Skip to comments.Please help with John Kerry's war record disclosure?
Posted on 12/07/2007 4:41:44 PM PST by Conservababe
I am in a debate with people who know nothing about Kerry's refusal to release his war records. What is the technical name for this disclosure?
SF 180 (Standard Form 180) he must sign it and it authories the release of his complete personnel and medical files.
Is this a military form or for all medical information? The debate is whether he really earned his purple hearts.
Should be a slam dunk then!
I believe the SF 180, which he has never signed, releases the entirety of his records, medical and otherwise.
My understanding is he did not refuse to release his records, he chose to release them exclusively to a friendly reporter who reviewed them and assured us everything is fine.
Kerry signed a released, but did not release the information to the public like he promised. The release was limited to one very friendly journalist in Boston. Kerry has lied and continues to hide his records from the public.
“The debate is whether he really earned his purple hearts.”
I’ll make it easy for you. No.
Thank you guys. Yes, it is a slam dunk, but I prefer to be armed, anyway. giggle
All I’m interested in seeing is the official record, showing if he received an honorable, dishonorable, or general discharge.
Or perhaps he received a general discharge at first, then it was changed by some political agenda to honorable.
That’s all I want to see.
This is what Kerry is supposed to sign if he wishes his records to be made public. He has never signed it. Fill it out and send it in for him. ;)
INSTRUCTION AND INFORMATION SHEET FOR SF 180, REQUEST PERTAINING TO MILITARY RECORDS
Information needed to locate records. Certain identifying information is necessary to determine the location of an individual’s record of military service. Please try to answer each item on the SF 180. If you do not have and cannot obtain the information for an item, show “NA,” meaning the information is “not available.” Include as much of the requested information as you can.
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Air Force Personnel Center HQ AFPC/DPSRP 550 C Street West, Suite 19 Randolph AFB, TX 78150-4721
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Commander U.S. Army Reserve Personnel Command ATTN: ARPC-ZCC-B 1 Reserve Way St. Louis, MO 63132-5200
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U.S. Total Army Personnel Command ATTN: TAPC-MSR-S 200 Stoval Street Alexandria, VA 22332-0444
The Adjutant General (of the appropriate state, DC, or Puerto Rico)
Headquarters U.S. Marine Corps Personnel Management Support Branch (MMSB-10) 2008 Elliot Road Quantico, VA 22134-5030
Commander USAEREC ATTN: PCRE-F 8899 E. 56th St. Indianapolis, IN 46249-5301
National Personnel Records Center (Military Personnel Records) 9700 Page Ave. St. Louis, MO 63132-5100
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Division of Commissioned Personnel ATTN: Records Officer 5600 Fishers Lane, Room 4-36 Rockville, MD 20857-0001
Also tell them you want all the records disclosed not just the revised (forged) documents after his discharge in 1978 the year after Jimmah Cahtuh became President. I have a suspicion that he had a previous discharge that was not and honorable discharge. Boone Pickens requires disclosure of all the documents between 1971 and 1978. It’s interesting that Kerry didn’t offer to release them when he stated his desire to get $1 million for disproving any claim that the Swift Boat Veterans made in the 2004 election campaign.
It is DoD Standard form once he signs it everything gets released.
If there’s questions about form SF 180, you can download the form and read it yourself to see what it authorizes and what it does not.
That’ll give you a more solid base from which to counter some of the potential crap the monkeys will try to fling.
There is also speculation that Kerry received a dishonorable discharge from the Navy for his consorting and negotiating with the enemy in Paris while still on active duty (don’t even get us started on lying to Congress and wearing a fake “uniform” at the time), which the paragon of ethics Jimmy Carter “fixed” for him during his administration.
If Kerry is a war hero, I’m the Czarina of all the Russias. But he’s all the libs can trot out when they talk about how they support the troops.
oops, got beat. Teach me to slow down to pretend to proof read.
Like I’d know if my grammar was good or not.
Aw, Grimmy, it’s a Friday night (even here on the left coast) and there’s good beer to be drunk...fagidabaddit!
Your best bet is to go to a bookstore or Amazon and buy “Unfit for Command” by John O’Neill. It’s authoritative and well documented and referenced. Much of the evidence includes Lurch’s own words. After you’re done reading it, highlight the areas you are most interested in and show it to them.
Or....you can always tell your debate opponents that Kerry’s valor in ‘nam was as real as Rather’s TANG Memos.
Heh. I should have excerpted and then posted the link as you did.
The records we have seen are a sanitized version of what he wanted released. BTW, I just ordered this book http://tosettherecordstraight.com/index.php\ Which might shed some more light on Kerry’s phony record.
“SF 180 (Standard Form 180) he must sign it and it authories the release of his complete personnel and medical files.”
He has to sign it and submit it. He claims he’s signed it already.
If I remember correctly, he signed the SF 180, but did not authorize ALL his records, including medical, to be released. He then sent them to the wrong archive to further the PHONEY release agenda.
Those that were released were sent to his good buddy at the Boston Glob. Again, this is strictly from memory. I cannot access my files at this time.
Just say this.
3 Purple Hearts. No stitches. Zero. Zip. Nada.
Not only must he sign it, he must specifically designate that *anyone*, or even just any journalist, can have access to *all* of his records.
It's possible to only give some persons access, which he has done, or to limit access, whether to some or to all, to only part of the records. He gave access *only* to friendly reporters from, IIRC, the Boston Globe and LA Times.
"From other posts of mine: .............. http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/06/07/kerry_allows_navy_release_of_military_medical_records/
Here ya go, Kerry signed his 180 for full release (to Kranish) on May 20, 2005. Nobody but Kranish has it, and he read everything and found nothing new, just more praises and laurels for Jon. WE don't get to see it but the Boston Globe has it all locked away somewhere.
But, Jon Carry can honestly rebut your demand by stating that he DID "sign the 180" on May 20, 2005.
"The evil Swiftboaters are after me again..."
They WERE released in proper accordance with the SF 180- and he filed with the proper agency- but did not release to the public. He can do that.
The person holding the data is that Globe reporter, not Kerry! Kerry put onto his release forms that everything went to Kranish (and if you read the article, the only thing Kranish says is that there are many more commendations than Kerry had mentioned).
The Globe guy is the one who must release them to the public. He is under no obligation to either release, or keep them, he can shred them if he wants to or has wanted to since 2005.
Kerry was clever in doing this, he signed the 180, released his records, and now its not his fault nor responsibility if we cant pore over them in detail.
210 posted on 11/12/2007 2:57:03 PM CST by DBrow "
He has signed at least a couple of SF 180s. However he only granted access to friendly reporters, not the general public, or the general media.
The US Navy Bureau of Personnel, or BUPERS.
That’s actually very good advice. No beer on hand but I do have some Jim Beam.
The sun is well over the yard arm. Or it would be if there was sun showing through the clouds today, and I had a ship, and the ship had sails.
You know what I mean.
Catch y’all later. I’m gonna go get less sober.
Yes he has, and he or his spokesmen will tell you that. They won't tell that he only granted access to friendly reporters, not to the general public.
Thanks! I was just going to get the link. I ordered a few of them today. ;*)
Some things to bear in mind as you debate these people:
** Purple Hearts that are truly earned are very rarely questioned, as the wounds are serious and the scars lasting.
** Purple Hearts that are awarded for lesser wounds usually have to be 'pushed' for, be that by a zealous commander who wants to reward his men or a person trying to satisfy his own ego.
** Three PH's, allowing a 'man' to leave the combat area, all given for lesser wounds requires a very rare and despicable person, who had to push three times for a PH, and then push again for his release.
My brother in law served a tour in Vietnam in '67-'68 and received three minor wounds (bullet graze, shrapnel graze and pun-gee (sp?) stick). No PH was awarded to him. He also says he could never ask for one for those wounds after seeing some of the guys who truly deserved them.
My B-I-L despises Kerry.
Only if he so designates on the form. He can authorize a limited release, or a release only to a limited number of people, say 1 or 2 friendly reporters. Friendly to him, not to the United States.
Just a little tweak. ;*)
He presumably has, but he only authorized release to a very friendly (to him) reporter or three.
I used to wonder why he would push for three purple hearts for minor wounds as his ticket out of combat so soon after he volunteered to go there.
Then I heard a story (which I have never verified, so maybe you should check first):
Apparently Kerry never intended to go in to any actual combat. First he served on a ship off the shore, and then volunteered for swift boat duty. However (as I understand it) the mission of the swift boats changed with unfortunate timing for him, going further inland where the fighting was. Which he had not anticipated when he volunteered.
That sorry SOB has yet to release his records. His campaign and the RATS went all out focusing attention on the prez school and military records. After the prez released his military records and school records proved that the Prez was actually more intelligent than sKerry, sKerry refused to sign the 180. As a voter and a PUB, I’m still PO’d about that.
Put down the ouija board, let Schultz rest in peace.
The argument about Kerry’s war record should be settled pretty much like the argument about whether the world is flat. Those who still believe that Kerry “earned” his three Purple Hearts still believe the world is flat and they can probably find a few who will attest to that.
You are correct. Friendly reporter to john effing.
That lays it out pretty well. One more thing: Kerry didn't make the SF-180 itself public, either, so nobody can tell what he actually requested.
Questions that I have never seen the answer to:
1. How many other men rec’d 3x Purple Hearts?
2. How many other men were sent home after receiving 3x Purple Hearts? i.e., was this a common event?
3. What % of eligible servicemen took this route?
4. How are their wounds characterized, particularly wound #3?
John Kerry’s dd-214 issued in 1978 included a statement in the remarks column that a board of officer had reviewed his record and approved an honorable discharge.
The reality is his enlistment ended in 1972 and was issued other than an honorable discharge. President Carter allowed those during the vietnam era with a less than honorable discharge to have it reviewed and upgraded.
Another fact. When you receive a citation by a General, Admiral or the president, you receive one copy. You do not have the opportunity to have it rewritten twice and signed by two other officials over a 17 year period.
The odd of someone honestly being entitled to three purple hearts in a four month period that required a total of one day in sickbay are extremely difficult to compute that small a number.
It should be noted that he got his discharge upgraded at least twice. An honorable discharge is the result of upgrading a general discharge. A general discharge may be the result of upgrading a BCD, DD or other punitive discharge. It can also be a reclassification from a negative, but non-punitive discharge. Like a discharge for the good of the navy.
Also note that he was re-awarded his medals about 15 years after his discharge. You don't get medals re-awarded unless you already had them and then were stripped of them. Say, like the naval lieutenant in the hypothetical situation described above.