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Stupid Intelligence
Front Page Magazine ^ | Friday, December 07, 2007 | Alan M. Dershowitz

Posted on 12/07/2007 8:58:47 AM PST by MizSterious

Stupid Intelligence

By Alan M. Dershowitz
FrontPageMagazine.com | Friday, December 07, 2007

The recent national intelligence estimate that concluded that Iran halted its nuclear weapons program in 2003 is just about the stupidest intelligence assessment I have ever read. It falls hook, line and sinker for a transparent bait and switch tactic employed not only by Iran, but by several other nuclear powers in the past.

The tactic is obvious and well-known to all intelligence officials with an IQ above room temperature. It goes like this: There are two tracks to making nuclear weapons: One is to conduct research and develop technology directly related to military use. That is what the United States did when it developed the atomic bomb during the Manhattan Project. The second track is to develop nuclear technology for civilian use and then to use the civilian technology for military purposes.


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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: ahmadinejad; alandershowitz; dershowitz; intelligence; iran; iraniannukes; irannukes; nie; nuclear; nucleariran; nukes; roguestatedept

1 posted on 12/07/2007 8:58:48 AM PST by MizSterious
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Thought this one might interest you...


2 posted on 12/07/2007 9:05:08 AM PST by MizSterious (Deport all the illegals to sanctuary cities.)
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To: MizSterious

Dershowitz isn’t bad for a Clinton defending liberal


3 posted on 12/07/2007 9:05:49 AM PST by Captain Pike
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To: MizSterious

D is absolutely correct. Iran with all that enriched uranium, which they are “hiding” in plain sight, is a significant threat to the United States and our allies.


4 posted on 12/07/2007 9:09:27 AM PST by Williams
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To: MizSterious
"this report may well go down in history as one of the most dangerous, misguided and counterproductive intelligence assessments in history."

I think this statement underestimates the left's hatred of GWB and those who support him. I'm sure this report can be topped. :-)

5 posted on 12/07/2007 9:13:33 AM PST by Falcon4.0
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To: Williams

It is srange to see Alan lining up with the President. Who’s agenda is Alan pushing here?


6 posted on 12/07/2007 9:18:59 AM PST by nederlan
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To: nederlan
“It is strange to see Alan lining up with the President. Who’s agenda is Alan pushing here?”

America’s agenda.

I don’f often agree with Alan, but he does recognize that Iran is a real threat. To attribute that to some other secret hidden agenda is asinine.

Your comment is even more blindly stupid than NIE’s assessment. Go back to DU where you belong.

7 posted on 12/07/2007 9:25:24 AM PST by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country)
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To: nederlan
It is srange to see Alan lining up with the President. Who’s agenda is Alan pushing here?

Apparently, even some libs don't like the idea of fallout in their pool.

8 posted on 12/07/2007 9:26:39 AM PST by polymuser (In the twinkling of an eye...)
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To: nederlan

The fact is that Dershowitz is a staunch supporter of Israel, and a supporter of an aggressive war on terror. o while he is disgustingly liberal on many issues, he has, for example, supported the use of torture against terroorists in order to thwart their plans. Plus he’s just right on this, Iran is a threat and Iran with enriched uranium is a huge threat.


9 posted on 12/07/2007 9:27:34 AM PST by Williams
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To: nederlan
“It is srange to see Alan lining up with the President. Who’s agenda is Alan pushing here?”

Sorry for the necessity of posting again but in my haste to point out your most obvious bias, I neglected to mention that you have joined FR just today. Is that so you can start your own misinformation campaign. DU is where you came from and DU is where you belong.

10 posted on 12/07/2007 9:29:45 AM PST by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country)
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To: MizSterious
There is a third track as well - purchase them from someone insane enough to sell them.

The Iranians may well be playing this out the slow, reliable way - enrich uranium and wait until you have enough for an entire program's worth of devices, not just one "here I am" shot. With uranium you can construct simpler gun-and-target designs. If I were trying this under the nose of international observation that's how I'd to it. But I'd try purchasing materials at the same time.

11 posted on 12/07/2007 9:33:59 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: All

In the several decades during the run up to the war in Iraq, France under Chirac, either as PM or Pres, made scores of billions selling Hussein dual use technology and equipment, which could be put to use for peaceful industrial purposes, or for military weaponry. The trade was based on Hussein’s assertion that the stuff bought was for peaceful purposes. French commercial interests, in addition to simple greed on Chirac’s part, motivated the trade.

With this NIE, it appears the door may be opened to similar commerce with Iran, as long as it is “guaranteed” that the materials and technology sold is for peaceful nuclear energy. I wonder if American Bernard Schwartz-like personalities and businesses weren’t a force behing the estimate?


12 posted on 12/07/2007 9:52:52 AM PST by DPMD
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To: MizSterious

Dersh for SecState!


13 posted on 12/07/2007 9:59:18 AM PST by Hawthorn
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To: MizSterious
Seems like a good day to talk about the result of bad intelligence.
14 posted on 12/07/2007 9:59:53 AM PST by CrazyIvan (If you read only one book this year, read "Stolen Valor".)
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To: nederlan

Welcome to FR! - even tho’ you’re either a fool or a troll.


15 posted on 12/07/2007 10:11:03 AM PST by green iguana
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To: Williams

I believe, although my memory may be faulty on this point, that Dershowitz also holds correct views re the Second Amendment as well as the mutually supportive relationship between government (the State) and religion, broadly construed, that the First Amendment prescribes.


16 posted on 12/07/2007 10:11:07 AM PST by Elsiejay
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To: MizSterious
The Dersh is right. Its an ESTIMATE - GUESSWORK - for crying out loud. There is no reason to trust the peaceful professions of Iran's leaders. A nuclear armed Iran is a mortal threat to our own survival.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

17 posted on 12/07/2007 10:13:22 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: nederlan

Dershowitz is one of a number of prominent liberals who have broken ranks to oppose the global jihad. Christopher Hitchens is another.
Given the nature and magnitude of the threat, it is a remarkable demonstration of the power of the 60s anti-war meme that more don’t do so.
At least during the Vietnam war, the enemy were communists, so lefties were only being consistent (if depraved) in siding with them. Today, nothing but cultural inertia seems to drive the liberal anti-war meme.


18 posted on 12/07/2007 10:17:56 AM PST by atomic conspiracy (Rousing the blog-rabble since 9-11-01)
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To: MizSterious

I love the opening line.


19 posted on 12/07/2007 10:36:26 AM PST by karnage
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To: Hawthorn

Easy there big fella...


20 posted on 12/07/2007 10:37:35 AM PST by karnage
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To: MizSterious

Thanks....


21 posted on 12/07/2007 11:05:21 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: atomic conspiracy; MizSterious
A Must Read:

Unholy Alliance :
Radical Islam and the American Left (Hardcover)
by David Horowitz

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Vastly Illuminating, September 25, 2004

Reviewer: Kat Bakhu (Albuquerque, NM United States) - See all my reviews
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I had long wondered why people on the Left had the propensity to speak more positively about people who would slit their throats than they do about their own country, which affords them more freedom and opportunity than anywhere else. David Horowitz has answered that question thoroughly and convincingly in his Unholy Alliance. Where I felt bewildered and confused, I now feel crystal clear. Unholy Alliance is such a great book.

It begins with the leftist movements at the beginning of the 20th Century, and works its way up to the present day, exploring the anti-American attitude of these movements in detail. Horowitz shows that the enemies of the US back then are largely the same group today, operating under the same misperceptions, making the same mistakes, and pursuing the same impossible utopia.

Individual chapters are included on the Patriot Act (I was persuaded that it is a GOOD thing); the democratic flip-flop on Iraq once G.W. Bush implemented what they agreed with Clinton needed to be done; the driving components of the current anti-war movement; as well as chapters on individual personalities who are major spokespeople of the Left. Horowitz covers a lot of ground, and he covers it concisely and clearly. Unholy Alliance is richly informative without ever being boring or plodding.

This book is so illuminating that I simply cannot do justice to it here. I love people who reason so clearly that they help me get my own reasoning clear. Horowitz is just that type of person! In the terrain of mindless clichés (no-blood-for-oil, etc.), he is a breath of real fresh air.

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22 posted on 12/07/2007 11:42:28 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: All
Another review from Amazon:

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5.0 out of 5 stars As gruesome as the Nazi-Soviet pact, May 14, 2005

By  Joburgpete "irridium" (Johannesburg) - See all my reviews
(TOP 50 REVIEWER)   
In this revealing work, Horowitz explores the hellish marriage between IslamoFascists and the highly networked American Left. These ideologues who once sided with the USSR and other repressive communist regimes have now wholeheartedly embraced radical Islam.

The agenda emanates from the extreme left but the influence extends far beyond, also encompassing liberal discourse and the mass media. It seems that this radical agenda has now succeeded in capturing the heart and soul of the Democratic Party.

Unholy Alliance exposes and dissects the Left in fine detail, seeking for answers to why it has made an alliance with a reactionary and oppressive religious ideology. Also why it tried to undermine the War on Terror by opposing the liberation of Afghanistan and Iraq. The fracture of the consensus in American politics is another topic discussed here.

Part One, A Defining Moment, takes the investigation from 9/11, the response of the Administration, and the Left's response to that. It shows how the Left declared war on the War on Terror and started organising demonstrations long before any action was taken, becoming the vanguard for Saddam and the Jihad terrorists.

Part Two explores the Mind of the Left in a series that includes communist forerunners, the transition after the collapse of communism, the New Left, the Utopian Idea, the Nihilist Left and the Anti-American Cult. Throughout the book, prominent personalities are highlighted. Among them is Noam Chomsky, discussed with reference to a New Yorker profile where this nasty professor's malice and distortion of historical facts are pointed out. Chomsky's less strident but equally deceptive intellectual twin Howard Zinn also features. His plodding bestseller A People's History of the USA is a prime example of anti-American propaganda.

The main areas of Leftist infestation today are academia, the mass media, literary circles and Hollywood. There is a powerful fisking of Norman Mailer and his detestable piece about 9/11 for the New York Review of Books.

Part Three takes a closer look at the alliance with radical Islam and how it operates. It is shown to be an update of the Nazi-Communist entente. The introduction of communist thought and methods into Islam began with the Khomeini revolution in Iran. The last decade saw the Islamic transformation of the Palestinian struggle, which was completed by year 2000.

Chapter 16, The New Radicalism, revisits the UN's Conference Against Racism in Durban, South Africa. This is where an array of dictators and tyrants met for a freakshow to condemn the West and where the Nihilist Left first showed its true colours. Israel, the USA and the UK were the only countries attacked by a bunch of the most oppressive regimes including Sudan and Zimbabwe. The atmosphere was moreover permeated with Jew hatred.

This conference brought together the radical Islamists with American NGO's and other Leftist organisations. The Ford Foundation funded it. Months later this coalition would re-emerge as a global movement against the War on Terror. From it also sprang the World Social Forum that first met in Brazil in 2001, another organisation dedicated to anti-capitalist nihilism.

Parts 4 looks at the War at Home by discussing the Anti-War protests and revealing by whom they were funded and organized. Homeland Security and the assault on the Patriot Act are further subjects. Part 5, A Nation Divided, demonstrates how the Democratic Party shifted from supporting Operation Iraqi Freedom to becoming vicious opponents using tactics unprecedented in a time of war. The transformation happened in a few months, as revealed by the words of people like Al Gore and Jimmy Carter.

The chapter Anti-War Democrats indicates how prominent leftists have achieved power in the Democratic Party. The epilogue deals with the 2004 presidential campaign, providing plenty of damning evidence from the rhetoric and tactics of the Kerry side. Horowitz concludes with the observation that there are now Two Americas that matter: An America that embraces its heritage and vision, and an America that has seceded from both.

Unholy Alliance demonstrates convincingly that the American Left today is far more dangerous than loony. The book concludes with 34 pages of notes and a thorough index. I also recommend The Anti-Chomsky Reader by Horowitz and Collier, The New Anti-Semitism by Phyllis Chesler, The Death Of Right And Wrong by Tammy Bruce, Eurabia by Bat Ye'or and Anti-Americanism by Jean-Francois Revel.
23 posted on 12/07/2007 11:48:08 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: MizSterious; SierraWasp; All; blam; SunkenCiv; NormsRevenge; kellynla; onyx; Brad's Gramma; ...

fyi...


24 posted on 12/07/2007 11:50:34 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: MizSterious
Related thread:

BBC: Iran a threat, say Europe allies

25 posted on 12/07/2007 11:52:15 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: dervish; Fred Nerks

fyi


26 posted on 12/07/2007 11:59:25 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: MizSterious
Another related thread:

Bush Drops Military Option, Tehran Slams Door on Diplomacy

27 posted on 12/07/2007 12:01:57 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: nederlan
Re: Iranian Nukes [Cliff May]

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Monday, December 03, 2007

Re: Iranian Nukes   [Cliff May]

Jonah, the purpose of this NIE is to prevent Bush from using military force during the remainder of his term  to destroy Iran's nuclear weapons program.

A friend, formerly at the CIA, tells me that while this NIE


does confirm Iran was pursuing nuclear weapons in 2002 and 2003, its conclusions that as to why it may have stopped the program and why this halt may have continued are debateable and speculation.  These KJs [Key Judgments] have too much political spin. This assessment was strongly influenced by two hyper-partisan anti-Bush officials who oversaw it, both former State officials who fought tooth and nail against Bush WMD policies, especially Iran. 


28 posted on 12/07/2007 12:04:41 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: nederlan
And:

Iran Halted Nuclear Weapons Production in 2003? How Convenient!

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For those interested here is the actual report (well caveated). H/T Kevin Drum.

Major Addendum - Must Read!: There is a reason people outside of government should realize that they cannot simply glance at a government report and pretend to grasp it. Government jargon is as complex and nuanced as that in any scientific field. It takes years to truly master. So why am I not surprised all the amateurs are misreading the report? Here is what is said about the three levels of confidence in the reported findings:

• High confidence generally indicates that our judgments are based on high-quality information, and/or that the nature of the issue makes it possible to render a solid judgment. A “high confidence” judgment is not a fact or a certainty, however, and such judgments still carry a risk of being wrong.

• Moderate confidence generally means that the information is credibly sourced and plausible but not of sufficient quality or corroborated sufficiently to warrant a higher level of confidence.

• Low confidence generally means that the information’s credibility and/or plausibility is questionable, or that the information is too fragmented or poorly corroborated to make solid analytic inferences, or that we have significant concerns or problems with the sources.

Read these VERY CAREFULLY to understand the conclusions. They basically fall into (1) Highly probably but small chance it could be wrong; (2) Who the hell knows, its possible and some hints are there; and (3) Not likely. With only three levels this is all you get. So anything in the Medium Confidence category is really a guess.

Now look at the report’s conclusions and it has two flavors. First is whether Iran stepped down from developing nuclear weapons in 2003 (after we invaded Iraq [hint, hint]):

We judge with high confidence that in fall 2003, Tehran halted its nuclear weapons program;

• We assess with high confidence that until fall 2003, Iranian military entities were working under government direction to develop nuclear weapons.

• We judge with high confidence that the halt lasted at least several years.

OK, we spooked them by taking out Saddam so damn fast they stood back for a while from building their bombs. But are they STILL suspended in their activities (given Ahmedinejad’s and the UN’s IAEA’s recent statements this is an important question!). Apparently we do not know!

We assess with moderate confidence Tehran had not restarted its nuclear weapons program as of mid-2007, but we do not know whether it currently intends to develop nuclear weapons.

The NIE is quite clear. We know they stopped, we have no intel on whether they are still stopped or not. The reporting that Iran has stopped as of now is not accurate. Here is the scary part - Iran is still processing fuel! They don’t NEED to process fuel for Nuclear Energy. Russia has offered to SELL THEM fuel if they return the spent fuel so it cannot be used to make weapons. Note this when reading this next finding:

C. We assess centrifuge enrichment is how Iran probably could first produce enough fissile material for a weapon, if it decides to do so. Iran resumed its declared centrifuge enrichment activities in January 2006, despite the continued halt in the nuclear weapons program. Iran made significant progress in 2007 installing centrifuges at Natanz, but we judge with moderate confidence it still faces significant technical problems operating them.

And there are more indicators Iran has simply decided to proceed with technology that is dual use - civilian and military - as a way to hide their intentions. Note that the NIE concludes with confidence Iran wants nuclear weapons. And one way to proceed is to do so under the cover of dual use programs:

D. Iranian entities are continuing to develop a range of technical capabilities that could be applied to producing nuclear weapons, if a decision is made to do so. For example, Iran’s civilian uranium enrichment program is continuing. We also assess with high confidence that since fall 2003, Iran has been conducting research and development projects with commercial and conventional military applications—some of which would also be of limited use for nuclear weapons.

The fact is this is not the slam-dunk assessment it is reported to be. The centrifuges are the key. With Russia’s offer on the table to provide civil energy ready fuel the centrifuges are not needed for Iran’s civil energy needs. But the NIE is confident this unnecessary effort is continuing? Why is it continuing? Folks, they just don’t know for sure and that is the bottom line. They know it was stopped in 2003, but they don’t know if it has been restarted under dual use cover.

Posted by AJStrata on Monday, December 3rd, 2007 at 1:52 pm.

29 posted on 12/07/2007 12:08:58 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: MizSterious
I am dropping a lot of stuff on your thread...hope that is OK...but it has such a great title....

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Now this from the Strata Sphere Blog:

Israel Takes On NIE

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Oh boy, are the sparks (and the pink slips and possibly the indictments) going to be flying soon in DC! Israel is hosting a meeting to present to the Joint Chiefs of Staff their hard evidence Iran is still working on nuclear weapons:

Disappointed after failing to make their case on Iran and influence the outcome of the United States’s National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) released this week, Military Intelligence will present its hard core evidence on the Islamic Republic’s nuclear program on Sunday to the chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff during a rare visit he will be making to Israel.

Admiral Michael Mullen will land in Israel Sunday morning for a 24-hour visit that will include a one-on-one meeting with IDF Chief of General Staff Lt.-Gen. Gabi Ashkenazi, as well as with Defense Minister Ehud Barak.

Mullen’s visit to Israel will be exactly a week after the publication of the NIE report that claimed Iran had frozen its nuclear military program in 2003 and has yet to restart it. During his visit, Military Intelligence plans to present him with Israel’s evidence that Iran is in fact developing nuclear weapons.

“The report clearly shows that we did not succeed in making our case over the past year in the run-up to this report,” a defense official said Thursday. “Mullen’s visit is an opportunity to try and fix that.”

What is also clear is - beyond the fact the NIE was not a consensus that Iran continues to suspend their illegal and unreported nuclear weapons program - that the NIE dismissed views and inputs from non-US intelligence agencies. I would not be surprised if France and the UK intelligence ALSO disagree with the NIE.

You don’t try one of these kinds of meetings with the top brass without having a bullet proof case. The IDF is basically circumventing normal channels through the US Intelligence Community and the State Department diplomats to send a clear message. I don’t think I have ever seen anything like this before! And if the do prove the NIE is all spin then there will be an eruption back here in DC. Count on it. We do live in interesting times.

30 posted on 12/07/2007 12:15:47 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: MizSterious

No lie or truth should be allowed to get in the way of going to war with Iran. Not one.


31 posted on 12/07/2007 12:39:14 PM PST by Dumb_Ox (http://kevinjjones.blogspot.com)
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To: atomic conspiracy

Dershowitz is Jewish, and may have relatives or friends living in Israel, or may just be appalled by the thought that the Iranians may soon have the ability to vaporize several million Jews. Other liberals are too obsessed with their hatred of the Bush administration to think that far ahead.


32 posted on 12/07/2007 12:44:38 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: dirtymac

Welcome to FreeRepublic dirtymac.


33 posted on 12/07/2007 12:56:59 PM PST by quant5
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To: Verginius Rufus
From the Left:

LA Times: Doves find fault with Iran report too

34 posted on 12/07/2007 1:07:45 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Unfortunately President Bush appeared to endorse the report’s findings, so those who are skeptical will be marginalized. Just like he accepted the Scooter Libby verdict as if it was an honest judgment.


35 posted on 12/07/2007 1:30:35 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus

Did he really endorse the findings...or is it just that the Media wants to portray him as endorsing the findings/....?


36 posted on 12/07/2007 1:39:12 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: girlangler

In case you haven’t seen this one—plus Ernest At The Beach has some great links to other articles.


37 posted on 12/07/2007 2:05:25 PM PST by MizSterious (Deport all the illegals to sanctuary cities.)
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To: MizSterious

btt


38 posted on 12/07/2007 2:10:59 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: MizSterious

Thanks MS, I’m bookmarking these.


39 posted on 12/07/2007 2:30:45 PM PST by girlangler (Fish Fear Me)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I just recall a short clip of him on TV the other day, where he seemed to be accepting it...if he said anything about reserving judgment, I missed it. He should listen to John Bolton’s warnings.


40 posted on 12/07/2007 2:36:16 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: nederlan

It is srange to see Alan lining up with the President.

Alan is supporting Israel, not the President. I don’t agree with him on much but I do appreciate his support of Israel. It has nothing to do with Bush.


41 posted on 12/07/2007 2:41:32 PM PST by Joan Kerrey (Believe nothing of what you hear or read and half of what you see.)
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To: MizSterious
Menwhile ...from Gateway pundit:

Friday, December 07, 2007
Ahmadinejad Says Iran Needs 50,000 Centrifuges- Up From 3,000

42 posted on 12/07/2007 3:04:09 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: MizSterious
One more...from Flopping Aces:

The Push Back On the Iran NIE

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Senate Republicans are planning to call for a congressional commission to investigate the conclusions of the new National Intelligence Estimate on Iran as well as the specific intelligence that went into it, according to congressional sources.

The move is the first official challenge, but it comes amid growing backlash from conservatives and neoconservatives unhappy about the assessment that Iran halted a clandestine nuclear weapons program four years ago. It reflects how quickly the NIE has become politicized, with critics even going after the analysts who wrote it, and shows a split among Republicans.
   
Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.) said he plans to introduce legislation next week to establish a commission modeled on a congressionally mandated group that probed a disputed 1995 intelligence estimate on the emerging missile threat to the United States over the next 15 years.

43 posted on 12/07/2007 3:14:04 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: MizSterious

Maybe Israel “ain’t” buying this bs.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1936399/posts

Israel Considering Strike On Iran Despite US Intelligence Report
The Guardian (UK) ^ | 12-7-2007 | Rory McCarthy

Posted on 12/07/2007 3:43:43 PM PST by blam

Israel considering strike on Iran despite US intelligence report


44 posted on 12/07/2007 4:26:01 PM PST by Grampa Dave ("Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!"- Jim Robinson, Sept, 30, 2007)
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To: MizSterious

“Ahmadinejad is harmless” bump


45 posted on 12/07/2007 5:00:39 PM PST by Dajjal
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks E for the ping. Bit under the weather of lately. But simply put.
And perhaps many of us at this site and abroad would echo similar reaction.
The Shiite Islamic Revolutionary government of Iran cannot be trusted period. They are IMHO the epitome of deceit. They will do whatever is required in their capacity as a regional power to effect conditions that favor their agenda.
And clearly their agenda is to gain sufficient influence in the mid-east to gain a future long term economic, religious, and ideological framework along with their connections with Syria to shift the power balance in favor of a Muslim Shiite lead rule.
They will do whatever it takes to shift the balance of power in whatever form it takes, from a dominant Sunni Arabic influence, to a more Persian Shiite lead rule.

46 posted on 12/07/2007 8:37:29 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Duncan Hunter for POTUS)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Fred Nerks; KlueLass; ...

Thanks Ernest for this ping, and this pointer:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1936004/posts


47 posted on 12/07/2007 8:54:30 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Friday, December 7, 2007_____________________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; MizSterious

Dersh gets the current threat.

And David Horowitz always makes room for the American loving left.


48 posted on 12/07/2007 10:07:45 PM PST by dervish (Pray for the peace of an UNDIVIDED JEWISH Jerusalem)
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To: MizSterious

Untold human suffering lay somewhere ahead on the road we now travel.


49 posted on 12/08/2007 12:29:09 PM PST by fso301
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