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The War on "No" Is Child "Centered Parenting" producing a generation of brats?
Babble ^ | 11/30/07 | Kathryn J. Alexander

Posted on 11/30/2007 8:18:46 AM PST by qam1

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To: TalonDJ

I’m not responding since we don’t always get what we want.


41 posted on 11/30/2007 9:58:38 AM PST by art_rocks
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To: OldNukeDaddy
At fifteen months, it seems like we are experiencing the “terrible two’s”.

You do know why they call them the "terrible two's", right? It's a phase that starts when they're two but, don't worry, it ends when they turn twenty two. :=)

42 posted on 11/30/2007 9:58:57 AM PST by Bob
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To: Think free or die
help with yard work and house cleaning, which was a normal thing in households of our youth. In our community, this is now rare.

It's amazing how many people don't manage their own homes... When I was young, my parents bought a good sized farm in Quakertown, PA. Besides getting out of the city (well, for few years) my father wanted us to learn how to work. I could use an ax, shoot and clean various guns and care for animals before I was in first grade.

As for the word 'No'. We were not generally not permitted to use the word 'No'. My parents taught us the only responses that they should hear from us was 'yes sir' and 'yes mam'

44 posted on 11/30/2007 10:05:46 AM PST by NativeSon (off the Rez without a pass...)
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To: qam1

Whatever the experts say. I’m so glad that I’ve raised mine and wouldn’t even consider doing it again in today’s society. It’s like running a race on a track full of tacks and nails with a crowd throwing beer bottles at you and finally being disqualified by crooked judges after you’ve won.


46 posted on 11/30/2007 10:10:13 AM PST by Joan Kerrey (Believe nothing of what you hear or read and half of what you see.)
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To: qam1

I work at a local YMCA, and some of the children are so poorly behaved. One child was throwing a screaming tantrum because he didn’t want to leave, simply lying on his back and screaming while his parent watched. A few minutes later, he was running around on the pool deck. I talked to him about it, and told the father what I had just said. The father said ‘Oh, he’s almost five, and I can’t get anything through to him.’ I was completely floored that a parent would allow a child that old to simply scream their head off in public without telling them to stop because he just assumed that his kid wouldn’t listen. The only thing I hate more is the occasional parent who tells the kids it’s OK to break the rules - just because you’re their parent doesn’t mean that you’re the absolute authority in this world.


47 posted on 11/30/2007 10:16:23 AM PST by Hyzenthlay (Halo 3 is making me realise that Microsoft is not entirely evil.)
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To: Dasaji
...we treat our kids as equals, not as parent-child...

Too true.

When did the notion that a household is a democracy with each inhabitant having an equal vote become prevalent? Since 2003, I have told my children that if our house was a country, the United States would have liberated them by now.

48 posted on 11/30/2007 10:19:14 AM PST by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: ßuddaßudd

“No” was my oldest son’s first word (he’s now almost 8). Guess he heard it a lot! And, I’m glad to say, he and his little brother STILL hear it a lot!


49 posted on 11/30/2007 10:25:16 AM PST by jnygrl (A big mouth coupled with a small mind is a dangerous combination)
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To: qam1
From the article:

...when parents create a household where the children cannot rely on them to say "no," or to set clear limits, the children lose a sense of safety, a sense of organization about the world around them, and the ability to experience and integrate the basic life lessons necessary for them to evolve into well-developed and mature adults.

What this child too often gains when parents indulge and overprotect ... is a profound sense of entitlement, a disregard for the needs of others, and an inability to put forth the genuine effort needed to develop — academically, socially, and emotionally.

50 posted on 11/30/2007 10:52:37 AM PST by Albion Wilde (America: “the most benign hegemon in history.”—Mark Steyn)
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To: art_rocks

I was not looking for a response. I did not say it to get a rise I said it to point out the logical dissonance you may have missed. Yes that is a better technique than what the article talks about. But, no, that is not actually putting your foot down. It can’t fully be since you are simultaneously reminding her of something she DOES get away with.


51 posted on 11/30/2007 10:59:10 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: OldNukeDaddy
He will frequently say “no, no, no, ...” as he is doing what we have previously told him not to do.

LOL! We've been through that with several children! "Bad baby, don't hit kitty!" as she's chasing the cat with a spoon in her hand ...

"Natural consequences" will take care of some of this, as your son's reasoning processes develop. He'll notice that the cat bites, the stove burns, and the books fall off the shelf on his head. My 3-year-old recently showed a scratch on his hand to our priest, and explained, "Bad James! It's your own fault the cat doesn't like you!"

(Father was a bit confused, because - in addition to being hard of hearing - he's also named James!)

52 posted on 11/30/2007 11:03:07 AM PST by Tax-chick (Every committee wants to take over the world.)
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To: qam1
YES!
53 posted on 11/30/2007 11:35:34 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: hunter112
They seem oblivious to well-managed stares and ‘the hairy eyeball’.

Speak up and shame them.

(But know they WILL not like it!)

54 posted on 11/30/2007 11:37:50 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: OldNukeDaddy
as he is doing what we have previously told him not to do.

And what are the consequences of this behavior?

55 posted on 11/30/2007 11:38:58 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: NativeSon
My parents taught us the only responses that they should hear from us was 'yes sir' and 'yes mam'

I love it!

56 posted on 11/30/2007 11:40:38 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Dasaji
Not only that, but from *very* young ages, they are told they can call Children-Youth Services if they feel they are being ‘abused.’

My oldest daughter tried that on her mother, who said: "Go ahead. Maybe you'll be happier in your new home."

She never tried it again.

57 posted on 11/30/2007 12:12:27 PM PST by Max in Utah (If your neighbors habitually trespassed, wouldn't you want a nice tall fence with razor wire on top?)
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To: Tax-chick
LOL! We've been through that with several children! "Bad baby, don't hit kitty!" as she's chasing the cat with a spoon in her hand ...

Kids say the darndest things...Here are a couple from my own.

My daughter, at a younger age, used to start a temper tantrum by yelling, "What's my Problem!!!!" This likely came from her mother (and my loving wife) asking her the same question as she started a meltdown.

Worse...

After hurricane Katrina, we donated things. My daughter participated and donated toys (Goodwill, Garage sales, charities, etc.) to the "Hurricane kids." The news was everywhere and we showed her on the news how people were suffering from the storms and why they needed our help. Not long after, we were at a parade. A couple of young children of African American decent wandered up next to us on the crowded street to catch candy that people in the parade were throwing for the children. My same daughter announced loud enough for all to hear, "Mommy, look! There are Hurricane Kids here."

My wife sat down in here lawn chair and buried her head. I pretended not to know the little girl.

58 posted on 11/30/2007 12:14:24 PM PST by Tenacious 1 (The earth is getting Warmer! It ain't my fault. Let's boycott Mother Nature!)
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To: qam1

Yes.
Next question...


59 posted on 11/30/2007 12:15:34 PM PST by BlueNgold (Feed the Tree .....)
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To: Bush_Democrat

Our kids already know that we are “the best parents ever” (although they are all under 13!). I taped a show I stopped at while clicking and we watched some show on “Biggest Bling Bashes” (or something). It was the most expensive “Sweet 16” parties - probably was MTV or something. Anyway, the cameras followed the kids (and sometimes the parents) on their preperations for the party.

Highest one was 1.3 million - but that included a $1 million dollar price for some rap guy to appear that was under contract by the kids dad, so I’m not sure that should have counted.

The one bratty girl in California was crying and carrying on at her birthday dinner with her parents because they didn’t buy her a new car like she wanted. (She was looking at a Range Rover). This was a week after coming back from Paris looking for dresses to wear to her party!)

Anyway, the Dad gave her the car ($75,000 customized Rover) on the day of her party - but on one condition - that she respect him and her Mom).

Anyway - I could go on and on. My kids thought it was stupid and foolish and could tell that the girl was a spoiled rotten brat.


60 posted on 11/30/2007 12:24:34 PM PST by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory. ------ www.gohunter08.com ------)
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