007 8:42:48 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (Berlin Olympics 1936 = Beijing Olympics 2008)
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To: fishhound

Interesting. Thanks for posting. BTTT!


45 posted on 11/27/2007 8:45:45 PM PST by PGalt
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To: fishhound

...shoot back for crying out loud!....it’s sad to see a once proud Christian nation reduced to such cowardice....the West is going to have to eventually have to stand and fight Islam some time.....might as well start now.


46 posted on 11/27/2007 8:46:55 PM PST by STONEWALLS
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To: fishhound

My wife is Italian, and has many relatives in Europe (mostly Milan and outside London). Here’s her take on the current problems with the Moslems:

Soon there will come a point when the European cultural response will emerge, as it has done in the past. Expect mass expulsions of people, ethnic cleansing, supernationistic movements, and some kind of “loyalty” testing to confirm who is who and what is what. She says that the current liberal-socialist veneer over the Continent is a thin sheet that hides centuries of ruthlessness and bloodshed, and that very soon the Moslems will “get it in the neck,” as she says it (apparently that’s an old Italian saying).

We’ll see.


47 posted on 11/27/2007 8:47:27 PM PST by redpoll
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To: Professional

Sweden has huge problems.


48 posted on 11/27/2007 8:47:44 PM PST by fishhound
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To: fishhound; cyborg
Parisien riots in 2005 and 2007: Terrible.
Parisien honeymoon during the quiet of 2006: priceless!
49 posted on 11/27/2007 8:48:16 PM PST by Petronski (Reject the liberal troika: romney, giuliani, mccain)
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I hope she is right.

“get it in the neck,”

we use “two in the capi.”


50 posted on 11/27/2007 8:49:13 PM PST by fishhound
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