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Boy Scouts Lose Philadelphia Lease in Gay-Rights Fight
New York Times ^ | December 6, 2007 | Ia Urbina

Posted on 12/06/2007 11:04:30 AM PST by yorkie

For three years the Philadelphia council of the Boy Scouts of America held its ground. It resisted the city’s request to change its discriminatory policy toward gay people despite threats that if it did not do so, the city would evict the group from a municipal building where the Scouts have resided practically rent free since 1928.

Hailed as the birthplace of the Boy Scouts, the Beaux Arts building is the seat of the seventh-largest chapter of the organization and the first of the more than 300 council service centers built by the Scouts around the country over the past century.

But over the years the fight between the city and the Scouts was about more than this grandiose structure in Center City.

Municipal officials said the clash stemmed from a duty to defend civil rights and an obligation to abide by a local law that bars taxpayer support for any group that discriminates. Boy Scout officials said it was about preserving their culture, protecting the right of private organizations to remain exclusive and defending traditions like requiring members to swear an oath of duty to God and prohibiting membership by anyone who is openly homosexual.

This week the Boy Scouts made their last stand and lost.

“At the end of the day, you can not be in a city-owned facility being subsidized by the taxpayers and not have language in your lease that talks about nondiscrimination,” said City Councilman Darrell L. Clarke, who represents the district where the building is located. “Negotiations are over.”

Mr. Clarke said talks ended this week when the deadline passed for the local chapter to change its policy; on June 1 the group will be evicted.

“Since we were founded, we believe that open homosexuality would be inconsistent with the values..

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: activistcourts; antichristian; bluezone; boyscouts; bsa; churchandstate; citycouncil; cityofbrotherlylove; civilrights; cradleofliberty; discrimination; gaystapotactics; homosexualagenda; lavendermafia
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1 posted on 12/06/2007 11:04:31 AM PST by yorkie
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To: yorkie

The Scouts built the million dollar building. Tear it down if you can’t take it with you.


2 posted on 12/06/2007 11:05:33 AM PST by weegee (If Bill Clinton can sit in on Hillary's Cabinet Meetings then GWBush should ask to get to sit in too)
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To: yorkie

And no doubt the city will turn the property over to GLAAD.


3 posted on 12/06/2007 11:06:05 AM PST by Old Sarge (This tagline in memory of FReeper 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub)
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To: yorkie

Just proves there is too much city-owned facilities.


4 posted on 12/06/2007 11:06:23 AM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: weegee

im getting sick of the few overtaking the many...


5 posted on 12/06/2007 11:06:29 AM PST by abstracTT
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To: abstracTT

it will be a NAMBLA building before you know it.


6 posted on 12/06/2007 11:07:11 AM PST by abstracTT
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To: yorkie

The BSA should take away the building they built piece by piece.


7 posted on 12/06/2007 11:07:13 AM PST by AU72
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To: yorkie

So the prohibition on religious establishment permits the city to mandate that all persons bow to the religion of political correctness and check your moral principles at the door.


8 posted on 12/06/2007 11:07:25 AM PST by weegee (If Bill Clinton can sit in on Hillary's Cabinet Meetings then GWBush should ask to get to sit in too)
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To: weegee
The Scouts built the million dollar building. Tear it down if you can’t take it with you.

Yup. Demolish it or require the city to pay the fair value of the improvements on the land.

9 posted on 12/06/2007 11:08:13 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: yorkie

Now the way is cleared for the city council commies to turn the building over to the North American Man-Boy Love Association for their headquarters. Embrace your new gay order, Philadelphians.


10 posted on 12/06/2007 11:09:57 AM PST by Argus
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To: abstracTT
The Left likes to cite the number of child molestation cases in the Catholic Church while downplaying the number of child molestation cases in the Boy Scouts BECAUSE the Scouts know to prohibit high risk groups from participating as chaperons on overnight visits.
11 posted on 12/06/2007 11:09:59 AM PST by weegee (If Bill Clinton can sit in on Hillary's Cabinet Meetings then GWBush should ask to get to sit in too)
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To: yorkie

This brings a new and perverse meaning to the “city of brotherly love.”


12 posted on 12/06/2007 11:11:03 AM PST by Reagan79 (<BREAKING NEWS> - Jimmy Carter to Endorse Mike Huckabee)
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To: yorkie

Apparently in Philadelphia good is evil and evil is good. Woe unto them.


13 posted on 12/06/2007 11:12:06 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: yorkie

“The last remaining Men” in Pennsylvania...


14 posted on 12/06/2007 11:12:46 AM PST by silentreignofheroes (I'm Southron,,,and I Vote...)
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To: weegee
"At the end of the day, you can not be in a city-owned facility being subsidized by the taxpayers and not have language in your lease that talks about nondiscrimination,”

This is an unbelievable statement by a government employee. "You CANNOT...." Who made this guy God?

15 posted on 12/06/2007 11:13:24 AM PST by boop (Who doesn't love poison pot pies?)
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To: yorkie
“At the end of the day, you can not be in a city-owned facility being subsidized by the taxpayers and not have language in your lease that talks about nondiscrimination,” said City Councilman Darrell L. Clarke, who represents the district where the building is located. “Negotiations are over.”

Funny, how they never note that this fellow is "out and proud" himself.

This whole episode is a disgrace. Sodomy triumphs over virtue--this time.
16 posted on 12/06/2007 11:14:37 AM PST by Antoninus (Republicans who support Rudy owe Bill Clinton an apology.)
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To: All

I think it’s sad that people equate pedophilia with homosexuality at this day in time. The BSA Headquarters should purchase the land from the city and finance a lease for the group that they can afford. Unfortunately, a lot of inner city kids will suffer and a beautiful landmark will be no more because of this.


17 posted on 12/06/2007 11:15:32 AM PST by Pawtucket Patriot
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To: yorkie

Philadelphia stinks with shame today.


18 posted on 12/06/2007 11:16:41 AM PST by DesScorp
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To: weegee

This building was built by the Scouts, it belongs to the Scouts, and they should take it with them - brick by brick.


19 posted on 12/06/2007 11:17:04 AM PST by dandelion
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To: weegee
So the prohibition on religious establishment permits the city to mandate that all persons bow to the religion of political correctness and check your moral principles at the door.

If you're taking the government's money, you follow their rules.

20 posted on 12/06/2007 11:17:54 AM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep
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To: yorkie

Despite this, I have no doubt the scouts will continue to thrive and survive. I’m not so sure about Philly.


21 posted on 12/06/2007 11:18:40 AM PST by joebuck
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To: yorkie

What are the chances of a gay group tolerating a straight republican at GLAAD? The boy Scouts as ruled by the SCOTUS has a right to free association. P!ss on the left.


22 posted on 12/06/2007 11:22:16 AM PST by rbosque ("To educate a person in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society." - Teddy Roosevelt)
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To: yorkie
“At the end of the day, you can not be in a city-owned facility being subsidized by the taxpayers and not have language in your lease that talks about nondiscrimination,” said City Councilman Darrell L. Clarke, who represents the district where the building is located. “Negotiations are over.”

For the moment.

There was a legal agreement for the use of the land.
Most legal agreements are not subject to one of the parties changing the conditions after the fact. I would love to see the Boy Scouts pursue this further and appeal.

How many existing agreements can be rendered useles by arbitrarily changing the rules?

23 posted on 12/06/2007 11:22:41 AM PST by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: yorkie

Just pay fair market value and be done with it.


24 posted on 12/06/2007 11:23:13 AM PST by trumandogz (Hunter Thompson 2008)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Amen. My favorite scripture for our times!


25 posted on 12/06/2007 11:24:38 AM PST by red irish (Gods Children in the womb are to be loved too!)
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To: Pawtucket Patriot

You deny that gay scoutmasters are a problem on overnight stays?

The Scouts’ prohibition goes beyong just molestation. It is also moral character.


26 posted on 12/06/2007 11:24:50 AM PST by weegee (If Bill Clinton can sit in on Hillary's Cabinet Meetings then GWBush should ask to get to sit in too)
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To: Myrddin
Yup. Demolish it or require the city to pay the fair value of the improvements on the land.

This so much reminds me of the destruction of the Berlin Wall, and the sale of pieces of it as souveriers.
I would suggest dismantling the building and selling off bricks(?) or anything else that is separable to fund the construction of a new building that remains pervert-free.

27 posted on 12/06/2007 11:25:32 AM PST by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: yorkie

another red banner day for dhimmicrats


28 posted on 12/06/2007 11:25:35 AM PST by Pietro
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To: abstracTT

My wife and I were discussing that last night, WRT the California statute on “discriminatory language” that would include the words “mother, father, husband, wife”.

Why is it that 1-2% of the population can be allowed to cause such grief to everyone else?


29 posted on 12/06/2007 11:28:08 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
If you're taking the government's money, you follow their rules.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but there is a monumental difference between "taking" the government's money and simply not paying "tribute" to it.

30 posted on 12/06/2007 11:28:13 AM PST by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

The government changed the rules and wants to take their building (the rent is a nominal fee for the land, the Scouts pay tens of thousands on the building’s maintenence every year).

This is a politically correct policy change. It is a policy, and I’m not even sure it is a law.

There is no dissent to be tolerated. Homosexuality is not a sin because “we say so”. Next they could be prohibited by mentioning God.

At the time the contract was established, there was more tolerance for people of all faiths and the private acts of this council member were illegal.

As I say, they built it and should demolish it out of spite if the intolerant Left thinks they can steal a million dollar “palace”.


32 posted on 12/06/2007 11:29:00 AM PST by weegee (If Bill Clinton can sit in on Hillary's Cabinet Meetings then GWBush should ask to get to sit in too)
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To: abstracTT
Instead of tearing down BSA, the homosexual lobby should start a group of its own and let the marketplace of parental decisions decide.

I suspect, however, that there might not be too many takers for the “Man-Boy Camping Club of America”

33 posted on 12/06/2007 11:29:52 AM PST by Dagnabitt
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To: yorkie
A Pink Eye for Philly.

The city keeps punishing the wrong people on it's way further down the cesspool.

34 posted on 12/06/2007 11:30:08 AM PST by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: MrB

Liberals are seeking to criminalize conservativism. Thought crime is here and it is coming from the same sort of Stalinists that George Orwell saw ages ago.


35 posted on 12/06/2007 11:30:45 AM PST by weegee (If Bill Clinton can sit in on Hillary's Cabinet Meetings then GWBush should ask to get to sit in too)
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The government changed the rules and wants to take their building...

Sounds exactly like what the homosexual Episcopal Church is trying to do with the Northern Virginia churches that left.

36 posted on 12/06/2007 11:30:59 AM PST by rabscuttle385 (This tagline intentionally left blank.)
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To: yorkie

Philadelphia is wracked with crime and violence.

Yet its loser “leaders” spend time with this. Is it small wonder why the central cities are such a mess? You Democrats get what you vote for.


37 posted on 12/06/2007 11:31:06 AM PST by A_Former_Democrat
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To: yorkie
Am I missing something ? The BSA don’t want gay men going off on camping trips with young boys. Does that mean if a heterosexual man wanted to go on a camping trip with young girls in the Girl Guides, and they said no - that would be discrimination ???

Does anybody use their freaking brains anymore in this country ?

38 posted on 12/06/2007 11:31:28 AM PST by Beatthedrum
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To: Dagnabitt

Why don’t we hear more about single men seeking to be girl scout leaders for overnight visits?


39 posted on 12/06/2007 11:31:39 AM PST by weegee (If Bill Clinton can sit in on Hillary's Cabinet Meetings then GWBush should ask to get to sit in too)
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To: yorkie
For three years the Philadelphia council of the Boy Scouts of America held its ground. It resisted the city’s request to change its discriminatory policy toward gay people despite threats that if it did not do so, the city would evict the group from a municipal building where the Scouts have resided practically rent free since 1928.

Not too biased an opening to the newsstory is it?

I've been tracking this story (my son is a member of the Boy Scouts).

For the BSA to accept open homosexuals (especially in leadership positions) would mean the end of the organization.

The Boy Scouts of America is a private organization. My recommendation to them would be to purchase/build/maintain a meeting place of their own. This is too important an issue to compromise on.

'Pod.

40 posted on 12/06/2007 11:32:43 AM PST by sauropod (Welcome to O'Malleyland. What's in your wallet?)
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According to the article, Councilman Darrell L. Clarke has pushed hard for this decision.

Mr. Clarke’s website is:

http:www.darrellclarke5thdistrict.com/ (with a pic and bio)

To contact him:

Email: darrell.clarke@phila.gov
Address: 484 City Hall
Philadelphia, PA 19107
Phone: (215) 686-3442
Fax: (215) 686-1901

I’ll bet he would just love to get some early Valentines from FReepers. ;-)


41 posted on 12/06/2007 11:33:20 AM PST by yorkie
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Here’s another one:

John 15:18-19 (NIV)
18 “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first.
19 If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you.


42 posted on 12/06/2007 11:33:21 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Pawtucket Patriot
I think it’s sad that people equate pedophilia with homosexuality at this day in time.

I don't think people are doing that here.

It's about having moral standards and sticking to them.

43 posted on 12/06/2007 11:34:39 AM PST by sauropod (Welcome to O'Malleyland. What's in your wallet?)
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To: Pawtucket Patriot
it’s sad that people equate pedophilia with homosexuality at this day in time

ah... so there's no higher occurrence of pedophiles among homosexual men than among the general population?

Pull the other one and it plays "Jingle Bells".

44 posted on 12/06/2007 11:35:09 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: yorkie
“At the end of the day, you can not be in a city-owned facility being subsidized by the taxpayers and not have language in your lease that talks about nondiscrimination,” said City Councilman Darrell L. Clarke, who represents the district where the building is located. “Negotiations are over.”

This means that the city is terminating a lease with no anti-discrimination clause. Are there any other old leases with no anti-discrimination clause? If so, they must also be terminated. Otherwise, we may have a 14th amendment case here.

It would be funny if ACORN or GLAAD were leasing a building under such a lease. To see them evicted would be quite humorous.

45 posted on 12/06/2007 11:35:20 AM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
I’m a taxpayer and I don’t mind the Boy Scouts using the building. But I do mind some members of the council speaking for all of us, which they don’t. In fact, the majority would like the Boys Scouts to stay, in my opinion.
46 posted on 12/06/2007 11:35:43 AM PST by orinoco
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

“If you’re taking the government’s money, you follow their rules.”

In this case, it’s not quite that simple, the BSA built that building and developed the land at a time in the US where agreements were largely verbal with “..As long as you want to stay here...” as the binding in the agreement.

Now that Philly has decided that the BSA is immoral, and homosexuality is preferred, such quaint agreements become hammers to wield against the BSA.

To which I would say “fine”

If the people of Philly wonder “why” their town is swirling down the toilet, which I doubt they will, they can find the next group to blame.

The BSA will have to realize that their principles are not welcomed in a Philly and make arrangements for different housing and have -0- to do with the Philly Govt.


48 posted on 12/06/2007 11:38:57 AM PST by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ Isaiah 3.3)
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To: Pawtucket Patriot

“The BSA Headquarters should purchase the land from the city”

I doubt if the City Council would agree to selling the land.


49 posted on 12/06/2007 11:39:28 AM PST by rwa265
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To: Pawtucket Patriot
I think it’s sad that people equate pedophilia with homosexuality at this day in time.

I think it is sad that we don’t make this association MORE OFTEN. There is a strong correlation..........
50 posted on 12/06/2007 11:39:50 AM PST by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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