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John McCain
UNION-TRIBUNE ^ | Sunday, Dec. 2, 2007 | By Howard R. Ernst

Posted on 12/02/2007 5:49:02 PM PST by mossyoaks

This is one in a series examining where the leading contenders vying for the Republican and Democratic parties' presidential nominations stand on the major issues. The series will run through early January when the state party caucuses and primaries begin. If presidential candidates were evaluated solely on the strength of their resumes or the quality of their character, it is likely that John McCain would be leading this year's pack of presidential hopefuls.

He is the only major candidate to have served in the military and one of the few candidates in recent history with firsthand experience of the horrors of war. Beyond his military record, he has 25 years of combined government service in the U.S. House of Representatives (1982-86) and the U.S. Senate (1986-present), and is currently the ranking member of the Senate Armed Services Committee. He has proven his ability to reach across the partisan divide and achieve significant legislative accomplishments.

As for character, John McCain is in a league of his own. His legendary character was formed within the walls of Bancroft Hall at the U.S. Naval Academy and forged by his experience as a prisoner of war in Vietnam, where he was held captive for 5-and-a-half years and tortured at the hands of the North Vietnamese.

At a recent GOP debate, McCain made light of his ordeal by comparing his experience to Sen. Hillary Clinton's support for a publicly financed museum to commemorate the 1969 Woodstock Concert. McCain joked that he had heard about the concert but did not attend, as he was “tied up at the time,” to which the Republican candidates burst into laughter. While Mayor Rudy Giuliani and the others enjoyed the levity of the moment, McCain looked directly into the camera and with complete conviction declared that no one who supports such projects should be president of the United States. In an instant, the laughter melted into a standing ovation.

With McCain as the GOP candidate, there would be no accusations of an inflated military record, no hints of corruption, no innuendos of infidelity, no rumors of drug use or drunk driving, no questions of his work ethic and no assertions of flip-flopping on key issues. In many ways, McCain appears to be the ideal candidate for a nation involved in a global military conflict and hungry for effective, bipartisan leadership. His trouble gaining momentum in the Republican nominating contest has nothing to do with a lack of character or with inexperience. If nothing else, recent presidents of both parties have established that character issues and inexperience are not necessarily fatal flaws for presidential candidates. McCain's political sin has been his abundance of character and wealth of experience, not his lack of these most important attributes.

His commitment to core issues (what his detractors refer to as his stubbornness) has gained him the reputation as the “maverick of the Senate.” Without question, Sen. McCain has taken positions that are out of step with the current president and a certain wing of the Republican Party.

Most famously, McCain championed the Bi-Partisan Campaign Finance Reform Act of 2002, better known as the McCain-Feingold reforms, which attempted to close loopholes in the outdated campaign finance system. The reform package was initially resisted by President Bush and immediately challenged by the leadership of the Republican Party. Mitch McConnell, then the Republican majority whip in the Senate, unsuccessfully challenged the law in the Supreme Court. While candidates for federal office have found gaping new holes in the reformed system, the most lasting impact of the reform package was to put pro-Bush Republicans on notice, the party was not theirs alone.

Immigration reform is another area in which McCain found himself at odds with the majority sentiment of his party. In 2006, he was a key supporter of a comprehensive immigration plan in the Senate that would have extended guest-worker passes to immigrants and established a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants who have worked in the U.S. for five years. The Senate bill that McCain favored was opposed by a majority of Republicans in the Senate, while the House version, which focused on border security and offered no mechanism for citizenship, received strong support from Republicans in the House. The House and Senate were unable to overcome their differences and comprehensive immigration reform was set aside. McCain went back to his legislative work, minus a few Republican friends.

No issue reveals McCain's willingness to buck party pressures and public opinion more than his stance against Islamic extremists. While his strong support for the initial use of force in Afghanistan and Iraq might be expected from a Republican in the post-9/11 world, his actions after the initial stage of the conflict were anything but typical. When many on both sides of the aisle grew wary of the conflict and were looking for ways to distance themselves from “President Bush's war,” McCain was the first and most vocal supporter of sending additional troops to the region. Even with support for the war sharply declining in the American public, or perhaps because of the sharp decline, McCain saw little choice but to intensify his support.

One could almost hear the helicopters buzzing in his head, buzzing over the U.S. embassy in Saigon in 1975. For McCain, Iraq is the continuation of a war he has been fighting his entire life, a war to defend the United States against enemies foreign and domestic. To abandon the mission now might be politically expedient, but it is not an option for McCain.

The memory of Vietnam, scarred into his memory by the ropes of his North Vietnamese interrogators, was most certainly on his mind in 2005 when he opposed President Bush and fought for a ban on U.S. interrogation methods that he considers torture. He certainly did not launch his anti-torture crusade due to the support of Vice President Cheney, who lobbied against the measure, or due to the support from the chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, Republican Duncan Hunter, who also opposed the bill, or due to the support of President Bush, who threatened to veto the legislation. Faced with the full wrath of McCain and growing public pressure from within the United States and from U.S. allies abroad, President Bush reluctantly signed the bill. Defiant to the end, Bush issued his now famous signing statement in which he reserved the right to waive the restrictions on torture, should they interfere with his broader constitutional powers. Once again McCain had defied his party leaders and landed a less than complete victory.

While he has never shied away from a just fight, it would be a mistake to assert that Sen. John S. McCain III, the son and grandson of admirals in the U.S. Navy, is something akin to a loose cannon. McCain is a conservative Republican, occupying the Arizona Senate seat once held by the father of modern conservatism, Barry Goldwater. Sen. McCain has an 82 percent lifetime rating by the American Conservative Union, suggesting that he has voted in favor of key conservative issues 82 percent of the time. McCain has a consistent pro-life voting record and regularly supports free trade, nuclear power, private Social Security savings accounts, school vouchers, the death penalty and controlling government spending.

McCain is a conservative, but not a Christian conservative in the Southern mold of George W. Bush. McCain has never enjoyed the support of the Republican Party's Christian base and in fact was burned by the Christian Right in his 2000 presidential bid, when a smear campaign caused him to lose the all-important South Carolina primary and eventually the nomination to the evangelical candidate of choice, his rival George W. Bush.

His position on social issues, in particular his position on gay rights, reveals the difference between McCain and the Christian right. In 2004, he broke with the president and leading Republicans by opposing a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage, a position that did not sit well with the party faithful. While he continues to oppose the constitutional amendment, he supports restrictions against gay marriage at the state level. Moreover, while he does not doubt that gay men and women have served the nation with honor in the military, he holds that open homosexuality in the military could weaken the armed forces and the country. Instead, he supports Bill Clinton's “don't ask/don't tell policy.”

These positions, based more on pragmatism than moral certainty, might very well reflect the majority position in America, but they do little to appease self-righteous interest groups on the right or left of the political spectrum.

A willful moderate in a world of political extremes, McCain is a lonely man these days. Gone is the “straight-talk express” of the 2000 campaign and the glowing media attention that came with his unconventional approach. Gone is the excitement of a candidate who successfully reached across party lines by appealing to moderate Republicans and moderate Democrats. Gone also are the supporters with deep pockets who funded his earlier campaign. What is left is a candidate who defined himself by resisting the policies of George W. Bush, only to be tainted by the one Bush policy he so outspokenly supported and Bush so fantastically blundered – Iraq. What is left is a man of unquestionable character and experience, and the realization that had McCain won in 2000, had his supporters in South Carolina been a little less principled, or had Bush's supporters been a little more honest; McCain would have done a better job.


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1 posted on 12/02/2007 5:49:03 PM PST by mossyoaks
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To: mossyoaks

Where’s the vomit alert?


2 posted on 12/02/2007 6:09:44 PM PST by Luke21 (No Rudy. No way. No Mitt . No way. No McCain. No way.)
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To: mossyoaks

“McCain has a consistent pro-life voting record and regularly supports free trade, nuclear power, private Social Security savings accounts, school vouchers, the death penalty and controlling government spending.”

But to some McCain is a Democrat? Those sure don’t sound like Dem issues to me.....not to mention his support of the war in Iraq.


3 posted on 12/02/2007 6:10:24 PM PST by tj21807
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To: mossyoaks

Senator John McCain is, in my opinion, one of the top five most corrupt senators in American history.

He does not belong in the Senate let along the White House.

He and Keating needed to be in jail together.


4 posted on 12/02/2007 6:13:05 PM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: mossyoaks
With McCain as the GOP candidate, there would be no ... no hints of corruption, no innuendos of infidelity,

HELLO? Keating Five anyone? How about McCrazy's own admissions of his infidelity? Quite a bit of it.

no rumors of drug use or drunk driving

Uh, there is the problem of his wife stealing narcotics and causing a physician in her employ to write Rxs in the name of other employees. And getting off almost scot-free.

no assertions of flip-flopping on key issues.

I see someone is asleep at the wheel.

5 posted on 12/02/2007 6:22:59 PM PST by freespirited (I'm voting for the GOP nominee.)
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To: mossyoaks

I guess, according to this guy, we should simply elevate whomever is Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to President every 4 years, and dispense with elections. Like Pakistan.


6 posted on 12/02/2007 6:26:28 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Don't trust anyone who canít take a joke. [Congressman BillyBob])
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To: tj21807
But to some McCain is a Democrat?

FYI, McCain looked into caucusing with the Democrats a few years ago. 2002, IIRC.

The list you quoted is cherry picked. McCain is big on nanny statism, opposed the Bush tax cuts, does not care about trashing the First Amendment, and tried to shove shamnesty down our throats. He didn't even know what the bill said.

He's also a crazy old coot with a temper like a blowtorch. Not good in a president.

7 posted on 12/02/2007 6:28:34 PM PST by freespirited (I'm voting for the GOP nominee.)
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Campaign Finance Reform is all you have to say about McCain (and Thompson for that matter).


8 posted on 12/02/2007 6:31:22 PM PST by webboy45
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To: mossyoaks

If this gun grabber gains traction, we better hide most of our guns, and keep the best ones loaded.


9 posted on 12/02/2007 6:51:50 PM PST by matthew fuller
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To: freespirited

If I recall Rush had a prescription drug problem, does that mean he has no credibility? I don’t think so.

So I think it’s grossly unfair to imply John McCain has a credibility problem because of his wife’s prescription problem (if that is even true).

McCain may have had a run-in with infidelity but decades ago. How relevant is that?

If these things are so relevant I’d challenge you to look at the rest of the candidates as well. NONE of them are perfect.


10 posted on 12/02/2007 6:53:21 PM PST by Norman Bates
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To: freespirited

Who is your candidate?

And whoever you say, I’m sure they have issues too that can be dredged up and recycled.


11 posted on 12/02/2007 7:25:39 PM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: freespirited

He’s also a crazy old coot with a temper like a blowtorch. Not good in a president.

Nice try. Fraid not. Best candidate out there. Yeah he has problems, his issues with his failed immigration compromise, his issues with his campaign finance compromise, and a history of telling things like it is. But he could be the conservatives best chance out there against barack and hillary. Unless we want to go down and flames and resign ourselves to listening to Rush beat the drum again for eight years.


12 posted on 12/02/2007 7:30:43 PM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

Of all the candidates actually registering on the seismograph, John McCain has the least chance of becoming the nominee.

Why? Because he is already known as a candidate and has hit his high-water mark. He’s not going to be making new converts.

Huckabee, Thompson, Romney and even Giuliani can go up, but McCain will have an extrodinarily tough time climbing beyond the 15% range.

Watch the others rise and fall. You may see Huckabee above 30% - for a while. Thompson may claw back into the 20% plus range. Giuliani may fall into the teens and claw his way back up. Willard may be able slip into single digits and still recover. Who knows?

But McCain will never see 20%.


13 posted on 12/02/2007 8:01:36 PM PST by John Valentine
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To: mossyoaks

Humor of the Day alert


14 posted on 12/02/2007 8:07:33 PM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: All

Why is McCain held to a higher standard than the other candidates? He gets slammed for the amnesty bill, but that was Fred’s baby as much or more than his - and Rudy & Romney had sanctuary cities and states, for cryin’ out loud!

McCain is a man of action & America would be much the better for it if he were in office.

Think of it this way, Babe Ruth had more home runs than anyone (for a while), but he also had his share of strike outs. At least McCain is stepping up to the plate - unlike all the other candidates who sit on the bench until some political wind tells then what position to play.

So McCain’s had some strike outs (some might say - not me), he’s also had more home runs than anyone & continues to be true to his convictions w/out compromising his integrity. Give me a man like that for POTUS - admit it, he got the experience, knowledge, record, integrity & guts to do the job!


15 posted on 12/02/2007 8:07:49 PM PST by mossyoaks (Victory for W!!)
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To: mossyoaks
>>>So McCain’s had some strike outs

Some? SOME?

May 3, 1992

Memorandum for: Vice Chairman, Senate Select Committee on Prisoners of War and Missing in Action

From: John F. McCreary

Subject: Possible Violations of Title 18, U.S.C., Section 2071, by the Select Committee and Possible Ethical Misconduct by Staff Attorneys.

1. Continuing analysis of relevant laws and further review of the events between 8 April and 16 April 1992 connected with the destruction of the Investigators' Intelligence Briefing Text strongly indicate that the order to destroy all copies of that briefing text on 9 April and the actual destruction of copies of the briefing texts plus the purging of computer files might constitute violations of Title 18, U.S.C., Section 2071, which imposes criminal penalties for unlawful document destruction. Even absent a finding of criminal misconduct, statements, actions, and failures to act by the senior Staff attorneys following the 9 April briefing might constitute serious breaches of ethical standards of conduct for attorneys, in addition to violations of Senate and Select Committee rules. The potential consequences of these possible misdeeds are such that they should be brought to the attention of all members of the Select Committee, plus all Designees and Staff members who were present at the 9 April briefing.

2. The relevant section of Title 18, U.S.C., states in pertinent part: Section 2071. Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally (a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined not more than $2,000 or imprisoned not more than three years, or both. (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 795)

3. The facts as the undersigned and others present at the briefing recall them are presented in the attached Memorandum for the Record. A summary of those facts - and others that have been established since that Memorandum was written - follows.

a. On 8 April 1992, the Investigators' Intelligence Briefing Text was presented to Senior Staff members and Designees for whom copies were available prior to beginning the briefing. Objections to the text by the Designees prompted the Staff Director to order all persons present to leave their copies of the briefing text in Room SRB078. Subsequent events indicated that two copies had been removed without authorization.

b. On 9 April 1992, at the beginning of the meeting of the Select Committee and prior to the scheduled investigators' briefing, Senator McCain produced a copy of the intelligence briefing text, with whose contents he strongly disagreed. He charged that the briefing text had already been leaked to a POW/MIA activist, but was reassured by the Chairman that such was not the case. He replied that he was certain it would be leaked. Whereupon, the Chairman assured Senator McCain that there would be no leaks because all copies would be gathered and destroyed, and he gave orders to that effect. No senior staff member or attorney present cautioned against a possible violation of Title 18, U.S.C., Section 2071, or of Senate or Select Committee Rules.

c. Following the briefing on 9 April, the Staff Director, Ms. Frances Zwenig, restated to the intelligence investigators the order to destroy the intelligence briefing text and took measures to ensure execution of the destruction order. (See paragraph 3 of the attachment.) During one telephone conversation with the undersigned, she stated that she was "acting under orders."

d. The undersigned also was instructed to delete all computer files, which Mr. Barry Valentine witnessed on 9 April.

e. In a meeting on 15 April 1992, the Staff's Chief Counsel, J. William Codinha, was advised by intelligence investigators of their concerns about the possibility that they had committed a crime by participating in the destruction of the briefing text. Mr. Codinha minimized the significance of the documents and of their destruction. He admonished the investigators for "making a mountain out of a molehill."

f. When investigators repeated their concern that the order to destroy the documents might lead to criminal charges, Mr. Codinha replied "Who's the injured party." He was told, "The 2,494 families of the unaccounted for US Servicemen, among others." Mr. Codinha then said, "Who's gonna tell them. It's classified." At that point the meeting erupted. The undersigned stated that the measure of merit was the law and what's right, not avoidance of getting caught. To which Mr. Codinha made no reply. At no time during the meeting did Mr. Codinha give any indication that any copies of the intelligence briefing text existed.

g. Investigators, thereupon, repeatedly requested actions by the Committee to clear them of any wrongdoing, such as provision of legal counsel. Mr. Codinha admitted that he was not familiar with the law and promised to look into it. He invited a memorandum from the investigators stating what they wanted. Given Mr. Codinha's statements and reactions to the possibility of criminal liability, the investigators concluded they must request appointment of an independent counsel. A memorandum making such a request and signed by all six intelligence investigators was delivered to Mr. Codinha on 16 April.

h. At 2130 on 16 April, the Chairman of the Senate Select Committee, convened a meeting with the intelligence investigators, who told him personally of their concern that they might have committed a crime by participating in the destruction of the briefing texts at the order of the Staff Director. Senator Kerry stated that he gave the order to destroy the documents, not the Staff Director, and that none of the Senators present at the meeting had objected. He also stated that the issue of document destruction was "moot" because the original briefing text had been deposited with the Office of Senate Security "all along." Both the Staff Director and the Chief Counsel supported this assertion by the Chairman.

i. Senator Kerry's remarks prompted follow-up investigations (See paragraphs 4 through 9 of the attachment) and inquiries that established that a copy of the text was not deposited in the Office of Senate Security until the afternoon of 16 April. The Staff Director has admitted that on the afternoon of 16 April, after receiving a copy of a memorandum from Senator Bob Smith to Senator Kerry in which Senator Smith outlined his concerns about the destruction of documents, she obtained a copy of the intelligence briefing text from the office of Senator McCain and took it to the Office of Senate Security. Office of Senate Security personnel confirmed that the Staff Director gave them an envelope, marked "Eyes Only," to be placed in her personal file. The Staff Director has admitted that the envelope contained the copy of the intelligence briefing text that she obtained from the office of Senator McCain.

3. The facts of the destruction of the intelligence briefing text would seem to fall inside the prescriptions of the Statute, Title 18, U.S.C., Section 2071, so as to justify their referral for investigation to a competent law enforcement authority. The applicability of that Statute was debated in United States v. Poindexter, D.D.C. 1989, 725 F. Supp. 13, in connection with the Iran Contra investigation. The District Court ruled, inter alia, that the National Security Council is a public office within the meaning of the Statute and, thus, that its records and documents fell within the protection of the Statute. In light of that ruling, the Statute would seem to apply to this Senate Select Committee and its Staff. The continued existence of a "bootleg" copy of the intelligence briefing text - i.e., a copy that is not one of those made by the investigators for the purpose of briefing the Select Committee - would seem to be irrelevant to the issues of intent to destroy and willfulness; as well as to the issue of responsibility for the order to destroy all copies of the briefing text, for the attempt to carry out that order, and for the destruction that actually was accomplished in execution of that order.

4. As for the issue of misconduct by Staff attorneys, all member of the Bar swear to uphold the law. That oath may be violated by acts of omission and commission. Even without a violation of the Federal criminal statute, the actions and failures to act by senior Staff attorneys in the sequence of events connected with the destruction of the briefing text might constitute violations

of ethical standards for members of the Bar and of both Senate and Select Committee rules. The statements, actions and failures to act during and after the meeting on 15 April, when the investigators gave notice of their concern about possible criminal liability for document destruction, would seem to reflect disregard for the law and for the rules of the United States Senate.

John F. McCreary

16 posted on 12/02/2007 8:14:58 PM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Calpernia
Couldn't continue to have that embargo lifted with new business to profit from!

In October 1990 John McCain said on the floor of the Senate: “Mr. President, I am anxious to construct a new relationship with our old adversary (Vietnam)”. He, who was in a Vietnamese prison camps for five and a half years, was pushing hard for normalized relations with Hanoi long before anyone else was.

Between when Clinton said that he would not normalize relations with Vietnam until there was a full accounting and the time he lifted the Trade Embargo only two Americans had been accounted for in Vietnam.

Lifting the embargo opened the door for the multi-billion dollar corporation, Lippo Group with American business partners, such as Stephens Investment of Little Rock, AR to conduct business in Vietnam. Mr A. Vernon Weaver, at that time the Vice-President for Operations in the Pacific Rim of Stephens Investment and a member of the Board of Visitors at the U.S. Naval Academy was instrumental in arranging an upgrade of the position of Commandant of the U.S. Naval Academy from two stars to four stars.

Former U.S. Navy officers, Senators John Kerry and John McCain supported this reorganization.

http://www.usvetdsp.com/billbell.htm

An indication of just how deep and subtle Red Chinese roots run in U.S. business and government affairs deals with McCain and Kerry. Both McCain and Kerry fought long and hard to provide the political cover Clinton needed when he made the controversial decision to normalize relations with Vietnam. McCain’s wife, Cindy, is the daughter of James Hensley, who is the second largest Anheuser-Busch distributor in the United States. McCain is an officer in Hensley & Co. and Cindy is a vice president. The McCain family owns several million dollars in Anheuser-Busch stock. As a part of an aggressive campaign to enhance its international standing in the beer market, Anheuser-Busch has had signned contracts and invested hundreds of millions building brewery operations in China and Vietnam. I can’t link any of those contracts involve Lippo. Some docs retrieved from the net revealed that Riady’s Lippo is the holder of a license for Sea World in Indonesia and that Anheuser-Busch owns all the Sea World themeparks in the United States as well as some overseas. Is there a connection between Anheuser-Busch and Lippo?

http://www.usvetdsp.com/billbell.htm

SeaWorld/Lippo Connection:

Old URL: http://www.lippo.co.id/Main.htm Internet Cache: http://web.archive.org/web/19980530014836/http://www.lippo.co.id/Main.htm

Net cache shows Lippo holds/held the license on Sea World in Indonesia.

“Today I am lifting the trade embargo against Vietnam because I am absolutely convinced it offers us the best way to resolve the fate of those who remain missing and about whom we are not sure.” Two things happened between November 1992 and February 1994 which bear on this issue. One was that Senators John Kerry and John McCain lobbied the president to drop the embargo. The second thing was that in September 1993 the head of the Lippo Group, Mochtar Riady, led a trade mission of Asian bankers on a trip to Vietnam to (in his words) “size up business opportunities there.” Lippo helps, among other things, to finance trade deals. It therefore stood to benefit enormously from expanded trade between Vietnam and the United States;

Old URL: http://www.empower.org/html/policy/misc/roadmap3.htm See Internet Cache: http://web.archive.org/web/20000816001233/http://www.empower.org/html/policy/misc/roadmap3.htm

Every time I’ve seen McCain’s name in reference to legislation, Kerry’s name pops up as well. It is like they are two peas in a pod. So I checked out Kerry to see what his connections were:

KGB-ASSOCIATED SPY PAID DEMOCRATIC PARTY

Military secrets on infrared detectors, drawings of rotors for Sikorsky attack helicopters and documents on stealth technology. Subrahmanyam M. Kota was a spy that delivered to the KGB. He sold U.S. military secrets to the former Soviet Union. Yet he paid some of the proceeds, $5250, to the Democratic Party and to Democratic Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts. When he was finally brought to justice in Massachusetts, he was allowed to plea bargain his charges down to mere tax evasion on his espionage windfall.

Old URL: http://www.federal.com/jun16-97/Cash See Internet Cache: http://web.archive.org/web/19990209005109/http://www.federal.com/jun16-97/Cash

Frances Zwenig, John Kerry’s (D-MA) chief of Staff for the now defunct Senate Select Committee on POW/MIAs, was given a position at Commerce in the Vietnam Interests Section until some genius decided it may be a conflict of interest. Ms. Zwenig coached the Vietnamese on how to testify before the SSC in order to show that Hanoi was cooperating; an obstacle in the way of lifting the embargo or normalizing. . . Zwenig had headed a US based organization that lobbied American business to invest on Vietnam.

In order to follow the money trail, involves the various business and 527s of Senators:

John Forbes Kerry (D-MA)
John Sydney McCain III (R-AZ)
Jesse Helms (R-NC)
Frank Murkowski (R-AK)

This involves the political contributions and the relationships connected to the companies that made the contributions. This involves searching the 527s relationships that these guys are into. Then the links to Riady/Lippo. It gets messy on a home computer. But the involvements show in Google searches.

http://www.ojc.org/powforum/editor/lippo.htm

Kerry’s cousin, C. Stewart Forbes, is CEO of Colliers International, real estate.

In Dec. 1992, Vietnam granted Colliers a contract designating Colliers the “exclusive real estate agent representing Vietnam.” Colliers has since written contracts in Vietnam worth billions, upgrading Vietnam’s ports, railroads, highways and government buildings.

Colliers is involved with Lippo in multimillion contracts in Indonesia. Kerry, who has a blind trust run by members of his family, claims he knows nothing about his cousin’s business deals or affiliations.

http://www.ojc.org/powforum/editor/lippo2.htm

17 posted on 12/02/2007 8:18:05 PM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Calpernia

And history was made!

Lifting the embargo opened the door for the multi-billion dollar corporation, Lippo Group with American business partners, such as Stephens Investment of Little Rock, AR to conduct business in Vietnam. Mr A. Vernon Weaver, at that time the Vice-President for Operations in the Pacific Rim of Stephens Investment and a member of the Board of Visitors at the U.S. Naval Academy was instrumental in arranging an upgrade of the position of Commandant of the U.S. Naval Academy from two stars to four stars.

October 12, 2000 Riady Invites Clinton to Lippo Board Indonesian tycoon James Riady has invited U.S. President Bill Clinton to join the board of Lippo Group when he steps down from office early next year, according to business people who have met Riady in Jakarta recently. Riady has been telling business contacts in Jakarta that he expects Clinton to accept, even though the U.S. president has been dogged by allegations that Riady funnelled illegal foreign donations to Clinton’s 1992 and 1996 election campaigns. A former Lippo Group employee reports that as far back as the mid-1990’s Riady was said to be trying to recruit Clinton to the board as soon as he left office. Jakarta police are currently helping the U.S. Justice Department in its investigation of the alleged campaign contributions.

Lippo Group

* A 12 billion dollar Indonesian financial conglomerate.(1)
* Lippo has a business partnership with China Resources Holding Company, which is owned by China’s government and staffed with Chinese military intelligence officers.(2)

James Riady

* Indonesian billionaire.(3)
* He and his family run the Lippo Group.(4)
* An acquaintance of Bill Clinton since the 1980’s.(3)
* Former permanent green card holder who worked in Arkansas.(3)

Soraya & Arief Wiriadinata

* Daughter and son-in-law of a Lippo partner.(4)
* As of 1996, Arief worked as a gardener in Virginia. (4)

John Huang

* “Long time” friend of Bill Clinton.(4)
* Former director of Lippo Group USA.(4)
* Former Commerce Department employee.(4)
* Former DNC Vice Chairman of Finance.(4)

Laws:

* 2 U.S.C. 441(e) It is against the law for foreign nationals to directly or indirectly contribute, solicit, or receive campaign contributions.(9)

* 18 U.S.C. 1956 It is against the law to solicit or receive campaign contributions that have been laundered in an effort to conceal the actual source of the money. (9)

* 18 U.S.C. 600 It is against the law for a government official to reward or provide a benefit to someone based on their political activity.(9)

* 18 U.S.C. 595 It is against the law for government employees to use their office in any way to affect federal elections.(9)

* It is legal for foreigners who are permanent residents and for individuals who work for U.S. subsidiaries of foreign corporations to donate to political campaigns, but the money must be generated inside the U.S.(3)

What They Gave:

Lippo Group

* The Lippo Group made consulting payments to Webb Hubbell totaling between $100,000 and $250,000 after Hubbell had promised to cooperate with Whitewater investigators. Hubbell did not cooperate and no recommendation for leniency was made at his sentencing. (5)

James Riady

* Riady has donated over $475,000 to the DNC, Clinton Inaugural Fund, and related Democratic candidates. An August 1992 memo to Bill Clinton says Riady “will be giving $100,000 to this event and has the potential to give much more.”(3)

* Bank statements, memos, and checks show that one of Riady’s 1992 donations was directly covered by foreign funds and the rest came from a personal bank account that appears to have received foreign money before and after donations were made.(3)

Sonaya & Arief Wiriadinata

* Illegally contributed $450,000 to the DNC.(8)

* Arief is heard on videotape (at a White House coffee) telling Bill Clinton, “James Riady sent me.”(4)

John Huang

* Has raised over $3.4 million for the DNC, approximately half of which, has been returned.(4)

* At a 1996 Los Angeles fund raiser, Bill Clinton said, “I’d like to thank my long time friend, John Huang, for being so effective. Frankly, he’s been so effective, I was amazed that you were all cheering for him tonight after he’s been around in his aggressive efforts to help our cause.”(4)

What They Got:

Lippo Group

* The Lippo Group has investments in the coal mining industry in Indonesia. The leading export of Indonesia is a new form of clean burning, low sulfur coal. This is the only type of coal that meets the U.S. Clean Air Standards Act.(6)

* The largest known deposit in the world of this coal is located in Southern Utah.(6)

* The coal in Utah was slated to be mined when Bill Clinton declared 1.7 million acres in Southern Utah as the “Grand Escalante National Momument.” This declaration made the coal mining project infeasible and locked up over a trillion dollars worth of this coal. (6)

* Bill Clinton never discussed his decision with Congress , Utah officials, or the Democratic Congressman who represented this district until the midnight before the declaration was made.(7)

* The head of the Council of Environmental Quality (Kathleen McGinty) stated in an email that the lands were “not really endangered.” The associate director (Linda Lance) stated in an email that the lands were “not threatened.”(6)

* The surrounding 29 Utah counties have filed suit to overturn Clinton’s declaration.(6)

James Riady

* James Riady was an occasional visitor to the White House and had direct access to Bill Clinton.(3)

* Clinton spokes people told reporters that visits with James Riady were “social visits.” A videotape of a July 1996 dinner for James Riady shows Bill Clinton discussing the deployment of U.S. aircraft carriers to the Taiwan Strait.(4)

John Huang

* Huang was hired at the Commerce Dept. in 1994. His supervisor (Jeff Garten) testified, “He was totally unqualified.”(1)

* When Huang left the Lippo Group for the Commerce Department, he was paid a $780,000 bonus by Lippo.(1)

* Huang received Top Secret Security Clearance before, during, and after his tenure at Commerce.(1)

* According to a memo dated January 31, 1994, the chief of security at Commerce (Paul Buskirk) granted Huang “a waiver of background investigation.”(2)

* While at the Commerce Dept. Huang received intelligence briefings from the CIA, had access to top secret reports, visited the White House at least 67 times, and met with Bill Clinton at least 15 times.(2)

* According to telephone records, Huang made at least 261 phone calls to Lippo Group offices during his tenure at Commerce.(2)

* Huang received 37 classified briefings on China and Vietnam from the CIA. According to the testimony of a CIA officer John Dickerson, Huang had access to “extremely sensitive sources.”(1)

Obstruction / Cover Up:

* In March of 1997, the House Resources Committee requested documents detailing President Clinton’s decision to designate the 1.7 million acres in southern Utah as the Grand Escalante National Monument. The White House supplied over 100 documents and withheld 27. The House Committee subpoenaed the 27 withheld documents and they were produced on October 22, 1997. (7)

* James Riady has left the country.(4)

* Sonaya & Arief Wiriadinata have left the country.(4)

* John Huang is pleading the Fifth Ammendment.(4)

* Attorney General Janet Reno (Clinton appointee) heads the Justice Department, which is responsible for investigating campaign finance violations. The head of the FBI, (Louis Freeh, Clinton appointee) and the lead investigator (Charles LaBella) have recommended the appointment of an independent counsel to investigate this matter. As of July 1998, Janet Reno refuses to appoint an independent counsel.(10)

Sources:

1) “John Huang: In His Own Words.” Fox News, October 24, 1997.
2) Judicial Watch Newsletter, 1998.
3) Associated Press. “Memo shows Riady got ride with Clinton.” Washington Times National Weekly Edition, June 15-21, 1998.
4) Editorial: “Those many former FOB’s.” Washington Times National Weekly Edition, October 28-November 2, 1997.
5) Seper, Jerry. “Hubbell, wife indicted on tax evasion.” Washington Times National Weekly Edition, May 4-10, 1998.
6) The Citizens Presidential Impeachment Indictment, Citizens for Honest Government, 1998. Source cited: Washington Times
7) Larson, Ruth. “Panel gets papers on Utah land decision.” Washington Times National Weekly Edition, October 28-November 2, 1997.
8) Editorial: “Dealing with the Suharto crisis.” Washington Times National Weekly Edition, March 31- April 5, 1998.
9) Levin, Mark R. “Commentary: Want reform? Make politicians obey the law.” Washington Times National Weekly Edition, November 8-14, 1997.
10) Seper, Jerry. “Reno refuses to turn over memos to Burton committee.” Washington Times National Weekly Edition, August 10-16, 1998.

Sources:
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_United_States_campaign_finance_controversy
* http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/campfin/players/huang.htm
* http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/campfin/players/riady.htm
* http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/campfin/players/lippo.htm


18 posted on 12/02/2007 8:19:08 PM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Calpernia

I read this to implicate Kerry, not McCain.


19 posted on 12/02/2007 8:24:53 PM PST by mossyoaks (Victory for W!!)
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To: mossyoaks

You didn’t read the whole memo then.


20 posted on 12/02/2007 8:26:42 PM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet
Oh my freaking God! The case against McCain is huge. Campaign finance reform gave us George Soros / Move on. org politics and is anathema to free speech advocates. He was the sole Republican opposing permanent Bush tax cuts and in the Senate sided with the Democrats in opposing measures to stop the fillibustering of popular Republican measures. Hes probably mostly reponsible for the inefectiveness of 6 yrs of Repub majority in the legislature. He called Jerry Falwell an icon of intolerance and implied Evangelical Republicans are wacko racists.

His record on immigration is abominable and arrogant and tin-eared, as he sucks up to big business monopolists (his forte). Hes the biggest media suckup there is and is HATED by any conservative who dares to follow politics. He's even said things that suggest he's even unreliable on those things he supposedly favors, ie abortion, gun control, etc. He will never , NEVER get the nomination.

21 posted on 12/02/2007 8:38:32 PM PST by Nonstatist
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To: Calpernia

re: posts 17 & 18 This still seems to be much more incriminating for Clinton & Kerry, especially Clinton. The connection between Anheuser Busch/Sea World & Lippo is a pretty small blip compared to all the DNC contributions, etc. I’m sure you could find a connection between Anheusr Busch & just about anything on the planet if you look hard enough - I’m not seeing anything that is really a red flag concerning McCain himself.

You seem to imply that McCain wanted to normalize relations w/ Vietnam in order to open the market for profits for Anheuser Busch & was willing to forego investigations into the POW/MIA issue in order to do that. That makes no sense - especially given McCain’s staus as a former POW himself.

What are you implying is the significance in getting the USNA Commandant position upgraded to 4-star?


22 posted on 12/02/2007 8:51:45 PM PST by mossyoaks (Victory for W!!)
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To: Calpernia

Said she got the documents from McCain’s office - not McCain himself. Plus, Kerry was the one who said (lied) that the documents were on file when they were not.

Implicates Kerry, not McCain.


23 posted on 12/02/2007 8:56:39 PM PST by mossyoaks (Victory for W!!)
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To: Nonstatist

Hyperbole!

Mostly opinion, not facts.


24 posted on 12/02/2007 8:59:49 PM PST by mossyoaks (Victory for W!!)
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To: Calpernia

No. Who has the time to?

I did see Jesse Helms’ name mentioned. Is he now considered one of the bad guys as well?


25 posted on 12/02/2007 9:13:19 PM PST by Norman Bates
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To: John Valentine

You may be right. We will see.


26 posted on 12/02/2007 9:19:00 PM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: Nonstatist; Calpernia

Some just DON’t get it even if you hit them with a ton of evidence.


27 posted on 12/02/2007 9:20:59 PM PST by Travelgirl
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To: Nonstatist

Probably all valid points.

But, lets look at this rationally.
How about we look at the pluses and minuses of each candidate?
Who do want as a wartime president of all candidates? Does Mitt Romney, Huckabee, Paul, and Guiliani have extensive foreign policy experience?

I tend to think of the president of someone who knows how to protect the nation. Guiliani knows how to put a city back together, but does he have established international relationships to draw upon in times of crises?

I think the conservatives could keep McCain in line on all the other issues. We proved it on the amnesty bill. We can get the campaign finance bill reversed. He isn’t really running on a mandate expect getting the conservative spending back in line. How do you do that? Cut spending.

As for opposing Bush tax cuts, it doesn’t really matter when Bush is spending money well beyond what we are taking in, and I know a lot is due to the two wars. But I think it will e worth in the long run. But we need to watch the defense-related contractors. Seems like they are running amuck.

There is no perfect candidate. I just don’t want a shopping mall to blow up and that’s going to guide my vote.


28 posted on 12/02/2007 9:32:37 PM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: TitansAFC; meandog; therut; Laissez-faire capitalist; MARTIAL MONK; Zhang Fei; napscoordinator; ...
New Hampshire's most influential newspaper endorses John McCain (full article).

The McCain List.
Common sense conservatism

29 posted on 12/02/2007 10:14:50 PM PST by Norman Bates
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To: Tulsa Ramjet; tj21807
Yeah, he's just great.

Free Republic Opinion Poll:
Would you be for or against McCain?
Member Opinion
against 92.4% 2,989
for 7.6% 247

The Real McCain

McCain and Stem Cell Research Round-up

McCain and 'the Constitution'

SEN. JOHN McCAIN: THE ULTIMATE "RHINESTONE HERO"

SEN. JOHN McCAIN: THE ULTIMATE "RHINESTONE HERO" Part II

John McCain Is No Hero

U.S. Sen. John McCain is no War Hero

John McCain: The Manchurian Candidat

JOHN MCCAIN, WARTS AND ALL

John McCain, you treasonous bastard, I challenge you or any of your traitorous cohorts... (thread by Jim Robinson)

McCain Is Booed by Labor Activists

McCain Rides to Kerry's Rescue: "John Kerry is Not Weak on Defense" (Today Show alert)

John McCain SCREAMS AT 9/11 FSA MEMBERS FOR OPPOSING HIS BILL TO GIVE AMNESTY FOR ILLEGALS

John McCain's Skeleton Closet

A number of articles on McCain. (some the same as above)

McCain Seeks to Change California Primary

John McCain Gets Soros Cash

McCain/Soros by Rabbi Areyh Spero

Soros' "Reform" (an article about Soros‘ instrumental hand in McCain/Feingold)

Not Child‘s Play [McCain/Schumer bill could effect FR?]

McCain's Letter (McCain aligns with Global Enviro activists)

The Turning Point on Global Warming (McCain and Lieberman Op-Ed Alert)

Climate bill sets stage for debate (Sens. McCain, Obama, and Lieberman join forces)

McCain: Global warming is fact, must be addressed [hurl alert]

McCain Looked into Caucusing with Democrats

McCain Still Disliked by Fiscal Conservatives (Club For Growth)

John McCain Goes Left for Money

McCain, Obama Make Deal on Financing

Sens. Snowe, Collins to head Maine exploratory committee for McCain

Double Talk Express. McCain in his own words. VIDEO

More YOUTUBE - McCain On Abortion (UH OH! YouTube Has a Video of Him in 1999)

30 posted on 12/02/2007 10:18:44 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason. - Home invaders will be shot. - Current temperature 37f)
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To: webboy45

“Campaign Finance Reform is all you have to say about McCain”

Gang of 14 and amnesty, if anything else is needed.


31 posted on 12/02/2007 10:21:16 PM PST by incredulous joe (" Youth is easily deceived because it is quick to hope.")
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To: TitansAFC; meandog; therut; Laissez-faire capitalist; MARTIAL MONK; Zhang Fei; napscoordinator; ...

Correction: this is not the endorsement from the Union Leader which I pinged you to earlier. This is from a continuing series appraising the candidates, but it is well worth the read.


32 posted on 12/02/2007 10:25:12 PM PST by Norman Bates
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To: mossyoaks
McCain is a man of action & America would be much the better for it if he were in office.

Team America Alert!!!

see post #30

33 posted on 12/02/2007 10:25:31 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason. - Home invaders will be shot. - Current temperature 37f)
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To: webboy45
Campaign Finance Reform is all you have to say about McCain (and Thompson for that matter).

Outlawing particular means of political speech for private citizens isn't enough for you? Sheesh!

34 posted on 12/02/2007 10:29:17 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason. - Home invaders will be shot. - Current temperature 37f)
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To: Luke21

Yeah, no kidding. Character, as in Keating Five type character?


35 posted on 12/02/2007 10:35:06 PM PST by Pining_4_TX
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To: mossyoaks
Immigration reform is another area in which McCain found himself at odds with the majority sentiment of his party.

Make that at odds with the majority of the American people. If McCain had had his way, this country would be finished as we know it.

36 posted on 12/02/2007 10:39:42 PM PST by kabar
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To: mossyoaks
Why is McCain held to a higher standard than the other candidates? He gets slammed for the amnesty bill, but that was Fred’s baby as much or more than his

Fred wasn't in the Senate when the 2006 and 2007 CIR bills came up. And McCain was a leading advocate and heavily involved in both bills. It was really the McCain-Kennedy bill in 2006.

So McCain’s had some strike outs (some might say - not me), he’s also had more home runs than anyone & continues to be true to his convictions w/out compromising his integrity.

Name some home runs. I might also add that McCain's ACU ratings have declined significantly over the past few years. In 2006, it was 65.

37 posted on 12/02/2007 10:47:04 PM PST by kabar
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To: mossyoaks; Calpernia
It had become clear that Kerry, Zwenig, and others close to the chairman, such as Senator John McCain of Arizona, a dominant committee member, had gotten cozy with the officials and agencies supposedly being probed for obscuring P.O.W. information over the years. Committee hearings, for example, were being orchestrated to suit the examinees, who were receiving lists of potential questions in advance. Another internal memo from the period, by a staffer who requested anonymity, said: "Speaking for the other investigators, I can say we are sick and tired of this investigation being controlled by those we are supposedly investigating."
38 posted on 12/02/2007 10:56:56 PM PST by kabar
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To: mossyoaks

Author of a Terrorist Bill of Rights and a strong opponent of free speech for American citizens.


39 posted on 12/03/2007 4:25:16 AM PST by samtheman
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To: mossyoaks

b. On 9 April 1992, at the beginning of the meeting of the Select Committee and prior to the scheduled investigators’ briefing, Senator McCain produced a copy of the intelligence briefing text, with whose contents he strongly disagreed. He charged that the briefing text had already been leaked to a POW/MIA activist, but was reassured by the Chairman that such was not the case. He replied that he was certain it would be leaked. Whereupon, the Chairman assured Senator McCain that there would be no leaks because all copies would be gathered and destroyed, and he gave orders to that effect. No senior staff member or attorney present cautioned against a possible violation of Title 18, U.S.C., Section 2071, or of Senate or Select Committee Rules.


40 posted on 12/03/2007 5:18:47 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Travelgirl

Oh they get it. They just want it to go away.


41 posted on 12/03/2007 5:19:53 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

There is no plus to leaving our men behind.


42 posted on 12/03/2007 5:20:36 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: TigersEye

I mean, besides that stuff...what do you not like?


43 posted on 12/03/2007 7:33:37 AM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: Calpernia

What would John McCain’s reasoning for purposely leaving Vietnam P.O.W.’s behind?


44 posted on 12/03/2007 7:34:32 AM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: tj21807
“McCain has a consistent pro-life voting record and regularly supports free trade, nuclear power, private Social Security savings accounts, school vouchers, the death penalty and controlling government spending.”

You forgot to mention The gang of 14, Keating 5, and McCain Feingold, and a temper that will probably have us in a war in 6 monthes. No thanks.
45 posted on 12/03/2007 7:44:17 AM PST by rideharddiefast
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To: Tulsa Ramjet
I think the conservatives could keep McCain in line on all the other issues.

There is absolutely NO evidence whatsoever of that. He has spit in Republican's eyes when we practically ran the govt (Exec, legislature, judicial), and you think with a Democrat legislature he wont buckle continuously in order to get the NYT approval?

He'd raise taxes and increases social spending , and maybe hed be as aggressive as Bush on foreign policy, but maybe not (hes always looking to compromise).Romney, Guliani, Thompson, even Huckabee would be more "reliable", and at least as "tough".. We dont need a 71 yr old firecracker who is arrogant and an establishment status quo hack to boot. Theres better out there.

46 posted on 12/03/2007 8:11:12 AM PST by Nonstatist
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To: edcoil
He [McCain]and Keating needed to be in jail together.

My thinking exactly and add his (and Ketsup's) stab in the back of the MIA's families!!

47 posted on 12/03/2007 8:18:44 AM PST by Snoopers-868th
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

Already posted.


48 posted on 12/03/2007 9:46:29 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Calpernia

But I read that. But its not clear. Obvious to the article is a lack of intent of Kerry and the committee to continuet to pursue leads. But for what reason??

Now I’m conservative as the next FReeper, and a vet to boot, but is the reason is that the instigators and coveruppers are doing this to “get the war behind us”, and that alone?

Now if I was a family member of someone MIA, I’m sure I would be more forceful in demanding every lead followed up to ensure nothing is unturned and no one is left behind. But I fail to see any evidence of clear REASON and MOTIVE for doing so, other than those in power are wore out from the demands of the family members.

Yes it is a sensitive issue. What would those who could have their way, suggest as strategies to once and for all ensure everthing has been done? I’m listening. Is there some list of demands?


49 posted on 12/03/2007 10:21:40 AM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: tj21807
You judge a man by his actions and not his words. McCain has sided with the libs too many times. He is has kissed the liberal media too many times. His words no longer have meaning. His deeds are too late to the game. He is a hypocrite.
50 posted on 12/03/2007 10:25:14 AM PST by bmwcyle (BOMB, BOMB, BOMB,.......BOMB, BOMB IRAN)
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