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To: Long Island Pete

Like it or lump it, if these people are going to stay here, then you must mainstream them into US society; otherwise you’ll have a Quebec situation.

If they are not all going to be rounded up in some kind of mass deportation (and they are not), then not helping them enter the mainstream is just shooting ourselves in the foot,
and insuring that there will a large mass of unassimilated
people for the next generation to contend with.


8 posted on 11/28/2007 5:06:22 AM PST by CondorFlight (I)
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To: CondorFlight

Actually, no. If you do not provide services and make it too costly for people to hire them, they will return to Mexico.

If we support illegal aliens, we are supporting criminals. No ifs, ands, or buts.


14 posted on 11/28/2007 5:09:39 AM PST by hocndoc (http://www.lifeethics.org/www.lifeethics.org/index.html)
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To: CondorFlight
then you must mainstream them into US society

And how is that done? Is it done by force or funding? You can lead a horse to water...

18 posted on 11/28/2007 5:14:24 AM PST by Long Island Pete
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To: CondorFlight
then you must mainstream them into US society;

Their stated goal is NOT to mainstream into our society.

19 posted on 11/28/2007 5:17:02 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: CondorFlight
"If they are not all going to be rounded up in some kind of mass deportation (and they are not), then not helping them enter the mainstream is just shooting ourselves in the foot, and insuring that there will a large mass of unassimilated people for the next generation to contend with."

Ah, the phrase used by the left to stop debate. How many people do you actually know that believe we should round them up?

The real answer is much more cost effective and very simple. Simply turn off the employment, health care, education magnets and they will find their way back home.

Fine businesses that employ them. Stop mandating schools teach them. Stop paying their health care. Stop Press 1 for English and just demand English be used.

20 posted on 11/28/2007 5:18:56 AM PST by Wurlitzer (Democrats= Phony Americans)
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To: CondorFlight
If they are not all going to be rounded up in some kind of mass deportation (and they are not), then not helping them enter the mainstream is just shooting ourselves in the foot, and insuring that there will a large mass of unassimilated people for the next generation to contend with.

I disagree. The problem is here now and we are having to contend with it now.

If we endorse their illegal activities in this way, it only aggravates the problem and is not a viable solution. Illegals are a significant problem because the bulk of their "documentation" is purchased forgeries. As a result, how do they prove that they graduated from high school, one of the primary prerequisites to being admitted? Also, how does the college verify that the high school is accredited and that the illegal was required to meet the same (or similar) standards for graduation as his/her American counterparts?

If we "mainstream" illegals so that they won't continue to be a problem in the future, why not do the same for the criminals we have in this country that are currently behind bars? By ignoring one criminal act (or, actually, a series of criminal acts, in the case of illegals), why shouldn't we ignore the criminal acts of robbers, drug dealers, carjackers, muggers and rapists? What's the difference between the criminal acts?

If we don't draw a line in the sand to stop mainstreaming illegals, we abdicate every opportunity we have to encourage the illegals to return home by denying them access to mainstream activities and by discouraging the behavior.

24 posted on 11/28/2007 5:30:28 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: CondorFlight

Like it or lump it, if these people are going to stay here, then you must mainstream them into US society; otherwise you’ll have a Quebec situation.

If they are not all going to be rounded up in some kind of mass deportation (and they are not), then not helping them enter the mainstream is just shooting ourselves in the foot,
and insuring that there will a large mass of unassimilated
people for the next generation to contend with.

***********************

You mean Amnesty.


25 posted on 11/28/2007 5:35:58 AM PST by Hunterite
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To: CondorFlight
...then not helping them enter the mainstream is just shooting ourselves in the foot,...<./i>

instant access to the taxpayers pockets is not "helping" them, it's giving them an instant "right-to-welfare" mentality.

27 posted on 11/28/2007 5:50:35 AM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: CondorFlight
Like it or lump it, if these people are going to stay here, then you must mainstream them into US society; otherwise you’ll have a Quebec situation.

If they are not all going to be rounded up in some kind of mass deportation (and they are not), then not helping them enter the mainstream is just shooting ourselves in the foot, and insuring that there will a large mass of unassimilated people for the next generation to contend with.

That same rationale was used in the 1986 amnesty. It doesn't work. The USG estimated that one million would apply, but it wound up that three million applied. Here we are 21 years later with 13 to 20 million illegals. And if we legalize their status [helping them enter the mainstream], they will be able to bring in tens of millions more thru chain migration and family reunification.

What kind of message does this send to the millions of people waiting in line to get into this country legally? What kind of message does it send to those who want to get in here illegally? And what does it say about the rule of law?

We can have attrition thru enforcement. And before we do anything about those already here, we need to secure our borders, including establishing a system to track and deport visa overstays. Rewarding people who have broken our laws in multiple ways, i.e., illegal entry, ID theft, failure to pay taxes, etc. is not the way to deal with criminals.

30 posted on 11/28/2007 5:53:54 AM PST by kabar
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To: CondorFlight

“Like it or lump it, if these people are going to stay here, then you must mainstream them into US society; otherwise you’ll have a Quebec situation.”

Why? It is against the law for Illegals to work in our country.


33 posted on 11/28/2007 6:03:12 AM PST by Haddit (Hunter is still the Best)
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To: CondorFlight
If they are not all going to be rounded up in some kind of mass
deportation (and they are not),


Oklahoma seems to have led the way: just install conditions
that make self-deportation (to another state or country) an
attractive alternative.
So far, it seems to be up to each state to figure out how to
approach this situation.
34 posted on 11/28/2007 6:03:13 AM PST by VOA
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To: CondorFlight
"Like it or lump it, if these people are going to stay here, then you must mainstream them into US society; otherwise you’ll have a Quebec situation."

OK. I agree.

Give them all your money first.

Then get back to me and I'll see what I can do.

35 posted on 11/28/2007 6:03:38 AM PST by EEDUDE
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To: CondorFlight
If they are not all going to be rounded up in some kind of mass deportation (and they are not), then not helping them enter the mainstream is just shooting ourselves in the foot, and insuring that there will a large mass of unassimilated people for the next generation to contend with.

But by accomodating them, you are ensuring there will be millions entering the country right behind them.

There needs to be a climate where illegals self-deport, since they won't be able to make a living here.

49 posted on 11/28/2007 8:47:56 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: CondorFlight

Under current circumstances illegals will stay. Why not? There is no penalty for staying. Make it unpleasant, and they will self deport.


52 posted on 11/28/2007 8:54:14 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: CondorFlight
Like it or lump it, if these people are going to stay here, then you must mainstream them into US society;
First, they will only stay here as long as people like you give them a free pass. But more important, it's not our responsibility to mainstream anyone into America - illegal or legal.
Our rights and privileges were literally earned through blood, sweat and tears. For over 200 years our ancestors worked and fought for all the benefits they received. It was never handed to them. This country was built on the backs of every single immigrant group that came to America: Germans, Irish, Chinese, Italian, et al.
This current crop of illegals and people like you want it handed to them. To them and you I say get the hell out. Then come back and do it the right way ... the American way.
54 posted on 11/28/2007 9:07:16 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: CondorFlight
If they are not all going to be rounded up in some kind of mass deportation (and they are not), then not helping them enter the mainstream is just shooting ourselves in the foot, and insuring that there will a large mass of unassimilated people for the next generation to contend with.

I disagree with you. Do you realize that "Mainstreaming" them is something THEY don't want anyway? When illegals say "si" to "mainstreaming", it means they grab anything free they can get AND "no" to English, of course.

Even if your suggestion is followed, you didn't mention how to stop Mexico and other countries from emptying out their populations here when they see that they'll get anything they want, FREE. Your suggestion will actually accelerate illegal immigration and will turn the US into Latin America North, a tenth rate country, in a decade.

This tells me that you really didn't look at alternatives to combat illegal immigration and that by itself, is out of the mainstream.

When you write such a post and don't care to answer FReepers posts to you, it reminds me of somebody throwing a grenade in a joint and getting the hec out of there. However, you may be busy and will eventually answer.

56 posted on 11/28/2007 9:50:24 AM PST by melancholy (Beware of Ho Chi Minh's offspring, Ho She Marx , invading the WH.)
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To: CondorFlight
Like it or lump it, if these people are going to stay here, then you must mainstream them into US society; otherwise you’ll have a Quebec situation.

That's the sort of remarkable ignorance that has turned southern California into a Mexican territory. American culture gets displaced by the huge numbers bringing in their own culture, which they aren't interested in giving up.

62 posted on 11/28/2007 10:18:17 AM PST by Pelham ("You Can't Deport Them" the fallback position of the Amnesty Republicans)
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