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Cessna's New Plane to Be Built in China
Wall Street Journal ^ | 11/28/07 | J. LYNN LUNSFORD

Posted on 11/29/2007 8:46:29 AM PST by charles m

Textron Inc.'s Cessna Aircraft Co. will become the first U.S. manufacturer to turn over complete production of an airplane to a Chinese partner, a move intended to cut production costs and foster a nascent private-aviation market in China.

Cessna officials said China's state-owned Shenyang Aircraft Corp. will build the new Cessna 162 SkyCatcher at its factory in Shenyang, China. The planned single-engine, two-seat airplane will be the smallest in Cessna's product line. It is designed for training and what is known as the light-sport market, for recreational fliers.

Cessna hopes manufacturing in China will help keep the price of the plane low enough to attract new pilots to counter the dwindling ranks of U.S. recreational fliers. It also could lower the cost barrier for training new pilots amid surging demand for airline pilots world-wide.

The deal is scheduled to be announced this morning in China at a news conference in Beijing. Cessna, which said this summer that it would build the plane, estimates it will be available by late 2009.

Lewis Campbell, Textron's chairman and chief executive, said in an interview that lower manufacturing costs in China would allow Cessna to sell the airplane for $71,000 less than it would if it had built the plane at its factories in Wichita, Kan. The move also positions Cessna to play a larger role in the developing private- and corporate-aviation market in China.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; boeing; cessna; china; outsourcing; planes
When will Boeing be next?
1 posted on 11/29/2007 8:46:31 AM PST by charles m
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To: charles m

First plane made out of lead. All right!


2 posted on 11/29/2007 8:47:00 AM PST by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Want to buy one?


3 posted on 11/29/2007 8:48:14 AM PST by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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To: charles m

Buy Chinese... Kill America


4 posted on 11/29/2007 8:48:33 AM PST by Lexington Green (Not one dime to Hollywood traitors)
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To: charles m

Confucius say: “Man who fly airplane upside-down have hairy crack up.”


5 posted on 11/29/2007 8:49:26 AM PST by Migraine (...diversity is great... until it happens to YOU...)
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To: charles m

Buy one if you think your life is worth $71,000.


6 posted on 11/29/2007 8:50:13 AM PST by charles m
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To: charles m

If they make it out of rubber they can call it Boiiinnnggg because of the noise it makes when it plows into the ground.


7 posted on 11/29/2007 8:50:49 AM PST by cripplecreek (Only one consistent conservative in this race and his name is Hunter.)
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To: domenad

Darn, missed the opportunity for the first comment about lead. Aside from that, now that I know about US company faithfulness, I’ll continue to completely loose my brand loyalty. It appears that Cessna has the Microsoft disease...absolutely no innovation in design. It’s time for a young business type to give us a new airplane. As a pilot, Cessna is now OUT for me!


8 posted on 11/29/2007 8:51:19 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: neodad

They’ll probaly paint it with lead paint.


9 posted on 11/29/2007 8:51:43 AM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: charles m
the first U.S. manufacturer to turn over complete production of an airplane to a Chinese partner

Anything over 50% should make them a foreign manufacturer and they should be treated as such.

10 posted on 11/29/2007 8:53:20 AM PST by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: charles m

How depressing


11 posted on 11/29/2007 8:53:27 AM PST by AIM-54
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To: charles m
When will Boeing be next?

Watch for it.

A few months ago, Stephen Udvar-Hazy, the head of International Lease Finance, the largest aircraft buyer in the world, gave an address at a conference where he stated that "aircraft prices have become too high, and must come down."

Wanna bet how that will be achieved?
12 posted on 11/29/2007 8:56:20 AM PST by BikerJoe
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To: charles m

Boeing already has plants all over the world. Wouldn’t be a surprise to see them there.


13 posted on 11/29/2007 9:00:31 AM PST by hoppity
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To: charles m

Another article today where China is building cars in Mexico to ship to the US in a back hand Nafta move. Now planes.

Well, it was nice to be the worlds superpower for a while, wasn’t it?


14 posted on 11/29/2007 9:05:13 AM PST by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: charles m; AuntB; cripplecreek; Calpernia; RasterMaster
a move intended to cut production costs and foster a nascent private-aviation market in China.

Cessna officials said China's STATE-OWNED Shenyang Aircraft Corp. will build the new Cessna 162 SkyCatcher

Anyone else see the problem here??

15 posted on 11/29/2007 9:07:09 AM PST by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: charles m

Already posted on FR, yesterday as I recall.


16 posted on 11/29/2007 9:08:31 AM PST by Poundstone
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To: pissant
China's STATE-OWNED Shenyang Aircraft Corp. will build the new Cessna 162 SkyCatcher Anyone else see the problem here??

Duncan Hunter does. If the public were allowed to hear him, they'd know he is the ONLY one on our side in the China mess.

Duncan Hunter on Trade and China. Watch video www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDoO_TcpysE

17 posted on 11/29/2007 9:11:24 AM PST by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: Da Coyote

“Aside from that, now that I know about US company faithfulness, “

That’s not a secret. You can and will be lectured about this by freepers. They will tell you that the only reason for a corporation is to make money. They will ignore that people comprise a business, and will tell you that whatever a business needs to do to make money is ok, as long as it’s legal.
I find that to be devoid of ethics. I find this quote to be pretty accurate:

Corporation: An ingenious device for obtaining profit without individual responsibility.
- Ambrose Bierce


18 posted on 11/29/2007 9:12:27 AM PST by brownsfan (America has "jumped the shark")
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To: brownsfan

I call it conscience free trade.


19 posted on 11/29/2007 9:19:56 AM PST by cripplecreek (Only one consistent conservative in this race and his name is Hunter.)
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To: charles m

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1931778/posts


20 posted on 11/29/2007 9:22:31 AM PST by Petruchio (Out to Lunch)
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To: charles m

Chinese Cessna During Taxi Traning


21 posted on 11/29/2007 9:23:53 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Red_Devil 232

Crasshna.


22 posted on 11/29/2007 9:24:50 AM PST by cripplecreek (Only one consistent conservative in this race and his name is Hunter.)
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To: charles m

Boo on Cessna. Shame on you. I hope this comes back to bight you folks BIG TIME.


23 posted on 11/29/2007 9:25:12 AM PST by dadgum
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To: charles m
Cessna hopes manufacturing in China will help keep the price of the plane low enough to attract new pilots to counter the dwindling ranks of U.S. recreational fliers.

I'll preface my comments by saying I grew up co-piloting private airplanes -- my father owned four of them over the years. I grew up assuming that I would also own airplanes, because it used to be a hobby affordable to anyone with a median income, but no longer, because prices have soared [pun intended] out of sight. More than anything else, lawyers killed private aviation with huge lawsuits. More regulations and requirements have also driven up the complexity and expense of aircraft. I also recall my first whiff of political correctness after the 1970's oil embargo -- some people opined that it was wasteful buring precious gas in luxury items such as planes and boats.

24 posted on 11/29/2007 9:25:13 AM PST by TexasRepublic (Afghan protest - "Death to Dog Washers!")
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To: TexasRepublic

And we were supposed to have cheap, flying cars by now.

Instead of flight becoming more accessible to the common man, it’s done the opposite.

Conspiracy?


25 posted on 11/29/2007 9:32:13 AM PST by subterfuge (HILLARY IS: She who must NOT be Dismayed)
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To: charles m

I’m not flying on ANYTHING made in China.


26 posted on 11/29/2007 9:32:51 AM PST by lesser_satan (READ MY LIPS: NO NEW RINOS | FRED THOMPSON - DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: charles m

Bamboo wings won’t cut it....


27 posted on 11/29/2007 9:35:03 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: charles m
What do you mean? Most of the aircraft components Boeing produces today are made overseas. Final assembly and outfitting are done here.
28 posted on 11/29/2007 9:41:09 AM PST by Freeport
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To: charles m

So we’ll lose some more American manufacturing jobs. Big deal. Move along, nothing to see here.


29 posted on 11/29/2007 9:41:26 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Ron Paul put the cuckoo in my Cocoa Puffs)
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To: charles m
Related thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1931778/posts

30 posted on 11/29/2007 9:54:53 AM PST by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: reagan_fanatic

Why pay an American to put the planes together when you can pay Charlie Chan’s cousins 2 cents an hour?


31 posted on 11/29/2007 9:55:39 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: AuntB

If the public had any idea of the overarching malfeasance of the chicoms, not just lead paint and toxic pet food, they would demand we nuke them.


32 posted on 11/29/2007 9:55:58 AM PST by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: charles m
Maybe it would help if they changed the name from Sky-Catcher to Ground-Catcher?
33 posted on 11/29/2007 9:56:01 AM PST by Polynikes (Hey. I got a question. How are you planning to get back down that hill?)
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To: cripplecreek

Come fry in the new Crashna, you be so happy!


34 posted on 11/29/2007 9:57:57 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: pissant
If the public had any idea of the overarching malfeasance of the chicoms, not just lead paint and toxic pet food, they would demand we nuke them.

There's a lot of that goin' around. Politicians count on our ignorance and we so willingly supply it....

35 posted on 11/29/2007 9:57:58 AM PST by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: charles m

http://www.cessnaskycatcher.com/images/stories/Image_Gallery_Photos/SCwServCtr.jpg


36 posted on 11/29/2007 9:59:09 AM PST by cheme
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To: charles m
"Cessna Aircraft Co. will become the first U.S. manufacturer to turn over complete production of an airplane to a Chinese partner..."

The Chinese do not respect quality control enough to be trusted with complete production. Those poor aircraft will have models with substandard parts/materials and serious lapses in assembly.

Yes, it *matters* if a cable rubs on a flat, perpendicular surface!

37 posted on 11/29/2007 10:02:36 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: AuntB

Yep.


38 posted on 11/29/2007 10:02:44 AM PST by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: charles m

Unbelievable...


39 posted on 11/29/2007 10:03:44 AM PST by dragnet2
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To: charles m
I've got a friend that has been working for Boeing...in China, for 12 years. They build 737 tail assemblies and a fuselage section of (I think) the 767.

He recently retired from Boeing - but was asked, by Boeing, to come back and work for a Chinese supplier as quality control liasion to Boeing. This supplier is trying to come up to speed to supply Dreamliner parts. He is in China now.

40 posted on 11/29/2007 10:04:03 AM PST by HardStarboard (Take No Prisoners - We're Out Of Qurans)
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To: lesser_satan
>>>I’m not flying on ANYTHING made in China.<<<

Maybe you already have. See my post #40 above.

41 posted on 11/29/2007 10:08:06 AM PST by HardStarboard (Take No Prisoners - We're Out Of Qurans)
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To: HardStarboard

That’s scary.


42 posted on 11/29/2007 10:11:25 AM PST by lesser_satan (READ MY LIPS: NO NEW RINOS | FRED THOMPSON - DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: charles m
Good morning.

I still want the flying car I was promised as a kid.

Oh, and I want it made in America by a US company.

Michael Frazier

43 posted on 11/29/2007 10:18:55 AM PST by brazzaville (No surrender, no retreat. Well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: lesser_satan
>>>That’s scary.<<<

While I agree with you - my friend says that the Chinese have been doing excellent work. Some of the parts they turn out are more accurate than the tolerances of Boeing parts made here.

His speciality is Quality Control....Boeing rides herd very closely on its suppliers to meet QC specs.

The "new world" is here....and I'm not sure I like it either!

44 posted on 11/29/2007 10:30:43 AM PST by HardStarboard (Take No Prisoners - We're Out Of Qurans)
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To: charles m
Sadly, we are a nation of whores. Everything is for sale. We have no one to blame but ourselves.
45 posted on 11/29/2007 11:20:02 AM PST by DogBarkTree (The correct word isn't "immigrant" when what they are doing is "invading".)
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To: DogBarkTree; HardStarboard; lesser_satan

At some point, there would be nothing left to sell. What then? If and when all our manufacturing AND R&D facilities go to China, what will we have left besides Wall Street paper pushers and lawyers? We’re currently floating on a certain sense of economic, cultural and perhaps even racial superiority with the belief that the Chinese will never catch up to us. What happens when they start innovating on our designs? What happens when their quality reaches to our level? Are we gambling everything on the hope that the Chinese can’t do it?

Fifteen years ago, the Chinese didn’t make cars, they made bicycles and auto rickshaws. Now they’re making full-size sedans. While their quality still pales compared to American and Japanese cars, I don’t think it will take long to reach our level. The technological jump from a bicycle to a car is far larger than the jump from a 1-star crash rating to 4-star crash rating. I bet in five to ten years, you’ll see Chinese cars that easily pass our crash tests. What then?

I know some of you will tell me to look at Japan and how they haven’t surpassed the US still. But Japan has a third of the population and a tenth of the landmass as the US. I say, the Japanese are doing pretty damn well given their conditions and where they were fifty years ago.


46 posted on 11/29/2007 11:48:05 AM PST by charles m
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To: charles m

Iraqi Air Force Sensor Operators Keep Watch Over Iraq
Friday, 08 February 2008
Multi-National Security Transition Command – Iraq

KIRKUK — Iraqi Muslims making their annual pilgrimage to Mecca in December were being watched. Their every movement was being carefully scrutinized and recorded by unseen men. The watchers plotted prime ambush points that would be the most dangerous to the pilgrims and made sure to note and analyze them.

The “watchers” were Iraq’s own Air Force keeping a vigilant watch over their fellow countrymen. Flying over a mile above their heads, the crowd probably didn’t even notice the Cessna Caravan circling or the impact it had on their pilgrimage. Onboard the aircraft was an aircrew made up of pilots and most importantly, mission sensor operators.

Iraqi mission sensor operators are Iraqi Air Force officers who operate television and infrared cameras on the Cessna Caravan, an intelligence gathering aircraft used by the Iraqi Air Force.

“I photograph the people,” said Iraqi Air Force Capt. Ali, a mission sensor operator with the Iraqi Air Force’s 3rd Squadron. “We photograph them to protect them from missiles and other harm.”

The sensor operators did well in protecting the pilgrims, as none of those participating in the Hajj this year were attacked.

“Before, they had attacks, and some people were kidnapped and killed (during the Hajj),” said Ali. “This year we did our job well, and they were very safe. They weren’t hurt.”

The video taken by the camera mounted below the aircraft known as “the ball” feeds the images directly to the sensor operator’s console aboard the Caravan. The operator then has the capability to zoom in for a closer look, record the material and give the intelligence gathered to higher headquarters, or even link with an Iraqi Army unit below them to give them a bird’s eye view of the area they’re operating in.

The Iraqi sensor operators have a keen eye for detail in their country, said U.S. Air Force Lt. Col. Justin Rice, an advisor with the 870th Air Expeditionary Advisory Squadron, which is attached to the Coalition Air Force Transition Team.

The Iraqi sensor operator’s experience from being in their home country allows them to quickly discard common gatherings and focus on more important areas, said Rice.

In order to put their experience to work, the sensor operators must first go through an extensive training program.

Before an Iraqi can even begin the training, he must have a college degree. The future operator is then sent to learn English, the official language of aviation, and a basic military course where they earn their commission.

After earning his commission, the officer heads to Kirkuk to begin ground school. In ground school, the students are taught subjects that include basic airmanship, how to read charts and how to work the equipment aboard the Caravan.

The ground school is taught by two Iraqi Air Force officers who are also trained sensor operators on the Caravan.

After completing approximately two weeks of ground school, the students move on to apply what they’ve learned in the air.

A mix of Iraqi instructors and U.S. Airmen fly with the students to monitor their performance. After eight sorties, the Iraqi sensor operator is given a ‘check-ride’, which qualifies him as a mission sensor operator.

“I’m very happy to take the information they teach me to protect my country and protect the

people in my country,” said Ali, a former MiG-21 pilot.Once their training is complete, the sensor operators begin flying sorties without an instructor supervising them.

Besides special missions such as monitoring the Hajj, the sensor operators regularly watch Iraq’s oil pipeline, power lines and perform surveillance missions for the Iraqi Army.

The Iraqi sensor operators fill a gap that the Iraqi military has never before seen. They give the ability to gather intelligence and watch a target using real time video. The operators are well aware of this when they discuss the pride they have in their duties.

“I like my job when I do it perfectly,” said Ali. When asked if he does perform his job perfectly, he replied just one word.

“Yes.”

http://www.mnf-iraq.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=16904&Itemid=110


47 posted on 02/13/2008 7:03:04 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: neodad

I think I’ll pass.


48 posted on 02/13/2008 7:05:11 AM PST by TADSLOS (Juan Hernandez' Battle Cry: "Juan McCain for El Presidente! Si, se puede!")
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To: Paleo Conservative

aircrafts are already painted with lead!!


49 posted on 07/03/2011 9:53:47 AM PDT by rotaryman4
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