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'Caesar's superglue' find
The Scotsman ^ | 05 Dec 2007 | The Scotsman

Posted on 12/04/2007 6:32:34 PM PST by BGHater

ARCHAEOLOGISTS in Germany have found a 2,000-year-old glue Roman warriors used to repair helmets, shields and the other accessories of battle.

"Caesar's superglue" - as it has been dubbed by workers at the Rhine State Museum in Bonn - was found on a helmet at a site near Xanthen on the Rhine River where Romans settled before Christ.

Frank Welker, a restorer at the museum, said: "We found the parade cavalry helmet had been repaired with an adhesive that was still doing its job.

"This is rightly called some kind of superglue because air, water and time have not diminished its bonding properties. We haven't mixed up a batch ourselves yet, but we can thoroughly reccommend it - it lasts, after all, for 2,000 years."

The adhesive was made from a mixture of bitumen, cattle fat and bark pitch.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: adhesive; ancientrome; archaeology; caesar; concrete; freepun; glue; godsgravesglyphs; pozzolana; romanempire; superglue
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I wonder if they had a battlefield glue like we used in Vietnam for wounds as well.
1 posted on 12/04/2007 6:32:36 PM PST by BGHater
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To: SunkenCiv

Glue ping.


2 posted on 12/04/2007 6:32:59 PM PST by BGHater (Lead. The MSG for the 21st Century.)
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To: BGHater

Furniture made in China sure could use that glue. Stuff tends to fall apart.


3 posted on 12/04/2007 6:35:48 PM PST by SatinDoll
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To: BGHater
“This is rightly called some kind of superglue because air, water and time have not diminished its bonding properties. We haven’t mixed up a batch ourselves yet, but we can thoroughly reccommend it - it lasts, after all, for 2,000 years.”

Who would have guessed that my wife's secret meatloaf recipe was handed down from the Romans?
4 posted on 12/04/2007 6:36:56 PM PST by crazyhorse691 (The faithful will keep their heads down, their powder dry and hammer at the enemies flanks.)
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To: BGHater
...at a site near Xanthen on the Rhine River where Romans settled before Christ.

I wasn't aware that Christ ever settled at a site near Xanthen on the Rhine.

5 posted on 12/04/2007 6:38:24 PM PST by lesser_satan (READ MY LIPS: NO NEW RINOS | FRED THOMPSON - DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: BGHater

Xanthan gum?


6 posted on 12/04/2007 6:39:24 PM PST by DeaconBenjamin
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To: BGHater

A certain irony, as I recall from the History Channel that one of the biggest problems with the Me-262 was the poor quality of German adhesives.


7 posted on 12/04/2007 6:42:16 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake but Accurate, Experts Say)
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To: BGHater

Ecclesiastes 1:9 … nothing new under the sun.


8 posted on 12/04/2007 6:44:50 PM PST by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: lesser_satan
I wasn't aware that Christ ever settled at a site near Xanthen on the Rhine.

It says it right there in black-and-white. "... where Romans settled before Christ." Must have got there only a few days prior! *snicker*

9 posted on 12/04/2007 6:51:34 PM PST by TexGuy
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To: BGHater

Gorilla Maximus.


10 posted on 12/04/2007 6:57:55 PM PST by traderrob6
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To: lesser_satan
I wasn't aware that Christ ever settled at a site near Xanthen on the Rhine.

Wonder if it is close to Xanten? Lots of Roman stuff there.

11 posted on 12/04/2007 7:02:06 PM PST by PAR35
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To: BGHater

Lamp oil being a pH germ killer was used in ancient times without knowing it killed germs because they didn’t know germs existed. Wounds healed and people lived when they used the lamp oil.


12 posted on 12/04/2007 7:03:05 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

That, and Honey worked wonders.


13 posted on 12/04/2007 7:04:18 PM PST by BGHater (Lead. The MSG for the 21st Century.)
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To: BGHater
The adhesive was made from a mixture of bitumen, cattle fat and bark pitch.

Facetiously, wait till we find out the Romans were making an
adhesive that was made of "Buckyballs" (those 60-carbon spheres).

OK, it probably doesn't make "Buckyballs"...but I suspect research
on this old glue is the start of a number of PhD theses!
14 posted on 12/04/2007 7:08:07 PM PST by VOA
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To: VOA

And they’ll be more useful than 99.99% of all Womyn’s Studies PhDs.


15 posted on 12/04/2007 7:12:39 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: BGHater

“a site near Xanthen on the Rhine River where Romans settled before Christ”

Christ had a place on the Rhine? The things you learn on FR.


16 posted on 12/04/2007 7:14:38 PM PST by toddlintown (Five bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss..)
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To: SatinDoll

Use some Gorilla glue...i like the stuff.


17 posted on 12/04/2007 7:18:05 PM PST by chasio649
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Use some Gorilla glue...i like the stuff.

It's okay for some applications but it turns yellow, and it expands horribly. Also, it does not hold porous things that are going to get wet--for instance, it will let go of wood if the wood gets wet, even briefly.

18 posted on 12/04/2007 7:24:55 PM PST by Fairview ( Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.)
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To: VOA
Well there would be a lot of carbon in the ingredients specified.

Romancrete is also quite strong, as strong or stronger than some modern forms of concrete.

19 posted on 12/04/2007 7:26:55 PM PST by ikka
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To: crazyhorse691

LOL!


20 posted on 12/04/2007 7:28:11 PM PST by skr (How majestic is Thy Name, O Lord, and how mighty are Thy Works!)
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To: BGHater
“I wonder if they had a battlefield glue like we used in Vietnam for wounds as well.’

I wouldn’t be surprised if they did. I watched a History channel show on Roman medicine. The emphasis was on battlefield medicine for the Legionaries. The level was astounding. They had surgical staples/clamps made from silver,sutures and primitive antibiotics. The knowledge of the healing process was amazing. At least one Roman doctor was exploring the possibility of eye surgery. In a time where the average age for a citizen was mid 40’s the Legionaries age was into the 60’s barring death or serious injury. Their diet was good and they did get lots of “exercise”

21 posted on 12/04/2007 7:28:15 PM PST by Polynikes (Hey. I got a question. How are you planning to get back down that hill?)
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To: BGHater
Frank Welker, a restorer at the museum...

And here I thought he only did cartoon voices.

22 posted on 12/04/2007 7:36:15 PM PST by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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Their diet was good and they did get lots of “exercise”

25 miles a day humping 70 pounds, then build a fortress before turning in.

Get up in the morning and do it again. After a few months of this, battle seems like a day off.

23 posted on 12/04/2007 7:39:22 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: ikka

“Romancrete is also quite strong, as strong or stronger than some modern
forms of concrete.”

(General info on one of the “rediscovered” Roman technologies)
I’m no engineer, but IIRC from some History Channel shows, the great
feat of the Romans was “hydraulic cement”, that could be used to
even make cast forms underwater.
I think one show mentioned that the mixing and using of this wonderful
material was lost for centuries...only recovered in modern times.
Like this new “Roman superglue”, some of the castings are still in
great shape even after a couple of millenia of weathering.
INCREDIBLE.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pozzolana
Finely ground and mixed with lime it creates a hydraulic cement and
can be used to make a strong mortar that will also set under water. It
transformed the possibilities for making concrete structures,
although it took the Romans some time to discover its full potential.
Typically it was mixed two-to-one with lime just prior to mixing with
water. The Roman port at Cosa was built of Pozzolana that was poured
underwater, apparently using a long tube to carefully lay it up without
allowing sea water to mix with it. The three piers are still visible today,
with the underwater portions in generally excellent condition after
2100 years.


24 posted on 12/04/2007 8:03:58 PM PST by VOA
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To: BGHater

Funny how so many people think that ancient or primitive means stupid.


25 posted on 12/04/2007 8:05:02 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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Ancient Roman customs included turning aged donkeys into glue, thus the Latin term for the adhesive was tackum democratis (literally "Democrats are Tacky") but more contemporaneously rendered as STUCK ON STUPID.






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26 posted on 12/04/2007 8:38:28 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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ping


27 posted on 12/04/2007 8:38:51 PM PST by IncPen (The Liberal's Reward is Self Disgust)
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To: BGHater

Oatmeal seems to be a good adhesive, especially if I don’t wash the bowl right away.


28 posted on 12/04/2007 8:40:47 PM PST by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

LOL!


29 posted on 12/04/2007 8:41:11 PM PST by Enterprise (Those who "betray us" also "Betray U.S." They're called DEMOCRATS!)
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“Hail Caesar and everything Sir!”
30 posted on 12/04/2007 8:44:51 PM PST by dighton
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"Facetiously, wait till we find out the Romans were making an adhesive that was made of "Buckyballs" (those 60-carbon spheres). "

Did you know that Richard Smalley died? What a shame, at 62.


31 posted on 12/04/2007 8:54:18 PM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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You took the words out of my mouth...watching ancient discoverys on the History Channel I’ve realized how advanced ancient cultures truly were. I’ve heard the phrase “which can’t be done today” stated several times.

Ultimately these cultures knew how to get things done but maybe didn’t fully understand the why they worked like we do now.

It’s amazing...I’ve wondered what secrets of technology were lost in the fires that destroyed the library in Alexandria I think it was...


32 posted on 12/04/2007 8:55:54 PM PST by phatus maximus (John 6:29...Learn it, love it, live it...)
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... the Legionaries age was into the 60’s barring death...

Yeah, in fact, barring death, they lived to be older.

I hear when they got to 100, they made them Centurions.

33 posted on 12/04/2007 8:57:36 PM PST by LexBaird (Behold, thou hast drinken of the Aide of Kool, and are lost unto Men.)
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To: BGHater

Maybe this explains why the ancient Romans were considered stuck-up, at least stuck on themselves.


34 posted on 12/04/2007 8:58:50 PM PST by punster
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To: VOA

Concrete works underwater, it’s a chemical thing not an evaporating thing.


35 posted on 12/04/2007 9:07:49 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: blam

“Did you know that Richard Smalley died? “

Yep. He sure packed a lot into his fairly short life.


36 posted on 12/04/2007 9:22:43 PM PST by VOA
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To: BGHater

I’m not impressed. Now if they come up with Caesar’s Duct Tape...


37 posted on 12/04/2007 9:28:03 PM PST by Lawgvr1955 (You can never have too much cowbell !!)
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To: VOA

There’s this guy who says that the pyramids were poured in place- http://pyramids.blog.com/


38 posted on 12/04/2007 9:31:00 PM PST by matthew fuller (Yo, First Dude- Got your "legacy"- Bush's Border Baby Boomers.)
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"Oatmeal seems to be a good adhesive, especially if I don’t wash the bowl right away. "

I think that a few years back they used flour and water to hang wallpaper- maybe still do.

39 posted on 12/04/2007 9:34:54 PM PST by matthew fuller (Yo, First Dude- Got your "legacy"- Bush's Border Baby Boomers.)
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Xanthen? Probably the source of Xanthen gum. /rimshot


40 posted on 12/04/2007 9:52:09 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Friday, November 30, 2007____________________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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41 posted on 12/04/2007 9:53:58 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Friday, November 30, 2007____________________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: crazyhorse691

Bitumen meatloaf. Yum. Gnawing on asphalt can cause serious dental problems though.


42 posted on 12/04/2007 10:19:42 PM PST by kylaka
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

Thanks for the ping!


43 posted on 12/04/2007 10:37:54 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

You’ve nailed it, or adhesive seems that way to me...


44 posted on 12/04/2007 10:38:23 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Friday, November 30, 2007____________________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

I also believe they could tell a customer, who was waiting, “Stick tight!”


45 posted on 12/04/2007 11:25:03 PM PST by punster
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

The inventor told the truth when he said, this glue is guaranteed for MM years or your money back. Unfortunately he was killed for insulting Caeser when he named the product, “Glueteous Maximus”.


46 posted on 12/05/2007 12:24:37 AM PST by I Drive Too Fast
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To: MHGinTN

Ambroise Pare, one of the Fathers of Surgery used oil made of egg yolk, oil of roses and turpentine to dress wounds in the middle ages because lamp oil was too expensive. He adapted it from Roman practices.


47 posted on 12/05/2007 4:56:49 AM PST by CholeraJoe (Vote for Mike Huckabee or Chuck Norris will give you a wedgie!)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance
Put THIS in your pipe and smoke it!
48 posted on 12/05/2007 6:09:47 AM PST by WSGilcrest (I'm beginning to realize I don't realize what I'm saying.)
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To: BGHater
bitumen, cattle fat and bark pitch

Say that fast three times in a row!
49 posted on 12/05/2007 6:19:22 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Ron Paul put the cuckoo in my Cocoa Puffs)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance
Ancient Roman customs included turning aged donkeys into glue

Makes perfect horsesense to me.
(I'm at work, so I cant hang around, have to trot along now.)

50 posted on 12/05/2007 6:58:30 AM PST by Tanniker Smith ("What are we doing tomorrow, Hil?" "Same thing we do every night, Bill, try to take over the world!")
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