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Former spy chief urges oil cutback [R. James Woolsey]
Miami Herald ^ | Sunday, December 2, 2007 | Jane Bussey

Posted on 12/02/2007 10:44:21 PM PST by SunkenCiv

"We should not just try to import less oil," the former CIA director under former President Clinton told a Miami audience Sunday. "We should destroy oil as a strategic commodity" that allows oil exporting nations to hold monopoly power... Woolsey's wide-ranging speech went from describing how Americans' dollars at the gas pumps made their way to fundamentalist Islamic institutions to illustrating advances in solar energy technology that make it more efficient and affordable... Among his suggestions was California's decision to decouple energy company profits from sales two decades ago, keeping the state's electricity consumption flat while the rest of the states have experienced a 60 percent increase. He also cited Wal-Mart for reducing electricity consumption by 20 percent to 25 percent at its stores, a giant savings considering that 70 percent of the world's electricity is used by buildings other than homes... Woolsey also made a pitch for new battery-powered, flex-fuel cars that could be recharged during off-peak periods of electricity costs... On the malignant side, oil and coal consumption are contributing to global warming, which could accelerate at any point. The U.S. electricity grid and world oil supplies also face threats from terrorists and not just glitches that can now cause massive power outages in the interconnected grid.

(Excerpt) Read more at miamiherald.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Israel; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: energy; energypolicy; oil; opec; rjameswoolsey; woolsey; wot
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Conservation won't do it. Regaining control of our energy supply will.
1 posted on 12/02/2007 10:44:23 PM PST by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 12/02/2007 10:45:29 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Friday, November 30, 2007____________________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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saudi opec dollar euro site:freerepublic.com
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3 posted on 12/02/2007 10:46:01 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Friday, November 30, 2007____________________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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4 posted on 12/02/2007 10:46:21 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Friday, November 30, 2007____________________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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$100 oil fades fast by David Ebner

5 posted on 12/02/2007 10:48:27 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Friday, November 30, 2007____________________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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6 posted on 12/02/2007 10:49:56 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Friday, November 30, 2007____________________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

We should switch over to an Al Gore-based fuel economy. We should be able to run everything on melted-down copies of An Inconvenient Truth and burning Earth in the Lurch and Assault on Reason copies for centuries.


7 posted on 12/02/2007 10:51:38 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (...sigh...)
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To: SunkenCiv
"Among his suggestions was California's decision to
decouple energy company profits from sales two decades
ago, keeping the state's electricity consumption flat
while the rest of the states have experienced a 60 percent increase"

What a load of fertilizer.

Less than 2% of the nations electric is generated by oil.

"On the malignant side, oil and coal consumption are
contributing to global warming."


The United States has one of the worlds largest reserves of
coal which could not only be used to generate electricity but can
be used to produce synthetic fuels for transportation (fischer troupe).

But of course the global warming boogie monster wont allow us.

I will make you freeper's a wager.
The largest oil reserves in the world are hiding in Alaska.
What say you?

More cr@p from a Clinton crony to control the masses.
8 posted on 12/02/2007 11:07:34 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: SunkenCiv
Among his suggestions was California's decision to decouple energy company profits from sales two decades ago, keeping the state's electricity consumption flat while the rest of the states have experienced a 60 percent increase.

I guess Woolsey missed that whole California energy crises thing - the one that cost Gray Davis his job. Shortages are what happens when you try to "decouple profits from sales".

9 posted on 12/02/2007 11:07:54 PM PST by antinomian (Show me a robber baron and I'll show you a pocket full of senators.)
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To: antinomian
“decouple profits from sales”(TM) Karl Marx all rights reserved...

Say, isn’t that what Chavez is trying to do?

10 posted on 12/02/2007 11:12:59 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: SunkenCiv
""We should not just try to import less oil," the former CIA director under former President Clinton told a Miami audience Sunday. "We should destroy oil as a strategic commodity"

Then tell your enviro wacko ninnies to stop interfering with development of our own resources, Alaska, shale, and development of resources of our eastern coasts, including the huge methane ice deposits that have the potential to supply all our gas needs for centuries to come.

As far as silly solar panels go, quit daydreaming. They just aren't viable, and most likely never will be. But you can go ahead and staple them all over the city if you want to, but I'm telling you now, they'll look like hell and bring about many an eyesore complaint. And there is that other problem with them. They don't last very long, about 5 years before they need replacing, and don't work at all when the sun doesn't shine, which is every evening, and when it's cloudy.

What else do you need to make solar panels more useable? Lots of lead acid batteries, which guess what? don't last forever either. We have a long ways to go to invent a more practical and environmentally friendly storage device for that electricity, and those environmental disasters they put under the hood of a prius isn't the answer either. The manufacture of each prius battery causes more environmental damage that running 10 Humvies for their entire life expectancy. If you don't think so just go look around the nickel mines in Ontario and Flin Flon in northern Manitoba, The processing plants in Germany where the nickel is processed, and the processing plant in Japan where they prius batteries are made from that material.

Some nuclear plants will really help while we develop our own oil and gas resources and other renewable biological industries which could help reduce the amount of oil we use.

11 posted on 12/02/2007 11:15:28 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary
Lets see 200 million vehicles x 800+ pounds of toxic
nickel or lithium batteries to dispose of every 3 years =
160,000,000,000 pounds or 80,000,000 tonnes.

No problem /s.
12 posted on 12/02/2007 11:21:18 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: Darkwolf377

Not to mention large supplies of Al Gore blubber and unlimited supplies of Al Gore hot air.


13 posted on 12/02/2007 11:26:25 PM PST by AZLiberty (President Fred -- I like the sound of it.)
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To: SunkenCiv
"The U.S. electricity grid and world oil supplies also face threats from terrorists and not just glitches that can now cause massive power outages in the interconnected grid."

No Wooly, our electric grid is a overburdened disaster because of the leftist environmentalist terrorist attacks it has been constantly bombarded by for decades now, which have left it horribly overburdened, and in need of massive upgrading and expansion. The problem is, the C holling earth worm has "rights" so we can't stick a transmission tower anywhere.

14 posted on 12/02/2007 11:27:17 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: SunkenCiv
This is ridiculous. We can never get completely off of oil.

We could reduce our oil consumption by 75% and all our suppliers would have to do is close the spigots accordingly. We would still be at their mercy.

What we need to do is drill for oil in Alaska and Colorado and offshore.

15 posted on 12/02/2007 11:28:33 PM PST by Texas Eagle (Could pacifists exist if there weren't people brave enough to go to war for their right to exist?)
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To: SunkenCiv
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/current/import.html

Only 15- 17% of our oil comes from the middle east.

Opening up offshore drilling will easily replace them.

Me thinks the masses are having games played with them.

(Generate phony crisis, then manipulate.)

16 posted on 12/02/2007 11:34:14 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: Nathan Zachary

Less than 2% of the nations electric is generated by oil.


17 posted on 12/02/2007 11:35:33 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: DaveTesla
"Say, isn’t that what Chavez is trying to do?"

I say we decouple Chavez's heavy oil from being processed into something useable at American based oil refineries, and decouple American dollars for Argentinian walnuts and pomegranates from flowing into that pint-sized Kim Jong il wanna be's hands. See how long it takes his own people to string that angry little munchkin up.

18 posted on 12/02/2007 11:37:17 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary
Ahhh...

Someone who get’s it.
Cut off Chavez’s oil from his own refineries (Citgo) and
let Venezuela dry up with a fuel crisis.

(He cant refine it in Venezuela).
But what would happen to the Kennedy oil business?
Hard Times for Teddy and clan?

19 posted on 12/02/2007 11:43:16 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: SunkenCiv
Jim Woolsey may be the biggest hawk left in the democratic party. He's also one of the most engaging speakers I've heard in many a year. He lays out the strategic/national security case for diversifying away from oil superbly.

Al Gore is a howl-at-the-moon loonie. Woolsey is a "praise the Lord and pass the ammunition" energy security guy. I'm sorry Bush didn't appoint him to something -- he's served in two prior Republican administrations so he swings both ways, but perhaps after CIA Director there's nothing much left to offer.

20 posted on 12/02/2007 11:44:30 PM PST by sphinx
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To: Nathan Zachary
Were all such suckers, aren't we?
21 posted on 12/02/2007 11:44:34 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: DaveTesla

Oil, coal, we could easily replace them all with a few nuclear power plants. The problem is our old and crumbling electricity grid, under attack for decades now by enviro-terrorists, is already overtaxed, and needs to be upgraded and expanded to meet our near future needs, and it has to start happening yesterday.

As far as oil goes, we use it for many things, plastics, industrial products, and of course automotive. We can only reduce that demand by so much, but we can compliment it with biological based fuels, which will extend our own supplies of the earth’s Abiotic oil production far into the future.


22 posted on 12/02/2007 11:48:02 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: SunkenCiv

“On the malignant side, oil and coal consumption are contributing to global warming...”

***************

This statement negates everything else he said.


23 posted on 12/02/2007 11:54:28 PM PST by Hunterite
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To: Nathan Zachary
Nuclear power can supply more of our needs.
But we are behind. Thank the enviro's and Mr peanut.

Thirty years later and no disasters?

As far as oil is concerned, There is no crisis...

It’s all made up to manipulate the market.

24 posted on 12/02/2007 11:56:10 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: DaveTesla
"But what would happen to the Kennedy oil business? Hard Times for Teddy and clan?"

Aww, poor Teddy. Maybe he should get into the alcohol fuel business. Lord knows he drinks enough of it himself to keep a small distilling company profitable.

Back to Chavez, yep, I get it. Unfortunately too many of our politicians have shares in Citgo, so they put their business above that of the nation, which should see them impeached.

25 posted on 12/02/2007 11:56:11 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: DaveTesla
"As far as oil is concerned, There is no crisis... It’s all made up to manipulate the market.

Absolutely. "Dry oil wells mysteriously refill themselves too, but this part of the world is in serious denial of where oil really comes from. They still think all this biomass (trillions of dinosaurs) somehow got buried 10 miles under the earths outer granite crust. Yet the earth keeps spitting out new oil in the darnedest of places. They don't really have to drill for oil, they just find where the leaks are. The Russians have figured it out. And we have some of the best rock (part of the Canadian shield) which has rock oil supplies beyond our wildest dreams.

26 posted on 12/03/2007 12:06:30 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary
At least we know he will never cut off his own refineries
which would cause a crisis in Venezuela.

Traitors, you bet!

How Teddy Kennedy Hampered Reagan's Cold War Efforts

Teddy using the KGB to betray Regan?
Never /s
27 posted on 12/03/2007 12:06:43 AM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: Nathan Zachary

I have to get some sleep.

Have a good one.


28 posted on 12/03/2007 12:10:51 AM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: DaveTesla
"The largest oil reserves in the world are hiding in Alaska ".

Yo Dave! Hold up ... Is this a Steve Mcgarrett type hunch or do you have a stronger basis for this theory than Miss Cleo told you that?

Regards

29 posted on 12/03/2007 12:13:48 AM PST by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment.. (A "Concerned Citizen".)
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To: DaveTesla
It’s all made up to manipulate the market.

============================================

And the lumpenproletariat.


"Dance, my little puppets, dance!"

30 posted on 12/03/2007 12:16:51 AM PST by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: Nathan Zachary
They don't last very long, about 5 years before they need replacing

Then why do they routinely come with 25 year warrany I wonder?

Regards

31 posted on 12/03/2007 12:17:45 AM PST by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment.. (A "Concerned Citizen".)
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To: ARE SOLE
warrany = warranty. ... Doh!
32 posted on 12/03/2007 12:20:17 AM PST by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment.. (A "Concerned Citizen".)
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To: SunkenCiv
Woolsey also made a pitch for new battery-powered, flex-fuel cars that could be recharged during off-peak periods of electricity costs...
That's a great idea. How 'bout you perfect that concept in California and then get back to us on that, eh?

Seriously, what amps are necessary to "fuel" all of these vehicles throughout an average subdivision (let alone an urban area)? Can California keep the lights on 24/7/4.3/12 as things are? Even so, electric cars are purported to be a good thing though, eh?

33 posted on 12/03/2007 12:22:02 AM PST by raygun ("It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone to believe anything upon insufficient evidence")
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To: ARE SOLE
Based on the geological formations that are present in Alaska (and throughout the Canadian north) conditions which rock oil is formed, suggests that there is vast amounts of oil and gas reserves waiting to be tapped into. The plus is those rock formations are closer to the surface in that region, so it's possible to drill into it. Otherwise rock oil is too deep for present drilling methods, so cracks (faults) where it seeps up into fields closer to the surface have to be found. Abiotic (rock oil) is continuously being formed deep in the earth.

The Statistical Thermodynamics of Petroleum Science

34 posted on 12/03/2007 12:28:41 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: ARE SOLE
“Then why do they routinely come with 25 year warranty I wonder?”

Check back with me when you can get the battery in your cell phone, let alone the battery in anything you own to last that long.

35 posted on 12/03/2007 12:29:49 AM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: raygun
"Seriously, what amps are necessary to "fuel" all of these vehicles throughout an average subdivision (let alone an urban area)? Can California keep the lights on 24/7/4.3/12 as things are? Even so, electric cars are purported to be a good thing though, eh?"

The average American doesn't even know how many dimes there are in a dollar, never mind expect them to figure out that one of those cars with a 180 volt, 1200 amp/hr output battery would really dim the lights if they tried to charge that up in less than 8 hrs.

They think they can buy one of those solar chargers you buy at costco and plug into the cigarette lighter and it will charge that baby up.

I saw a news report a week or so ago where these 'brilliant" univercity engineering students were replacing a prius battery with a dry cell Nicad type battery so they could plug it in at the student parking lot and charge up the battery (for free) while they were in class, so the engine wouldn't have to run at all driving to school and back home every day.

Imagine a student parking lot full of prius's all trying to charge their batteries from the service in a parking lot, (which is on a 35 amp breaker) and expecting to get that juice for free.

Idiots.

I bet when they found out their lame brain idea wouldn't work, they were awfully embarrassed that news story aired.

36 posted on 12/03/2007 12:40:21 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: ARE SOLE
"Then why do they routinely come with 25 year warrany I wonder?"

let me know where you can buy solar panels with a 25 year warranty. I'll go buy some to replace my dead ones.

37 posted on 12/03/2007 12:43:39 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: yankeedame
It is quite simple:

Don't allow any new refineries to be built for 25 years

Outlaw the drilling for oil in the Gulf and Alaska.

Me thinks its this thing called supply and demand. (spoken in a dumb voice)

Meanwhile declare ANWHR a nature preserve and try to hand it off to the U.N.
I'll let you form your own opinions:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Parks+under+control+of+the+united+nations&btnG=Search


You do realize your all being had don't you?

38 posted on 12/03/2007 12:43:50 AM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: yankeedame

Why else do you think they declared a frozen wasteland where it is dark six months of the year a nature preserve.

Since when is ice considered nature?


39 posted on 12/03/2007 12:47:59 AM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: DaveTesla

17% of our daily consumption of oil comes to around 3.6 million barrels of oil.

What untapped offshore sources of oil could replace that oil if that could be done how long would it last?


40 posted on 12/03/2007 12:54:16 AM PST by trumandogz (Hunter Thompson 2008)
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To: Nathan Zachary
Abiotic (rock oil) is continuously being formed deep in the earth.

ROFLMAO! But, if you are interested, I do have a bridge in Brooklyn that I could sell to you for a great price.

41 posted on 12/03/2007 12:59:02 AM PST by trumandogz (Hunter Thompson 2008)
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To: trumandogz
1. ANWR

2. 40 years.

Long enough to start synthesizing (Fischer-Troupe)
our own fuel using nuclear power.

Are you aware that the Air Force is already bringing large
plants on line to produce JP8-100 jet fuel?

42 posted on 12/03/2007 1:03:38 AM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: DaveTesla
"Why else do you think they declared a frozen wasteland where it is dark six months of the year a nature preserve. Since when is ice considered nature?

Even the caribou only visit the place for a few days a year...

It's all a UN world governance (by unelected liberal elitists) scheme. Most of Canada should be declared a "nature preserve" if we were to apply that logic equally everywhere. The enviro wacko's (like Jane Goodall who failed to get knocked up by a monkey after trying for 35 years) at the UN want to keep all the stinky bad humans huddled into little mud huts and away from all the animals and pretty flowers.

43 posted on 12/03/2007 1:03:44 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary
let me know where you can buy solar panels with a 25 year warranty. I'll go buy some to replace my dead ones.

American Solar Electric

SunPower Solar Systems SunPower Solar Panels come with a 25 year warranty on the power production of their panels. Because there are no moving parts, the only wear-and-tear these systems see if from the sun beating on them year after year. This is factored into the 25-year warranty, which states that by the end of the twelfth year, the panels should still be producing at 90% of their initial capacity, and that by the end of the 25th year, they should still be producing at 80% of their rated power.

Sharp Solar Systems: Sharp Solar Panels come with a 25 year warranty on the power production of their panels. Because there are no moving parts, the only wear-and-tear these systems see if from the sun beating on them year after year. This is factored into the 25-year warranty, which states that by the end of the twelfth year, the panels should still be producing at 90% of their initial capacity, and that by the end of the 25th year, they should still be producing at 80% of their rated power.

Regards

44 posted on 12/03/2007 1:05:14 AM PST by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment.. (A "Concerned Citizen".)
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To: trumandogz
What’s so funny?

Canada is already the biggest importer of oil into the U.S.

You don't think Putin laid claim to the north pole for nothing do you?

45 posted on 12/03/2007 1:06:58 AM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: DaveTesla

And how would one go about getting ANWR to produce 3.6 million barrels per day?


46 posted on 12/03/2007 1:07:13 AM PST by trumandogz (Hunter Thompson 2008)
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To: trumandogz
"ROFLMAO! But, if you are interested, I do have a bridge in Brooklyn that I could sell to you for a great price."

There are enough drill sites that have proved it many times over.

But your perfectly welcome to think dinosaurs (500 billion per saudi oil field) fell into a 10 mile deep holes that then closed up and turned into oil, even though petroleum has no biological markers whatsoever. I guess they all just magically vanished from some mysterious process. And why not, anything can happen if you give it a billions of years. And you would be in the majority who believe that baseless 200 year old theory. Or you can enlighten yourself and discover the truth.

47 posted on 12/03/2007 1:10:40 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: ARE SOLE
"only wear-and-tear these systems see if from the sun beating on them year after year<"/p>

U.V. kills them in five to seven years.

I know. I have worked withe since the days of Arco Solar
in Camirillo Ca.

30 years and barely any progress.

48 posted on 12/03/2007 1:11:36 AM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: DaveTesla

Hey Zac. what up? That’s not what you said in post 37 homeboy.

Regards


49 posted on 12/03/2007 1:15:13 AM PST by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment.. (A "Concerned Citizen".)
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To: ARE SOLE

Excuse me, Dave Tesla. I got misdirected amigo.

Regards


50 posted on 12/03/2007 1:16:40 AM PST by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment.. (A "Concerned Citizen".)
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