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Colleges must admit illegal immigrants
Raleigh News Observer, Charlotte Observer ^ | 11/28/07 | Mark Johnson

Posted on 11/28/2007 4:58:08 AM PST by AT7Saluki

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I'm stumped. What exactly does "illegal" mean again?
1 posted on 11/28/2007 4:58:09 AM PST by AT7Saluki
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I'm stumped. What exactly does "illegal" mean again?

Having the right to everything you want.

2 posted on 11/28/2007 4:59:25 AM PST by Long Island Pete
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To: AT7Saluki

And at what rate? In state? Does my daughter qualify? And if not, why not?

How does a lawyer get to make blanket statements like this?


3 posted on 11/28/2007 5:04:25 AM PST by doodad
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To: Long Island Pete

...and having your money taken in order to provide them their “rights”. The war is coming.


4 posted on 11/28/2007 5:04:38 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: AT7Saluki

“David Sullivan, the system’s top lawyer, dispatched a memo this month telling the community colleges that state regulations require the schools to admit illegal immigrants who meet the schools’ basic requirements of being either a high school graduate or an adult in need of skills training.”

I’m guessing he graduated from the same community college system.


5 posted on 11/28/2007 5:05:27 AM PST by Slapshot68
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To: AT7Saluki

Let them come and register,it could be an I.N.S. sting like the cops use with the free Super Bowl tickets to catch fugitives!


6 posted on 11/28/2007 5:05:29 AM PST by bonehead4freedom (I need a good tag line!)
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To: AT7Saluki

Soooo...just exactly how much of “we the people’s” Federal dollars do these colleges presently receive...?!!!


7 posted on 11/28/2007 5:06:06 AM PST by mo
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To: Long Island Pete

Like it or lump it, if these people are going to stay here, then you must mainstream them into US society; otherwise you’ll have a Quebec situation.

If they are not all going to be rounded up in some kind of mass deportation (and they are not), then not helping them enter the mainstream is just shooting ourselves in the foot,
and insuring that there will a large mass of unassimilated
people for the next generation to contend with.


8 posted on 11/28/2007 5:06:22 AM PST by CondorFlight (I)
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To: AT7Saluki

I’m in favor of offering illegals FREE tuition...provided the schools are also required to report them to the cops.


9 posted on 11/28/2007 5:06:35 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Mitt is the Kama Sutra of Republican politics. Huckabee is Sandra Day O'Connor.)
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To: AT7Saluki

No colleges do not have to admit illegals. Illegal aliens should not even be in this country and should be quickly deproted.


10 posted on 11/28/2007 5:06:53 AM PST by Dante3
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To: AT7Saluki

Since when was a degree needed to pick lettuce?


11 posted on 11/28/2007 5:07:51 AM PST by Eye of Unk
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"I can't believe North Carolina taxpayers would be asked to pay for the education of people who are in this state illegally."

Duh, Senator! How do you think they got their high school diplomas? (Hint: Taxpayer supported schools ...)

12 posted on 11/28/2007 5:08:19 AM PST by Tax-chick (Every committee wants to take over the world.)
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To: AT7Saluki

Admit them, and then fax their course schedule to Homeland Security, so they will know when to pick them up. Not that they ever would.


13 posted on 11/28/2007 5:08:39 AM PST by NavVet (O)
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To: CondorFlight

Actually, no. If you do not provide services and make it too costly for people to hire them, they will return to Mexico.

If we support illegal aliens, we are supporting criminals. No ifs, ands, or buts.


14 posted on 11/28/2007 5:09:39 AM PST by hocndoc (http://www.lifeethics.org/www.lifeethics.org/index.html)
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To: AT7Saluki

Note to self-

Go to North Carolina for education.

Leave documentation behind (won’t need/ want it)


15 posted on 11/28/2007 5:10:27 AM PST by MacDorcha (We have been at war with this mindset since before the Socratic method was borne.)
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The North Carolina colleges will be overwhelmed by student refugees from Maryland.


16 posted on 11/28/2007 5:10:37 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Moveon is not us...... Moveon is the enemy)
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To: AT7Saluki

Interesting. I wonder if they would order their affiliated colleges to admit O.J. Simpson were he to enroll??

If not, they have created a major problem for themselves.


17 posted on 11/28/2007 5:12:51 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: CondorFlight
then you must mainstream them into US society

And how is that done? Is it done by force or funding? You can lead a horse to water...

18 posted on 11/28/2007 5:14:24 AM PST by Long Island Pete
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To: CondorFlight
then you must mainstream them into US society;

Their stated goal is NOT to mainstream into our society.

19 posted on 11/28/2007 5:17:02 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: CondorFlight
"If they are not all going to be rounded up in some kind of mass deportation (and they are not), then not helping them enter the mainstream is just shooting ourselves in the foot, and insuring that there will a large mass of unassimilated people for the next generation to contend with."

Ah, the phrase used by the left to stop debate. How many people do you actually know that believe we should round them up?

The real answer is much more cost effective and very simple. Simply turn off the employment, health care, education magnets and they will find their way back home.

Fine businesses that employ them. Stop mandating schools teach them. Stop paying their health care. Stop Press 1 for English and just demand English be used.

20 posted on 11/28/2007 5:18:56 AM PST by Wurlitzer (Democrats= Phony Americans)
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David Sullivan, the system's top lawyer, dispatched a memo this month telling the community colleges that state regulations require the schools to admit illegal immigrants who meet the schools' basic requirements of being either a high school graduate or an adult in need of skills training.

Who exactly writes these "state regulations"? If they're written and approved by the NC Legislature, then one would think that the Legislature could tweak the regulations so that this is not permitted. And they should.

21 posted on 11/28/2007 5:19:19 AM PST by randita
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To: Slapshot68

Anyone who comes into the country lacking in skills should qualify as being in need of skills training. Coming next: requiring colleges to provide courses in Spanish, for illegals who can’t handle classes taught in English.


22 posted on 11/28/2007 5:22:37 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: AT7Saluki

bump


23 posted on 11/28/2007 5:24:44 AM PST by lowbridge
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To: CondorFlight
If they are not all going to be rounded up in some kind of mass deportation (and they are not), then not helping them enter the mainstream is just shooting ourselves in the foot, and insuring that there will a large mass of unassimilated people for the next generation to contend with.

I disagree. The problem is here now and we are having to contend with it now.

If we endorse their illegal activities in this way, it only aggravates the problem and is not a viable solution. Illegals are a significant problem because the bulk of their "documentation" is purchased forgeries. As a result, how do they prove that they graduated from high school, one of the primary prerequisites to being admitted? Also, how does the college verify that the high school is accredited and that the illegal was required to meet the same (or similar) standards for graduation as his/her American counterparts?

If we "mainstream" illegals so that they won't continue to be a problem in the future, why not do the same for the criminals we have in this country that are currently behind bars? By ignoring one criminal act (or, actually, a series of criminal acts, in the case of illegals), why shouldn't we ignore the criminal acts of robbers, drug dealers, carjackers, muggers and rapists? What's the difference between the criminal acts?

If we don't draw a line in the sand to stop mainstreaming illegals, we abdicate every opportunity we have to encourage the illegals to return home by denying them access to mainstream activities and by discouraging the behavior.

24 posted on 11/28/2007 5:30:28 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: CondorFlight

Like it or lump it, if these people are going to stay here, then you must mainstream them into US society; otherwise you’ll have a Quebec situation.

If they are not all going to be rounded up in some kind of mass deportation (and they are not), then not helping them enter the mainstream is just shooting ourselves in the foot,
and insuring that there will a large mass of unassimilated
people for the next generation to contend with.

***********************

You mean Amnesty.


25 posted on 11/28/2007 5:35:58 AM PST by Hunterite
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To: AT7Saluki
I'm stumped. What exactly does "illegal" mean again?

It means "you are welcome here", no need to speak English as we will provide translators. Actually, I'm not surprised with the current $leazly administration. All they know is how to tax residents and give to illegals.

Last year as I was walking into a Taco Bell (it was early December), I witnessed a group of them filling out employment applications with the help of an employee that was translating for them. They were still dressed in sandles, shorts and t-shirts with a light jacket over them. I gave them a dirty look, turned around and walked away. They are all over the place down here and nothing is being done about it.

26 posted on 11/28/2007 5:44:57 AM PST by JEC ((Pray for ALL our troops))
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...then not helping them enter the mainstream is just shooting ourselves in the foot,...<./i>

instant access to the taxpayers pockets is not "helping" them, it's giving them an instant "right-to-welfare" mentality.

27 posted on 11/28/2007 5:50:35 AM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: AT7Saluki
North Carolina is the same state that tried to pass legislation through their house to get illegal immagrants into state schools. Here is another case where they can’t legislate so they will judiciate the law.

Lets remember a few things about N.C.:

1. Incoming freshman are required to pick from a list of books in which they must write an essay on. This list includes Quranic verses from Mohammed’s peaceful years.

2. The NC Supreme Court upheld a ruling in which a witness in court can swear on a Quran.

3. The newly formed and touted “for the schools” lottery has been the cause of scandal after scandal. A vast majority of the money from the proceeds of the lottery not entirely going to schools.

4. Even though every citizen in NC is charged/taxed for their motor vehicles for the repair/maintenance/upkeep of roads in that state, NC still feels it necessary to make the major north-south artery through NC a very expensive toll road. NC has some of the worse roads in the union.

5. NC, for public schools, is among the bottom ranked for education across the United States. This does not include their colleges.

6. For illegal immigrants, it is very easy to obtain a driver’s license. There have been reported cases in which these illegal immigrants have been transported to the state to get a driver’s license.

7. Jim Black (democrat) is going to jail.

28 posted on 11/28/2007 5:51:01 AM PST by zaxtres
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To: Hunterite
Why should working class/blue collar people subsidize collage people at all?

What business is it, in this wealthy country, for one group of people to have to subsidize another adults education?

Have you noticed that defense weapons, medical care and education cost rise 8-10 percent a year? Wonder why? Maybe we should pump more money into them.

29 posted on 11/28/2007 5:53:27 AM PST by Leisler (RNC, RINO National Committee. Always was, always will be.)
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To: CondorFlight
Like it or lump it, if these people are going to stay here, then you must mainstream them into US society; otherwise you’ll have a Quebec situation.

If they are not all going to be rounded up in some kind of mass deportation (and they are not), then not helping them enter the mainstream is just shooting ourselves in the foot, and insuring that there will a large mass of unassimilated people for the next generation to contend with.

That same rationale was used in the 1986 amnesty. It doesn't work. The USG estimated that one million would apply, but it wound up that three million applied. Here we are 21 years later with 13 to 20 million illegals. And if we legalize their status [helping them enter the mainstream], they will be able to bring in tens of millions more thru chain migration and family reunification.

What kind of message does this send to the millions of people waiting in line to get into this country legally? What kind of message does it send to those who want to get in here illegally? And what does it say about the rule of law?

We can have attrition thru enforcement. And before we do anything about those already here, we need to secure our borders, including establishing a system to track and deport visa overstays. Rewarding people who have broken our laws in multiple ways, i.e., illegal entry, ID theft, failure to pay taxes, etc. is not the way to deal with criminals.

30 posted on 11/28/2007 5:53:54 AM PST by kabar
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To: AT7Saluki

Interesting that a board of college Utopian fuzzies have the power to overrule federal law. RICO, anyone?


31 posted on 11/28/2007 5:54:59 AM PST by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: AT7Saluki

QUISLING: a synonym for traitor, someone who collaborates with the invaders of his country.

U.S. Constitution, Article 4 Section 4:

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government,

and shall protect each of them against Invasion;"


Invasion: \In*va"sion\, n. [L. invasio: cf. F. invasion. See Invade.] [1913 Webster]

1. The act of invading; the act of encroaching upon the rights or possessions of another; encroachment; trespass.


32 posted on 11/28/2007 5:56:22 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: CondorFlight

“Like it or lump it, if these people are going to stay here, then you must mainstream them into US society; otherwise you’ll have a Quebec situation.”

Why? It is against the law for Illegals to work in our country.


33 posted on 11/28/2007 6:03:12 AM PST by Haddit (Hunter is still the Best)
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To: CondorFlight
If they are not all going to be rounded up in some kind of mass
deportation (and they are not),


Oklahoma seems to have led the way: just install conditions
that make self-deportation (to another state or country) an
attractive alternative.
So far, it seems to be up to each state to figure out how to
approach this situation.
34 posted on 11/28/2007 6:03:13 AM PST by VOA
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To: CondorFlight
"Like it or lump it, if these people are going to stay here, then you must mainstream them into US society; otherwise you’ll have a Quebec situation."

OK. I agree.

Give them all your money first.

Then get back to me and I'll see what I can do.

35 posted on 11/28/2007 6:03:38 AM PST by EEDUDE
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Unfortunately, they do, at least public colleges, and probably private ones as well.

“Illegal” is defined by the federal government, and if they pass a law that requires ALL people located in the country to be given access to college, there’s not much we can do about it other than vote out of office the people in Washington.

This is a sad truth about “illegal”, it only has meaning as the federal government determines it. For example, a state can’t pass a law punishing an employer for hiring illegals, because there is a federal law already that pre-empts state law. (So in Virginia, we are going to try to pass a law revoking business licenses instead). So if we want to punish employers, we need to petition the federal government to pass a law either doing so, or allowing states to do so.

In this case, I believe the FEDERAL law (or a judicial ruling) says that if you offer an illegal “in-state” tuition, you have to offer it to EVERY citizen of the country as well. The complaint here is that ALL attendees to community college are subsidized by the taxpayer, and allowing an illegal to attend gives them the subsidy.

The answer to that is to raise the tuition, adopt an in-state standard, and then charge the illegals the out-of-state tuition.

Almost NOBODY goes to another state’s community colleges, which is why they don’t tend to have in-state/out-of-state tuitions, I guess.

Anyway, some of that above is speculation, and some is my understanding of the current law as a non-lawyer, so consider it more of a discussion starter than the final word.

If I’m wrong, I apologize.


36 posted on 11/28/2007 6:10:37 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Long Island Pete

Having the right to everything you want....

at someone else’s expense.

Community colleges are funded in part by tax revenue.


37 posted on 11/28/2007 6:17:41 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (If Hillary is elected, her legacy will be telling the American people: Better put some ice on that.)
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To: AT7Saluki

Dear Santa,

For Christmas this year, I want you to make me into a privileged and protected minority so I can take to the streets, protest and act out every time something doesn’t go my way, and scare the goverment and businesses into giving me all sorts of freebies, privileges, perks, and goodies ‘cause they’ll be afraid of being called “mean” and “racist.”

Santa, I also want to be able to go to any college I want to, with no questions asked, no documentation required, and to have translators with me at every moment to “protect” my “rights”, my “culture” and to ensure that the mean old gringos fall all overthemseves to give me whatever I demand under pain that I’ll have 5000 ACLU/La Raza/MALDEF rabble rousers out on the campus green howling and waving signs within the hour if my “legitimate” and “just” demads are not immediately met.

Oh, and I want all that plus not having to work unless I want to, and if I decide to, I get to pick the language which employers are forced to learn in order to communicate with me, or else me and my compatriots will go tell our radical community organizers and we’ll all yowl, protest and sue via tha ACLU until we get lots and lots of money and every employer has to learn our language and respect our culture and in general bow down to us and kiss our priviledged patoots.

Oh, and Santa, if you can arrange to have our country of origin choice have real obnoxious and uppity current and former presidents tell the mean old racist Americans that our territory is wherever we are and hang our hats, that would be really cool too!

(sarcasm off)


38 posted on 11/28/2007 6:21:54 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (A voter wavering between wanting radical change and burning the damn place down)
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Melinda Wiggins is executive director of Student Action with Farmworkers, which helps children of migrant agriculture laborers get into high school and college. She said barring illegal immigrants from community colleges penalizes youths who were brought to the United States as children.

“The DREAM act didn’t fly, so let’s try this gambit.”
Melinda Wiggins and every open borders lunatic in America.


39 posted on 11/28/2007 6:27:56 AM PST by tumblindice (`No' in Espanol and in English=same/same, comprende amigo?)
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Melinda Wiggins sounds like she is mentally defective and/or corrupt.


40 posted on 11/28/2007 6:31:55 AM PST by Dante3
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To: Convert from ECUSA

Hope you didnt copyright that because I am stealing it.


41 posted on 11/28/2007 6:32:35 AM PST by Long Island Pete
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To: Convert from ECUSA

And one more thing Santa. I want to be able to get a drivers license too. You know, one of those official government documents that allows me to travel throughout the United States of Mexico, I mean America and not raise any suspicion at all. Along with my phony Social Security number and the drivers license I will be able to fool the gringos and be able to vote. Democrat of course.


42 posted on 11/28/2007 6:43:30 AM PST by Long Island Pete
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To: Da Coyote

Not soon enough.


43 posted on 11/28/2007 6:50:47 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: Long Island Pete

:) You are more than free to use it as much as you want!!!!!!!!! :))


44 posted on 11/28/2007 6:57:09 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (A voter wavering between wanting radical change and burning the damn place down)
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To: Long Island Pete

Ah, thanks for the addition!!! Definitely include that as well!


45 posted on 11/28/2007 6:57:46 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (A voter wavering between wanting radical change and burning the damn place down)
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To: Convert from ECUSA

This is a a violation of USC 8 and they can be sued under the expanded RICO statutes.


46 posted on 11/28/2007 7:43:50 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


47 posted on 11/28/2007 8:45:36 AM PST by gubamyster
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I'm stumped. What exactly does "illegal" mean again?

Having superior status to citizens, it would seem.
48 posted on 11/28/2007 8:46:39 AM PST by Antoninus (Republicans who support Rudy owe Bill Clinton an apology.)
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To: CondorFlight
If they are not all going to be rounded up in some kind of mass deportation (and they are not), then not helping them enter the mainstream is just shooting ourselves in the foot, and insuring that there will a large mass of unassimilated people for the next generation to contend with.

But by accomodating them, you are ensuring there will be millions entering the country right behind them.

There needs to be a climate where illegals self-deport, since they won't be able to make a living here.

49 posted on 11/28/2007 8:47:56 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: bert
The North Carolina colleges will be overwhelmed by student refugees from Maryland.

Assuming they can read the road signs and find North Carolina.

50 posted on 11/28/2007 8:49:28 AM PST by Lurking in Kansas (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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