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How Paul Could Change Race
WSJ ^ | Dec. 04, 2007 | By SUSAN DAVIS

Posted on 12/03/2007 8:01:26 PM PST by jdm

Manchester, N.H. -- After shocking the Republican Party establishment with a surge in online support, Rep. Ron Paul is trying to translate his Internet revolution into real votes, particularly in New Hampshire.

The Texan's latest campaign swing through the early-primary state shows it is going to be a tough climb -- though he could have an impact on the race for the Republican presidential nomination.

"As a realist and as an experienced political person, I know that it's extremely unlikely he is going to get the nomination," says Keith Murphy, who runs an unofficial Paul campaign headquarters at his Elm Street bar. "Having said that, if he can win in any state in the nation, it's New Hampshire."

New Hampshire seems a natural fit for Mr. Paul, whose libertarian strain of Republicanism, fiscal conservatism, opposition to the war, and pro-gun record play best here. He also boasts spirited grass-roots activism and a healthy campaign bank account that, spent wisely, could potentially shake up the Jan. 8 primary.

This past Saturday evening, as Mr. Paul arrived at Murphy's Tap Room, the supporters erupted in a chant: "What do we want? Liberty!" Murphy's provides free wireless Internet access, an indispensable tool for a campaign largely organized on the Web.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: nutburger; ronpaul; thorazine
"As a realist and as an experienced political person, I know that it's extremely unlikely he is going to get the nomination," says Keith Murphy, who runs an unofficial Paul campaign headquarters at his Elm Street bar.

Interesting.

1 posted on 12/03/2007 8:01:28 PM PST by jdm
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To: jdm

Paul is not in the race to win the GOP nomination. He is in the race to bleed off as many GOP votes as possible in November. (See: Ross Perot)


2 posted on 12/03/2007 8:03:02 PM PST by Hoodat (satan always overplays his hand)
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To: jdm

Just an honest question - why does everyone hate him so much? I’m suspicious of him due to his supporters, which seem to be liberals and conspiracy “loosechange” types. I just never saw that he cam out and blatantly said we deserved 9-11, but i haven’t researched him that closely - just started a new job...


3 posted on 12/03/2007 8:06:07 PM PST by The Worthless Miracle (No one can steal your inner worth if they don't know where to look for it.)
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To: The Worthless Miracle

He is a defeatist who wants to surrender to the terrorist in Iraq.


4 posted on 12/03/2007 8:07:44 PM PST by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: The Worthless Miracle

I am going to write this slowly, just because a person does not agree with a candidate policy statements does not mean they hate them.
It is a cute strategy frequently used on FR but it is juvenile.
The 9-11 statement was said in one of the debates.


5 posted on 12/03/2007 8:10:24 PM PST by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: jdm

In 6 months Paul will be nothing but the answer to a trivia question.


6 posted on 12/03/2007 8:12:24 PM PST by joebuck
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To: joebuck; Petronski; Allegra
In 6 months Paul will be nothing but the answer to a trivia question.

From your lips to God’s ears.

7 posted on 12/03/2007 8:14:49 PM PST by dighton
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To: dighton

I thought the title meant L.Ron wanted to become a brutha.


8 posted on 12/03/2007 8:20:54 PM PST by Petronski (Reject the liberal superfecta: huckabee, romney, giuliani, mccain)
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To: jdm
You sure its a bar. More likely and opium den. Anyone who supports Ron Paul has to be smoking rope.
9 posted on 12/03/2007 8:20:55 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: joebuck

Oh man you mean we have to wait six months.


10 posted on 12/03/2007 8:31:21 PM PST by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: The Worthless Miracle

He wants to surrender to al Qaeda and leave them alone worldwide, so they grow in strength and numbers and attack our allies around the world, until they come here again and kill 10 times more than on 9/11. Ron Paul would put us all in danger from al Qaeda with his cowardice and defeatist attitude.


11 posted on 12/03/2007 8:35:00 PM PST by jrooney (Ron Paul makes Jimmy Carter look tough and Dennis Kucinich look sane.)
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To: jdm
How Paul Could Change Race

Been done. Hasn't this chick read "Black Like Me"?

12 posted on 12/03/2007 8:35:08 PM PST by Hunton Peck (Rudy, Mitt 'n' Mikey: With "conservatives" like these, who needs liberals?)
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To: jdm
How Paul can change race

..he could share a space ship with Kucinich

13 posted on 12/03/2007 8:45:49 PM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Doogle
..he could share a space ship with Kucinich

LOL! He could also change race by putting on blackface. OTOH, a little brown shoe polish might be more appropriate.

14 posted on 12/03/2007 8:52:41 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: jdm
New Hampshire seems a natural fit for Mr. Paul, whose libertarian strain of Republicanism, fiscal conservatism, opposition to the war, and pro-gun record play best here because one doesn't have to live there to vote so "Paulites" everywhere will emerge from their basements and head to the polls.
15 posted on 12/03/2007 8:54:56 PM PST by Mygirlsmom (I think Uncle Sam is prepping for a sex change. He's acting more like my mother every day.)
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To: jdm
Ron Paul is trying to translate his Internet revolution into real votes

It worked so well for Howard Dean.

16 posted on 12/03/2007 8:58:28 PM PST by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: jdm
How Paul Could Change Race

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Show tunes?

17 posted on 12/03/2007 9:06:05 PM PST by RoadKingSE (How do you know that that light at the end of the tunnel isn't a muzzle flash?)
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To: joebuck
"In 6 months Paul will be nothing but the answer to a trivia question. "

In 6 months Paul will still be a US Congressman (same as Duncan Hunter).

18 posted on 12/03/2007 9:40:02 PM PST by matthew fuller (Yo, First Dude- Got your "legacy"- Bush's Border Baby Boomers.)
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To: Hoodat

Yeah, I agree he is there to bleed voters off of Conservatives. But I suspect much of that surprising financial largesse he is receiving comes from Democrats.


19 posted on 12/03/2007 9:43:09 PM PST by SatinDoll
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To: jdm
"What do we want? Liberty!"

If they consider a descent into madness "Liberty", then their "Liberty" will be its own reward.

20 posted on 12/03/2007 10:02:02 PM PST by pawdoggie
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To: jrooney

Hey, but RP thinks ALQda is afraid of submarines.


21 posted on 12/03/2007 11:32:25 PM PST by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: The Worthless Miracle

We hate him because of too many wacko ideas (admittedly along with some good ones) and too many ties to wackos, which could result in alienation of voters for the GOP as a whole. In addition, he will pull many less informed libertarian leaning primary voters, effectively Ross Perotting the primaries and guaranteeing a RINO candidate wins.


22 posted on 12/04/2007 5:51:17 AM PST by piytar
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To: matthew fuller
Duncan Hunter will not be seeking re-election. I understand his son is running for that seat. For that matter, Tom Tancredo is retiring as well. I understand that Ron Paul has an opponent who could pose a strong challenge.
23 posted on 12/04/2007 5:57:00 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: piytar

Paul is not going to run as an independent in the general, so his running in the primaries is exactly what primaries are all about. People with differing opinions hashing it out.
I even think it’s great he’s getting support from outside the party.

Why? It means that there is NO democratic candidate these people can see fit to support. Do you think they’re going to turn around and vote Hillary? NO.
Instead, we have an audience of people who would normally never even listen to republican ideas drawn to a republican candidate. So what if it’s based on one issue? On most other issues he is a staunch right winger...

We should all be happy they are sending their money to him.


24 posted on 12/04/2007 8:11:58 AM PST by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: Wallace T.

The time frame under discussion is 6 months (from now, I assume) meaning May 3, 2008. My assumptions are sometimes wrong ;)


25 posted on 12/04/2007 8:45:09 AM PST by matthew fuller (Yo, First Dude- Got your "legacy"- Bush's Border Baby Boomers.)
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To: traviskicks; MinnesotaLibertarian; Extremely Extreme Extremist

IMHO, if the sub-prime mortgage mess becomes a major crisis, the Ron Paul candidacy would be a beneficiary.


26 posted on 12/04/2007 6:17:16 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (You can't be serious about national security unless you're serious about border security)
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To: Hoodat

How exactly is he going to bleed off GOP votes in November by running in the GOP primary now?


27 posted on 12/04/2007 6:41:04 PM PST by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian

Key phrase: in November.

‘In November’ does not equate to ‘now’.


28 posted on 12/04/2007 8:30:46 PM PST by Hoodat (satan always overplays his hand)
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To: Hoodat

But now is when he’s running - he’s only running in November if he wins the GOP nomination.


29 posted on 12/05/2007 8:29:11 AM PST by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian

He’ll be running as an Independent come November.


30 posted on 12/05/2007 9:18:14 AM PST by Hoodat (satan always overplays his hand)
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian
How exactly is he going to bleed off GOP votes in November by running in the GOP primary now?

Maybe he's inadvertently softening up the "soft" Republicans and conservative leaning independents for a run by Bloomberg or some other nanny state politican.

Theres no question Paul's being propped up financially by Soros / Move on . org sympathisers, et al. There probably a reason for that.

31 posted on 12/05/2007 9:18:59 AM PST by Nonstatist
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian

Buchanan’s primary run in ‘92 was a necessary precursor to Perot’s run 2 months later. Thats how the MSM/liberal interest groups “work” the system. Divide and conquer


32 posted on 12/05/2007 9:22:07 AM PST by Nonstatist
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To: jdm; All

I live in NH and the people I talk to think his stance on the Iraq war is pathetic.

They may like his position on the WOD because this state is filled with potheads.


33 posted on 12/05/2007 9:22:23 AM PST by april15Bendovr
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To: Nonstatist
Maybe he's inadvertently softening up the "soft" Republicans and conservative leaning independents for a run by Bloomberg or some other nanny state politican.

That wouldn't make a whole lot of sense, since Ron Paul is the furthest thing from a nanny state politician possible.

Theres no question Paul's being propped up financially by Soros / Move on . org sympathisers, et al. There probably a reason for that.

Who says there's no question? I myself have donated, as have many others I know, without reimbursement from Soros or anyone else. That baseless rumor has been floating around to try and smear Dr. Paul, but the fact is he has received many small donations from a large group of people. How exactly could Soros have anything to do with that?
34 posted on 12/05/2007 9:25:28 AM PST by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: Hoodat
He’ll be running as an Independent come November.

He claims he won't be, but it wouldn't exactly be shocking if he went back on his word.

35 posted on 12/05/2007 9:28:10 AM PST by Mr. Mojo (My other Telecaster is a Thinline)
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian
he has received many small donations from a large group of people

Mostly because of his surrender stand on the War. Are you denying that? Read the sympathetic posts on the lefty blog sites and check out the comments on his website and elsewhere. Soros directly subsidizes Move on. Org and Daily Kos and they got plenty of money, as do their "supporters".

You are deluded if you think its because he's for lower taxes or abolishing the Dept of Commerce.. And, BTW, Buchanan was at least 150 dgrees away from Perot but both signified disaffection with the reigning "Bush" , and the first clearly led the way to the second, IMO.. You're just a dupe if you can't see that possibility.

36 posted on 12/05/2007 9:47:15 AM PST by Nonstatist
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To: The Worthless Miracle
Just an honest question - why does everyone hate him so much?

I don't hate him, but I sure would never vote for him. His absolutely looney positions on a couple of pretty key issues override any valid positions he may hold.

37 posted on 12/05/2007 9:55:04 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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