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(Baltimore) MTA looks at racial role in city bus attack
Baltimore Sun ^ | 7 December 2007 | Michael Dresser

Posted on 12/07/2007 6:51:44 AM PST by Moose4

Maryland Transit Administration Police said last night that they have found no evidence that the severe beating of a 26-year-old woman on a city bus this week was provoked and that they are investigating the attack as a possible racially motivated hate crime.

Nine middle school students have been charged as juveniles with aggravated assault and destruction of property in the Tuesday afternoon attack on a woman and her male companion on the No. 27 bus.

Police said yesterday that they have determined that there were two additional victims in the case - a third passenger and the bus operator who came to his assistance.

Investigators were examining video from a surveillance camera on the bus but had not completed their analysis.

(Excerpt) Read more at baltimoresun.com ...


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The two main beating victims, the woman and her boyfriend, were white (as was the elderly passenger). The nine fourteen- and fifteen-year-olds who issued the beating, and the bus driver who helped save the beating victims, were black.

Had I not tripped over a reference to this on Michelle Malkin's blog this morning, I wouldn't have known about this incident. Do you think if nine white kids had shattered a black woman's eyesocket and thrown her off a bus, that would be the case? Right.

One does not merely ride the bus into Baltimordor.

}:-)4

1 posted on 12/07/2007 6:51:45 AM PST by Moose4
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To: Moose4

I heard she used the N word and spat on the kids... still no excuse for violence. Assault charges should be pressed. Where is Al Sharphead?


2 posted on 12/07/2007 6:55:05 AM PST by somfphite (We gotta do it, cause no one else will!)
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To: Moose4

Maybe she was wearing a Steelers jacket.


3 posted on 12/07/2007 6:55:06 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: Moose4

Surprisingly, it looks like the Bodymore, Murderland MTA is investigating the criminals and not the victims.


4 posted on 12/07/2007 6:55:47 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: Moose4

The “parents” are apparently defending the little thugs by claiming they were “provoked.” They say the woman spit or perhaps displayed a knife.

Why her doing so would constitute sufficient provocation to justify such an attack is left unsaid.

Apparently the parents aren’t too bright. What they should have claimed is that she used an “ethnic slur.” As we all know, that immediately justifies any and all response up to homicide.


5 posted on 12/07/2007 6:56:14 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Moose4
sarcasm/
Its obviously, NOT a hate crime..... /sarcasm off BUMP
6 posted on 12/07/2007 6:56:33 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (just b/c your paranoid, doesn't mean they're NOT out to get you....Run, FRed, Run. :^)
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To: somfphite

Of course that’s what they’ll CLAIM in order to save their own sorry asses—immediate playing of the race card.


7 posted on 12/07/2007 6:56:46 AM PST by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: Moose4

...Baltimore is NOT a safe city....it is a violent place to be avoided....


8 posted on 12/07/2007 6:57:58 AM PST by STONEWALLS
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To: Sherman Logan

If she had displayed a knife, she should have used it. Those kids are animals. This is the perfect example of why concealed weapons are necessary.


9 posted on 12/07/2007 6:58:26 AM PST by -=SoylentSquirrel=- (I'm really made of people!)
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To: wideawake

Baltimore becomes D.C. more each say. Just the worst hellhole in a state which has been taken over by the lefties. I only go back to Maryland to visit family and even that scares me.


10 posted on 12/07/2007 6:58:46 AM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: Moose4

ping for update


11 posted on 12/07/2007 6:59:21 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: somfphite

Does anyone seriously believe that a young white woman got on a bus surrounded by a bunch of blacks in a large inner city and provoked a racial incident calling these kids “nigger”? I don’t think so. I think this is the Jena 6 all over again and that Halloween business out in Long Beach, Ca. where a teen age girl got her face bashed in with a skateboard.


12 posted on 12/07/2007 7:02:54 AM PST by Plains Drifter (If guns kill people, wouldn't there be a lot of dead people at gun shows?)
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To: Moose4

“no evidence that the severe beating of a 26-year-old woman on a city bus this week was provoked and that they are investigating the attack as a possible racially motivated hate crime.”

This is very hard for the Baltimore SUN to swallow.


13 posted on 12/07/2007 7:04:01 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: Moose4

A white schoolgirl in New York either lost or nearly lost sight in one eye a couple of years ago after a black gang beat her up. The mainstream media buried the story.


14 posted on 12/07/2007 7:04:33 AM PST by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: Moose4

“He probably saved this gentleman’s life”

OMG! Someone NOT the criminal scumbag thug was called “gentleman”!


15 posted on 12/07/2007 7:06:56 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: somfphite

I read that she tried to sit in several different seats and was told NO by these thugs. Finally, she took a seat despite being told not to sit there. And then it all began. I don’t know about the use of any epithets, but if someone were beating on me, some may well come out of my mouth.


16 posted on 12/07/2007 7:08:01 AM PST by trimom
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To: Moose4
By that logic, then the Jena 6 on 1 assault was race related.

Oh, wait, it was.

17 posted on 12/07/2007 7:10:25 AM PST by sportutegrl
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To: Emmett McCarthy
Sorry, but your info here is out-of-date.

The real issue is that DC is gentrifying at a fast rate. The lower class folks who can’t afford to stay are being pushed into P.G. County inside the beltway, Southern Maryland, and north to Baltimore...

18 posted on 12/07/2007 7:10:59 AM PST by Loyolas Mattman
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To: OCCASparky

I’m suprised they didn’t claim the victims hung a up a noose.


19 posted on 12/07/2007 7:11:57 AM PST by sportutegrl
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To: Moose4

‘Mayor Sheila Dixon released a statement saying she was “extremely concerned” about the attack.’

Yet a few weeks ago she went hook, line & sinker for the HOAX of a stupid DRAWING of a “threat” with some vague “noose” on it, and got all enraged about “racism” (you know what kind). In Baltimore, of all places.

Made by a black employee who wanted to cause trouble (because he knows the blacks WILL get all huffed up about it).


20 posted on 12/07/2007 7:13:36 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: Moose4

“Every once in a while somebody will make some racist remark but you run into that on the street,”

White guys shrug it off.


21 posted on 12/07/2007 7:16:09 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: Moose4
I am seriously getting fed up reading stories like this and how much denial exists out there about racism beyond whitey. How many more instances of this blatant example of what liberals should be describing as a “hate crime” should society have to bear?

Baltimore is a cesspool and why any self respecting white person or middle class black person would live there is beyond me.

22 posted on 12/07/2007 7:16:37 AM PST by misterrob (Twelve down, Seven more til the Pats win the SB again.)
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To: sportutegrl
I’m suprised they didn’t claim the victims hung a up a noose.

Nah, that's next week's talking point for Reh-vuh-rund Jack-a-suuun.
23 posted on 12/07/2007 7:17:14 AM PST by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: somfphite
I heard she used the N word and spat on the kids... still no excuse for violence.

That's what one of the "youth's" mother says, LOL.

Like any sane person would take on a gang of 9 black teenagers on a bus.

It's so funny that while these racist punks commit their outrages they still try to blame it on whitey.

24 posted on 12/07/2007 7:17:32 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass (Don't taze me, bro!!)
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To: Moose4
“The nine fourteen and fifteen-year-olds who issued the beating”

That’s middle school age in Baltimore? These aren’t kids, they’re full nearly full grown adults.

25 posted on 12/07/2007 7:17:38 AM PST by poobear (Pure democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for dinner. God save the Republic!)
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To: Moose4
A leading local transit advocate said yesterday that he generally agrees the MTA system is safe but said riders have come to dread certain bus runs called "trippers" that take city youths to and from school. The No. 27 bus on which Tuesday's assault occurred was such a run - with its starting point at the Poole school as classes let out.

"I don't feel unsafe on the buses. I feel uncomfortable on the trippers," said Ed Cohen, president of the Transit Riders Action Council. "The general view of riders who ever happen to board one of those trippers is that they've boarded a rolling hellhole."

26 posted on 12/07/2007 7:18:20 AM PST by JZelle
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To: somfphite
Hearsay is inadmissible.
27 posted on 12/07/2007 7:19:12 AM PST by boomop1 (there you go again)
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To: somfphite

How likely is that?


28 posted on 12/07/2007 7:20:39 AM PST by ichabod1 ("Self defense is not only our right, it is our duty." President Ronald Reagan)
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To: somfphite

If you read through this Sun article (basically they said no “child” brought up “n-word” or knife or spit when deposed; only “parents” who weren’t there) as well as this Examiner article and it’s RELATED” updates boxed within, you’ll see it’s pretty specious.

http://www.examiner.com/a-1089067~Students_beat_woman_on_city_bus__police_say.html

Incidentally, this was a whole big thread yesterday for the Examiner.


29 posted on 12/07/2007 7:21:30 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: Plains Drifter

Bus Attack A Hate Crime Or Provoked By Victim?
Friday, December 07, 2007
WBAL Radio and The Associated Press

Maryland Transit Administration Police are investigating Tuesday’s attack aboard a Baltimore bus as a hate crime.

Twenty-six-year-old Sarah Kreager suffered broken facial bones and other injuries after she was punched, kicked and dragged off the bus by nine middle school students. A man with Kreager, Troy Ellis, was also beaten.

Kreager and Ellis are white and the students are black.

Transit police say they have found no evidence that the attack was provoked. They continue to examine video from a surveillance camera on the bus.

But some City middle school students are disputing the police version of this week’s assault of a woman on an MTA bus.

The Examiner is reporting that some Poole Middle School students who were on the Number 27 bus at around 3 on Tuesday say the 26-year-old woman started the fight and used the “N” word.

The students say the woman and her boyfriend started the fight that left the woman with broken bones in her left eye socket and other injuries to her head.

One of students who rides that bus says the woman used the “N” word and punched one of the students riding the bus.

But that flies in the face of what the woman told MTA police.

The students are charged with aggravated assault and destruction of property. Police say the teens could face additional charges. Police have identified two additional victims, a third passenger and the bus driver.


30 posted on 12/07/2007 7:21:58 AM PST by somfphite (We gotta do it, cause no one else will!)
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To: BenLurkin

Too many around here - and they obviously never get beaten up.


31 posted on 12/07/2007 7:22:04 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

The MTA said that there is no evidence that the victims did anything to provoke the attack- keep in mind that they not only attacked the white woman, but her white boyfriend and another elderly white passenger unrelated to the couple. When the black bus driver tried to break up the attack he too was assaulted.


32 posted on 12/07/2007 7:22:33 AM PST by LWalk18
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To: Sherman Logan

Uh, they did, right away.


33 posted on 12/07/2007 7:22:47 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Yeah, don’t you hate it when they call these pieces of offal “gentleman.” I realize they’re using it generically, and apparently don’t even know what it means, but they should.


34 posted on 12/07/2007 7:23:31 AM PST by ichabod1 ("Self defense is not only our right, it is our duty." President Ronald Reagan)
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To: somfphite
I heard she used the N word and spat on the kids...

I think it is immoral and bad for society to repeat such rumors unless you have good reason to believe they are likely true. Do you have a link for this information?

35 posted on 12/07/2007 7:23:41 AM PST by rogue yam
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To: somfphite

ooops should have been a ?


36 posted on 12/07/2007 7:24:12 AM PST by boomop1 (there you go again)
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To: Loyolas Mattman

I see they’re even spilling into Charles Co. Last election - DEMOCRAT!!!! The poison is spreading even more in our state! Used to be just Balto City, Monty Co and PG Co - that was enough to overrule the rest of the state. But now another old southern county has been taken over by welfare leftists!?


37 posted on 12/07/2007 7:26:42 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: rogue yam

Bus Attack A Hate Crime Or Provoked By Victim?
Friday, December 07, 2007
WBAL Radio and The Associated Press

Maryland Transit Administration Police are investigating Tuesday’s attack aboard a Baltimore bus as a hate crime.

Twenty-six-year-old Sarah Kreager suffered broken facial bones and other injuries after she was punched, kicked and dragged off the bus by nine middle school students. A man with Kreager, Troy Ellis, was also beaten.

Kreager and Ellis are white and the students are black.

Transit police say they have found no evidence that the attack was provoked. They continue to examine video from a surveillance camera on the bus.

But some City middle school students are disputing the police version of this week’s assault of a woman on an MTA bus.

The Examiner is reporting that some Poole Middle School students who were on the Number 27 bus at around 3 on Tuesday say the 26-year-old woman started the fight and used the “N” word.

The students say the woman and her boyfriend started the fight that left the woman with broken bones in her left eye socket and other injuries to her head.

One of students who rides that bus says the woman used the “N” word and punched one of the students riding the bus.

But that flies in the face of what the woman told MTA police.

The students are charged with aggravated assault and destruction of property. Police say the teens could face additional charges. Police have identified two additional victims, a third passenger and the bus driver.


38 posted on 12/07/2007 7:27:04 AM PST by somfphite (We gotta do it, cause no one else will!)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Sorry, hadn’t seen that.


39 posted on 12/07/2007 7:27:16 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
Apparently the parents aren’t too bright. What they should have claimed is that she used an “ethnic slur.”

See reply #2. I think the parents may be smarter than some of the people who will eventually post on this thread.

40 posted on 12/07/2007 7:28:03 AM PST by rogue yam
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To: somfphite

“Where is Al Sharphead?”

He and Jesse Jacka$$on are probably holding back until they find a way to turn this around and blame it on whitey.


41 posted on 12/07/2007 7:28:40 AM PST by RWB Patriot
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To: rogue yam

My big issue is with the unspoken assumption that use of the “N-word” justifies a violent response. This has become quite accepted in our society. It’s wrong. The appropriate response to words you dislike is more words, not violence.


42 posted on 12/07/2007 7:31:31 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: STONEWALLS

Baltimore is no better or worse than any big city. Some neighborhoods should be avoided...just like every other city. 800 block west 33rd street...I would not hesitate to go here. Right near Hopkins.


43 posted on 12/07/2007 7:32:13 AM PST by gate2wire
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To: poobear

No, the age relative to the schooling just tells you the kind of delinquents they are.


44 posted on 12/07/2007 7:32:26 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: STONEWALLS

...Baltimore is NOT a safe city....it is a violent place to be avoided....
___________

Chuckling a bit at the melodrama above.

Sorry - Baltimoron born and bred. Been here my whole life. Not to detract from the seriousness of this event (Ed Norris was all over this yesterday on his radio program), Baltimore is an extremely, major league dangerous city for those involved in the drug trade. Any look at the demographics and locations of the God awful number of murders that occur here can see that.

For those NOT involved in the drug trade as buyers or sellers, Baltimore is pretty much like any other big city. There are swaths of the city to be avoided, but there are a number of areas (Canton, Fells Point, Inner Harbor, Federal Hill, among others) that are really OK.

{Travel Brochure Mode OFF)


45 posted on 12/07/2007 7:32:34 AM PST by dmz
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To: JZelle
"A leading local transit advocate said yesterday that he generally agrees the MTA system is safe but said riders have come to dread certain bus runs called "trippers" that take city youths to and from school. The No. 27 bus on which Tuesday's assault occurred was such a run - with its starting point at the Poole school as classes let out."

Can't you just imagine what it is like inside Poole school??

46 posted on 12/07/2007 7:34:49 AM PST by chs68
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To: ichabod1

It happened again last week when I heard some other local scumbag crime story. Some idiot called the perp “gentleman”.

It POs me.

What’s really irritating is not that it’s used at all, but you NEVER hear that word used for other men in any other every-day discussion, on the street or on TV. But it’s sure common when talking about thugs!


47 posted on 12/07/2007 7:36:40 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: rogue yam

You were on that other thread. Go to that Examiner article and look at its “related articles”.


48 posted on 12/07/2007 7:37:30 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: somfphite
But that flies in the face of what the woman told MTA police.

It also flies in the face of anything resembling common sense.

What is the likelihood that a woman, even with a companion, would deliberately provoke a large group of teens in a situation where escape would be difficult at best? I'd say that it's vanishingly small.

49 posted on 12/07/2007 7:39:29 AM PST by Bob
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To: Sherman Logan

Exactly. I heard about this more just this morning (that the oh-so-horrid “N-word” was thrown out) and have the same view. This justifies GANGING UP on someONE and beating the tar out of them?

Read the last sentence/quote of this very article for some insight into this whole idea.

I’m sick & tired of this being treated as the very worst crime you can ever do (oops, except maybe drawing a “noose”).


50 posted on 12/07/2007 7:40:44 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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