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Cessna to assemble SkyCatcher in China
www.flightglobal.com ^ | 28/11/07 | Siva Govindasamy

Posted on 11/28/2007 9:27:15 AM PST by Freeport

Cessna has become the latest airframe manufacturer to tap into China's growing aircraft production expertise, with the US airframer picking AVIC I subsidiary Shenyang Aircraft to assemble its new Model 162 SkyCatcher light sport aircraft (LSA).

Under the terms of the agreement, Shenyang will be responsible for aircraft assembly and Cessna will provide on-site personnel to oversee manufacturing, quality assurance and technical design. Cessna will design the aircraft and handle American Society for Testing and Materials (ASTM) compliance work, and be responsible for sales, distribution, customer service and warranty administration.


(Excerpt) Read more at flightglobal.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: aerospace; aviation; cessna; madeinchina; manufacturing; production; skycatcher
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So line up & get your lead painted Cessna in a hurry folks! /s

More jobs overseas... Good going Union! Yeah! /s

1 posted on 11/28/2007 9:27:16 AM PST by Freeport
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To: Freeport

Not to self...when flying on a Cessna, check the label to see where it was made.


2 posted on 11/28/2007 9:28:24 AM PST by Slapshot68
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To: Freeport

Cessna is now off my list. Too bad, I enjoyed flying their little toys.


3 posted on 11/28/2007 9:30:14 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Freeport

“So line up & get your lead painted Cessna in a hurry folks! /s”

Not the lead I would worry about. That will take a long time to kill you. I’d be more worried about the inferior metals, quality, and production processes. Something like a wing collapsing on final would be a real downer.


4 posted on 11/28/2007 9:31:34 AM PST by driftdiver
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To: Freeport

Planes built by slaves....Hmmm, let me think about that one.


5 posted on 11/28/2007 9:33:35 AM PST by central_va
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To: Freeport
Wonder how long they plan the nuts and bolts to last before failing?

6 posted on 11/28/2007 9:34:41 AM PST by b4its2late (GITMO is way too nice of a place to house low life terrorists.)
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To: Freeport

I thought it was already designed? They are taking deposits on it for delivery in 2009.


7 posted on 11/28/2007 9:35:02 AM PST by TopDog2 (OK, I am with Fred...)
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To: Freeport
And within 18 months the Great Wall of China Aircraft Company will release its "Long March" small aircraft...a craft which will bear a striking resemblance (down to the most minute technical detail) to this Cessna.

And it will have a list price that's one-third of the Cessna's.

Ask GM,Volkswagen and others.They'll tell ya.

8 posted on 11/28/2007 9:35:15 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Wanna see how bad it can get? Elect Hillary and find out.)
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To: Freeport

How well will it fly with all of the extra lead?


9 posted on 11/28/2007 9:35:33 AM PST by Redcloak (This post certified 100% Hillary-free. um... Never mind.)
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To: Freeport

I’d rather a used 152, or a 150 Aerobat.


10 posted on 11/28/2007 9:38:10 AM PST by papasmurf (FRed Thompson...That's been your mantra, all along. You're just an anti-FRed gnat!)
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To: Freeport

If they expect to sell many at prices the average pilot can afford, they must do this...

Our high taxes, over-regulation, Inane Enviro regs, over-unionization, and most of all, UNLIMITED CIVIL LIABILITY have pushed many things offshore...

Remind me..
Which party is it that supports those platforms again?


11 posted on 11/28/2007 9:38:54 AM PST by tcrlaf (You can lead a Liberal to LOGIC, but you can't make it THINK)
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To: driftdiver

“...Something like a wing collapsing on final would be a real downer....”

But you’d be on the ground faster. ;-)


12 posted on 11/28/2007 9:39:48 AM PST by NCC-1701 (PUT AN END TO ORGANIZED CRIME. ABOLISH THE I.R.S.)
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To: TopDog2
Yep, already designed and I think in flight test. This is just the manufacturing contract being let.
13 posted on 11/28/2007 9:39:51 AM PST by Freeport
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To: Freeport

14 posted on 11/28/2007 9:40:39 AM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Aeronaut

Suitable for the aviation ping list. Aviation & politics seem to have a rich mixed history.

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Why the smart money is on Duncan Hunter
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1926032/posts
Posted on 11/15/2007 3:43:17 AM PST by Kevmo


15 posted on 11/28/2007 9:41:38 AM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: NCC-1701

“But you’d be on the ground faster. ;-)”

Its not the fall that kills ya, its that sudden stop at the bottom.


16 posted on 11/28/2007 9:41:50 AM PST by driftdiver
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To: tcrlaf
If they expect to sell many at prices the average pilot can afford, they must do this...

Sorry to burst your bubble, but that's a load of BS. There are quite a few aircraft manufactures on these shores designing and building aircraft for the new sport class and they seem to be able to compete just fine...

17 posted on 11/28/2007 9:42:41 AM PST by Freeport
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To: Freeport
... from Cessna, a brand known and trusted worldwide."

Not for long...

18 posted on 11/28/2007 9:43:06 AM PST by gridlock (Recycling is the new Religion.)
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To: Freeport

19 posted on 11/28/2007 9:43:23 AM PST by papasmurf (FRed Thompson...That's been your mantra, all along. You're just an anti-FRed gnat!)
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To: Freeport
It still will cost $119,500.

To hell with it.

By the way, do you know why general aviation airplanes are so expensive?

The #1 reason is....................................
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LITIGATION

20 posted on 11/28/2007 9:43:36 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

I still have mine!


21 posted on 11/28/2007 9:44:27 AM PST by jaydubya2
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To: NCC-1701

Wing failure during an accelerated stall or high G turn, or strong thermal would worry me. :)


22 posted on 11/28/2007 9:45:57 AM PST by papasmurf (FRed Thompson...That's been your mantra, all along. You're just an anti-FRed gnat!)
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To: Freeport

“Free trade”: sell your sovereignty, kill your manufacturing base and become a third world nation all in one easy scam.


23 posted on 11/28/2007 9:46:12 AM PST by JeeperFreeper
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To: SkyPilot

Yup.

Aircraft manufactures get it in the neck, when it’s mostly the pilot who’s screwed up.

So the family sues, and wins because juries are swayed by tears & not facts. I’ve participated in more than a few crash investigations and have seen the results; aircraft performs flawlessly, pilot screws up, get s killed, family sues, manufacture pays...


24 posted on 11/28/2007 9:47:15 AM PST by Freeport
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To: SkyPilot
—yep—I we could just export to China the 90% of lawyers that give the other 10 % a bad name, think what an improvement it would be-—
25 posted on 11/28/2007 9:47:20 AM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: b4its2late
Wonder how long they plan the nuts and bolts to last before failing?

Until the buyer's check clears.

26 posted on 11/28/2007 9:49:53 AM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture™)
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To: papasmurf

I’ll stick to my credo: “BUY AMERICAN”.


27 posted on 11/28/2007 9:50:12 AM PST by NCC-1701 (PUT AN END TO ORGANIZED CRIME. ABOLISH THE I.R.S.)
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To: Freeport

Unfortunately, IT’S NOT.
And it applies to MUCH of the US Manufacturing that has gone overseas...

The SkyCatcher’s price is $109500(rising to 111,5000 after the 1st 1,000)

It was origianlly envisioned as LESS than $100K aircraft, but they couldn’t get it there...


28 posted on 11/28/2007 9:50:31 AM PST by tcrlaf (You can lead a Liberal to LOGIC, but you can't make it THINK)
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To: Kevmo; Tijeras_Slim; FireTrack; Pukin Dog; citabria; B Knotts; kilowhskey; cyphergirl; ...

29 posted on 11/28/2007 9:51:02 AM PST by Aeronaut (President Cl!nt*n was the Lounge-Act-in-Chief.)
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To: tcrlaf

“It was origianlly envisioned as LESS than $100K aircraft, but they couldn’t get it there.”

So about 70k of that is reserved for litigation?


30 posted on 11/28/2007 9:52:17 AM PST by driftdiver
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To: tcrlaf
Our high taxes, over-regulation, Inane Enviro regs, over-unionization, and most of all, UNLIMITED CIVIL LIABILITY have pushed many things offshore...

Remind me..
Which party is it that supports those platforms again?

You have that right. It’s the conspiracy between the Lawyers, Greenies, and the DemocRATS. Unions are to stupid to see it, as they are killing themselves.

31 posted on 11/28/2007 9:52:28 AM PST by stubernx98 (cranky, but reasonable)
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To: Freeport

Well just another reason to buy Cirrus.


32 posted on 11/28/2007 9:52:57 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: tcrlaf

Still not getting it I see... Go look at the OTHER manufactures of light aircraft... Notice wher they build their craft? Places like Oshkosh, Wichita, Hutchinson, Deluth, etc... Ya know... In the USA?

There is zero reason thta it couldn’t be done here competitively... Except for Cessna’s overhead... See labor costs.


33 posted on 11/28/2007 9:53:23 AM PST by Freeport
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To: Freeport

“There are quite a few aircraft manufactures on these shores designing and building aircraft for the new sport class and they seem to be able to compete just fine...”

I’d like to see a comparison of the impact labor costs have vs. the government regulation costs. If you can dump your toxic chemicals in the back it certainly cheaper to manufacture.


34 posted on 11/28/2007 9:54:04 AM PST by driftdiver
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To: driftdiver
I’d be more worried about the inferior metals, quality, and production processes.

I've seen structural failures on Chinese motorcycles. Defective welds (bubbles; but sometimes pretty on the outside), and outright stressed member failings due to inferior alloys. Sure, Cessna will present one or two copies for FAR approval with state of the art metals from their space program. The rest will be made from ground up Chinese motorcycles.

35 posted on 11/28/2007 9:55:11 AM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture™)
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To: SkyPilot

This tidbit from MEyers Aircraft, a kit builder....

The FAA has added layer upon layer to the certification requirements contained in FAR Part 23. This was done because of the increase in complexity and performance through the years brought about by turbine powered aircraft.

Unfortunately, these same regulations also apply to both entry level and high performance piston aircraft such as the Meyers 200D. I

n recent years the FAA has relaxed some of the certification criteria for very basic, entry level training aircraft. These relaxed rules do not apply to an aircraft in the Meyers 200D’s category.

Due to these complex requirements, there has not been a new type certification in the U.S. of a practical, high performance, retractable gear, piston aircraft in many years.

It is estimated that to certify a high performance light aircraft (similar to the Meyers 200D) and get it into production would cost over twenty million dollars.

(For a detailed cost analysis utilizing the DAPCA IV model, Click Here.) To amortize this initial certification expense and provide a reasonable return on investment, the retail price would be far too high for the marketplace. Over-regulation has basically stifled aircraft development by making it impossible to get a reasonable return on investment.


36 posted on 11/28/2007 9:55:22 AM PST by tcrlaf (You can lead a Liberal to LOGIC, but you can't make it THINK)
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To: Freeport
If they expect to sell many at prices the average pilot can afford, they must do this...

Right now the insurance and the $5.00/gal AvGas are the main issues.

37 posted on 11/28/2007 9:55:46 AM PST by Pusterfuss (Proud member: Minnesotans for Global Warming)
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To: Freeport

Had things turned out differently, Wong Wei could have had a comfy job as a Skycatcher test pilot.


38 posted on 11/28/2007 9:57:07 AM PST by Rb ver. 2.0 (Global warming is the new Marxism.)
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To: driftdiver

15 years ago, a group wanted to build a 4 place and sell it for under $50K. They even went so far as to lease a factory in Witchita.
(Wish I could remember who it was)

That went out the window when they found out product liability coverage would be over 50K PER AIRFRAME!

I believe they ended up selling it as a kit...


39 posted on 11/28/2007 9:57:48 AM PST by tcrlaf (You can lead a Liberal to LOGIC, but you can't make it THINK)
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To: Freeport

So if you fly somewhere in it, do you feel a need to fly again in an hour?


40 posted on 11/28/2007 9:58:36 AM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat; but they know what's best for us)
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To: driftdiver
I’d like to see a comparison of the impact labor costs have vs. the government regulation costs. If you can dump your toxic chemicals in the back it certainly cheaper to manufacture.

They have to follow the same rules, and do... Again, take a trip to a vendor. Several I've been to are willing to take you on a plant tour.

41 posted on 11/28/2007 10:00:07 AM PST by Freeport
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To: Freeport

Probably true about the overhead. That said, however, you can rest assured that Citation X buyers are subsidizing a part of the Airframe liability costs for this...

Piper was forced into bankruptcy by litigation, and has only recently recovered.

This aircraft is the fullfillment of a promise by Cessna CEO Russ Meyer to Senator Kassenbaum who pushed through the liability Statute of Repose legislation.

(Again, from a Meyers Aircraft site:
http://www.meyersaircraft.com/Common/Market%20&%20Liability%20Analysis.html#DAPCA)


42 posted on 11/28/2007 10:03:07 AM PST by tcrlaf (You can lead a Liberal to LOGIC, but you can't make it THINK)
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To: SkyPilot
“LITIGATION”

Crooked, lying lawyers, their “experts”, and stupid jurors!

43 posted on 11/28/2007 10:04:17 AM PST by dalereed
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To: Freeport

The lawsuit of The family of Missouri Gov. Mel Carnahan Vs. Parker Hannifin comes to mind. The NTSB ruled the Parker Hannifin vacuum pump did not fail and did not contribute to the crash, yet the jury ruled in favor of the Carnahan family.


44 posted on 11/28/2007 10:05:09 AM PST by jaydubya2
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To: jaydubya2

It was a good toy. I didn’t have the launcher catapult though.


45 posted on 11/28/2007 10:09:09 AM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: HamiltonJay; Aeronaut; Freeport
Well just another reason to buy Cirrus...and it still looks good/US made.
46 posted on 11/28/2007 10:09:28 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (just b/c your paranoid, doesn't mean they're NOT out to get you....Run, FRed, Run. :^)
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To: tcrlaf

Not to mention that some in the FAA (or rather lobbyists/corporate types) would love to see General Aviation a lot more restricted than it currently is. That can’t help the price at all. They were using 9/11 hysteria to get the media to make private pilots look bad.


47 posted on 11/28/2007 10:13:01 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: NCC-1701

Agreed. Although I do have a soft spot for the Reims Rockets that were made in France! :)


48 posted on 11/28/2007 10:18:05 AM PST by papasmurf (FRed Thompson...That's been your mantra, all along. You're just an anti-FRed gnat!)
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To: driftdiver

“Something like a wing collapsing on final would be a real downer.”

Let the survivors sue the hell out of Cessna if it is proven that the fault lies with poor workmanship by the manufacturer.


49 posted on 11/28/2007 10:23:31 AM PST by 353FMG (Hillary - Al Qaeda's Dream)
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To: tcrlaf
“Our high taxes, over-regulation, Inane Enviro regs, over-unionization, and most of all, UNLIMITED CIVIL LIABILITY have pushed many things offshore...Remind me..
Which party is it that supports those platforms again?”

Democrat and Republican

50 posted on 11/28/2007 10:30:17 AM PST by monday
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