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IS THE NEW YORK TIMES READY TO THROW HILLARY UNDER THE BUS?
1 December 2007 | vanity

Posted on 12/01/2007 7:52:20 PM PST by shrinkermd

Both Frank Rich and Maureen Dowd have columns today.

Rich has little to say about the Iraq War. He stresses Obama opposed it and Hillary did not. Presumably, this is enough for Frank Rich and Pinch to switch sides.

Here is a quote from Rich:

”…But much like the Clinton campaign itself, the Republicans have fallen into a trap by continuing to cling to the Hillary-is-inevitable trope. They have not allowed themselves to think the unthinkable — that they might need a Plan B to go up against a candidate who is not she. It’s far from clear that they would remotely know how to construct a Plan B to counter Mr. Obama. The repeated attempts to fan “rumors” that he is a madrassa-indoctrinated Muslim — whether on Fox News or in The Washington Post, where they resurfaced scurrilously on the front page on Thursday — are too demonstrably false to survive endless reruns even in the Swift-boating era…”

Rich’s article is Who’s Afraid of Barack Obama?

Maureen has a softer and more balanced approach but here is a choice quote of hers:

…Except for panicked Clintonistas, everyone seems eager to see if the young pol can live up to his potential. Responding to his more combative style, the press has relaunched him, giving him a second chance to shine, on this week’s cover of Time, in the pages of The New Yorker, in the up arrow of Newsweek, which now declares him “poised to be the comeback kid,” and at The Times, where young female assistants lined the halls on Wednesday to watch him glide into a second meeting with editorial board writers and editors…

Maureen’s article is O Brother, Where Art Thou?

This is a dramatic change on the part of the NYT. Even if it is brief, they seem to be acquiescing to the idea the Iraq War is going well and progress is being made. Seemingly, now they and others in the dominant media see it is time to think of someone other than Hillary..

For us it makes little difference who their candidate is. What is more and more important is new and novel leadership from our candidates with an ever increasing stress on what can be done not what has been done.

It is also time for our presidential candidates to cease the ad hominems and cheap shots at their opponents. Further, many and perhaps most voters in 2008 will have been born after 1980. This means the Cold War, Viet Nam and JFK are historical not personal remembrances. What is more and more important is we need new and novel leadership from our candidates. The election is about the future--what can be done not outweighs what has been done . This group of younger voters needs and deserves a positive, forward looking approach. Failure to grasp this will result in our failure.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 2008; dowd; hillary; negatives; nyt; obama; rich
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1 posted on 12/01/2007 7:52:24 PM PST by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd
The libs will abandon Hillary in a heartbeat for someone more electable. In 2004, they abandoned the anointed Howard Dean for John Kerry. They may do the same next year for Barack Obama and leave Hillary behind in the dust.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

2 posted on 12/01/2007 7:56:48 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: shrinkermd
Further, many and perhaps most voters in 2008 will have been born after 1980.

No way. Older people still vote in far greater numbers than young people.

3 posted on 12/01/2007 7:57:08 PM PST by GATOR NAVY
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To: shrinkermd
" IS THE NEW YORK TIMES READY TO THROW HILLARY UNDER THE BUS"?

[[raising hand]]

i will!!!

4 posted on 12/01/2007 7:57:21 PM PST by robomatik
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To: GATOR NAVY
Ha ha ha ha... Hillary can count on the seasoned citizen vote for sure.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

5 posted on 12/01/2007 7:58:05 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: shrinkermd

Doubt it...just wishful thinkin’ by the loons.


6 posted on 12/01/2007 7:59:01 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: goldstategop
The libs will abandon Hillary in a heartbeat for someone more electable

That person is defnitely not Barack Obama. Anyone who thinks that must be on Smack. He's a lefty lefty with almost no track record. That would be a dream come true, to me, to see him nominated.

7 posted on 12/01/2007 7:59:54 PM PST by Nonstatist
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To: shrinkermd
The left’s fawning over that unqualified empty suit is inexplicable, except that they know he would be putty in the hands of whoever gets hold of him first. I am more qualified to be president, and that ain’t saying much!
8 posted on 12/01/2007 8:00:33 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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To: shrinkermd
IS THE NEW YORK TIMES READY TO THROW HILLARY UNDER THE BUS?

I would be very surprised.

9 posted on 12/01/2007 8:01:02 PM PST by the invisib1e hand
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To: shrinkermd

Hillary has never felt more confident!

10 posted on 12/01/2007 8:02:24 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: shrinkermd

11 posted on 12/01/2007 8:03:00 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Liberty Valance

Why the photo of Katherine Zeta Jones?


12 posted on 12/01/2007 8:07:12 PM PST by SatinDoll
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To: shrinkermd

I know quite a few libs and NONE of them LIKE Hillary.

I think her momentum has come from the fact that they LOVE Bill and HATE Bush.

In conversations with these libs (they know I’m conservative) they don’t even try to defend her to me.

They are indicating a turn towards Edwards. They like Obama, but are uncomfortable with his lack of experience.


13 posted on 12/01/2007 8:07:59 PM PST by Scarchin (+)
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To: shrinkermd

They aren’t abandoning her. They are just lowering expectations a tad to make her look better when she does win the nomination. There is no way Obama has a chance aginst the Clinton machine. A more seasoned candidate might but Obama is still wet behind the ears. Its a joke he is even running.


14 posted on 12/01/2007 8:08:19 PM PST by plain talk
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To: shrinkermd

Pravda is the voice of the boomers, who’ll never abandon Saint Joan of Arkansas!


15 posted on 12/01/2007 8:08:25 PM PST by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: shrinkermd
....(Fmr. Friend of the Bill) Vince Foster, has no comment. :)
16 posted on 12/01/2007 8:08:57 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (just b/c your paranoid, doesn't mean they're NOT out to get you....Run, FRed, Run. :^)
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To: shrinkermd
Enter AlGore!
17 posted on 12/01/2007 8:09:16 PM PST by airborne (Proud to be a conservative! Proud to support Duncan Hunter for President!)
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To: SatinDoll

MoDowd FReeper Lore ...
da rulz


18 posted on 12/01/2007 8:09:24 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: shrinkermd
Not a chance. Of course, should Obama get elected the media would quite properly consider that they got him there and expect a commensurate privilege from his administration. They'd be disappointed - only an honest politician stays bought.

Now let's look at a couple of cold facts. Hillary owns the machine that the NY Times is part of whether the "Gay Mafia" on its board like it or not. They either play ball or they're frozen out of her White House, and the Republicans aren't going to come to their rescue after eight straight years of incessant Bush-bashing. They have no choice in the matter. Frank Rich and Mo Dowd can pontificate all they want to and it won't mean a thing. And they'll come around. They don't have any choice either.

19 posted on 12/01/2007 8:10:03 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Liberty Valance

Oh...I’m so sorry you seem to be drunk.

(You’re not making any sense, mister.)


20 posted on 12/01/2007 8:12:44 PM PST by SatinDoll
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To: shrinkermd

Hillary has done enough to throw herself under the bus.

Funny how Karl Rove knew all this before he left the WH....saying Hillary was unelectable.


21 posted on 12/01/2007 8:12:50 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: GATOR NAVY; shrinkermd

Agreed. Most of the population was born BEFORE 1980, not after. And a lot of the population is still under voting age of the block born after 1980.

The number of voters in the 18-28 year range is very narrow, and many of them don’t even vote, and are mostly politically ignorant.

The only hope for our country is enough people who have a political memory of the true cost of socialism to not elect a Democratic President next year.


22 posted on 12/01/2007 8:14:44 PM PST by exit82 (How do you handle Hillary? You Huma her.)
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To: SatinDoll
Pic rule:

Every time someone mentions Maureen Dowd, you have to post a picture of Catharine Zeta Jones. Michael Douglas dumped Dowd for Zeta-Jones.

It's Freeper canon.
23 posted on 12/01/2007 8:16:10 PM PST by jmyrlefuller (The Associated Press: The most dangerous news organization in America.[TM])
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To: SatinDoll

Thank you ma’am.


24 posted on 12/01/2007 8:17:15 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: SatinDoll

Why the photo of Katherine Zeta Jones?She is used as an antidote for pictures of hideous women. Since I posted Hillarybeast, here's my favorite apology.

25 posted on 12/01/2007 8:17:22 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: shrinkermd
I hope Rich and Dowd slip and fall under the bus too.
26 posted on 12/01/2007 8:18:39 PM PST by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: SatinDoll

As I recall, Michael Douglas ditched Maureen Dowd for Zeta-Jones. So any Dowd thread simply must have pix of Zeta-Jones.


27 posted on 12/01/2007 8:21:06 PM PST by Moonmad27
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To: Billthedrill

Exactly! She’s driving the bus, so how can she be under it unless of course there is a bus wreck. I Don’t see that happening to her bus, maybe to Obama’s, or to Edwards’, but not hers.


28 posted on 12/01/2007 8:21:11 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...call 'em what you will...They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: shrinkermd

It is long overdue for them to throw the whole Clinton machine under the bus. It was the Clintons who basically took the Democrat party and made it about them and perserving them for 8 years. I’d love them to nominate Hillary because she would be a tinder box just waiting to happen. All one has to do is learn to hit a lady in a pantsuit and she would fall apart. She is not a sympathetic figure. I do think she is safer on national security issues than Obama or Edwards who are just off in some land of lakes butter commercial the only difference is the lady is wearing a berka in their version. I wouldn’t trust either of them to stand up for our national interests. Hillary has more nads than either of them.

What scares me about Hillary and all Democrats is their social and fiscal policies which are like Marx dressed up in a tuttu. All Americans who understand what makes our nation great should be disgusted by what they propose to do to America.


29 posted on 12/01/2007 8:21:30 PM PST by Maelstorm (Stupidty disguised as feelings is not an excuse for bad behavior.)
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To: shrinkermd

I threw the New York Times under a bus once!


30 posted on 12/01/2007 8:22:04 PM PST by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: shrinkermd

They could very well be positioning her for her triumphant “comeback”, too.


31 posted on 12/01/2007 8:23:05 PM PST by MortMan (Have a pheasant plucking day!)
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To: Right Wing Assault; jmyrlefuller

Thank you for the explanation.


32 posted on 12/01/2007 8:23:36 PM PST by SatinDoll
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To: Scarchin

But .. but .. they think Edwards has MORE experience ..??

I don’t get that logic at all.


33 posted on 12/01/2007 8:23:39 PM PST by CyberAnt (AMERICA: THE GREATEST FORCE for good in the world!)
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To: SatinDoll

You’re welcome ;o)


34 posted on 12/01/2007 8:24:09 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Liberty Valance

You’re most welcome.


35 posted on 12/01/2007 8:24:51 PM PST by SatinDoll
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To: shrinkermd
IS THE NEW YORK TIMES READY TO THROW HILLARY UNDER THE BUS?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well whats her batting average? 1) failed to tip ( struck out) 2) Hsu's on first ( struck out) 3)Planted Questioners in her own and Republic Candidates venues( ejected from game) 4) Failure to answer debate questions ( struck out) 5) Documents in Clinton Lie-brary sequestered until after election ( struck out) 6)Failure to sponsor one piece of operative legislation in her years as a Senator ( struck out) 7) Failure to divorce sex addicted husband ( struck out) 8) White House travel scandal ( struck out) 9) Stated policy for Gays in Military ( struck out) 10) Child by Wes Hubbel not disclosed ( struck out) 11) Health Care Initiative during Clinton Presidency ( struck out) 12) Vince Foster Suicide ? ? ( struck out) 13) Closet Lesbian ( ejected from game) 14) Made political hay on an oddly timed hostage crisis when she continnues to fall in the Iowa polls.( struck out) The Dim ball team should make her a water -boy, and pay for her sex change. Her batting average is .000 One can imaging what her team score will be against the Iranian National , Chinese National, or Russian National Ball teams. Them boys don't have players as bad as this biatch.And she is supposed to be the Dim teams best? Buahahahahahah. She is a political featherweight. The mayor of Preoria has more gravitas than she does. Can you imagine THIS representing America? What a JOKE! Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket
36 posted on 12/01/2007 8:25:30 PM PST by Candor7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baghdad_(1258))
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To: shrinkermd

Younger voters don’t vote, so I don’t see how they can make a diffence.


37 posted on 12/01/2007 8:25:37 PM PST by gunservative
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To: SatinDoll

From long ago, Maureen Dowd was very upset at Catherine Zeta-Jones (spelling?) for “stealing” Michael Douglas. Therefore, whenever MoDo gets mentioned in or writes an article posted on FR, “da rulz” specify that a balancing picture of the far lovelier Zeta-Jones must be posted.

It’s kind of a tradition.


38 posted on 12/01/2007 8:26:11 PM PST by MortMan (Have a pheasant plucking day!)
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To: shrinkermd
many and perhaps most voters in 2008 will have been born after 1980.

Yeah, right...whatever!

39 posted on 12/01/2007 8:27:08 PM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast ( "Do well, but remember to do good.")
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To: CyberAnt

Relatively.


40 posted on 12/01/2007 8:28:21 PM PST by Scarchin (+)
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To: shrinkermd

...........This group of younger voters needs and deserves a positive, forward looking approach. Failure to grasp this will result in our failure.................

Our Failure???

Who are you speaking of, the rats in the article, or the rest of us????


41 posted on 12/01/2007 8:28:26 PM PST by aShepard
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To: shrinkermd

Hillary is driving the bus. Barack takes his designated seat in the back with the remainder of the children. November 2008 they all become test-crash demmis. Enjoy the ride.


42 posted on 12/01/2007 8:30:06 PM PST by PGalt
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To: shrinkermd

It’s mildly encouraging. Think of it. Younger voters aren’t lathered up about the old hag with her ‘90’s baggage and her high school principal demeanor. Older voters...remember the Clinton years and would rather not dig them up again.
Obama the nominee? I can live with that! ;)


43 posted on 12/01/2007 8:32:34 PM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast ( "Do well, but remember to do good.")
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To: shrinkermd
I just have a hard time believing that the corrupt clinton political mafia would allow any choice other than the Hildabeast.

They will do/say/buy anyone and anything to insure that the Beast is the Dems candidate.

Hell hath no fury like a Beast that is mortally wounded.

44 posted on 12/01/2007 8:40:15 PM PST by Carbonado
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
many and perhaps most voters in 2008 will have been born after 1980.

That would make most 2008 voters, ummmmm, age 28 or younger. Most? No. Many? Maybe 10%. Is Maureen drinking waaaaaay too heavily again?


45 posted on 12/01/2007 8:42:35 PM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Republican field is really weak. The odds are currently running 60% a Democrat is going to be President. If you can’t have who you want do you prefer Hillary or Barack Obama? Hillary has the traits of a socialist dictator. Obama graduated from Columbia and earned a law degree from Harvard. His dad was a Harvard educated economist and was from Kenya, not from American welfare stock. Obama is as much Irish as he is African. Yes he’s an empty suit but my opinion of Bush at this point isn’t much higher. I’m not sick and afraid of him as I am the Clintons.


46 posted on 12/01/2007 8:46:22 PM PST by Reeses (Leftism is powered by the evil force of envy.)
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To: shrinkermd
I kinda wish Hillary does get the nomination.

I figure that she will be the biggest turn out incentive for Republicans that we could hope for, and would lead to our regaining control of the Congress, as well as winning the White House.

Obama and Edwards are smoother -- they won't ignite the conservative base like Hillary will.

On the other hand, it's a risk having Hillary on the ticket. She is a more dangerous Marxist than those other empty suits and ambulance chasers. If there were any chance of the 'Rats winning, then I'd rather have a stupid 'Rat win than one with a long history of abusing the office and acquiring a big team of sycophants.

My fear now from those post is that the powers behind the leftist throne have figured that Hillary is a loser who will cost them more than a non-entity would, and are dumping her.

47 posted on 12/01/2007 8:50:26 PM PST by ThePythonicCow (The Greens and Reds steal in fear of freedom and capitalism; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
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To: Reeses
Better an empty suit Marxist than one with evil habits of long standing.

Better Obama than Hillary.

48 posted on 12/01/2007 8:52:50 PM PST by ThePythonicCow (The Greens and Reds steal in fear of freedom and capitalism; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
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To: Maelstorm

“. . .their social and fiscal policies which are like Marx dressed up in a tuttu.”

I once heard someone describe Michael Dukakis’ domestic economic platform as “boutique central planning.”


49 posted on 12/01/2007 8:53:30 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: shrinkermd

THROW HILLARY UNDER THE BUS


Can this dream become reality?


50 posted on 12/01/2007 8:53:32 PM PST by eleni121 (wrotngly)
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