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Michigan House Passes Ban On Smoking In Bars, Restaurants
ClickonDetroit ^ | December 6, 2007 | AP

Posted on 12/06/2007 5:29:42 AM PST by ShadowDancer

Michigan House Passes Ban On Smoking In Bars, Restaurants

POSTED: 7:47 am EST December 6, 2007
UPDATED: 8:10 am EST December 6, 2007

Smoking in Michigan workplaces, including bars and restaurants, would be banned under legislation passed by the Democratic-led state House.

The vote is a victory for supporters, who have been pushing the measure for a decade.

But it may not get very far in the Senate because majority Republicans oppose it.

Backers say a majority of state residents want a broad workplace smoking ban, and point to the harmful effects of secondhand smoke on employees and patrons.

Opponents say smoking is legal and government shouldn't interfere with the rights of private property owners.

Casinos, horse tracks, bingo halls, cigar bars and smoke shops would be exempt from the smoking ban.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: hooray; nannystate; pufflist; tobaccocausescancer
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1 posted on 12/06/2007 5:29:42 AM PST by ShadowDancer
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To: ShadowDancer

Was in Michigan this summer (visiting from New York).

My wife was astounded that they would offer us ashtrays in a bar.


2 posted on 12/06/2007 5:32:01 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: ShadowDancer; Just another Joe; CSM; lockjaw02; Publius6961; elkfersupper; nopardons; metesky; ...

Nanny State Ping..........


3 posted on 12/06/2007 5:35:11 AM PST by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: ShadowDancer

Another good example of how the Democrats know what’s best for you. Too bad your too dumb to realize it.


4 posted on 12/06/2007 5:36:19 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

Sounds like my trip to Texas 20+ years ago. I was shocked to see ashtrays in the aisles of the grocery stores.


5 posted on 12/06/2007 5:37:14 AM PST by cripplecreek (Only one consistent conservative in this race and his name is Hunter.)
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To: Brilliant

No, this is going to be a great blessing for the Bars. Since the Smoking Ban in New York, I’ve been able to stay out longer and not feel as bad the next day. So instead of just going out on a Thursday or Friday, I’d be able to go out for an after work drink or two on Monday/Tuesday or Wednesday.


6 posted on 12/06/2007 5:40:11 AM PST by Philly Nomad
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To: ShadowDancer

Compassionate Socialists? /sarcasm


7 posted on 12/06/2007 5:41:10 AM PST by PGalt
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To: ShadowDancer; grellis

MI ping..

so, any word on how many budget bills are still floating around?


8 posted on 12/06/2007 5:41:37 AM PST by absolootezer0 (white male christian hetero married gun toting SUV driving motorcycle riding conservative smoker)
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To: Philly Nomad
No, this is going to be a great blessing for the Bars

Tell that to my friends in Delaware who lost their jobs after the smoking ban, or the ones that owned bars.......oh wait, a lot of those bars no longer exist.

9 posted on 12/06/2007 5:44:26 AM PST by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: Gabz

Are there no bars left in Delaware? Of Course not, there are plenty.

Your friends were bad businessmen and just want to put the blame on somebody else.


10 posted on 12/06/2007 5:46:52 AM PST by Philly Nomad
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To: Gabz

Didn’t seem to affect bars in Ohio. If someone wants a beer with friends they will still go to bars. And restaurants still have long waits.


11 posted on 12/06/2007 5:47:02 AM PST by Martins kid
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To: Philly Nomad

I’ve yet to see a single bar that considers this a blessing, except for the bars that border municipalities that ban smoking.

They did that in a small town near me, and the town immediately experienced significant loss of business. Meanwhile, the bars right next door, but not in the township, began seeing huge increases in business.

Nanny stateism, at its worst.


12 posted on 12/06/2007 5:48:14 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: Philly Nomad
Your friends were bad businessmen and just want to put the blame on somebody else.

Nice try, but no cigar.

Believe what you wish, including the propaganda by the busybodies, I know better.

13 posted on 12/06/2007 5:49:00 AM PST by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: Martins kid
Didn’t seem to affect bars in Ohio.

That's not what people in Ohio are telling me, including non-smokers.

14 posted on 12/06/2007 5:50:47 AM PST by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: SJSAMPLE

I’m sorry, I haven’t seen it.

My cousin owns a bar in philly and he’s seen no drop-off. The Bars I go to in NYC are all still going strong as if the ban has never happened.

Poorly run bars go out of business all the time, since America has lost the will to accept blame for one’s mistakes, they find a way to blame the government.

Maybe they can get al sharpton on the bandwagon.


15 posted on 12/06/2007 5:51:05 AM PST by Philly Nomad
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To: Philly Nomad

If so, then why don’t the bars just ban it on their own?


16 posted on 12/06/2007 5:52:39 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: Martins kid

My brother ones a great bar/dinner in Florida when a no smoking ban took place. He hated the idea, said he’d lose business and go under. However, he’s still there, didn’t go under and his business actually increased. So I suppose the fact of the matter is, people don’t like to smell cigerette smoke.


17 posted on 12/06/2007 5:56:41 AM PST by JamesA
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To: Philly Nomad
I also have friends from Delaware. They told me about places that were doing great until this ban. Many became private clubs to get an exemption. Those that couldn’t went under.
18 posted on 12/06/2007 5:57:33 AM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: JamesA

We noticed that the restaurants are fuller now for breakfast. There used to be a line waiting for the non-smoking section and empty seats in the smoking section - now it is all full.


19 posted on 12/06/2007 6:05:26 AM PST by Martins kid
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To: JamesA
...so, your brother likes the government telling him how to run HIS business? This isn't a matter of health, this is an issue of choice and government intrusion.

It's really too bad we can't tell the government how to operate.

20 posted on 12/06/2007 6:06:25 AM PST by A_Tradition_Continues (No Longer white...I'm Caucasion-American...Please make note)
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To: Gabz

I’ve heard 100 bars have closed here in Ohio. It’s pretty pathetic that hubby and I have to go to Vegas for him to enjoy a cigar with his adult beverage. There is a word called CHOICE, but the other side WANTS IT ALL and got it. Sad that there couldn’t be some sort of compromise where almost everyone would have been happy. Because of that, there are a lot of unhappy adults here in Ohio. There is not one single place in the state of Ohio where an adult can partake of a tobacco product; private clubs are even illegal, and the vets cannot smoke in their own VFW halls. PATHETIC. At least Michigan seems not to be that draconian about it.


21 posted on 12/06/2007 6:06:47 AM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: A_Tradition_Continues

Hear! Hear!


22 posted on 12/06/2007 6:07:10 AM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: PBRSTREETGANG
This is the same Michigan whose ads we keep hearing on the radio about how the state is “great for business”? Smoking ban here. Trans fat ban there. Another clod of dirt on the coffin...
23 posted on 12/06/2007 6:07:13 AM PST by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: Philly Nomad

Poorly run?
That’s a hell of an assumption.

These bars were doing good business before that nanny staters moved in.

Good to see so many Americans accept government intrusion at all levels.


24 posted on 12/06/2007 6:08:33 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: yankeedame

Bloomberg’sm is spreading. Daddy knows best.


25 posted on 12/06/2007 6:09:10 AM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: ShadowDancer
Backers say a majority of state residents want a broad workplace smoking ban, and point to the harmful effects of secondhand smoke on employees and patrons.

Second hand smoke is like global warming - a scare tactic based on rigged science in order to gain more control over our lives.

Opponents say smoking is legal and government shouldn't interfere with the rights of private property owners.

And that is the real nub of the matter, eliminating private and individual property rights.

Casinos, horse tracks, bingo halls, cigar bars and smoke shops would be exempt from the smoking ban.

For now, and only to dampen opposition to this power grab. Once it is accepted elsewhere these locales will fall, also.

26 posted on 12/06/2007 6:09:22 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Philly Nomad
If a smoking ban was good for business the businesses would impliment it. Let the business owner decide what is best for his business, not a bunch of sissies who do not know how to run a business, except to run the business OUT of business.
27 posted on 12/06/2007 6:11:36 AM PST by John D
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To: ShadowDancer
And with Hitlery health care they’ll need to ban:

- red meat
- fried foods
- white bread
- etc. etc.

“Just to keep the health costs down...”

28 posted on 12/06/2007 6:14:20 AM PST by TRY ONE (NUKE the unborn gay whales!)
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To: Philly Nomad
Your friends were bad businessmen and just want to put the blame on somebody else.

Why not leave it up to the businessmen rather than the government? If smokers are such pariahs and it is bad for business, then the bar owners will ban smoking voluntarily. Or the patrons can choose between bars based on their preference. Tobacco is not an illegal substance.

29 posted on 12/06/2007 6:14:25 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

Oh, can’t do that. That makes too much sense. Even Rush said this has to stop, folks. Gees.


30 posted on 12/06/2007 6:16:31 AM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: Philly Nomad
No, this is going to be a great blessing for the Bars.

Wrong! In virtually every place it has been put into effect, a smoking ban has hurt business in bars, and many have closed. The whining nannies don't come out and frequent the businesses they once supposedly avoided because of smoke. Smoking bans cause a loss of business. They are a violation of property rights of the business owners, and an interference in their ability to conduct a legal business for profit, and are an attempt to ban a legal practice.

If the anti's and Nanny State do-gooders were serious about our health, tobacco would be outlawed completely. that will never happen, because there's too much money in it's continued use. The Nanny State whiners are lying through their teeth when they claim their actions are about public health.

31 posted on 12/06/2007 6:20:55 AM PST by nobdysfool (I hate government regulation of any kind)
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To: Gabz

The ban goes into effect on 1 Jan, 08 in Illinois.


32 posted on 12/06/2007 6:26:13 AM PST by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Philly Nomad; Gabz
Smokers find refuge in secret nicotine dens

Warning over 'smoke-easy' lock-ins

Everyone head for the 'smoke-easy'

Smoke Easy

33 posted on 12/06/2007 6:29:26 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
For now, and only to dampen opposition to this power grab. Once it is accepted elsewhere these locales will fall, also.

Yep, the same as was done with the seatbelt laws.

At first it was "we won't stop you for a seatbelt violation, it will only be added on if you're stopped on another more serious vioalation" now it's "CLICK IT OR TICKET".

34 posted on 12/06/2007 6:32:03 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Philly Nomad

“No, this is going to be a great blessing for the Bars.”

Here’s an idea; rather than supporting statist control over private property, why not just simply support establishments that share your view on smoking?

I know, radical concepts, free market and private property rights and all.

(obligatory smoking-thread disclaimer: I do not smoke. I formerly smoked but that was over 7 years ago).


35 posted on 12/06/2007 6:37:34 AM PST by No.6 (www.fourthfightergroup.com)
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To: GOP_Lady

Our government has the biggest tobacco addiction. If tobacco is so vile, so addictive lets ban the product all together. Let the smokers go cold turkey without the tobacco products and let the government go cold turkey without the tobacco tax revenues.


36 posted on 12/06/2007 6:44:38 AM PST by A_Tradition_Continues (No Longer white...I'm Caucasion-American...Please make note)
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To: Philly Nomad

What does the term “free republic” mean to you?


37 posted on 12/06/2007 6:45:37 AM PST by pilipo
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To: A_Tradition_Continues

Hear! Hear! They’re pigs in a trough, that’s what it’s coming to.


38 posted on 12/06/2007 6:48:13 AM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: pilipo
Why is it that some so-called CONSERVATIVES on this site can’t comprehend freedom? Mind-boggling.
39 posted on 12/06/2007 6:49:08 AM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: Philly Nomad
So instead of just going out on a Thursday or Friday, I’d be able to go out for an after work drink or two on Monday/Tuesday or Wednesday.

Well isn't that special. Your rights are all that count! Never fear this will come back to bite you in the butt when the strike is against something legal that you do.

40 posted on 12/06/2007 6:53:45 AM PST by Snoopers-868th
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To: Snoopers-868th

I’m skinny. I want the government to so something about fat people!


41 posted on 12/06/2007 6:54:47 AM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: Snoopers-868th

I’m skinny. I want the government to so something about fat people!


42 posted on 12/06/2007 6:54:51 AM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: ShadowDancer

Yes, run the state economy into the ground and now ban smoking. Is their any Republican in that state who wants to take victory from them?


43 posted on 12/06/2007 6:57:01 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: GOP_Lady

You and me both!!!!!!


44 posted on 12/06/2007 6:58:02 AM PST by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: Snoopers-868th
Never fear this will come back to bite you in the butt when the strike is against something legal that you do.

Like take away those drinks they enjoy so much more now without the smoke.

45 posted on 12/06/2007 6:58:56 AM PST by HoosierHawk
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To: Brilliant

“If so, then why don’t the bars just ban it on their own?”

The ONLY bar I ever go to has done so. They’re going strong.


46 posted on 12/06/2007 7:01:12 AM PST by gracesdad
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To: ShadowDancer
...to be followed shortly by legislative bans on serving alcoholic beverages in bars and food in restaurants.

DAMN IT! IT'S FOR YOUR OWN GOOD!!

</ sarc>

47 posted on 12/06/2007 7:01:22 AM PST by Captain Rhino ( If we have the WILL to do it, there is nothing built in China that we cannot do without.)
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To: GOP_Lady
No, no those folks need help they can't help themselves they are diseased. Me thinks, a law should be passed that makes them run from 12-1:00 and 5-6:00 everyday. We need to "help" them. And, of course, we need to reduce the cost of their health problems. I am so sick of everyone in everyone else's business and that includes all areas of the medical field (dentist, optometrist's, etc).
48 posted on 12/06/2007 7:02:24 AM PST by Snoopers-868th
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To: ShadowDancer

Huckabee is pleased.


49 posted on 12/06/2007 7:03:02 AM PST by Swordfished
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To: GOP_Lady

I do not know . It truly is fascinating. It is not, as they say, “rocket surgery”.


50 posted on 12/06/2007 7:03:12 AM PST by pilipo
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