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CNN expunged "don't ask, don't tell" question and answers in rebroadcasts of debate
mediamatters.org ^ | Nov. 29, 2007

Posted on 11/29/2007 4:48:05 PM PST by AuntB

Summary: Rebroadcasts of the CNN/YouTube debate for Republican presidential candidates omitted a question from a retired brigadier general about the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy, as well as the candidates' answers to the question. CNN did not note the omission.

In rebroadcasts of the November 28 CNN/YouTube debate for Republican presidential candidates, CNN expunged, without disclosure, a segment in which retired Brig. Gen. Keith Kerr asked the candidates to address "why you think that American men and women in uniform are not professional enough to serve with gays and lesbians." Kerr is a member of the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Americans for Hillary Clinton steering committee and a co-chairman of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's (D-NY) Veterans and Military Retirees for Hillary Committee. In rebroadcasts of the debate at midnight ET and 3 a.m. ET on November 29, CNN omitted the Kerr question, as well as the candidates' answers to his question.

University of Southern California professor Marty Kaplan noted the omission in a blog entry on The Huffington Post, writing:

MORNING AFTER PILL UPDATE V: When CNN rebroadcast the debate, according to commenter AdamDek, the don't-ask-don't-tell question from Brig. Gen. (ret.) Keith Kerr was edited out of the program. Gone! Just like that.

In a statement published in a November 29 post on CNN's Political Ticker blog, CNN senior vice president David Bohrman, the executive producer of the debate, apologized for selecting Kerr's question, given his campaign affiliation: "We regret this, and apologize to the Republican candidates. We never would have used the General's question had we known that he was connected to any presidential candidate."

On the November 29 edition of American Morning, co-host John Roberts interviewed Kerr and asked, "Now, did anyone from Hillary Clinton's campaign or from the steering committee or anyone else associated with a political organization put you up to the idea of asking this question?" Kerr responded: "Absolutely not. This was a private initiative on my own."

From the November 29 edition of CNN's American Morning:

ROBERTS: There were questions this morning about one of last night's questioners. It turns out that a retired general had links to the Clinton campaign. Here's his question, as submitted on YouTube.

KERR [video clip]: My name is Keith Kerr, of Santa Rosa, California. I'm a retired brigadier general with 43 years of service. And I'm a graduate of the Special Forces Officer Course, the Command and General Staff Course, and the Army War College, and I'm an openly gay man. I want to know why you think that American men and women in uniform are not professional enough to serve with gays and lesbians.

ROBERTS: So there's the question, and retired Army Brigadier General Keith Kerr joins me now this morning. We discovered after the debate last night that you are, in fact, a member of Hillary Clinton's Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgendered steering committee. We did not -- we did a background check, and we found that you have not made any campaign contributions to any candidate. Does that still stand?

KERR: That's correct.

ROBERTS: OK. Well, let me ask you about your position on this steering committee. What does that entail, and have you, in fact, done any work for Hillary Clinton's campaign?

KERR: I have not done any work. Several friends asked me if I would allow my name to be listed, and I agreed because she is such a strong advocate of gay and lesbian rights.

ROBERTS: So this really hasn't required anything on your part other than lending your name to it?

KERR: Correct.

ROBERTS: Now, did anyone from Hillary Clinton's campaign or from the steering committee or anyone else associated with a political organization put you up to the idea of asking this question?

KERR: Absolutely not. This was a private initiative on my own.

From the original airing of the November 28 CNN/YouTube Republican presidential candidates debate:

KERR: My name is Keith Kerr, of Santa Rosa, California. I'm a retired brigadier general with 43 years of service. And I'm a graduate of the Special Forces Officer Course, the Command and General Staff Course, and the Army War College, and I'm an openly gay man. I want to know why you think that American men and women in uniform are not professional enough to serve with gays and lesbians.

COOPER: I want to point out that Brigadier General Keith Kerr is here with us tonight. Glad you're here. Again, the question to Congressman [Duncan] Hunter [CA].

HUNTER: Yeah. General, thanks for your service, but I believe in what [former Secretary of State and retired Army Gen.] Colin Powell said when he said that having openly homosexual people serving in the ranks would be bad for unit cohesion. And the reason for that, even though people point to the Israelis and point to the Brits and point to other people as having homosexuals serve, is that most Americans, most kids who leave that breakfast table and go out and serve in the military and make that corporate decision with their family, most of them are conservatives. And they have conservative values, and they have Judeo-Christian values. And to force those people to work in a small, tight unit with somebody who is openly homosexual, who goes against what they believe to be their principles -- and it is their principles -- is I think a disservice to them. And I agree with Colin Powell that it would be bad for unit cohesion.

COOPER: I want to direct this to [former Arkansas] Governor [Mike] Huckabee. Thirty seconds.

HUCKABEE: The Uniform Code of Military Justice is probably the best rule, and it has to do with conduct. People have a right to have whatever feelings, whatever attitudes they wish, but when their conduct could put at risk the morale, or put at risk even the cohesion that Duncan Hunter spoke of, I think that's what is at issue. And that's why our policy is what it is.

COOPER: [Former Massachusetts] Governor [Mitt] Romney, you said in 1994 that you looked forward to the day when gays and lesbians could serve, and I quote, "openly and honestly in our nation's military." Do you stand by that?

ROMNEY: This isn't that time. This is not that time. We're in the middle of a war. The people who have watched --

COOPER: Do you look forward to that time, though, one day?

ROMNEY: I'm going to listen to the people who run the military to see what the circumstances are like, and my view is that, at this stage, this is not the time for us to make that kind of a change.

COOPER: Is that a change in your position from --

ROMNEY: Yeah, I didn't think it would work. I didn't think "don't ask, don't tell" would work. That was my -- I didn't think that would work. I thought that was a policy -- when I heard about it, I laughed. I said, "That doesn't make any sense to me." And you know what? It's been there now for, what, 15 years? It seems to have worked.

COOPER: So, just so I'm clear, at this point, do you still look forward to a day when gays can serve openly in the military or no longer?

ROMNEY: I look forward to hearing from the military exactly what they believe is the right way to have the right kind of cohesion and support in our troops, and I'll listen to what they have to say.

COOPER: All right. General Kerr is -- as I said, is here. Please stand up, General. Thank you very much for being with us. Did you feel you got an answer to your question?

KERR: With all due respect, I did not get an answer from the candidates.

COOPER: What do you -- what do you feel you did not --

KERR: American men and women in the military are professional enough to serve with gays and lesbians. For 42 years, I wore the Army uniform on active duty, in the Reserve, and also for the state of California. I revealed I was a gay man after I retired. Today, "don't ask, don't tell" is destructive to our military policy. Every day, the Department of Defense discharges two people, not for misconduct, not for the unit cohesion --

COOPER: Wait, the mike is -- you've lost -- is the microphone not working? All right. Please, just finish your -- what is your question?

KERR: Not for the unit cohesion that Congressman Hunter is talking about, but simply because they happen to be gay.

COOPER: OK. Senator [John] McCain [AZ].

KERR: And we're talking about doctors, nurses, pilots, and the surgeon who sews somebody up when they're taken from the battlefield.

COOPER: I appreciate your comment. Senator McCain, I want to give you 30 seconds. You served in the military.

McCAIN: General, I thank you for your service to our nation. I respect it. All the time, I talk to our military leaders, beginning with our joint chiefs of staff and the leaders in the field, such as General [David] Petraeus and General [Raymond] Odierno and others who are designated leaders with the responsibility of the safety of the men and women under their command and their security and protect them as best they can. Almost unanimously, they tell me that this present policy is working, that we have the best military in history, that we have the bravest, most professional, best prepared, and that this policy ought to be continued because it's working.


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HUNTER TO HILLARY CLINTON DEBATE PLANT: "THANKS, SEND MORE!" Email from Duncan Hunter campaign | Nov 29, 2007

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: November 29, 2007

CONTACT: Gary Becks (619) 334-1655, dlhunter08@yahoo.com

San Diego, CA - - - GOP Presidential candidate Congressman Duncan Hunter (R-CA) today sent the following response to Senator Hillary Clinton who planted a member of her campaign staff in the audience to ask a question at the Republican debate last evening in Florida. The retired military general, who announced during his question that he was gay, asked the candidates about their position on the Pentagon's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy regarding homosexuals serving in the military.

November 29, 2007

Dear Senator Clinton,

Regarding the "plant", retired Brig. Gen. Keith H. Kerr, that you sent to ask me the question at the CNN-YouTube debate last night in Florida …

Send more!!!

Merry Christmas,

Duncan Hunter

Hunter is currently campaigning in South Carolina and will be appearing on the Jim Bohannan nationally syndicated radio program this evening at 10:00 p.m. (EST). http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1932488/posts?page=75#75

1 posted on 11/29/2007 4:48:08 PM PST by AuntB
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To: calcowgirl; LilAngel; pissant; Paperdoll; Calpernia; All

Media collusion ping!


2 posted on 11/29/2007 4:49:27 PM PST by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: AuntB
Now we can really see the lengths that the MSM will go to bury Duncan Hunter. I wish he had a million bucks to rebroadcast that Youtube clip as an advertizement.
3 posted on 11/29/2007 4:51:27 PM PST by Candor7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baghdad_(1258))
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To: AuntB

It never happened. Anyone who says they saw a gay General asking a debate question is delusional.


4 posted on 11/29/2007 4:53:23 PM PST by Rb ver. 2.0 (Global warming is the new Marxism.)
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To: AuntB

If their ploy had worked, they be giving it extra air time, instead of cutting it out of the replays.


5 posted on 11/29/2007 4:53:31 PM PST by LilAngel (FReeping on a cell phone is like making Christmas dinner in an Easy Bake Oven)
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To: AuntB

GOP should not do debates on CNN.


6 posted on 11/29/2007 4:54:14 PM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: AuntB

What unbelievable chickenshits.


7 posted on 11/29/2007 4:54:26 PM PST by txhurl (Yes there were WMDs)
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To: AuntB

Down the memory hole.


8 posted on 11/29/2007 4:55:11 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: Candor7

no, not for this. This questioner was a fraud and CNN was caught.


9 posted on 11/29/2007 4:58:26 PM PST by ari-freedom (Any theory can appear to explain facts if the theory has enough variables.)
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To: Candor7

The sneak attack really made Hunter stand out but you’ll notice that they are barely mentioning Hunter in the reporting of the incident despite the fact that he was the clearly intended target.


10 posted on 11/29/2007 4:58:39 PM PST by cripplecreek (Only one consistent conservative in this race and his name is Hunter.)
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To: AuntB

Let me guess—their motto is, Lie, cheat, and distort, then say it never happened.


11 posted on 11/29/2007 5:19:36 PM PST by MizSterious (Deport all the illegals to sanctuary cities.)
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To: AuntB

Pants on fire ping.


12 posted on 11/29/2007 5:21:00 PM PST by LurkedLongEnough (Music washes away the dust of every day life. ---Art Blakey)
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To: Candor7

good thing for youtube and the like!


13 posted on 11/29/2007 5:26:39 PM PST by RDTF ("Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear - not absence of fear". Mark Twain)
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To: AuntB

Wow, they totally omitted it? looks like it backfired, because it sure made Hunter look good!

Dirtbags. They didn’t get the devastating moment they tried to manufacture, so let’s just pretend it never happened.


14 posted on 11/29/2007 5:29:10 PM PST by ovrtaxt (You're a destiny that God wrapped a body around.)
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To: txflake

HAHA! Astute analysis there! :p


15 posted on 11/29/2007 5:30:12 PM PST by ovrtaxt (You're a destiny that God wrapped a body around.)
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To: AuntB
CNN’s 1984 memory hole department at work
16 posted on 11/29/2007 5:34:00 PM PST by tophat9000 (You need to have standards to fail and be a hypocrite, Dem's therefor are never hypocrites)
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To: AuntB
From this CNN article, posted on their site on Monday, November 26th:

While the GOP debate will also face a YouTube audience, don't expect to hear the same questions.

"This debate is to let Republican voters pick from among their eight candidates," said David Bohrman, Washington bureau chief and senior vice president for CNN. "We are trying to focus mostly on questions where there are differences among these candidates."

Well, I think if they really wanted Republican voters to be able to pick from the candidates, that CNN would not have used incendiary questions from DemocRAT plants, campaign volunteers and union insiders; rather they would use questions from Republican voters.

CNN is truly the Clinton News Network.

Media whores.

17 posted on 11/29/2007 5:37:31 PM PST by tgslTakoma
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To: cripplecreek
The sneak attack really made Hunter stand out but you’ll notice that they are barely mentioning Hunter in the reporting of the incident despite the fact that he was the clearly intended target

Yep. They expunged it because Hunter's reply wasn't what they were hoping for. His answer damaged Hillary's cause.

18 posted on 11/29/2007 5:41:54 PM PST by Perchant
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To: edcoil
GOP should not do debates on CNN

GOP should not do debates on CNN Television.

19 posted on 11/29/2007 5:43:56 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: AuntB
Kerr is a member of the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Americans for Hillary Clinton steering committee and a co-chairman of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's (D-NY) Veterans and Military Retirees for Hillary Committee.

This was a REPUBLICAN DEBATE!!!! It is one level of BS to have a Democrat ask questions at a debate of the opposite party. It is completely UNETHICAL to have a Democrat committed to a particular Democrat candidate, let alone the candidate whose husband PUT THE POLICY IN PLACE to be asking any questions!!!! I knew there was something rotten in Denmark when I heard this guy. These questions were supposed to originate from Republicans and Indepedents, not Democrats - especially a Democrat ACTIVIST!!!

Just when I thought the debate was reasonably fair, by CNN standards, this has completely changed my view.

There should be an uproar.

20 posted on 11/29/2007 5:46:57 PM PST by torchthemummy ("A Tagline Presidential Endorsement Forfeits A Presumption Of Objectivity")
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To: Rb ver. 2.0
Anyone who says they saw a gay General asking a debate question is delusional.

Ah, the "delusions" of grander that CNN totes while driving the modern day information highway.

21 posted on 11/29/2007 5:49:42 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: AuntB

Hunter was just too damn good in response to the charade and, therefore, he must be cut from the airways.


22 posted on 11/29/2007 5:49:51 PM PST by Gene Eric
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To: P-Marlowe

“GOP should not do debates on CNN”

“GOP should not do debates on CNN Television.”

True !...Now back to Fox....That should teach the Repubclucks never again to debate on CNN.Probably made CNN’s ratings go up for a night..Now back to the garbage can for CNN.


23 posted on 11/29/2007 5:53:51 PM PST by billmor (The Grouch in the Garbage Can (from Sesame Street)- Hey! I don't watch CNN !)
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To: AuntB
ROBERTS: So there's the question, and retired Army Brigadier General Keith Kerr joins me now this morning. We discovered after the debate last night that you are, in fact, a member of Hillary Clinton's Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgendered steering committee. We did not -- we did a background check, and we found that you have not made any campaign contributions to any candidate. Does that still stand?

Roberts does his best attempt to exonerate the General but only goes on to prove that not only did the General not disclose his conflict of interest, he must have lied about being a Republican.

24 posted on 11/29/2007 5:55:28 PM PST by torchthemummy ("A Tagline Presidential Endorsement Forfeits A Presumption Of Objectivity")
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To: billmor
True !...Now back to Fox...

The Giuliani Network (FOX) is no better than CNN.

The GOP should do all their debates on Radio, or in the alternative, the GOP should buy time from the Networks and produce their own debate.

No more debates controlled by the MSM. And Fox is part of the MSM.

25 posted on 11/29/2007 5:56:28 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: AuntB
In a related story, CNN reports that we have never been at war with Oceania, we are at war with Eastasia.

-PJ

26 posted on 11/29/2007 5:57:33 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (Repeal the 17th amendment -- it's the "Fairness Doctrine" for Congress!)
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To: torchthemummy
CNN's malfeasance is even more unethical beyond belief. This is the lead story headline on Michelle Malkin's site:

Digging out more CNN/YouTube plants: Abortion questioner is declared Edwards supporter (and a slobbering Anderson Cooper fan); Log Cabin Republican questioner is declared Obama supporter; lead toy questioner is a prominent union activist for the Edwards-endorsing United Steelworkers

That makes FOUR PLANTS and counting.

27 posted on 11/29/2007 6:00:51 PM PST by torchthemummy ("A Tagline Presidential Endorsement Forfeits A Presumption Of Objectivity")
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To: AuntB

Hunter’s answer was brilliant! I can’t wait until he debates Hillary in person, and not through one of her secret agents!


28 posted on 11/29/2007 6:03:38 PM PST by Palladin ("How do we beat The Bitch?"--John McCain Supporter)
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To: AuntB; All

The newest version of “Redacted” ?????


29 posted on 11/29/2007 6:04:02 PM PST by xcamel (FDT/2008)
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To: torchthemummy

What a bunch of tools! Did they think no one would find out?

CNN gets the 2007 Dan Rather Award for truth and accuracy in media!


30 posted on 11/29/2007 6:05:17 PM PST by Palladin ("How do we beat The Bitch?"--John McCain Supporter)
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To: WalterSkinner; RasterMaster

Duncan Hunter ping


31 posted on 11/29/2007 6:19:16 PM PST by CounterCounterCulture (Duncan Hunter / Alan Keyes 2008)
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To: MizSterious

No, lie, cheat, distort, DEFEND YOUR BEHAVIOR, and then say it never happened. If it never happened, why defend your behavior? If your behavior was fine, why expunge it?


32 posted on 11/29/2007 6:20:14 PM PST by firebrand
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To: CounterCounterCulture
CNN expunged "don't ask, don't tell" question and answers in rebroadcasts of debate

..too late, the toothpaste is out of the tube...

33 posted on 11/29/2007 6:23:01 PM PST by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: cripplecreek
The sneak attack really made Hunter stand out but you’ll notice that they are barely mentioning Hunter in the reporting of the incident despite the fact that he was the clearly intended target.

I liked Hunter's answer, as well as the others. I think the target of this question, and many of the others, was the Republican Party. Gays in the military? Confederate Flags? Who are they kidding?

34 posted on 11/29/2007 6:24:04 PM PST by TN4Liberty (A liberal is someone who believes Scooter Libby should be in jail and Bill Clinton should not.)
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To: torchthemummy

I’ll bet the general has lied about more than that. If he didn’t come out of the closet until after he retired doesn’t that mean he lied on documents when he entered the service?


35 posted on 11/29/2007 6:24:21 PM PST by abigailsmybaby (I was born with nothing. So far I have most of it left.)
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To: Palladin
What a bunch of tools! Did they think no one would find out?

Worse yet they're still not admitting about all the other "undecided" questioners.

36 posted on 11/29/2007 6:29:35 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: Political Junkie Too

No, we are now at war with Upper Slobbovia, Middle Slobbovia and Lower Slobbovia, the home of the “Slobic nations”.

While we are at this foolishness, let’s have some more fun.

Re Gen. Kerr:

*What does he really mean when he tells his men to ‘stand at attention.’?

* He went to Command and Staff School. Define “staff”.

* I won’t even touch “Special Forces”.

* Gives new meaning to “I love a man in uniform”.

* Will Hillary make him her Chief of Staff?

I apologize to anyone who I offend with this post, but it just begs for some humor.

Now, about that bear in the Sudan!


37 posted on 11/29/2007 6:44:56 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper (Madmax, the Grinning Reaper)
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To: AuntB

As a Fredhead, I’ve got to say, Bravo! Duncan Hunter! on the answer and the Hillary email.


38 posted on 11/29/2007 6:46:23 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: abigailsmybaby

Good point and most assuredly the case if you buy the gay lobby’s assertion that being gay is genetic. If you don’t then the General has disproved one of their #1 defenses.


39 posted on 11/29/2007 6:47:22 PM PST by torchthemummy ("A Tagline Presidential Endorsement Forfeits A Presumption Of Objectivity")
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To: abigailsmybaby
I’ll bet the general has lied about more than that. If he didn’t come out of the closet until after he retired doesn’t that mean he lied on documents when he entered the service?

Most likely yes. I'm pretty sure my original enlistment papers in 1982 still asked if you were queer. And I know pre-don't-ask-don't-tell security clearance checks did.

40 posted on 11/29/2007 6:48:25 PM PST by GATOR NAVY
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To: GATOR NAVY; torchthemummy

Isn’t that punishable?


41 posted on 11/29/2007 6:56:24 PM PST by abigailsmybaby (I was born with nothing. So far I have most of it left.)
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To: firebrand
I think they expunged it because the general was not the cool,charming,good-looking,physically fit,smooth,eloquent and bright person that the homosexual community prefers to use as representative of homosexuals.

Instead he was an old,disheveled,gravelly voiced,unattractive,inarticulate,grand standing bozo that asked a nonsensical question.

Furthermore,Cooper chose to prolong this poor speciman's minutes of "face time" by giving him the mike after the question had been dealt with quite adequately and the old coot went blithering on. I bet every gay and gay sympathizer got word to CNN to deep six the whole encounter.

If he had been appealing,they would have let it stand and toughed it out. As it was,it was to the Republicans benefit had they kept it. If Republicans were smart they would demand that it be put back in.

If I were a Democrat or a homosexual I would demand that Cooper be fired for making such a dumb,transparent move and aiding the enemy so to speak.

42 posted on 11/29/2007 6:57:35 PM PST by saradippity
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To: torchthemummy

When Kerr read his bio/don’t-ask-don’t-tell question, I remember smelling BS but when Anderson Cooper went back to Kerr and asked whether his question had been answered that’s when my radar really went up. You don’t let the questioner get the last word. The questioner gets to ask a question and then shuts up. To do otherwise would require the same follow-up opportunity being afforded to all the other questioners (ie. plants!)


43 posted on 11/29/2007 7:01:52 PM PST by torchthemummy ("A Tagline Presidential Endorsement Forfeits A Presumption Of Objectivity")
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To: AuntB

Morning after pill ... LOL. More likely CNN engaged in a little retroactive abortion, though.


44 posted on 11/29/2007 7:03:48 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
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To: tgslTakoma
"We are trying to focus mostly on questions where there are differences among these candidates."

The scary thing about CNN is they believe they are unbiased.

45 posted on 11/29/2007 7:06:05 PM PST by alrea (Surveillance for national security: bad. Surveillance for election: good)
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To: tgslTakoma

Yep, your statement nails it, that is the outrage.


46 posted on 11/29/2007 7:06:28 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
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To: WalterSkinner

A clear admission one rugmuncher concert master was had by another rump ranger. It was the modus operandi of Clinton operative. Cooper did what he was told. The Republicans should never set foot on a cnn set again.


47 posted on 11/29/2007 7:06:32 PM PST by Texas Songwriter
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To: saradippity

You are absolutely right.


48 posted on 11/29/2007 7:10:19 PM PST by khnyny (Although prepared for martyrdom, I preferred that it be postponed. Winston Churchill)
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To: AuntB

Whaddaya expect from the Clinton Necromancy Nematodes?


49 posted on 11/29/2007 7:15:07 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: AuntB

I downloaded the two .wmv debate videos from CNN.com, and spent a long time trying to find this moment by fast-forwarding the video - now I know why I missed it. CNN took it out of the videos on cnn.com as well.


50 posted on 11/29/2007 7:25:31 PM PST by Quackattack
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