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Paris suburb riots called 'a lot worse' than in 2005
Int'l Herald Tribune/NYT ^ | November 27, 2007 | Elaine Sciolino

Posted on 11/27/2007 7:47:10 PM PST by fishhound

PARIS: The rituals and acts of rage have an eerie sameness to them: roving gangs of angry youths clashing with the riot police in France's edgy suburbs, the government appealing for calm, local officials and residents complaining that their problems are ignored.

Two years after an orgy of violence in which rioters in more than 300 suburbs and towns torched cars, trashed businesses and ambushed the riot police and firefighters, Villiers-le-Bel and several nearby suburbs of Paris similarly have erupted in violence and destruction.

In one sense, the unrest seems to be more menacing than during the early days of the three weeks of rioting in 2005. Then, the youth seemed disorganized, their destruction largely caused by rock-throwing and arson and aimed at the closest and easiest targets, like cars. This time, hunting shotguns, as well as gasoline bombs and rocks, have been turned on the police.

"From what our colleagues on the scene tell us, this is a situation that is a lot worse than what we saw in 2005," Patrice Ribeiro, a police officer and senior union official, told RTL radio Tuesday. He added, "A line was crossed last night, that is to say, they used weapons, they used weapons and fired on the police. This is a real guerrilla war."

Ribeiro warned that the police, who have struggled to avoid excessive force, would not be fired upon indefinitely without responding.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: france; parisriots; rop; shotguns; youths
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"A line was crossed last night, that is to say, they used weapons, they used weapons and fired on the police. This is a real guerrilla war."
1 posted on 11/27/2007 7:47:11 PM PST by fishhound
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Just when France becomes an ally again. 1st Armored is over in Germany still. Wonder if the libs would freak if we sent them to Paris to help?


2 posted on 11/27/2007 7:49:13 PM PST by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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pictures

http://www.iht.com/slideshows/2007/11/27/europe/27parisriot-photos.php


3 posted on 11/27/2007 7:51:10 PM PST by fishhound
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To: fishhound

How long until this date becomes an official “holy day” for all the Islamic Satan-worshipers?


4 posted on 11/27/2007 7:51:19 PM PST by TheBattman (Duncan Hunter '08)
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To: fishhound

The IHT, a fully owned New York Times subordinate, tries to make Sarkozy look bad with its headline. “Paris suburb riots called ‘a lot worse’ than in 2005.”

But what the police spokesman was really talking about is the line that was crossed, and the possible consequences to come. Because Sarkozy isn’t Chirac, and won’t let this continue.

I think he’s preparing the French people for a police response.


5 posted on 11/27/2007 7:52:14 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: fishhound
Watch for sympathetic riots to erupt else where!
6 posted on 11/27/2007 7:53:45 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: fishhound
I recently read that the majority of the French are supporting Sarkozy in his fight with the labor unions.I wonder if they’d also support him if he went after these “youths”.
7 posted on 11/27/2007 7:53:51 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Wanna see how bad it can get? Elect Hillary and find out.)
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"From what our colleagues on the scene tell us, this is a situation that is a lot worse than what we saw in 2005," Patrice Ribeiro, a police officer and senior union official, told RTL radio Tuesday. He added, "A line was crossed last night, that is to say, they used weapons, they used weapons and fired on the police. This is a real guerrilla war."

Why not they got away with it in 2005
8 posted on 11/27/2007 7:53:56 PM PST by uncbob (m first)
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To: fishhound

the one in the black/white shirt is dressed appropriately (at least from the waist up)
9 posted on 11/27/2007 7:54:52 PM PST by robomatik
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Sarkozy is no Chirac. He is not likely to let this stand. I would expect a very strong response from the police and government. Like Reagan’s response to the air traffic controllers when they went on strike. Different situation here but Sarkozy is the type to have a similar, surprisingly firm response.
10 posted on 11/27/2007 7:55:43 PM PST by tips up
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To: TheBattman

It is the beginning of the season for Christmas and that is reason enough for ROP maniacs..


11 posted on 11/27/2007 7:56:43 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: fishhound
This time, hunting shotguns, as well as gasoline bombs and rocks, have been turned on the police.

I imagine the French solution to this will be to disarm the real French.

12 posted on 11/27/2007 7:58:32 PM PST by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: fishhound

France should turn to the actions of Charles Martel..


13 posted on 11/27/2007 7:58:39 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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From a Babelfish translation of Le Monde:

The correctional court of Pontoise ordered, Tuesday, the placement under committal order of eight marked young men to have taken part in violences which took place with Villiers-the-Beautiful, in the night of Sunday to Monday. Four of between-them were condemned right now to sorrows going from three to ten months of prison. The prevented lawsuit of the four others, old of 19 to 24 years, was returned to December 28 or January 4, with their request or because it missed parts in the file. - (With AFP.)

It seems that they've already sentenced four of the yutes to jail for last weekend's riots. Justice seems to move a little faster under the new president.

14 posted on 11/27/2007 7:58:43 PM PST by VanShuyten ("Believe me or not, his intelligence was perfectly clear...But his soul was mad.")
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To: fishhound

If they are using weapons, it is time to fire back.


15 posted on 11/27/2007 7:59:34 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
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To: fishhound

To paraphrase General U.S.Grant,stop worrying about what they are going to do to you and start thinking about what you’re going to do to them.Now get some guns up here!The police have GOT to crush this now,or all these scum are going to rise up.


16 posted on 11/27/2007 7:59:57 PM PST by Farmer Dean (168 grains of instant conflict resolution)
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The French police need two weapons.

One is called superslick, which makes concrete or asphalt too slippery to walk on. With a few police spraying it, the rioters cannot cross that line except on their hands and knees. With a little prior planning, they can arrest everyone in the riot. You box them in, then advance with special shoes that can walk over it, spraying in front of you. The rioters all fall down.

The other is “sticky foam”, large quantities of which can be sprayed at the rioters, utterly immobilizing them in goo that can only be removed with solvents. The US Marines used it with some success in Somalia.

In either case, a riot of 300 “youths” results in 300 arrests, which ends any value in rioting at all. They lose both their anonymity and their ability to escape.


17 posted on 11/27/2007 8:00:44 PM PST by Popocatapetl
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...hunting shotguns...

Now they've done it. Use of a shotgun for other than it's intended purpose must be a serious offense. Unless.. could they be shotguns for hunting police? But then how did the reporter know what kind of shotguns they were using?

18 posted on 11/27/2007 8:01:25 PM PST by FreePaul
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To: fishhound

I think it is time for the police to start using some “excessive” force to soften up these punks.


19 posted on 11/27/2007 8:01:43 PM PST by TheLion (How about "Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement," for a change)
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To: fishhound

An old axiom … from years ago … shoot two or three, and the rest will go home. Problem solved. Heartless as it may sound, sometimes, death in the eyes of the idealistic can garner peace.


20 posted on 11/27/2007 8:02:28 PM PST by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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