Skip to comments.Paris suburb riots called 'a lot worse' than in 2005
Posted on 11/27/2007 7:47:10 PM PST by fishhound
PARIS: The rituals and acts of rage have an eerie sameness to them: roving gangs of angry youths clashing with the riot police in France's edgy suburbs, the government appealing for calm, local officials and residents complaining that their problems are ignored.
Two years after an orgy of violence in which rioters in more than 300 suburbs and towns torched cars, trashed businesses and ambushed the riot police and firefighters, Villiers-le-Bel and several nearby suburbs of Paris similarly have erupted in violence and destruction.
In one sense, the unrest seems to be more menacing than during the early days of the three weeks of rioting in 2005. Then, the youth seemed disorganized, their destruction largely caused by rock-throwing and arson and aimed at the closest and easiest targets, like cars. This time, hunting shotguns, as well as gasoline bombs and rocks, have been turned on the police.
"From what our colleagues on the scene tell us, this is a situation that is a lot worse than what we saw in 2005," Patrice Ribeiro, a police officer and senior union official, told RTL radio Tuesday. He added, "A line was crossed last night, that is to say, they used weapons, they used weapons and fired on the police. This is a real guerrilla war."
Ribeiro warned that the police, who have struggled to avoid excessive force, would not be fired upon indefinitely without responding.
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Just when France becomes an ally again. 1st Armored is over in Germany still. Wonder if the libs would freak if we sent them to Paris to help?
How long until this date becomes an official “holy day” for all the Islamic Satan-worshipers?
The IHT, a fully owned New York Times subordinate, tries to make Sarkozy look bad with its headline. “Paris suburb riots called ‘a lot worse’ than in 2005.”
But what the police spokesman was really talking about is the line that was crossed, and the possible consequences to come. Because Sarkozy isn’t Chirac, and won’t let this continue.
I think he’s preparing the French people for a police response.
It is the beginning of the season for Christmas and that is reason enough for ROP maniacs..
I imagine the French solution to this will be to disarm the real French.
France should turn to the actions of Charles Martel..
The correctional court of Pontoise ordered, Tuesday, the placement under committal order of eight marked young men to have taken part in violences which took place with Villiers-the-Beautiful, in the night of Sunday to Monday. Four of between-them were condemned right now to sorrows going from three to ten months of prison. The prevented lawsuit of the four others, old of 19 to 24 years, was returned to December 28 or January 4, with their request or because it missed parts in the file. - (With AFP.)
It seems that they've already sentenced four of the yutes to jail for last weekend's riots. Justice seems to move a little faster under the new president.
If they are using weapons, it is time to fire back.
To paraphrase General U.S.Grant,stop worrying about what they are going to do to you and start thinking about what you’re going to do to them.Now get some guns up here!The police have GOT to crush this now,or all these scum are going to rise up.
The French police need two weapons.
One is called superslick, which makes concrete or asphalt too slippery to walk on. With a few police spraying it, the rioters cannot cross that line except on their hands and knees. With a little prior planning, they can arrest everyone in the riot. You box them in, then advance with special shoes that can walk over it, spraying in front of you. The rioters all fall down.
The other is “sticky foam”, large quantities of which can be sprayed at the rioters, utterly immobilizing them in goo that can only be removed with solvents. The US Marines used it with some success in Somalia.
In either case, a riot of 300 “youths” results in 300 arrests, which ends any value in rioting at all. They lose both their anonymity and their ability to escape.
Now they've done it. Use of a shotgun for other than it's intended purpose must be a serious offense. Unless.. could they be shotguns for hunting police? But then how did the reporter know what kind of shotguns they were using?
I think it is time for the police to start using some “excessive” force to soften up these punks.
An old axiom from years ago shoot two or three, and the rest will go home. Problem solved. Heartless as it may sound, sometimes, death in the eyes of the idealistic can garner peace.
Load up with rubber bullets.
The French are a very proud people.
Well, ok they’re arrogant. But they’re very proud. It would not surprize this poster one bit, if the very same whine and cheese crowd which has complained about Bush for the last decade — were to suddenly erupt in a countrywide wave of support for Zarkozy if he comes down like a ton of bricks on the rioters.
I really think the French don’t so much mind cowboy diplomacy. What bugs them, is when Americans get to do it all.
Time for Zarkozy to respond big.
I saw one Moslem in the city, an elderly man.
I pray these riots stay in the suburbs (this riot is west of Charles DeGalle AP). If these weapons find there way into the city, the foundations of this society will shake.
I don't believe Sarkozy will allow that to happen. If the police start shooting utes in the banlieux, the outcome is unknown. Either it escalates or is suppressed (only to erupt no doubt in the future).
This should be on cnn nbc cbs pmsnbc pbs abc but all I hear is crickets. Socialism Does Not Work.
Pictures of a burned library! I thought this was the wisest and most learned religion in the world, oh wait, they’ve been doing this since they destroyed the Library of Alexandria..religion of peace, yeah........
“Sarkozy is no Chirac. He is not likely to let this stand. I would expect a very strong response from the police and government. Like Reagans response to the air traffic controllers when they went on strike. Different situation here but Sarkozy is the type to have a similar, surprisingly firm response.”
Charles the “HAMMER”, may he return!
But French intellectuals won’t like it if Sarkozy comes down hard on the yutes. They’ll say he’s being Hitler. That being said, I can’t believe the French have put up with this nonsense for so long. Time to crack a few skulls.
Societies need to have laws and rules. These people don’t seem to respect either. Personally, I think they need to be rounded up and put in prison....but that is just me.
Zarkozy’s response will be very interesting.
I haven’t heard it on Fox (altho I admit I don’t keep it on all the time anymore—I’m so tired of the murder of the week stuff).
Wow. They will pay for this.
But French intellectuals wont like it if Sarkozy comes down hard on the yutes. Theyll say hes being Hitler.
Not a problem. Sarkozy need only explain to the French intellectuals he’s not being Hitler, he’s being Stalin.
How many burnt out cars and shops do you have to walk past on the way to work each day before you realize...you country has fallen into anarchy.
As I recall, the violence last time reached into one of the main Paris metro stations.
Now I’m curious. Who would be crazy enough to park their cars on the streets of the Muslim banlieux? Are they burning their own families’ cars?
I heard on the radio that the “youths” have been joined by organized gangs, whatever that means.
Also, I seem to remember the rioting lasting more than three weeks, and as having been revived sporadicly ever since.
But where is the victory in arresting all of them, only to grant them lifetime increased welfare checks and concessions, since the French obviously have mucked up severely in failing to provide assimilation for these rampant youths? There needs to be a volley of real lead bullets, followed by a volley of buses stopping just outside the border of France to disembark passengers.
Sarkozy better not be all talk. Who runs the show, the islamofacist punks, or you Sarkozy? Put some of these kids in the paddy wagon, if they are felons, trouble makers, then DEPORT them back with their parents to the shit hole country they came from. And if they fire at cops, fire back, with live rounds. Be the man...
Frank Rizzo this guy ain't.
Otherwise, it will just go on and on and on...
Let’s not forget the new heat ray the DoD is introducing to Iraq.
Reminds me of the Alexandria Library.
Playbook hasnt changed much has it?
Look at how smug, arrogant those muslim punks are, dancing on the cop car. That is their attitude about their new land, free coutnry they live in. Welfare, steal, cheat, lazy little punks. They are like that everywhere in W europe, and equally DESPISED. I’m Swedish, my relatives over their keep me informed about what is going on.
That’s a police car?
I thought it was a croissant.
Interesting. Thanks for posting. BTTT!
...shoot back for crying out loud!....it’s sad to see a once proud Christian nation reduced to such cowardice....the West is going to have to eventually have to stand and fight Islam some time.....might as well start now.
My wife is Italian, and has many relatives in Europe (mostly Milan and outside London). Here’s her take on the current problems with the Moslems:
Soon there will come a point when the European cultural response will emerge, as it has done in the past. Expect mass expulsions of people, ethnic cleansing, supernationistic movements, and some kind of “loyalty” testing to confirm who is who and what is what. She says that the current liberal-socialist veneer over the Continent is a thin sheet that hides centuries of ruthlessness and bloodshed, and that very soon the Moslems will “get it in the neck,” as she says it (apparently that’s an old Italian saying).
Sweden has huge problems.
I hope she is right.
get it in the neck,
we use “two in the capi.”