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Coal use called greatest threat to our climate
northjersey.com ^ | December 1, 2007 | JIM WRIGHT

Posted on 12/02/2007 1:24:30 PM PST by Coleus

To stop climate change, the nation must "stop coal," a top environmental architect urged during a speech at Ramapo College's conference on climate change. Edward Mazria, who has led efforts nationwide to build more-energy-efficient buildings, said the only way to control global warming is "an immediate moratorium on all new coal-fired power plants in the United States" and a phaseout of older coal plants.

"Climate change is the greatest challenge we have ever faced," he told an audience of more than 400 at the conference. "Either we get it under control or we face very dramatic consequences." Mazria is the author of "The Passive Solar Energy Handbook," considered the bible of solar design. He said the use of coal must be stopped because coal is the only fossil fuel left in the massive amounts necessary to generate enough greenhouse gases to cause catastrophic rises in temperatures and sea levels.

To compensate for the energy lost by erasing the 151 coal-fired plants currently on the drawing board nationwide, Mazria called for intensive research efforts on solar power and an overhaul of how buildings are constructed and older buildings are renovated. According to Mazria, the building sector can achieve huge energy savings because it currently accounts for almost half of the nation's energy consumption and resultant greenhouse gases.

Ramapo Professor Michael Edelstein, the conference's organizer, praised Mazria's plan as "by far the most specific suggestions anyone has made anywhere" on climate change. Edelstein said the changes in building construction needed to drastically cut regional energy use would be a major challenge in New Jersey. "New Jersey and New York are home-rule states, and every municipality sets its own rules," he said. "Basically, if you want to start to shift this immediately, you have to get them in a room now and start changing your local approval process now."

Jeanne Fox, president of the State Board of Public Utilities, said in a panel discussion that New Jersey was working on new building codes as well as new energy standards for appliances. The one-day conference also featured speeches by former New Jersey Gov. Jim Florio and noted environmental author Bill McKibben, as well as sessions on how New Jersey will meet its ambitious goals to reduce greenhouse-gas emission by 20 percent by 2020. Florio laid out some of the tough and complex choices on global warming that the United States must make in coming years, pointing out ruefully that "democracy doesn't deal with complicated ideas very well." McKibben was scheduled to speak Friday night on the societal changes required to make the planet sustainable.

Attending the conference were environmental professionals, local government officials, college students, lawyers, architects, engineers and interested citizens from the tri-state region. A green expo held in conjunction with the conference continues today at the college's Bradley Center from 10 a.m. to 4 p.m.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: bigoil; carboncult; climatechange; coal; edwardmazria; energypolicy; globalwarming; greenreligion; ramapocollege
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1 posted on 12/02/2007 1:24:32 PM PST by Coleus
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To: Coleus
Climate change is the greatest challenge we have ever faced

Greatest challenge to credulity.

2 posted on 12/02/2007 1:26:25 PM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: Coleus

I thought it was gasoline.

I wish these people would make up their minds.


3 posted on 12/02/2007 1:28:21 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (You can't be serious about national security unless you're serious about border security)
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To: Coleus

Florio laid out some of the tough and complex choices on global warming that the United States must make in coming years, pointing out ruefully that “democracy doesn’t deal with complicated ideas very well.”

Pesky-a$$ed freedom.


4 posted on 12/02/2007 1:28:33 PM PST by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: Coleus
Coal use called greatest threat to our climate

I didn't read the article, but this is retarded.

5 posted on 12/02/2007 1:29:09 PM PST by stevem
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To: Coleus
Shut the heck up. I'm sick of being cold. I bet Al Gore's house is not cold. The least they could do is deliver on their promise of global warming. Democrats can't even do that.

I don't believe the lying watermelons (green on the outside, red on the inside) on anything they say. Bring on the coal-fired plants. Bring on the nukes. Start drilling and refining. I want to be warm in the winter and cool in the summer. I don't want to spend $50.00 to fill my minivan. This is the United States of America, for Pete's sake. Get the environmentalist wackos out of the way and let's get going.

6 posted on 12/02/2007 1:30:19 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Coleus

China puts a coal fired power plant on line every couple of days.And you can be darn sure that not a single one of them uses “clean” coal or has scrubbers installed.


7 posted on 12/02/2007 1:30:46 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Wanna see how bad it can get? Elect Hillary and find out.)
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To: Coleus

Those concerned with CO2 emissions should move to Venezuela.


8 posted on 12/02/2007 1:31:04 PM PST by Paladin2 (Huma for co-president!)
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To: Coleus

Who paid for this study? Equally important, published it as having a factual basis?

Complete lack of credibility.


9 posted on 12/02/2007 1:31:05 PM PST by Steamburg (Your wallet speaks the only language most politicians understand.)
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To: Coleus
"Edward Mazria, who has led efforts nationwide to build more-energy-efficient buildings, said the only way to control global warming is "an immediate moratorium on all new coal-fired power plants in the United States" and a phaseout of older coal plants."

I suggest Mr. Mazria shut his mouth to avoid spewing anymore CO2 into the atmosphere. Further, he should move into a mud hut so as not to consume electricity.

10 posted on 12/02/2007 1:31:11 PM PST by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: Coleus
Mazria called for intensive research efforts on solar power and an overhaul of how buildings are constructed and older buildings are renovated

Nah, what they should really do is to eliminate private housing altogether and make everybody live in large, efficient, communal housing. Also eliminate private autos and make people travel by electric trains and buses. Think of the energy savings!

< /greenie>

11 posted on 12/02/2007 1:31:47 PM PST by SIDENET (Hubba Hubba...)
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To: Coleus

Let New Jersey do without electricity.


12 posted on 12/02/2007 1:32:11 PM PST by Buddy B (MSgt Retired-USAF)
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To: Coleus

Uh oh, somebody discovered where the vast majority of our electricity came from.


13 posted on 12/02/2007 1:33:18 PM PST by cripplecreek (Only one consistent conservative in this race and his name is Hunter.)
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To: Coleus
I think that enviro wacko’s and muzzies want the same thing and that is to take the entire world back to caveman days and destroy all technology.
14 posted on 12/02/2007 1:33:28 PM PST by proudofthesouth (Liberalism IS a mental illness.)
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To: SIDENET
"Also eliminate private autos and make people travel by electric trains and buses."

Will they be solar or wind powered.

15 posted on 12/02/2007 1:34:40 PM PST by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

But you just don’t understand.

These ‘politicians and activists have invested their money in ‘green technologies’ and can’t wait for the market to evolve naturally.

They want to ‘stop’ the use of coal so it drives the need for ‘green technologies’ higher, resulting in a higher ‘spike’ in their PROFIT MARGIN.

It’s always about the money, no matter what they tell us.


16 posted on 12/02/2007 1:35:17 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (- Attention all planets of the solar Federation--Secret plan codeword: Banana)
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To: RightWhale
Through China’s use of coal, it is the largest greenhouse gases emitter in the world. Thank you Wright for identifying China as the greatest threat to our climate.
17 posted on 12/02/2007 1:36:18 PM PST by hflynn ( Soros would not make any sense even if he spelled his name backwards)
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To: proudofthesouth
"I think that enviro wacko’s and muzzies want the same thing and that is to take the entire world back to caveman days and destroy all technology." Yes, and they want to take America down first. Our largest resource for power plants is coal, so they are keying in on that.
18 posted on 12/02/2007 1:37:28 PM PST by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I didn't see it in my rear view mirror.)
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To: UCANSEE2
"They want to ‘stop’ the use of coal so it drives the need for ‘green technologies’ higher, resulting in a higher ‘spike’ in their PROFIT MARGIN."

Sort of like Green Al's Carbon credits?

19 posted on 12/02/2007 1:39:02 PM PST by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: RightWhale
'Challenge to credulity'???

Credulity (or credulousness, if you like) is the hallmark of the lefty envirodingbats. They'll believe virtually anything, if said notion fits their agenda. There's neither a shortage of it nor a challenge to it, at least in the Left.

Perhaps you were thinking of 'credibility'? Lord knows, the Left are thoroughly credibility-challenged.

20 posted on 12/02/2007 1:40:01 PM PST by SAJ
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To: BipolarBob

They know they must destroy the U.S. (and Israel) in order to accomplish this. Unfortunately, our government (with the exception of maybe a couple of people) is handing them our freedom hook, line and sinker!


21 posted on 12/02/2007 1:40:40 PM PST by proudofthesouth (Liberalism IS a mental illness.)
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To: UCANSEE2
Perhaps but I'm tired of being cold in the winter and hot in the summer. I'm tired of paying exorbitant fuel prices while we allow our own crude to lay in the ground because some wackos say it might harm the mating habits of caribou when there's no evidence that's true or that we even need more caribou.

It's time the American people realized it is Democrats who are causing these ridiculous prices.

22 posted on 12/02/2007 1:43:27 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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23 posted on 12/02/2007 1:43:29 PM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: SAJ

Credibility of whom? This is no challenge to credibility except as affirmation of lack by GWers.


24 posted on 12/02/2007 1:45:46 PM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

It’s the planners, most of whom are Ds or Enviros.


25 posted on 12/02/2007 1:47:16 PM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: RightWhale

No, it is bovine flatulence!


26 posted on 12/02/2007 1:47:38 PM PST by Doctor Don
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To: Coleus

What about the EVIL SUVs?


27 posted on 12/02/2007 1:48:04 PM PST by tioga (Dear Santa..........I can explain....)
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To: Coleus

Coal is about 1/5 the current price of oil in BTU terms, and the USA is the Saudi Arabia of coal. At current prices, there is no need to import any oil at all, once coal liquification is ramped up.

These enrivonmental extremists are a greater danger to our country than Osama bin Laden and all his men. Personally, I refuse to vote for anyone, at any level of government, who buys into Al Gore’s insanity. It must stop!


28 posted on 12/02/2007 1:48:33 PM PST by devere
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To: Coleus

If it were really a threat they would have used the N word.


29 posted on 12/02/2007 1:49:01 PM PST by Tribune7 (Dems want to rob from the poor to give to the rich)
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To: RightWhale

It’s time to start ridiculing them.


30 posted on 12/02/2007 1:49:35 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Coleus

Environmentalists are the Greatest risk to our Climate

Pray for W and Our Freedom Fighters


31 posted on 12/02/2007 1:51:08 PM PST by bray (Let's Bring Christ Back to Christmas)
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To: Coleus

Start tomorrow on 100 new nuclear reactors. Problem solved, other than paying for it.


32 posted on 12/02/2007 1:51:19 PM PST by listenhillary (You get more of what you focus on)
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To: Coleus

“Coal use called greatest threat to our climate”

Coal use called greatest threat to our freedom.

Fixed!


33 posted on 12/02/2007 1:54:05 PM PST by dalereed
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

A reporter from Discovery channel came by last summer looking for Global Warming damage to the permafrost. I showed him where the aspen and paper birch were invading the black spruce forest as much as 100 yards in the past 30 years. He left with a look of despair on his face.


34 posted on 12/02/2007 1:55:48 PM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: L98Fiero

Sounds like Florio is not yet satisfied with the outcome of WWII.


35 posted on 12/02/2007 2:06:34 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: RightWhale

Paper birch or white birch. My impression was the paper, or brown, birch trees (of which I have several dozen) were not very tolerant of the dryer air at the higher latitudes.


36 posted on 12/02/2007 2:10:02 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Clintonfatigued
I thought it was gasoline.

That was last week.

Or was it last month....?

It's hard to keep up with these loonies.

At any rate, fine...ok.

When do we start construction on the nuclear power plants?

37 posted on 12/02/2007 2:20:23 PM PST by LasVegasMac (Islam: Bringing the world death and destruction for 1400 years!)
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To: Coleus
I am no fan of burning coal, as it is presently done simply because of the unique pollution it produces: fly ash that is mildly radioactive and sulfur dioxide that leads to acidic rain and leaching in soil types.

Having said that, I would rather have this pollution than not have my air conditioning in July and August. I look forward to a day when the vast ocean of hydrocarbons we are blessed to have in our coal reserves can be converted into useful forms of liquid fuels as well as electricity without having this pollution.

Since today 52% of our electricity is generated by burning coal, battery powered cars = coal fired cars.

38 posted on 12/02/2007 2:21:23 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: Coleus

Coal plants produce a lot of CO2 and NOx (nitrous oxides).

However, algae just loves to eat both of them. And some of the kinds of algae that do so are about 50% vegetable oil by weight. Vegetable oil that can readily be turned into biodiesel.

For maybe 6-8 months out of the year North of the Mason Dixon line, and 10-11 months of the year South of there, there is enough sunlight for algae to grow. And with CO2 and NOx bubbled through their tanks, they grow a LOT.

So instead of waste that is expensive to dispose of, we get not just electricity, but FUEL, from coal burning industries.

The icing on the cake is that biodiesel is the BEST of the alternatives to petroleum fuels. It has about 96% of the energy of petroleum diesel, it works very well in powerful automobile engines yet diesel engines are scalable enough to be used to power railroad engines and ships.

And biodiesel even smells better than petroleum diesel.

That means we get lots of cheap electricity from the coal plants, we get easy to process fuel out of the deal, and we can even recycle the water the algae grows in.


39 posted on 12/02/2007 2:24:03 PM PST by Popocatapetl
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To compensate for the energy lost by erasing the 151 coal-fired plants currently on the drawing board nationwide, Mazria called for intensive research efforts on solar power

How many megawatts will your "intensive research" generate senor Doctor?

40 posted on 12/02/2007 2:26:31 PM PST by RoadKingSE (How do you know that that light at the end of the tunnel isn't a muzzle flash?)
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To: Coleus
"Climate change is the greatest challenge we have ever faced," he told an audience of more than 400 at the conference.

I've had it with these jokers. Who is "we"? Give these chucks a pointy stick and a loincloth, and they can go live in the woods for a few months, and then get back to the civilized world. No, the biggest challenge most of us now face is from people like this who are either invincibly ignorant MORONS or unspeakably EVIL (take your pick); ENERGY has to come from SOMEWHERE, it comes at a PRICE and is subject to SUPPLY and DEMAND. The United States is one of the most coal-rich areas in the world. Over HALF of our electric power RIGHT NOW comes from coal. If these so-called environmentalists get their way, and they probably will, then the average power bill will soon ratchet up to $400 or $500 a month, GUESS WHAT - there is gonna be some real problems for chicken little, so there is at least some consolation. Our energy "crisis" is mostly self-imposed by petty pseudo-intellectual tyrants at this point.
41 posted on 12/02/2007 2:33:54 PM PST by Freedom4US
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To: Coleus

Maybe we should stop selling so much coal to Europe.


42 posted on 12/02/2007 2:38:21 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Democrat Happens!)
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To: Coleus

Yawn...


43 posted on 12/02/2007 2:40:01 PM PST by monkeycard (There is no such thing as too much ammo.)
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To: Coleus

I don’t see nukes mentioned by these morons that are intent on taking over the energy supply.


44 posted on 12/02/2007 2:43:05 PM PST by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: SIDENET

They already built that communal housing. It’s called “Projects” and has the great advantage of easy access to drugs and drug dealers.


45 posted on 12/02/2007 2:43:41 PM PST by expatpat
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To: Gay State Conservative
This is just exactly what I was going to state.

It is also reported they are planning to start up Coal Fired Plants at this rate for the next five years.

AND WE ARE TO START SHUTTING OURS DOWN???

46 posted on 12/02/2007 2:49:52 PM PST by frannie (Fear not tomorrow, God is already there.)
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To: Coleus

Most any coal fired boiler with basic Filters and Scrubbers and knowledgable operators are just great for the environment. We have a lot coal - lets get it and use it.

We have oil reserves - lets get them and use them.

Nuclear Power plants are safe (certainly safer than riding in Teddy’s car) - lets build them and use them.

Want energy independence - do the obvious! Conserve and increase the supply - now thats complicated.

In the meantime expand solar energy use beyond calculators and Traffic cameras.

Remember a lot of our imported oil comes from areas of the world that are doing their best to kill us!


47 posted on 12/02/2007 3:00:20 PM PST by TNoldman
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To: frannie
" It is also reported they are planning to start up Coal Fired Plants at this rate for the next five years. AND WE ARE TO START SHUTTING OURS DOWN???"

Kansas and Oklahoma have each turned down applications for coal fired power plants that will be needed for future use. These are scrubbed power plants and the Oklahoma one would have used CCT to ensure emissions control. At some point American citizens will be TOLD to reduce electrical usage and you can probably get used to rolling brownouts.

48 posted on 12/02/2007 3:01:33 PM PST by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I didn't see it in my rear view mirror.)
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To: Coleus

The U.S. has the worlds greatest reserves of coal.
Of course the America haters want us to not use it.


49 posted on 12/02/2007 3:23:07 PM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: Coleus

Gee. And we have the world’s largest supply — enough for 300 years. What a coincidence!


50 posted on 12/02/2007 3:24:49 PM PST by pabianice
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