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Marine general: Special Forces unit should have stayed in Afghanistan after shooting
AP via the North County Times ^ | November 29, 2007 | LOLITA C. BALDOR

Posted on 11/30/2007 8:15:25 PM PST by RedRover

WASHINGTON -- A Marine company involved in the shooting of civilians in Afghanistan last March responded appropriately to an ambush against them, and should not have been pulled out of the country, the commander of Marine Corps special forces said Thursday.

Marine Maj. Gen. Dennis J. Hejlik, head of Marine Corps Special Operations Command, also told reporters that a legal tribunal investigating the incident has been postponed until mid-January at the request of one of the officers involved.

"Obviously it was not my decision to bring the company out of theater," Hejlik said. "It was the theater commander's decision. I will never second guess the commander on the ground. I will say, I did not agree with it. To this day, I do not agree with it."

Eight members of the Marine Corps company involved in the March 4 shooting -- which left as many as 19 civilians dead and 50 injured -- were ordered back to Camp Lejune after the incident, and the rest of the company was told to leave Afghanistan and return to ships in the Persian Gulf.

Hejlik, however, stopped short of clearing the Marines of any blame in the incident, saying he could not speak to what may have happened after the initial ambush, when the unit was returning to their base.

A preliminary military investigation found that the Marines used excessive force and referred it for possible criminal inquiry. And Afghanistan's Independent Human Rights Commission said in a report that the troops fired indiscriminately at pedestrians and people in cars, buses and taxis in six different locations along a 10-mile stretch of road in Nangahar province after an explosives-rigged minivan crashed into their convoy.

In other comments, Hejlik said the creation of the new Marine Special Operations Command is moving along well. So far, he said, there are about 1,700 Marines in the special forces command, and he will reach the goal of 2,600 by late 2008.

The Marines formally entered the world of military special operations in February 2006, under the direction of then-Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

Hejlik said he expects the units to continue to work in Afghanistan, and also to concentrate their efforts in the Pentagon's new Africa Command that is being set up now. A key priority, he said, is to work with military from other nations, providing training and additional expertise.

Rumsfeld added Marines to the Pentagon's Special Operations Command because he said the military needed to continue to adapt to the tactics of terror networks such as al-Qaida, who use unconventional warfare to counter American firepower.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; army; commander; dennisjhejlik; genkearney; hejlik; kearney; majgenhejlik; majgenkearney; marines; marsoc; oef; specialops
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This investigation has been grinding along slowly. I hadn't seen an update for some months until now.
1 posted on 11/30/2007 8:15:27 PM PST by RedRover
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To: bigheadfred; Girlene; PAR35; Lancey Howard; xzins; jazusamo; smoothsailing; Paul Heinzman

2 posted on 11/30/2007 8:17:18 PM PST by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: RedRover

I notice Marine Maj. Gen. Hejlik didn’t name then Army Maj. Gen. Kearney who was since promoted as the one who ordered them out. I hope this screwup by him along with unwarranted charges brought against others gets him drummed out of the Army.


3 posted on 11/30/2007 8:34:32 PM PST by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: jazusamo

You and me both, jaz! The Green Beret case was a disgrace.


4 posted on 11/30/2007 8:37:20 PM PST by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: RedRover

MARINES ARE NOT SPECIAL FORCES!!!!

Marines take hills and kill people. Let it be at that...even if that means alot of money is left on the table


5 posted on 11/30/2007 8:40:18 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: RedRover
A Marine company involved in the shooting of civilians in Afghanistan last March responded appropriately to an ambush against them, and should not have been pulled out of the country, Marine Maj. Gen. Dennis J. Hejlik, head of Marine Corps Special Operations Command said Thursday.

Kudos to Major General Hejlik !! It's always nice to see a stand-up commander in a sea of political cowards. There ARE some good guys out there in command positions. Hopefully that assclown Secretary of the Navy Winter doesn't give Hejlik a finger wagging.

6 posted on 11/30/2007 8:41:03 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: 2banana
Rumor has it that the Army feels the same way. There's info on MARSOC at the LINK.
7 posted on 11/30/2007 8:44:04 PM PST by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: 2banana

Have Recon and Force Recon been disbanded?
They would be considered special forces.


8 posted on 11/30/2007 8:44:48 PM PST by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days.)
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To: smoketree
They would be considered special forces.

No. Special Forces are trained for fighting behind enemy lines in unconventional warfare.

9 posted on 11/30/2007 8:46:32 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Lancey Howard
Agreed! This is really refreshing!

Maj. Gen. Dennis J. Hejlik, Commander, MARSOC

10 posted on 11/30/2007 8:46:58 PM PST by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: jazusamo
Here is the fine Army General who decided to do what needed to be done to lick the PC lollipop in order to get another star.

Notice the subtle brown discoloration of the nose and the well pursed lips from years of practicing doing push ups with them in order to apply the correct pressure on the rear end up the line from him.

I'm just happy that this fine warrior decided to prosecute Marine Special Forces, which are in competition with Army operators in FAO for funding and equipment.

funny how all the Marines are just killing the cr@p out of innocents all of a sudden.

If you want to know who the enemy is afraid of, look at who the lawyers are prosecuting. Blackwater, Special Operations, Marines, ...... anybody that is in the mix and killing the bad guys is just one AP photographer, one NY Times reporter, one eager JAG off, or one field commander with his eye on the next rung of the ladder away from going to Leavenworth or getting your life destroyed by having to live a legal nightmare.

Oh and for those apologizing for the Gen's decision, don't care what the assh@t did in the past, he's screwing our Marines now.

11 posted on 11/30/2007 8:48:00 PM PST by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: 2banana

So they’re the same as all other Marines???????


12 posted on 11/30/2007 8:50:36 PM PST by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days.)
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To: smoketree
So they’re the same as all other Marines???????

Yeah - but now they get some of the SOCOM budget!

13 posted on 11/30/2007 8:52:01 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Dick Vomer

Well said, DV and I was in the Army.


14 posted on 11/30/2007 8:54:10 PM PST by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: 2banana

That’s not what Recon Marines told me. they went on special missions behind lines in Indian country in small groups. Not exactly storming hills and taking objectives.
I know someone who trains Force Recon teams with Seal teams and that is not what they say.
Are they wrong?


15 posted on 11/30/2007 8:55:08 PM PST by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days.)
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To: smoketree; 2banana
So they’re the same as all other Marines???????

Yes. The Marines long ago deliberately rejected any kind of "special" designations because ALL Marines are "special forces".

16 posted on 11/30/2007 8:56:18 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: RedRover
Excessive force my ass...superior fire power.

Because of NATO feel good policy, half of Afghanistan is supposedly back in taliban hands.

time for MORE excessive force.

17 posted on 11/30/2007 8:57:25 PM PST by stylin19a
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To: stylin19a
time for MORE excessive force.

Again, why marines are great at taking hills and killing people and why Special Forces are great at unconventional warfare...

18 posted on 11/30/2007 8:58:33 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: smoketree
you got it about right.
In the months after the activation of MARSOC the structure and personnel of both 1st and 2nd Force Reconnaissance Company transferred to MARSOC to form the 1st and 2nd Marine Special Operations Battalions.
19 posted on 11/30/2007 9:06:09 PM PST by stylin19a
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To: smoketree; 2banana
Are they wrong?

I think you misunderstood. Different Marine units have different missions. You may have talked with Marines who had missions similar to those the Army and Navy would normally assign to their "special forces", but there are no Marines who have that kind of designation. There are only Marines who have trained for those kinds of missions.

I recently visited Camp Geiger (where I graduated infantry training school a few decades ago!) and there is a sign over the entry to a walkway among the old white buildings which has the following quote:

"Only in the Marine Corps can you take an artillery man, or tanker, or a cook and tell him that he is an infantryman and he'll know what to do." - General CE Mundy

I took a picture of that sign. Again, the point is that ALL Marines are "special forces".

FRegards,
LH

20 posted on 11/30/2007 9:13:29 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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