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Mom: 'Carol Sue Would Be Alive Today' If Not for Huckabee
ABC News ^ | December 04, 2007 | Brian Ross and Anna Schecter

Posted on 12/04/2007 4:18:06 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

A Missouri mother says she will do "whatever it takes" to stop former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee from becoming president, because he freed the man who went on to rape and murder her daughter, Carol Sue Shields (pictured).

"I can't imagine anybody wanting somebody like that running the country," Lois Davidson of Adrian, Mo., told the Blotter on ABCNews.com.

Wayne Dumond was initially sentenced to life plus 25 years for raping a 17-year-old Arkansas high school cheerleader. In 1999, a parole board voted to free Dumond, after then-Gov. Mike Huckabee announced his desire to see him released.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: carolsue; carolsueshields; election; electionpresident; elections; gop; huckabee; mikehuckabee; murder; parole; rape; republicans; shields; waynedumond; williehorton
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Ouch!!
1 posted on 12/04/2007 4:18:07 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I'll say.

THAT's gonna' raise a welt!

2 posted on 12/04/2007 4:20:00 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (McCain? Giuliani? Huckabee? Mitt? All UNACCEPTABLE on Illegal Immigration as Sellouts or Newcomers)
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Just think: Huckabee wants to let millions of other criminals into our country through open borders!


3 posted on 12/04/2007 4:20:08 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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But shouldn’t the “Huckster” be compassionate on behalf of society and let the rapist rape more women? I mean, the guy can’t help it if he needs to rape, right? “Huckster” was only trying to help.

Another “well-intensioned” liberal doing something totally stupid who won’t be held accountable for his actions.

Idiot.

4 posted on 12/04/2007 4:21:25 PM PST by ConservativeMind
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Don't look now, but you've been dukakised!

5 posted on 12/04/2007 4:21:38 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (hillary clinton is vladimir putin in drag.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hmmm. I didn’t know Huckabee had a Willie Horton problem. Actually worse than Willie, because Huck wanted this specific guy released.


6 posted on 12/04/2007 4:22:18 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I wasn’t a Huckabee fan anyway, but if I had been, this would have changed my mind. No conservative has trouble understanding that violent criminals should be locked up for good.


7 posted on 12/04/2007 4:22:40 PM PST by American Quilter (The urge to save humanity is nearly always a cover for the urge to rule. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
He's toast.

I didn't like him anyway.

8 posted on 12/04/2007 4:24:55 PM PST by fweingart (Life's a bitch. So why vote for one?)
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To: fweingart

It’s that Arkansas thing


9 posted on 12/04/2007 4:26:04 PM PST by RS_Rider
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To: fweingart

“He’s toast.”

I sure hope you are correct.


10 posted on 12/04/2007 4:27:37 PM PST by devere
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Willie Horton political ad 1988
11 posted on 12/04/2007 4:28:39 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: colorado tanker

First the news story then the ads later, if he is still around.


12 posted on 12/04/2007 4:31:26 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: colorado tanker

Otherwise known here as the “Dear Wayne” fiasco.


13 posted on 12/04/2007 4:31:52 PM PST by Uncle Ivan (FredOn: Apply Directly to the White House)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I place this guy HUCKABEE firmly in the camp of "Compassionate Conservatives".

Yuck!

You know the other two famous ones.

George W. Bush.

Lindsay Graham.

All three of these guys have said people opposing illegal immigration are either cold hearted, racists or vigilantes.

We want the Law adhered to, and we want our COUNTRY and our COMMUNITIES BACK!!

Let us show them what we think about THAT at the ballot box!!

14 posted on 12/04/2007 4:31:53 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (McCain? Giuliani? Huckabee? Mitt? All UNACCEPTABLE on Illegal Immigration as Sellouts or Newcomers)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

One more instance of his (church) liberal tendencies. When you also factor in his nutty belief that the IRS can be done away with in favor of a 23% national sales tax on ALL goods and services, well, you get the point.


15 posted on 12/04/2007 4:34:58 PM PST by trane250
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He’s done. Well if ABC runs it every day for the next week he’s done...

They may wait until he’s goes a little higher in the poles.


16 posted on 12/04/2007 4:35:03 PM PST by e_castillo
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"...Gov. Mike Huckabee announced his desire to see him released..."

What was his reasoning for announcing that desire? The article states the convict was already "...sentenced to life plus 25 years for raping a 17-year-old...". I don't get it!!!

17 posted on 12/04/2007 4:37:45 PM PST by ~Kim4VRWC's~ (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The DNA evidence didn’t match Wayne DuMond in the first crime.
He was a decorated Vietnam vet with a family and claimed he was innocent. He was convicted solely on the eyewitness testimony of the victim. Sounds like all the guys who got out of jail free on the Innocence Project.

He didn’t fair too well with the local sheriff.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/sexual_assault/severed_penis/7.html


18 posted on 12/04/2007 4:39:57 PM PST by RGSpincich
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

As I have mentioned before around here....as a second tier candidate, no one was seriously looking at him. Now that he has moved up, he will come under the same scrutiny as the other leaders.

He has some awful baggage.

I don’t expect his numbers to stay high.


19 posted on 12/04/2007 4:43:36 PM PST by TheLion (How about "Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement," for a change)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

it’s odd that this only happens with republican candidates,

not democrap candidates.


20 posted on 12/04/2007 4:45:10 PM PST by ken21 ( people die + you never hear from them again.)
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To: ken21

“it’s odd that this only happens with republican candidates,
not democrap candidates.”

Are you too young to remember Michael Dukakis and Willie Horton?


21 posted on 12/04/2007 4:47:50 PM PST by devere
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To: devere

ooops.

no.

but, series, i want some recent donkey do-do.

thanks.


22 posted on 12/04/2007 4:49:41 PM PST by ken21 ( people die + you never hear from them again.)
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To: colorado tanker

Yes, considerably worse that the Willie Horton incident.


23 posted on 12/04/2007 4:51:32 PM PST by Dante3
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To: trane250

Yeah, how could we ever go on without the IRS! (/sarc)


24 posted on 12/04/2007 4:53:27 PM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So, this is from ABC news....

Has the MSM decided to turn against Huckabee now that he’s inching forward.

I hope so,he’s a disaster as a candidate.


25 posted on 12/04/2007 4:55:53 PM PST by altura (Go, Fred!)
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To: altura

He would split the GOP.


26 posted on 12/04/2007 4:56:46 PM PST by Dante3
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To: AmericanInTokyo

No way will he get nominated now. This is beyond bad press.


27 posted on 12/04/2007 5:00:05 PM PST by Orange1998
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Who would want to put a boot heel in the face of a rapist. Do you feel good huck?
28 posted on 12/04/2007 5:01:24 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Didn’t he just say to close down Gitmo because it creates a bad image of the USA?


29 posted on 12/04/2007 5:01:27 PM PST by SkyDancer ("There is no distinctly Native American criminal class...save Congress - Mark Twain")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All
Hey FReeper FRiends-

A lot of us are ready to pounce on this case as a way of trasing the huckster Huckabee. But I advise careful review of the entire history of the Wayne DuMond case - it is one that has been extensively discussed on FR in the past.

To summarize, a clinton relative accused DuMond of rape - and the DNA evidence apparently didn't match. Clinton, while Arkansas Governor, refused to pardon him. However, setting aside the potential false rape accusation in this case, DuMond also had a well established violent past.

I read this as a situation were a bad man was falsely accused of one particular crime. Do you try to right things w.r.t. the false crime? Or do you protect the public based on the perp's bad history? I think legally and morally you have to do the former, not the latter.

If you want to read the history of this guy on FR, check out this google search of Wayne Dumond on Free Republic.

30 posted on 12/04/2007 5:11:32 PM PST by Yossarian (Everyday, somewhere on the globe, somebody is pushing the frontier of stupidity...)
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To: SkyDancer

Yes, he did.


31 posted on 12/04/2007 5:15:48 PM PST by Dante3
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To: Yossarian

Governor Huckabee’s problem is that 99% of the country won’t do that sort of search. They will hear that he released a man, by name, and that man killed. It will not be easy to get past this, unless his followers are “mind numbed robots.”


32 posted on 12/04/2007 5:17:17 PM PST by Ingtar (The LDS problem that Romney is facing is not his religion, but his Lacking Decisive Stands.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Here is an interesting interview/story about Dumond:

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0110,harkavy,22841,1.html

33 posted on 12/04/2007 5:17:44 PM PST by Perchant
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well..so Huckabee should have kept th rapist on the payroll?


34 posted on 12/04/2007 5:38:14 PM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; spectre; SUSSA; dennisw

The Huckster stinks worse and worse, the closer you get to him.


35 posted on 12/04/2007 5:47:58 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Perchant

Doesn’t matter if there were legitimate questions regarding Dumond’s guilt in the first crime. It’s political now and all reason goes out the window.


36 posted on 12/04/2007 5:52:03 PM PST by RGSpincich
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Remember Willie Horton!

I keep hearing the sound of knives being sharpened in all directions, coming from various campaign headquarters.


37 posted on 12/04/2007 5:52:16 PM PST by Will88
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To: trane250
When you also factor in his nutty belief that the IRS can be done away with in favor of a 23% national sales tax on ALL goods and services

How much research have you done on the fairtax?? The only people I personally know, that think it is not a good idea are the ones that listen to what others have to say about it instead of doing their own reading... All it takes to get on board it read the book, pretty much common sense takes over from there

It is not his "nutty belief..." He is supporting a well researched plan to reform our tax system developed by the private sector... it actually takes the power away from the government, which is the main reason I don't ever see it making it into law. I believe it would make the US the Worlds economic leader again and bring back all the business that left the country to avoid our current tax system. It would also make foreign companies open shop here if they wanted to remain competitive in the US market. In the long haul it would fix the social security and medicare problems too if we can get a handle on government spending so Congress does not spend all the extra money rolling in.

All it would take to start a real tax revolt would be to end withholdings for federal taxes, social security and medicare and make everybody send the IRS a check for your total taxes due on April 15th... Do you look forward to April 15th?? Under the fairtax it would be just another spring day and I can guarantee you that Bill Gates would not be paying less in taxes than his secretary any more!

In case you want to do a little reading and your own here is a link for you

I think his support of the fairtax is the reason for his exploding poll numbers. This story will make me research the whole story a little deeper before casting my vote for him, but until hearing about this he had my vote in the primary... none of our candidates are all that I would like them to be and he supports the Fairtax when nobody else does, That said, I will support whoever gets the nomination though. I dont like his position on immigration, but I did not agree with Bush on his stance there either. Our state (Arizona) has taken the lead since the feds have not and as of Jan. 1 the employers will be harshly punished... many illegals have already went back home (or to some other liberal safe haven) All I know is that they are leaving on their own.
38 posted on 12/04/2007 5:54:56 PM PST by AzNASCARfan
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Although Huckabee would be my worst nightmare as President, the taint of Clinton is all over this Dumond thing from start to finish. I wouldn’t take any aspect of this thing for granted.
39 posted on 12/04/2007 6:13:27 PM PST by Perchant
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Huckabee wanted rapist set free; rapist then raped and murdered another woman; BUMP TO THE TOP!


40 posted on 12/04/2007 6:16:12 PM PST by Joya (May God rest your soul in peace, Sean Taylor. Heartfelt condolences to your loved ones.)
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I’m not a Huckleberry fan myself, but the only guy who never made a mistake isn’t running. I’m just planning to vote against Hillary. I don’t really care that much who her competition is, she’s the only candidate who inspires me.


41 posted on 12/04/2007 6:20:10 PM PST by KarinG1 (Opinions expressed in this post are my own and do not necessarily represent those of sane people.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This post needs more background. For example, it doesn't say when the rape occurred - I did some googling and found it occurred in 1984, 15 years before he was set free in 1999.

In 1992, former Lieutenant Governor Jim Guy Tucker reduced DuMond's sentence to 39 years, which made him eligible for parole, David Lieb said in an AP Online article. In 1996, Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee planned to release DuMond from prison based on a lack of sufficient DNA evidence related to the rape investigation. However, he "abandoned his plan" after a public outcry and denied DuMond clemency, Stearns said. In 1999, DuMond was released from prison on parole but his freedom was short-lived.
Source.

I'm not a big fan of Huckabee, but what is the average time served for a first offender rapist in Arkansas? If it's not more than 15 years, then it's no surprise he was released.

And here's an FR thread from 2005 when DuMond was found dead in prison.

42 posted on 12/04/2007 6:30:33 PM PST by jdm
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What about this?

"...in case those who were asking about gov huckabee earlier today are reading this --- huckabee felt really sorry for this pos and let him out on parole against all recommendations..."

43 posted on 12/04/2007 6:33:38 PM PST by ~Kim4VRWC's~ (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: RS_Rider

There’s more to that than a lot of folks know.

After that first Arkansas Bozo in the Oval Office, do we really want another?

I use the Bozo reference on purpose...President Bush the First called him that, IIRC.

Semper Fi,


44 posted on 12/04/2007 6:39:14 PM PST by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "P" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: jdm
Shortly after taking office in 1996, Gov. Mike Huckabee said he intended to reduce DuMond's sentence to time served - about 11 years at the time. The governor ended up rejecting DuMond's parole request, which would have freed DuMond without conditions. He signed the decision moments after the Arkansas parole board granted DuMond a parole on condition that another state take him.

I have a REAL problem with this. If Huckabee was so certain that Dumond needed a second chance, why did he export him to Missouri? Why did the people of Missouri need to take all the risk for Huckabee's gamble?

45 posted on 12/04/2007 6:42:49 PM PST by Egg ("...and everyone did what was right in his own eyes.")
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To: trane250

You’re already paying the equivalent of 23% tax, in hidden fees and taxes added onto all kinds of things.

Read the Fair Tax book. It is eye-opening.


46 posted on 12/04/2007 6:45:22 PM PST by SatinDoll
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To: AzNASCARfan; SatinDoll

Question. Who will collect the tax? The county tax office or the state revenue department? I know of businesses that collect state tax and don’t report most of it. How about when you hire a cleaning lady who wants to be paid in cash. Does she add tax to her bill? If you are hospitalized with a $50,000 bill does the hospital add an additional $12,500 services tax? Don’t forget that this 23% tax is on top of state and local sales taxes.

No this scheme is nutty. It won’t bring back industries that have shut down. Once the last manufacturer of a product has closed shop, that industry never comes back.

This scheme will merely hasten the day when our government declares itself bankrupt.


47 posted on 12/04/2007 9:34:39 PM PST by trane250
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To: trane250

Everybody that sells a good or service will collect the tax. There are already tax cheats and still probably will be, what can I say. The book said Dr visits would be taxed so I assume hospital stay would be too.

What you dont account for though is the 22% average embedded tax you already pay on everything you currently buy which the book explains way better than I can. The fairtax would eliminate the embedded taxes you already pay so goods and services will end up the same place they already are, since the fairtax is also going to be included in the price you see on the shelf there will be a minimal change.

The reason it would work is because it increases who is paying tax. Drug dealers, prostitutes, illegals, tourists etc. would all be footing the tax burden when they spent their money here.

Since there is no income tax on labor the cleaning lady probably would not be collecting tax the way I understand it. It eliminates everything except state and local taxes including individual income, payroll income, estate, gift, capitol gains, Alternative minimum tax, self employment and corportate

The current IRS system is the nutty scheme... you can take all my info to 20 different places and get 20 different results... then when the IRS says you underpaid by $200 10 years ago and now with penaties and interest you owe $26,000 well that is just INSANE!


48 posted on 12/04/2007 10:10:19 PM PST by AzNASCARfan
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To: Joya

BTTT


49 posted on 12/05/2007 5:46:22 AM PST by Joya (May God rest your soul in peace, Sean Taylor. Heartfelt condolences to your loved ones.)
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BTTT - Dumond case revisited - Huckabee's role in his freedom
50 posted on 12/05/2007 6:57:20 AM PST by OB1kNOb (Support Duncan Hunter for the 2008 GOP presidential nominee. He is THE true conservative candidate.)
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