Skip to comments.Stepson recalls a night of alcohol (but no $$ for meds)
Posted on 12/02/2007 5:24:31 AM PST by Andy'smom
ROCHESTER, N.H. - In the hours before he allegedly took five people hostage at Hillary Clinton's campaign office Friday, Leeland Eisenberg sat drinking rum and cokes with his stepson in his trailer.
He drank heavily, and in a fog of frustration and delusion, said he could no longer afford his medication for bipolar disorder, his stepson, Benjamin Warren, said by phone last night. Unemployed, Eisenberg had no money to see a doctor; a local hospital turned him away when he went for help, Warren said.
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So, we need “free” health care. QED.
Don’t tell me you think he’s another DNC plant.
Either that or free booze and mixers.
Substitute things like LG TV, XBox and new car for alcohol, and you've got your typical Democrat supporter. No sense of personal responsibility.
Did anyone get his screen-name at DU or Kos?
Well, some folks like to "self medicate" and that should be free too!
Bipolar meds are countra indicated by alcohol and they are basically free from every public mental health facility in the country.
Not taking your meds and consuming alcohol is a common characteristic of anti social behaviour and bi polar mental illness in general terms.
. . .knowing that he is 'disturbed' when not on them; making a conscious decision to not take them; says to me, one should be considered fully responsible for one's own, outcome based decision.
Applies to 'meds'. . .drugs; alcohol and any other impairment, people CHOOSE to operate under.
Bipolars don’t act with logic, even on their meds.
Many bipolars don’t respond to all medications. It’s like mixing cocktails. Some work, some don’t. Then after they’ve worked for a while, they stop and you have to start all over again. Besides, they often won’t take them, because they are fine- it’s everyone else who is crazy.
My husband was on lithium, which was cheap. But he also needed one that was more than $500 a month. I used to get down on my knees and thank God every day we had good insurance. The thing is, if he had no income, most of the drug companies had programs to give drugs for little or no cost. But bipolars often can’t muster up the logic to even fill out a paper. If I tried to give my husband a paper, he would usually end up throwing something through the window. I did it all.
The sad thing is, society really has no answer for the brittle manic depressive. Family is the only one, and they usually alienate them all.
To this guy, holding Hillary’s headquarters hostage I’m sure made perfect sense. It’s classic. My husband had to be babysitted to make sure he didn’t do stuff like that, even taking expensive meds. And he had numerous expensive hospital stays.
At least the guy was smart enough not to be brandishing a weapon. It would have made him an easy Foster shot.
Funny how these people can drive, buy, drink, mix, screw, eat, travel, tell jokes...and yet have some disease that doesn’t show up on any CAT scan, or blood test.
Oh my,,,,,,,here we go,,,,,,,,,,playing the “victim” card, couldn’t afford meds, which will lead us to hills famous healthcare plan.....hang on to your bippies people, the fun has just begun!
So where does his beer money come from? Is he receiving some kind of disability benefits? What was his settlement from the church?
Where's the other side of the coin on this guy?
“Yeah, give me 3 cartons of Marlboros, a case of Bud, three quarts of Jamaican Rum, and,....darn it that doesn’t leave me with enough dough to by my Meds, oh well, just enough left for dozen Trojans and my Cialis!”
Every bi-polar “person” I’ve come in contact with has been nothing but abusive and destructive to themselves and everyone around them. They actually point to their condition for sympathy and try to excuse their behavior instead of utilizing treatment. Steer clear!
Imagine the surprised look on Vince’s face when Hitlery shot him. Actually I think she may have left that drop piece on his desk, he picks it up, while Hitlery is telling a SS agent that he threatened to shoot her. Guy opens the door, Vince has the gun in his hand, turns toward the door and the guy wipes him. LOL!
My bro sounds much better when he's off the meds.
What always got me was that IIRC, Linda Tripp was the last person to see him alive.
You are correct. I feel sorry for him, and anyone who has persistent mental illness. The brain is an organ just like the heart, lungs, kidneys and skin. It's reasonable to think that the brain can be injured, and break down, too.
If you had a family member or friend who is bi-polar you wouldn't hold this chilling attitude.
Don't judge all these unfortunate souls and their equally unfortunate families by this one person.
If you had to live with or care for a bi-polar sufferer for one year, you would have your eyes opened wider than a Hillary stare.
Makes perfect sense to me in any state of mind.
Agree. It may not show up on a CAT scan but it is real and it can be devastating.
I had a NCO that I worked closely with for almost four years...returned back to the base three years ago...and had a stroke two years ago...and is now bi-polar. The air force gave him a medical discharge and he gets help...but he really isn’t capable of trusting 100 percent. I had lunch with him four months ago...and felt pretty sorry for him...but based on things he’s done in the past twelve months....you can’t judge him “safe”. His wife is helping him but I doubt she lasts more than three or four years.
I can understand this guy in New Hampshire....but there isn’t much that Hillary or state-mandated healthcare (other than paying for the meds) can do for this guy...if he won’t take his meds.
Too many stop taking their meds because, at the time, they think they don't need them any longer. Treating this type mental illness is complicated, because of the vicious cycles these people encounter. They should be monitored all the time, as well as attend groups, or charitable organizations that can help them cope and be with others who have the same or similar illness.
He couldn’t afford $4? There is quite a long list of medicines for mental health provided by Wal Mart for $4 for a 1 month supply. His is probably on the list.
A trillion now dead primitive people believed in all sorts of powerful forces. People still believe in the talking cures of Freud. Few people belove in aura therapy.
People believe all sorts of things. Parents believe their dolt kid is a genius. Others that their smart kid is a dolt.
You are wrong on this one. Bi-polar is a major illness, and not difficult to diagnose at all. (in severe cases) It almost always turns out bad. If you ever spent any time with someone bi-polar you would not doubt the illness.
I have experience with bi-polar relatives and through my work. And you say they don’t do anything stupid like step in front of a bus etc., but they do, all the time. Suicide, is a very common outcome of this problem. They crash planes, jump in front of subways, buses or oncoming traffic. They jump off of buildings, they drink Drano, they breath exhaust from the tail pipes of cars. I have seen it all.
Worst part about it is that the treatments are not very good, and most do not like to take their meds. They make up excuses not to, and then they go on a binge. This man sounds textbook to me. Please do some research on this problem. It is no like so many other fabricated diseases. It is for real.
Where did he get the money for the alcohol??????????
I DO understand,
(Right down to praying I’d come home to a standing house and live pets).
and yes, there is nothing scarier that an OOC Bipolar.
He was listed as a paranoid schizophrenic. One of the attributes of schizophrenia is stopping medication. Often the patient feels that the pills make them worse and the doctors are in on it. They are paranoid.
Over and over in the news you'll see references to crimes committed by schizophrenics who "stopped taking their meds". It is really common.
You are right on! Even after researching mental illness, dealing with it daily, as part of my job, is an eye opener. People don't want to be this way, but they have no control over this illness. Unless the meds work, they are completely dependent on others, which they don't normally have. These people need counseling, along with their meds. I work in a non profit organization, affiliated with a church. We provide counseling, psychiatric treatment, groups, meals, and a place for the mentally ill to congregate and/or just hang out during the day. No one is turned away for lack of funds. Nearly all cities have places like this, but, these people need someone to guide them to us.
My wife's sister is. And I/we do feel very sorry. What we have run up against for 30 years is that she not only refuses to deal with it in *any* sort of constructive manner; worse, she uses it as an excuse for everything. Nothing is ever her responsibility, everyone in the family is here for her benefit.
It is very frustrating when, on one hand, she admits she has problems (but refuses to call it bi-polar) and then will list all of the reasons she can't do anything about it. No matter what any of us suggest, she always tells us she can't do it.
I think her mental problems are much broader than the bi-polar thing. Of course, no emotional or mental problem exists in a vacuum.
You are probably right that she has broader problems. And, narcissistic behavior is normal for them. They know they are screwed up, and are frustrated that "no one understands". To an extent, she is correct, but most of us in the business do understand that they have little control over their behavior. Behavior is a symptom of their illness, as is the way they think. Now, if only we could find out how to fix that...
Also see my post #39.
Free counseling and meds won't help when you can't get someone to use them.
My SIL seems to want the counselor she sees to simply tell her she can't do anything for herself & validate her unwillingness to try doing so. When he gave her FREE meds she refused to take them. Even in the past when she has taken meds that have helped, she would stop taking them.
After a long time, you realize you just can't do much to alter the situation. Sad.
I know. I work with persistent mental illness, those who will never be cured. They cycle and are in and out of crisis centers often. And, families can't do much, except not write them off, as so many do. We are sort of baby sitters for them. They come in for breakfast, and stay all day. They have access to computers, arts & crafts, music, TV, along with other activities, as well as group sessions, which are voluntary. Maybe your sil would find some comfort in a place like this, as well as you and the family. We aren't a cure, but we are hope. And yes, it is sad, very sad.
Ok. If you want the distinctive or unique version, they experience srong periods of depression, where they are overcome with thoughts of suicide, and are often unable to function.
These periods of depression are followed by manic periods, in which the patient rarely sleeps, and focuses intently on something or someone. They become completely absorbed in their “project” to the exclusion of everything else, and without any restraint or inhibition. They become addicted to this period of what they consider productivity, or mania.
Then the cycle repeats itself again. Drugs such as lithium are effective for treatment and can even out the extremeness of the mood swings. They typically do not like the medicine, because it robs them of the manic periods. They will take the meds for a while and then go off of them. Then the cycle begins to repeat itself. Most of them will attempt suicide more than once in their lifetime. Many are successful. There is no cure, only treatment which is not always effective or well-tolerated.
There has been some scientific research into bipolar which I believe they have documented identifiable changes in brain function among those diagnosed with bi-polar disorder, so there is actually a diagnostic test for it. I will have to check on whether it is available beyond research. The symptoms are so severe, it is not usually necessary to run further tests.
Bi polar (manic depression) as been diagnosed for decades. It’s real and its terrifying for those who work and love those who have it.
I was married to one, have a close friend who has the dx and work with them as part of my job.
It’s as real as a heart attack.
So called ‘diagnoses are no more scientific that Satanic possession by Priests, or woodland ghosts by Druids.
Please allow those sincerely interested in discussing this very real illness to post in peace.
Your profile page is a piece in itself.
There are objective tests and lots of science now, including brain scans and measuring hypocampal size etc.
All there is to know about medicine didn’t stop yesterday. Like those in the Dark Ages who though twins were result of the mother sleeping with two different men, or bleeding someone with fever let out the bad ‘humors’.....it’s always evolving.
It sounds like you are doing as much as you can to help these poor people. God Bless you. I know it cannot be easy, and it can be very discouraging. I see the results of Bi Polar disorder far more than I would like. Either the suicides, or the mania that goes beyond limits. Sad either way, but it encourages me to know that there are people out there like you who are trying to help them.
Sorry. There is no scan, blood test that is unique.
Dr. Joseph Glenmullen, a clinical instructor in psychiatry at Harvard Medical School, “There are no medical tests to diagnose bipolar disorder, depression, or any other psychiatric condition: no blood tests, X-rays, brain scans, or any other objective tests. Medical tests should be used to rule out other conditions that can look like depression such as thyroid conditions. But all psychiatric diagnoses are subjective.”
So you DO turn to science to support what you want to believe and ignore it when you don’t want to believe something.
I stand with the others, you got problems son.
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