”MADE IN CHINA” Ping.
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Posted on 11/29/2007 12:32:43 PM PST by Joiseydude
I agree Paul. I do consider it a shame what Putin is doing today tough. It can’t bode well for his people’s future. He should be embracing the west and instead he’s got one if not both feet headed back into the dark past.
It would be hard to argue otherwise in light of the events of the last few years.
Except for one thing...
How do you know our braintrusts haven’t already give it to them.
Did you hear that Aircraft Carrier Commander make those public comments a week or two ago? “Operating an aircraft carrier is a pretty tricky operation. We’re willing to help the Chinese get up to speed if they need any help.”
You’ve just gotta wonder what in the Sam Hell is going on.
For purposes of discussion, lets assume:
- That there are 200,000 college students from the PRC in the United States taking undergraduate and graduate courses in every state in the Union.
- That 50% of them are officers in one branch or the other of the PLA.
- That since they started attending U.S. colleges, these PLA officers have been collecting detailed information on critical U.S infrastructure nodes and developing detailed operational plans on how to attack then.
- That the “students” are organized into regional divisions for ease of administrative control, operational planning and execution, and logistic support.
- That all the supplies and equipment (including firearms and explosives) needed to execute attacks on critical U.S. infrastructure have already been prepositioned in secure locations throughout the United States either through direct purchase from U.S. sources or by being smuggled in using as cover the flood of containerized shipments coming into the United States from China. (Only 1 to 3 % are ever inspected.)
- That the communications system for activation of the operational plans and for reporting their execution has long since been developed, deployed, and tested for security, integrity, and redundancy.
How do we defend against simultaneous attacks by say, oh ... 50 well-organized, well-briefed, well-trained and well-equipped PLA regiments that suddenly just seem to APPEAR inside the United States and begin operations to support PRC war plans when the balloon goes up over Taiwan or some other issue? Such units could probably activate nearly as fast as the National Guard and Reserves can. And if the NG/Reserves did manage to beat them to their primary targets, thorough war planning would have identified many other important targets for attack.
A critic of this possibility might say that the Department of Homeland Security has already done a survey of critical infrastructure nodes and developed appropriate AT/FP plans.
Oh, really? Against what type of attack? What scale of threat? Does the critical node planning include say, defending against coordinated company, battalion, regimental and brigade-size conventional attacks on them?
Yeah...I didn't think so.
I agree with everything you said except the Tibet part. Tibet to me is simply a lost cause. There’s no way in high hell the Chinese will let it go. I think most of China’s nuclear silos are based in the Himalayas of Tibet. Three major Chinese rivers come from Tibet. Recently, the Chinese just found abundant minerals in Tibet and built a railway through it.
The only way Tibet has a chance of being independent is if the Tibetan people (in Tibet, not in US or India) fight for it themselves. Since that doesn’t look likely, then whose fight is it?
Charles, if you read my post 39, I think you’ll note that we pretty much agree on Tibet. Like I stated there though, I’m not happy about it at all. And if China had it’s way, I think it would kill off the Tibetin monks in a mass purge. They are livid that the Dahli Lama (sp?) is getting the attention he is.
Hey, even though they are going to commit an act of war and start shooting down our satellites, let’s borrow more money from them!
Well I'm a little less skeptical about this sort of thing then you.
I'm sure that Clinton gave away satellite technology to the Chinese in trade for campaign contributions but in general we guard our high end military technology pretty carefully. Developing systems like the Airborne Laser take years and billions of dollars. I'm confident that the U.S. will always spend what it takes to stay out in front of the competition. That was, after all, the Reagan solution to our problem with the Evil Empire. We simply out spent them in the development of our high tech military capability, particularly in the missile-defense area.
U.S. carrier help? (Admiral offers help to China)
Adm. Tim Keating, the U.S. Pacific Command leader, told reporters during his visit to China last month that while building and operating a carrier battle group is complex, the United States is willing to help.
"We would, if they choose to develop [an aircraft-carrier program], help them to the degree that they seek and the degree that we're capable, in developing their programs," Adm. Keating said.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1845931/posts
U.S. may share missile info with China
WASHINGTON, June 4 (UPI) -- The United States would "seriously" consider sharing technology and missile warning intelligence with China, (Secretary of Defense Gates) the U.S. defense chief said Sunday.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1846099/posts
Used to be called a "FOBS"--it was contemplated the Soviets would use them in a first strike against us, travelling low, under the NORAD radars.
Sauron
something for your ping list?
I have to vote for the skeptical side on this one, having witnessed countless strategic blunders committed in national security by the Bush administration.
All under cover of being the "adults" in such.
Senator Jon Kyl has been completely mystified at the Dept. of Homeland Security's completely ignoring the Senate Commission Report urgently recommending that we needed to be budgeting at least $14 billion for emergency proactive preparations for an EMP attack. That measley $14 billion could easily spare us 14 TRILLION in damages, and the loss of our liberty.
Homeland security has consistently zeroed out this concern in their budgetary planning.
I rest my case.
Well I know a little about EMP having managed the design of military communications gear for many years. For military applications EMP design is pretty standard and really not that big a deal. You have to add shunting circuitry at all the inputs (power, antenna etc.) that would be susceptible to an EMP attack. So I’m betting that the military is in pretty good shape.
As for the U.S. there is no hope that commercial receivers and other communications equipment will ever be made EMP-proof. That is just not practical. OTOH, I suppose the $14 Billion was for the protection of the major communications infrastructure. That might or might not be a wise investment. Personally I’d put the money into next generation ICBM defense and the early warning radar technology. They are doing very well in that arena and I believe that we are better off developing systems to prevent a successful attack than burning it on systems to survive nuclear war. Just MHO.
I really dig your Outlook style replies (blue color). Wish there was a way to do this automatically on FR.
No, we are not going to bankrupt China, Wallmart would never ever let that happen.
But, the last figures I saw indicated that the rapidly growing GDP of the Chinese would match that of the United States in about the year 3000 or so. I'm exaggerating because I don't remember the real date but in any case I don't think your grandchildren will be around to witness that event. In any case you have to realize that at this point in time we are easily able to outspend the Chinese in the development of military technology and we have a huge head start. We may give them some technology but it will never be our best. We don't even give our best to the Brits. That's just U.S. policy, even under Clinton.
“Plus we educate every one of our enemies while Americans can’t afford school.”
When you’re educating half of Mexico the funds sometimes get a little thin.
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