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Ramos and Compean - Courthouse Report from Joe Loya
12/03/2007

Posted on 12/03/2007 5:48:56 PM PST by Ladycalif

Joe Loya reported the following from the 5th Circuit Courthouse, New Orleans, Ramos and Compean Hearing

Before three federal judges:

Ramos and Compean's attorney was allowed to speak for one half hour, no interruptions

The prosecuting attorney was interrupted "every three minutes" by all three judges. "The attorney could barely complete sentences without the judges firing away at him."

The judges were familiar, in depth, with the case

They grilled the prosecuting attorney relentlessly on the following:

Why did the government allow Davila to lie under oath Why did the government grant this special immunity Why did the government prosecute law enforcement officers use of a gun using a law designed for criminals Why did the government seal information

Apparently, the judges were merciless on the prosecuting attorney

Johnny Sutton DASHED out of the courtroom - avoiding all reporters

Joe Loya said there will be coverage on Lou Dobbs, Fox 11 did interviews, as well as America's Most Wanted


TOPICS: US: Arizona; US: California; US: Texas; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: aliens; borderagents; compean; immigrantlist; immigration; ramos; sutton
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1 posted on 12/03/2007 5:48:58 PM PST by Ladycalif
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To: Ladycalif

Why am I suddenly envisioning cheap late-night commercials for the law firm of Sutton and Nifong?


2 posted on 12/03/2007 5:50:35 PM PST by JennysCool (Don't taze me, Bro!)
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To: Ladycalif

sounds good for Ramos and Compean .. they should be home next week. Then sue the $(@&#@ out of the govt.


3 posted on 12/03/2007 5:51:30 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: Ajnin; abner; AndrewC; Arizona Carolyn; Brad's Gramma; Brytani; calex59; Calpernia; CAluvdubya; ...

Another one—with pics! Thanks Ladycalif!

RAMOS/COMPEAN Ping
Please freepmail me if you want on or off this list.


Prior threads:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1934018/posts
Judge says prosecutors may have overreacted in Border Patrol case (Ramos/Compean Appeal)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1934194/posts
Feds admit smuggler lied in Ramos-Compean case


4 posted on 12/03/2007 5:52:01 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Ladycalif

Bush should short circuit this whole thing and grant them a pardon.


5 posted on 12/03/2007 5:52:10 PM PST by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: EDINVA

One can hope.


6 posted on 12/03/2007 5:52:12 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck is the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aren't going.)
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To: Ladycalif

It’s going to be ugly for those that have been supporting this prosecution and the penalty administered when Bush is basically forced to release these two, many years before their sentences will be completed.

You’ll note as they rush to convince all this trial and prosecution for shooting a professional drug smuggler were totally legitimate, and just, most supporting this Sutton miscarriage of justice are covering their butts by adding, they too hope they are released.

Even they know what’s coming, and understand these two were made political pawns in an effort to set an example...So Bush could send his “hands off illegals” to the border patrol.

At the same time these two shot a professional drug smuggler, Bush was up in the White House attempting to legalize millions of these criminals.

The entire prosecution, trial, and sentences were an abomination of justice, and this is why they’ll both be released within 1 year.

They will never serve these dictator like sentences in completion, and the person that was in the position to aid and abet this violent invasion, actually publicly encouraging it, should be held directly responsible.


7 posted on 12/03/2007 5:52:16 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: Ladycalif

I am encouraged. But I will feel better when these two good men are home with their families.


8 posted on 12/03/2007 5:52:47 PM PST by olezip
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To: Ladycalif

Ramos-Compean
Home for Christmas Prayers
BumP


9 posted on 12/03/2007 5:53:14 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: pissant
Bush should short circuit this whole thing and grant them a pardon.

I hope not. I want an investigation, and I want heads to roll in a general housecleaning within upper echelon BP management.

10 posted on 12/03/2007 5:53:44 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck is the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aren't going.)
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To: Ladycalif

Sutton you useless POS! The jig is up!


11 posted on 12/03/2007 5:54:37 PM PST by dennisw (Islam - "a transnational association of dangerous lunatics")
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To: MrEdd

There is a chance they could lose this appeal. I don’t want to risk it. Instead, let them sue the gov’t after they are free men.


12 posted on 12/03/2007 5:55:46 PM PST by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: Ladycalif; SwinneySwitch; tennteacher; lonewacko_dot_com; radar101; ruination; gubamyster; Czar; ...

ramos and compean update


13 posted on 12/03/2007 5:56:46 PM PST by Ladycalif (Free The Texas 3 - Ramos, Compean and Hernandez)
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To: NormsRevenge

Another bttt for Ramos-Compean.


14 posted on 12/03/2007 5:56:57 PM PST by abigailsmybaby (I was born with nothing. So far I have most of it left.)
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To: Ladycalif

Why? Because the President of Mexico asked Bush to rig this case to get his pet drug smuggler off, and Bush evidently agreed to see that it was done.


15 posted on 12/03/2007 5:57:04 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: calcowgirl

Thanks for that.


16 posted on 12/03/2007 5:57:20 PM PST by Ladycalif (Free The Texas 3 - Ramos, Compean and Hernandez)
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To: pissant

I think it would be way better for the convictions to be overturned. Sho’ ‘nuff “not guilty” beats “guilty but pardoned” in my book.


17 posted on 12/03/2007 5:57:45 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Ladycalif
Ramos and Compean, just the first of the globalists political prisoners!
18 posted on 12/03/2007 5:59:44 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Rudy,Romney,McCain, Huckabee will send a self-abused stomped elephant to the DRNC.)
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To: pissant

“Bush should short circuit this whole thing and grant them a pardon.”

I expect he’d only do that if this starts reflecting poorly on him, i.e., if the dots start connecting from Jorge’s good buddy Johnny Sutton back to Jorge.


19 posted on 12/03/2007 6:00:21 PM PST by Will88
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To: NormsRevenge

Amen to that.

“I’ve got a River of life flowing out of me.
Makes the lame to walk and the blind to see.
Opens prison door sets the captives free.
I’ve got a river of life flowing out of me.”


20 posted on 12/03/2007 6:00:33 PM PST by Ladycalif (Free The Texas 3 - Ramos, Compean and Hernandez)
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To: JennysCool
Not Nifong. He has been disbarred. IIRC.

Johnny Cochran? Wait, he’s dead.

Maybe John Edwards, after he loses?

21 posted on 12/03/2007 6:03:03 PM PST by JRochelle (Thanks to RomneyCare, abortions in MA are at the reduced price of only $50.00!)
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To: pissant
Bush should short circuit this whole thing and grant them a pardon.

No, they need to be exonerated so they can sue for millions and hopefully go after Sutton personally as well. They did nothing wrong and should become VERY rich from this.

They should also get their jobs back with full back pay.

22 posted on 12/03/2007 6:03:21 PM PST by SUSSA
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To: Mad Dawg

Then he should commute the sentences, and let the appeal continue to clear their good names.


23 posted on 12/03/2007 6:04:17 PM PST by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: SUSSA

And back pay.


24 posted on 12/03/2007 6:04:42 PM PST by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: CharlesWayneCT; Lunatic Fringe

Ping.


25 posted on 12/03/2007 6:05:21 PM PST by Eaker (If illegal immigrants were so great for an economy; Mexico would be building a wall to keep them in)
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To: calcowgirl

Trace Adkins is talking about Ramos and Compean on Glenn Beck -even wrote about them in his book.


26 posted on 12/03/2007 6:06:10 PM PST by Ladycalif (Free The Texas 3 - Ramos, Compean and Hernandez)
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To: calcowgirl
Thanks for the ping. So far, all the talk radio hosts and tv hosts I've heard today are as encouraged as an article I read earlier at WND! Roger Hedgecock was very encouraged!

Woo-hoo for something good for Ramos and Compean!

27 posted on 12/03/2007 6:07:01 PM PST by CAluvdubya (DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: Eaker

No thanks. I’m trying to let you guys have your fun.


28 posted on 12/03/2007 6:07:35 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT (The Swiss Ninja.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Just wanted to keep you up to speed.


29 posted on 12/03/2007 6:10:20 PM PST by Eaker (If illegal immigrants were so great for an economy; Mexico would be building a wall to keep them in)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

This thread ain’t about fun nor is the appeals process.. It’s about justice, something we should all be in favor of and seek to have done.


30 posted on 12/03/2007 6:11:36 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: Ladycalif

This is good. Please let the border agents go home.


31 posted on 12/03/2007 6:13:01 PM PST by freekitty ((May the eagles long fly our beautiful and free American sky.))
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To: CharlesWayneCT

You need a better BS detector. Johny Sutton was rotten from the get go. I’m not going to rub it in beyond that-— You were too trusting of our Feds on the Border


32 posted on 12/03/2007 6:23:21 PM PST by dennisw (Islam - "a transnational association of dangerous lunatics")
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To: Ladycalif

The best outcome for this outrageous case would be a “not guilty” verdict from the appeals court with no followup by the prosecutor.

Our current border patrol agents need encouragement and strong assurance they will not end up like Ramos and Compean for faithfully doing their job.


33 posted on 12/03/2007 6:25:03 PM PST by Liberty Wins (Not only does Fred Thompson cut taxes, he cuts tax collectors.)
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To: pissant

No! As much as I want them out of jail tomorrow, these two deserve better than a conviction on their records. They deserver exoneration, reinstatement, reimbursement of expenses and restitution.

Then we can go after Sutton.


34 posted on 12/03/2007 6:32:19 PM PST by MS from the OC
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To: pissant

Hell They should Sue Bush!
He is to Blame with these stupid appointments!
There is more blame for Homeland Security from what I hear...Laura Ingrahm said as much.
Johnny Sutton is just a dupe and it is realy the Open border
leftists within Homeland Security that pushed this Prosicution through.


35 posted on 12/03/2007 6:36:59 PM PST by LtKerst (Lt Kerst)
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To: Ladycalif
Johnny Sutton DASHED out of the courtroom - avoiding all reporters

I would have liked to see the look on his face once the appellate judges started tearing his case to pieces and he realized that his gig is up.

36 posted on 12/03/2007 6:38:31 PM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (“We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!” --Duncan Hunter)
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To: Ladycalif

No, Thank YOU! :-)


37 posted on 12/03/2007 6:39:47 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: pissant

works for me.


38 posted on 12/03/2007 6:40:00 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: pissant

Not going to happen. Open borders is a Bush priority.


39 posted on 12/03/2007 6:40:37 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Illegal Immigration, a Clear and Present Danger.)
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To: pissant
Then he should commute the sentences, and let the appeal continue to clear their good names.

Bump to that!

40 posted on 12/03/2007 6:40:53 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

Crossing fingers on this...


41 posted on 12/03/2007 6:42:44 PM PST by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: Ladycalif

I always forget to tune into Glenn Beck—I just turned it on but I think I’m too late. I missed his radio show today—I understand he had a woman on reporting on first hand accounts from the court proceedings (I think it was Tara Setmeyer, Rohrabacher’s spokesperson). I wish I could have heard that.


42 posted on 12/03/2007 6:44:35 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: CAluvdubya
Woo-hoo for something good for Ramos and Compean!

'Bout time! :-)

43 posted on 12/03/2007 6:45:19 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: NormsRevenge
This thread ain’t about fun nor is the appeals process.. It’s about justice, something we should all be in favor of and seek to have done.

BUMP to that!

44 posted on 12/03/2007 6:46:59 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: EDINVA; Ladycalif
sounds good for Ramos and Compean .. they should be home next week.

On the contrary, they will be in extreme, increasing danger in prison until they are actually out...

45 posted on 12/03/2007 6:48:33 PM PST by tarheelswamprat
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To: JennysCool
Why am I suddenly envisioning cheap late-night commercials for the law firm of Sutton and Nifong?

LOL! Hopefully, they could run an internet "we're not lawyers any more but" firm from behind bars.

46 posted on 12/03/2007 6:52:05 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Ladycalif

Trace ought to write a song about them. He could do it justice.....maybe the only justice they’ll get.


47 posted on 12/03/2007 6:53:17 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: dennisw

There will always be jackboot lickers, who would defend any tyrant and blame any victim.


48 posted on 12/03/2007 6:54:05 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: pissant
Bush should short circuit this whole thing and grant them a pardon.

If these kinds of developments continue, the judge(s) may overturn the verdict. That would be better than a pardon. Of course, that would reflect poorly on GW, on Alberto G, and on US Atty Sutton.
49 posted on 12/03/2007 6:54:11 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: calcowgirl

Sara Carter on the Glenn Beck Radio Show LIVE from the 5th Circuit Court, New Orleans:

From the courtroom, Sara Carter said:

“Mr. Sutton was at the court. He sat in the courtroom as a spectator. It was tense.”

“Judges were visibly perplexed by why the government prosecuted these agents,” Sara Carter said.

Appellate defender “TORE SUTTON APART” according to Sara Carter.

Three judges asked questions intensely. Very animated. The challenges to government were very strong

One of the judges said they think there was an overreaction.

Based on the line of questionings, Sara Carter thought it went really well.

The judges went to the immunity agreement - the heart of the case. The type of immunity was called into question - as this limited the defense’s questioning ability. Seemed to bother the judges, according to Sara Carter

She said when the judges hit the gavel, Sutton “slithered out of the courtroom.”

The judges can take up to 60 days to rule.


50 posted on 12/03/2007 6:56:33 PM PST by Ladycalif (Free The Texas 3 - Ramos, Compean and Hernandez)
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