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More gay men describe sexual encounters with U.S. Sen. Craig
Idaho Statesman ^ | 12/02/07 | DAN POPKEY

Posted on 12/02/2007 8:27:20 AM PST by Leisler

David Phillips. Mike Jones. Greg Ruth. Tom Russell.

Four gay men, willing to put their names in print and whose allegations can't be disproved, have come forward since news of U.S. Sen. Larry Craig's guilty plea. They say they had sex with Craig or that he made a sexual advance or that he paid them unusual attention.

They are telling their stories now because they are offended by Craig's denials, including his famous statement, "I am not gay, I never have been gay." Those words, spoken on live national TV on Aug. 28, are now memorialized on a just-released-for-Christmas Talking Senator Larry Craig Action Figure.

David Phillips is a 42-year-old information technology consultant in Washington, D.C., who says Craig picked him up at a gay club in 1986 and that they subsequently had sex.

Mike Jones is a former prostitute who told the world he had sex with the Rev. Ted Haggard last year. The former Colorado Springs evangelist at first denied it but eventually confessed. Jones says Craig paid him for sex in late 2004 or early 2005.

Greg Ruth was a 24-year-old college Republican in 1981 when he says he was hit on by Craig at a Republican meeting in Coeur d'Alene.

Tom Russell, now 48, is a former Nampa resident who lives in Utah. Russell said his encounter with Craig occurred at Bogus Basin in the early 1980s.

A fifth gay man, who is from Boise but who declined to be named for fear of retaliation, offered a recent and telling account: He was in a men's restroom at Denver International Airport in September 2006 when the man in the next stall moved his hand slowly, palm up, under the divider. Alarmed,....

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: Idaho
KEYWORDS: 110th; gaystapotactics; homosexualagenda; larrycraig; lavendermafia; queersdontlie; republican; romney; senate; whispercampaign
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Click the link. Read the article. Seems everyone knew, the media, the gays.
1 posted on 12/02/2007 8:27:22 AM PST by Leisler
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To: Leisler

‘”I am not gay, I never have been gay.” Those words, spoken on live national TV on Aug. 28, are now memorialized on a just-released-for-Christmas Talking Senator Larry Craig Action Figure.’

Awesome.


2 posted on 12/02/2007 8:29:29 AM PST by BGHater (Lead. The MSG for the 21st Century.)
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To: Leisler
whose allegations can't be disproved

Is THAT the new standard of proof these days? That an allegation doesn't have to be PROVEN; it just can't be DISPROVEN????

Wow! That kinda sets our notion of equity on its head.

Not to mention, logically, it's impossible to prove a negative.

3 posted on 12/02/2007 8:31:14 AM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: Leisler

right. we all know how credible gays are in political issues.


4 posted on 12/02/2007 8:32:37 AM PST by the invisib1e hand
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To: Leisler
Seems everyone knew, the media, the gays.

The top two most reliable arbiters and dispensers of truth.

5 posted on 12/02/2007 8:33:50 AM PST by the invisib1e hand
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To: Leisler

“...whose allegations can’t be disproved...”
So, can they BE proven? Or just can’t be disproved?


6 posted on 12/02/2007 8:33:59 AM PST by weegee (End the Bush-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton-Clinton/Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton Oligarchy 1980-2012)
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To: Leisler
Meet me in the terlet later ....oh, yeah and I'm not gay.


7 posted on 12/02/2007 8:34:50 AM PST by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment.. (A "Concerned Citizen".)
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To: Leisler

I want the Republican party to be known as the moral party, it won’t happen with men like Craig serving in the U.S. Senate.

Let the democrats have the Ted Kennedys, Barney Franks, Sheets Byrd, John Kerry etc. (The list is endless)


8 posted on 12/02/2007 8:35:52 AM PST by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: IronJack
Is THAT the new standard of proof these days?

"My friend, you have seen this incident based on sworn testimony. Can you prove that it didn't happen?"
< /Criswell Predicts sequence from Plan 9 From Outer Space >
9 posted on 12/02/2007 8:36:53 AM PST by weegee (End the Bush-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton-Clinton/Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton Oligarchy 1980-2012)
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To: Leisler
He was in a men's restroom at Denver International Airport in September 2006 when the man [Craig] in the next stall moved his hand slowly, palm up, under the divider

Does this sort of thing only happen at airports? Some good boot-stompings of those hands would take care of the problem in no time.

10 posted on 12/02/2007 8:38:11 AM PST by Mr. Mojo (“Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors and miss.")
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To: Graybeard58

How about we demand the KKK recruiter and murderer and traitor who lied to Congress and aided the enemy in a time of war all leave office too?

That is some standard to “let” the Democrats keep their vile SOBs with no national question of their character. 2 of those 3 were on the way to the presidency.


11 posted on 12/02/2007 8:38:24 AM PST by weegee (End the Bush-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton-Clinton/Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton Oligarchy 1980-2012)
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To: Leisler
...and whose allegations can't be disproved...

Nor can they be proved, I'll wager.

12 posted on 12/02/2007 8:38:31 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (I am Spartacus! ................Oh hell...who am I kidding? I'm Peter Griffin.)
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To: Leisler
The denials began June 30, 1982, when CBS broke news of a scandal alleging gay sex between congressmen and underage pages. The following day, before any public allegation that he was involved, then-Rep. Craig issued a denial. Craig married a year later and adopted the three children of his wife, Suzanne. In 1990, the Idaho Statesman asked Craig about an allegation that he was gay made by an opponent in his first Senate race. "Why don't you ask my wife?" Craig replied.

This is the caliber of man we have elected to represent us and to write our laws.

13 posted on 12/02/2007 8:40:15 AM PST by donna (If America is not a Christian nation, it will be part of the Islamic nation. Take your pick.)
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To: IronJack

I caught that as well. What a bunch of hooey.....


14 posted on 12/02/2007 8:41:08 AM PST by tioga (Dear Santa..........I can explain....)
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To: donna

Well, Larry Craig knew who would be his friend, if elected President:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2b1N74bQUE


15 posted on 12/02/2007 8:42:16 AM PST by TheThirdRuffian
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To: Leisler
I don't give a rat's tail about Craig's sex. He is an idiot.

I am more disturbed by this guy who wrote the article masquerading as a journalist.

16 posted on 12/02/2007 8:43:07 AM PST by Agent Smith (Fallujah delenda est. (I wish))
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To: Leisler
Perfect debate questions for the next liberal debate? Should there be a law against restroom toe tapping? Why shouldn’t liberals be defending Craig? Why is he being force by them to stay in the bathroom I mean closet?
17 posted on 12/02/2007 8:43:44 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: tioga

Bogus Basin?


18 posted on 12/02/2007 8:43:56 AM PST by Wally_Kalbacken (Seldom right but never in doubt)
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To: Just mythoughts

He’s not being forced in the closet he’s being witchhunted out of office.


19 posted on 12/02/2007 8:44:37 AM PST by weegee (End the Bush-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton-Clinton/Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton Oligarchy 1980-2012)
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To: Leisler

20 posted on 12/02/2007 8:48:03 AM PST by vietvet67
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To: IronJack

Did you mean standard of proof, or standard of poof?


21 posted on 12/02/2007 8:48:41 AM PST by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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To: weegee

I don’t much want him in office, but I don’t live in that state. What concerns me more is that Barney Frank is allowed to stay.


22 posted on 12/02/2007 8:48:58 AM PST by tioga (Dear Santa..........I can explain....)
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To: 3AngelaD

(snicker)


23 posted on 12/02/2007 8:49:43 AM PST by tioga (Dear Santa..........I can explain....)
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To: Leisler

There’s an old film about the likes of Larry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4enfUyGWSY


24 posted on 12/02/2007 8:52:13 AM PST by ElkGroveDan (If Rudy's an influential conservative, then I'm an award winning concert pianist.)
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To: IronJack
Yes, logically one cannot disprove a negative. If people believe he is a homosexual, there is no way he can prove otherwise.

Also, another example of where the righteous right hang their own for infractions of the moral code, but the opposition celebrates these infractions. Leaves our candidates open to personal destruction--especially over homosexuality, heterosexual affairs, divorce and so forth.

There is nothing to suggest in life or Scripture that conservatives are immune from sin--including sexual sin.

Homosexuals are doing their best to prove they are "normal." What this means to them and the average heterosexual person are different. Want to excite the homosexual community? Simply have a conservative of any stripe or kind imply they are not "normal."

So let the righeous ones rant. Senator Craig will complete his term and the righeous will only discharge their considerable load of hostility.

25 posted on 12/02/2007 8:53:02 AM PST by shrinkermd
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To: IronJack

>Not to mention, logically, it’s impossible to prove a negative.

I can certify there are no flying zebras in my office. ;)


26 posted on 12/02/2007 8:55:30 AM PST by ROTB (Front Runner=rich guy who doesn't hate evil and strives to offend no one, AND WILL SELL YOU OUT.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

No wonder Mitt dumped him right away, LOL.


27 posted on 12/02/2007 8:57:12 AM PST by donna (If America is not a Christian nation, it will be part of the Islamic nation. Take your pick.)
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To: donna; WKB

I was but a child at the time, but there was a MS rep who was run out of office when it was discovered he was gay. “Win win win with John Hinson” was his campaign ad. Scary how I remember that. I don’t remember what year it was either.


28 posted on 12/02/2007 8:58:15 AM PST by petitfour
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The old pervert’s not on trial.

He’s being judged by voters as unworthy to represent them and make laws that affect them.

Seems to me you all are protesting too much, LOL.


29 posted on 12/02/2007 8:59:20 AM PST by donna (If America is not a Christian nation, it will be part of the Islamic nation. Take your pick.)
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To: tioga
According to the MSM:

If one is a homosexual Marxist, Liberal or Democrat, one is good, moral, courageous, insightful, kind to animals . . .

A homosexual Conservative is a low life form unworthy of elected office.

30 posted on 12/02/2007 9:00:00 AM PST by Jacquerie (Convince me that murderous Islam deserves 1st Amendment protection.)
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To: ARE SOLE

The back of that head looks very familar could be running for presiden!


31 posted on 12/02/2007 9:02:15 AM PST by restornu (Discern effects of evils & designs which exist in the hearts of conspiring men in the last days)
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To: Jacquerie

Let’s face it the only WAR the left believes in is the one for their own POWER with the Republicans.


32 posted on 12/02/2007 9:03:44 AM PST by tioga (Dear Santa..........I can explain....)
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To: Jacquerie
A homosexual Conservative is a low life form unworthy of elected office.

That's true.

33 posted on 12/02/2007 9:04:41 AM PST by donna (If America is not a Christian nation, it will be part of the Islamic nation. Take your pick.)
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To: Leisler

There’s probably something to their tales. Craig is already toast so there’s nothing much to be gained by coming out and lying.
Craig, go away!


35 posted on 12/02/2007 9:08:31 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: weegee

Ha!


36 posted on 12/02/2007 9:15:57 AM PST by JennysCool (Don't taze me, Bro!)
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To: petitfour; WKB

That reminds me of a movie!

“Advise & Consent” (1962)

Don Murray plays Senator Brigham Anderson from Utah.

Robert Leffingwell is the president’s candidate for Secretary of State. Prior to his approval, he must first go through a Senate investigation to determine if he’s qualified.

Leading the Senate committee is idealistic Senator Brig Anderson, who soon finds himself unprepared for the political dirt that’s revealed . . . the young senator begins receiving blackmail threats about a skeleton in his own closet.

Just guess what that horrible secret is . . .


37 posted on 12/02/2007 9:20:07 AM PST by donna (If America is not a Christian nation, it will be part of the Islamic nation. Take your pick.)
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged
Mike Jones is a former prostitute who told the world he had sex with the Rev. Ted Haggard last year. The former Colorado Springs evangelist at first denied it but eventually confessed. Jones says Craig paid him for sex in late 2004 or early 2005.

So since this gay whore seems to have a good memory and is now repeating a violation of "trust" between customer and prostitute, he should have the b***s to publicly out all of his famous or important clients. It's only fair. or would that be bad for business?

38 posted on 12/02/2007 9:22:33 AM PST by weegee (End the Bush-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton-Clinton/Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton Oligarchy 1980-2012)
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To: Just mythoughts
Why shouldn’t liberals be defending Craig? Why is he being force by them to stay in the bathroom I mean closet?

good observation. these homos are politically mean-spirited and hateful.

39 posted on 12/02/2007 9:24:22 AM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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“Craig is already toast so there’s nothing much to be gained by coming out and lying.”

Yes there is, if the intent it to get him to resign in order to open his seat up for a chance to get a democrat in the Senate.

Chances are though, with a Republican Governor, Craigs ‘replacement’ might have a better chance of being elected to the seat then a democrat, but the possibility still exists that the seat could be turned.


40 posted on 12/02/2007 9:25:44 AM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Jacquerie

To borrow a phrase, they consider a homosexual conservative to be a “race traitor”.

They don’t openly use that term but you will hear “Uncle Tom” used often in print for black conservatives.

They’ve tried to extend this argument to class too. They say that “bigoted homophobes” consistently vote against their own “financial interests” because of religious superstition and moral judgements.


41 posted on 12/02/2007 9:27:13 AM PST by weegee (End the Bush-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton-Clinton/Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton Oligarchy 1980-2012)
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To: Leisler

Enough already. He shags men.


42 posted on 12/02/2007 9:28:36 AM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: Leisler

I’m not sure where this reporter gets his facts, but I don’t believe Haggard ever confessed to having sex with Jones. He admitted a massage and buying meth, but denied he had sex.


43 posted on 12/02/2007 9:29:23 AM PST by Krankor (kROGER)
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To: Leisler

Reading the article it seems to me that there’s very little “evidence” that anything ever happened. I feel sorry for Craig. He may or may not be gay, but to me it seems like blood is in the water and every two-bit liberal homosexual is trying to get their 15 minutes of fame.


44 posted on 12/02/2007 9:30:51 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: Leisler
Shouldn't that header be “WIDE STANCE CRAIG” ???
45 posted on 12/02/2007 9:31:43 AM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

Bogus Basin is the ski area in the mountains just above Boise.


46 posted on 12/02/2007 9:34:01 AM PST by Disambiguator (Political Correctness is criminal insanity writ large.)
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To: BGHater

“I Am Not Gay” claymation musical reenactment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zzf049rgMI


47 posted on 12/02/2007 9:35:58 AM PST by Ozone34
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To: Wally_Kalbacken
Bogus Basin?

Yes, the prequel to Brokeback mountain.

48 posted on 12/02/2007 9:38:50 AM PST by whatisthetruth
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To: All
... His character is just as good as his word... This is the kind of weasel we don't need the GOP

:)

49 posted on 12/02/2007 9:40:05 AM PST by ElPatriota (Duncan Hunter 08 -- I am proud to support this man for my president)
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To: IronJack
What is stated in the article is that there are no videos, voice mails or written correspondence to prove the allegations. However, background checks on the men were done, and travel records indicate the liaisons were doable.

Is Craig a homosexual? I think he probably is, but without a confession or video tape I can understand why some would continue to hold out hope that he isn't.

50 posted on 12/02/2007 9:46:55 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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