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Montana National Guard (Help!)
12/7/07 | bear_slayer

Posted on 12/07/2007 1:47:58 PM PST by Bear_Slayer

I joined the MT National Guard last month.

I was supposed to drill tomorrow, but they changed it for me to tonight.

I just got my uniforms 10 minutes ago.

The patches were rubber-banded together. I'm not sure which patch goes where.

I have two for my last name and 1 that says "US Army"

I also have a circular, which looks something like a sunburst over a mountain top. I'm not sure though and as far as I can tell it could be up-side down.

I don't want to look like a dork!

Can anyone help me?


TOPICS: US: Montana; Your Opinion/Questions
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and don't go pulling my chain.
1 posted on 12/07/2007 1:47:59 PM PST by Bear_Slayer
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To: Bear_Slayer

Have you tried a web search on “Montana National Guard” to see if you can get images of men wearing the uniforms, showing the patch placements?


2 posted on 12/07/2007 1:51:22 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Bear_Slayer

Google AR 670-1, it’s available online.


3 posted on 12/07/2007 1:52:27 PM PST by SFC Chromey (We are at war with Islamofascists inside and outside our borders, now ACT LIKE IT!)
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To: Bear_Slayer

I think you should just wear your uniform as-is and report to your company First Sergeant for advice. I’m sure he’ll square you away.


4 posted on 12/07/2007 1:52:52 PM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: SFC Chromey

Thanks!


5 posted on 12/07/2007 1:53:55 PM PST by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty.)
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To: Bear_Slayer

I’m going to sleep soundly knowing that the safety on our country rests in the hands of crack troops like yourself.


6 posted on 12/07/2007 1:54:17 PM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Bear_Slayer

I guess it won’t work to tell you the patches go on your underwear then.

(Good luck, congratulations, and thank you for your service from a grateful American and former resident of Bozeman).


7 posted on 12/07/2007 1:54:35 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (If Rudy's an influential conservative, then I'm an award winning concert pianist.)
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To: SFC Chromey

.. and only 362 pages :!

http://www.usapa.army.mil/pdffiles/r670_1.pdf


8 posted on 12/07/2007 1:54:37 PM PST by Syberyenta
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To: Non-Sequitur

LOL, you gotta start somewhere.


9 posted on 12/07/2007 1:54:55 PM PST by SFC Chromey (We are at war with Islamofascists inside and outside our borders, now ACT LIKE IT!)
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To: The KG9 Kid
Talk about setting someone up for failure. How can you sleep at night?

LOL

10 posted on 12/07/2007 1:55:49 PM PST by GreenOgre (mohammed is the false prophet of a false god.)
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To: Bear_Slayer

Do you have the ACU or BDU uniform?


11 posted on 12/07/2007 1:56:02 PM PST by SFC Chromey (We are at war with Islamofascists inside and outside our borders, now ACT LIKE IT!)
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To: Bear_Slayer
US Army goes over your left pocket, your name goes over your right. The circular patch goes at the top of your left sleeve (shoulder). I'm not familiar with the actual patch but would be very surprised it's worn any way but with the sun coming up over the mountains.

Having said all that I'd be very surprised if anybody gave you any real grief if you show up without the patches sewn on and explain the situation.

Good luck in the Guard.

12 posted on 12/07/2007 1:56:30 PM PST by caltrop
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To: Bear_Slayer
Can’t help you out there Bear-Slayer, but wanted to wish you the best at your new endeavor. As someone born and raised in Montana my heart is often there, as opposed to LA where I presently live. Good luck to you. Will be home for Christmas :-) and glad to know a FReeper will be on guard as they say. Take care!
13 posted on 12/07/2007 1:58:11 PM PST by GOP Poet
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To: SFC Chromey

I don’t know the technical differences.


14 posted on 12/07/2007 1:59:26 PM PST by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty.)
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To: GreenOgre
No matter how bad he gets it, I've been through 1000 times worse.

So, how bad could it be?

15 posted on 12/07/2007 1:59:35 PM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: SFC Chromey

I was standing inport OOD watch one day when a new officer reported aboard straight from OCS. It was summer and he was in his whites. I had to ask him if he had slept through the class on uniform regs because he had his shoulder boards on upside down. It happens all over.


16 posted on 12/07/2007 2:00:13 PM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Bear_Slayer
They have the sunburst on the montanaguard site:


17 posted on 12/07/2007 2:00:48 PM PST by PrivateIdaho ("... like a wild potato.")
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To: Bear_Slayer

Thank you for serving!


18 posted on 12/07/2007 2:01:35 PM PST by lonevoice (It's always "Apologize to a Muslim Hour"...somewhere)
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To: Bear_Slayer

ACU= light green and tan digital camo pattern
BDU= olive green, black, brown, known as woodland camo pattern

ACU has velcro patches, while BDU must be sewn on.


19 posted on 12/07/2007 2:01:48 PM PST by SFC Chromey (We are at war with Islamofascists inside and outside our borders, now ACT LIKE IT!)
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To: Bear_Slayer

Oh, and let me also say thank you for your service.


20 posted on 12/07/2007 2:02:33 PM PST by Syberyenta
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To: SFC Chromey

I have the ACU uniform. THe newer style with the grainer type camo print.


21 posted on 12/07/2007 2:03:01 PM PST by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty.)
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To: caltrop
I'm not familiar with the actual patch but would be very surprised it's worn any way but with the sun coming up over the mountains.

:) It is often the seemingly nondescript sentence in a paragraph that makes me smile or laugh. Nice touch.

22 posted on 12/07/2007 2:03:12 PM PST by GOP Poet
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To: Bear_Slayer

God bless you for serving (and please make sure you only slay the bad bears, not the good ones ;-)


23 posted on 12/07/2007 2:04:04 PM PST by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: Bear_Slayer

God Bless you all for your service.


24 posted on 12/07/2007 2:06:21 PM PST by Baladas
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To: Bear_Slayer

Name goes on right side, U.S. ARMY goes on the left side, rank goes on square in middle, unit patch goes on the left sleeve pocket centered on the lower velcro area, and the U.S. flag goes on the right sleeve centered on the upper velcro area.

An NCO will be happy to correct you if you get it wrong.


25 posted on 12/07/2007 2:09:50 PM PST by fireforeffect (A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
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To: Bear_Slayer

Lucky you otherwise you’d be stitching them on as we type!

As noted US ARMY above, goes over left pocket, name tape goes over right pocket. Did they give you a US Flag? If so, that goes on left sleeve pocket flap. Your unit patch will go on right sleeve pocket. Not on the pocket flap, but the main pocket itself.


26 posted on 12/07/2007 2:10:53 PM PST by SFC Chromey (We are at war with Islamofascists inside and outside our borders, now ACT LIKE IT!)
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To: Bear_Slayer

http://www.armyg1.army.mil/hr/uniform/default.asp

That site contains an interactive diagram showing you the proper wear of the ACU.

Congratulations on joining the ARNG. I recently came back into the USAR after a 15 year break in service. The ACU and beret were totally new to me also.

Do well, and thanks for your service.


27 posted on 12/07/2007 2:13:41 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: SFC Chromey

I did not get the US flag or a unit patch.

I received the MT Guard patch. My name patch and the US Army patch.


28 posted on 12/07/2007 2:14:15 PM PST by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty.)
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To: Bear_Slayer

Only on Free Reopublic.


29 posted on 12/07/2007 2:15:28 PM PST by squarebarb
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To: Bear_Slayer

That’s Republic. And remember that, private.


30 posted on 12/07/2007 2:15:54 PM PST by squarebarb
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To: Sola Veritas
I came into the ARNG after an 18 year break from the USN.
31 posted on 12/07/2007 2:17:15 PM PST by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty.)
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To: Bear_Slayer
Looks like the sunburst goes on your left shoulder:

Got that photo from this page: link

32 posted on 12/07/2007 2:18:38 PM PST by PrivateIdaho ("... like a wild potato.")
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To: squarebarb
I have met some of the greatest people on Free Reopublic.

I can always trust that I'll get a good answer from these people.

33 posted on 12/07/2007 2:18:48 PM PST by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty.)
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To: SFC Chromey

Correction! Typing from work and not doing the visual too well! The US Flag on right pocket flap, unit patch on left main pocket.


34 posted on 12/07/2007 2:22:00 PM PST by SFC Chromey (We are at war with Islamofascists inside and outside our borders, now ACT LIKE IT!)
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To: Sola Veritas

Funny thing is this site say “Right Upper Body” then shows the left sleeve and chest.

It is the ‘right’ side when you are looking at it, but not when you are wearing it.


35 posted on 12/07/2007 2:24:40 PM PST by SFC Chromey (We are at war with Islamofascists inside and outside our borders, now ACT LIKE IT!)
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To: Bear_Slayer

“I came into the ARNG after an 18 year break from the USN.”

Small world isn’t it? I was enlisted USN 1972-1976 & USNR 1976-1978. Then commissioned service in the ARNG & USAR 1982 to 1993. I was reappointed to my last commissioned rank in the USAR this year - I want that 20 year letter and to finish serving.

When I went from being ex-Navy to ARNG it was quite a difference; especially when I had to go to a regular army school for six months of specialty training.

I still have trouble calling the “head” a “latrine.” Also, I still catch myself saying “belay that” when I want to change a directive I’ve given instead of “as you were.”


36 posted on 12/07/2007 2:32:10 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Bear_Slayer

Thank you for joining up. Good luck and thank you for this wonderful moment of levity.


37 posted on 12/07/2007 2:33:07 PM PST by HChampagne (I am not an AARP member and never will be.)
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To: SFC Chromey

“Funny thing is this site say “Right Upper Body” then shows the left sleeve and chest.”

It’s from G-1, what do you expect? :-)


38 posted on 12/07/2007 2:33:21 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: PrivateIdaho

Good find — thanks.


39 posted on 12/07/2007 2:33:53 PM PST by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty.)
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To: Bear_Slayer

Thank You for your service.


40 posted on 12/07/2007 2:38:03 PM PST by Frobenius
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To: Bear_Slayer

Please don’t take this the wrong way, but haven’t you been to Basic Training already?


41 posted on 12/07/2007 2:39:05 PM PST by tlj18 (Keep your eye on China, they are our #1 enemy....)
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To: tlj18

“Please don’t take this the wrong way, but haven’t you been to Basic Training already?”

Give him a break. :-) He is prior service in another branch - USN. I’ve been in his shoes.


42 posted on 12/07/2007 2:41:08 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Non-Sequitur

I’m going to sleep soundly knowing that the safety on our country rests in the hands of crack troops like yourself.

***
What a nasty, snide thing to say. I salute this gentleman for serving his country. None of us was born knowing everything, and this process sounds very confusing. At least he had the good sense to ask for help.


43 posted on 12/07/2007 2:43:40 PM PST by Bigg Red (Duncan Hunter in 2008!)
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To: Bear_Slayer

I hope that showing up on your first day with the National Guard with oddly placed patches is the worst thing that ever happens to you as a Guardsman. :o)


44 posted on 12/07/2007 2:43:47 PM PST by ChocChipCookie (Homeschool like your kids' lives depend on it.)
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To: Bear_Slayer

If you got a post laundry place, take them there.. they might charge you a couple bucks, but they always did my patches right on the spot..


45 posted on 12/07/2007 2:44:27 PM PST by dwntmpo (Talking to a republican about peak oil, is like talking to a democrat about islamic terrorism.)
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To: Sola Veritas

Well, I don’t know how the National Guard works (I’m Active Duty), but as I understand it, if you want to join the Army and you’re from another branch, you have to attend the 4-week Warrior Transition Course first. I would imagine that would apply for prior service - maybe. I think if you leave the Army for more than five years, you have to re-do Basic Training. Which is understandable - but that would suck.


46 posted on 12/07/2007 2:44:44 PM PST by tlj18 (Keep your eye on China, they are our #1 enemy....)
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To: Bear_Slayer

I cannot offer you any answers, but please accept my heartfelt gratitude for your service. God bless you.


47 posted on 12/07/2007 2:46:04 PM PST by Bigg Red (Duncan Hunter in 2008!)
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To: dwntmpo

If you got a post laundry place, take them there.. they might charge you a couple bucks, but they always did my patches right on the spot..


A couple of bucks to attach some velcro patches? Highway robbery I say!

just kidding.


48 posted on 12/07/2007 2:48:28 PM PST by SFC Chromey (We are at war with Islamofascists inside and outside our borders, now ACT LIKE IT!)
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To: Bigg Red

“What a nasty, snide thing to say. I salute this gentleman for serving his country. None of us was born knowing everything, and this process sounds very confusing. At least he had the good sense to ask for help.”

Very well said! I salute him also and again thank him for coming to the aid of his country (quite literally).

Oh BTW, Bearslayer - Don’t let anyone put you down for being in the ARNG. The reserve component is serving just as much as the active component is. Our blood is just as red. Actually, it is getting hard to distinguish the active from the reserves.


49 posted on 12/07/2007 2:48:45 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: SFC Chromey

they’re velcro now?


50 posted on 12/07/2007 2:49:04 PM PST by dwntmpo (Talking to a republican about peak oil, is like talking to a democrat about islamic terrorism.)
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