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Sniper accused of murder disputes statement
http://www.latimes.com/ ^ | Dec. 8, 2007 | Ned Parker

Posted on 12/08/2007 7:33:29 AM PST by bigheadfred

BAGHDAD — As a military court prepares to try the last of three U.S. snipers on murder charges, the soldiers have accused their commanding officers of pushing to expand rules of engagement to produce more "kills" and then abandoning them when they were accused of murder.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iskandariyah; snipers; vela
Some more news on Evan.
1 posted on 12/08/2007 7:33:31 AM PST by bigheadfred
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To: bigheadfred

It’s getting to the point where a man has to have an unhealthy amount of martyr complex in him to serve in this nation’s military.

We won’t fight for our warfighters. There’s no real reason they should continue fighting for us.


2 posted on 12/08/2007 7:38:34 AM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: RedRover; Girlene; lilycicero; xzins; Lancey Howard; Gene Eric; jazusamo

Can’t wait to get the rest of the information on just how badly Evan has been treated from the start. CID crapped on his rights from the start. I vote we revoke their citizenship and let them stay in Iraq.


3 posted on 12/08/2007 7:40:17 AM PST by bigheadfred (The SERGEANT EVAN VELA DEFENSE FUND,Please help! See DefendOurMarines(Iskandariyah) for more info)
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To: bigheadfred
pushing to expand rules of engagement to produce more "kills" and then abandoning them when they were accused of murder.

Pretty typical. Boss tells you to push the envelope, he'll cover you if anything comes down, then leaves you to crash and burn when management finds out. Dude isn't going to get his general's star if he gets in trouble for something like this, let the worker bee take the rap.

4 posted on 12/08/2007 7:56:26 AM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Oh, the huge manatee!!!)
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To: bigheadfred

Hey kids, your safest bet to serve your country and not be brought up on charges is to join the Air Force or Coast Guard.


5 posted on 12/08/2007 8:10:37 AM PST by lilycicero (I know who the real heroes are.)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Evan never was provided any defense. He is my nephew, BTW. We had no choice but to hire civilian attorneys. His JAG threw Evan under the bus from the start. Can't call him a defense attorney. The A$$ didn't disturb one hair on his head to defend Evan.

I have a slightly longer version of this story on my e-mail. This is an excerpt from that.

Vela was held for 30 days in Kuwait without seeing a court-appointed lawyer, who then recommended by phone that Vela waive his right to an Article 32 hearing, the equivalent of a grand jury, to determine whether the case should go to court-martial.He agreed to waive it, but a civilian defense team hired by his father appealed the decision and won. Vela's defense team accused senior commanders, including Army Gen. Rick Lynch of the Multi-National Division Center, of obstructing his access to a fair trial.( LA Times)

My brother told me on Thursday there is $500 left in the Defense Fund.

If there is anyone out there who can help us, PLEASE visit this website,http://www.sergeantevanveladefensefund.org/, there is a mailing address in the "About" section for contributions. Evan really needs the help .

6 posted on 12/08/2007 8:41:00 AM PST by bigheadfred (The SERGEANT EVAN VELA DEFENSE FUND,Please help! See DefendOurMarines(Iskandariyah) for more info)
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To: lilycicero

Hi, Lily. Good thing the bighead didn’t have to go to Iraq. Without getting too involved here, let’s just say Capt. Steele is a lucky man. I ain’t quite as calm as my brother. I know I wouldn’t have restrained myself like he did.


7 posted on 12/08/2007 8:53:39 AM PST by bigheadfred (The SERGEANT EVAN VELA DEFENSE FUND,Please help! See DefendOurMarines(Iskandariyah) for more info)
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To: bigheadfred
Interesting article. Fills in a few of the blanks of this case.

"Anything that was done to that insurgent was done to refrain him from making noise," Hensley said. "We were in an area where we could not get resupplied. There was only five of us out there with sniper weapons. We couldn't rapidly shoot at anything. . . . For all those reasons, this guy was killed out of self-defense."

Do you know what Hensley is doing now?
8 posted on 12/08/2007 8:56:48 AM PST by Girlene
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To: Girlene
Do you know what Hensley is doing now?

On a December Saturday morning in Anchorage?

My response would have you tracking me down to slap this S out of me. :-}

As far as I know he is back on active duty. But don't know anything further.

9 posted on 12/08/2007 9:12:29 AM PST by bigheadfred (The SERGEANT EVAN VELA DEFENSE FUND,Please help! See DefendOurMarines(Iskandariyah) for more info)
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To: bigheadfred

Why in the world would Evan’s JAG recommend waiving his hearing? Sometimes this happens once civilian attorneys are hired to save on attorney costs. But the JAG lawyer is supposed to be working for Evan, and is free. Did the JAG ever give an explanation as to his line of reasoning for his client?


10 posted on 12/08/2007 9:22:20 AM PST by Girlene
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To: Girlene
Did the JAG ever give an explanation as to his line of reasoning for his client?

What? And prove he was complicit with the prosecution and CID?

The best thing he can do is keep his mouth shut and his head low, really low. And to definitely stay out of dark alleys.

My brother said the jag came off as arrogant.

The best front you can have when you are nothing more than a whiny piece of S**T.

11 posted on 12/08/2007 9:32:45 AM PST by bigheadfred (The SERGEANT EVAN VELA DEFENSE FUND,Please help! See DefendOurMarines(Iskandariyah) for more info)
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To: bigheadfred; All
Just to echo bighead's plea above, please visit Evan's website at the LINK.
12 posted on 12/08/2007 10:22:14 AM PST by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: bigheadfred

That is absolutely terrible. Everybody is all up in a huff about Gitmo and other terrorist detainees getting the full protection of American court due-process while Evan gets treated worse than the enemy caught running a terror safe-house.

As for the brass who would rather railroad this guy to keep the PR quiet, they’re worse than despicable for not defending their own guy. Kick the JAG out of the military, chuck his veteran’s benefits, and court-martial Gen. Lynch.


13 posted on 12/08/2007 10:22:31 AM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Oh, the huge manatee!!!)
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To: bigheadfred; All
Another link...


14 posted on 12/08/2007 10:33:19 AM PST by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
That is absolutely terrible. Everybody is all up in a huff about Gitmo and other terrorist detainees getting the full protection of American court due-process while Evan gets treated worse than the enemy caught running a terror safe-house.

Thank God you understand this.

Evan was never told he didn't have to submit to any CID INTERROGATIONS. Then to threaten a man with his family. He has a new 6 month old baby daughter.

And then to have his appointed counsel call him on the phone and say screw it kid, give up now.

To top it off, all of his outfit have come home to Alaska, leaving him behind.

15 posted on 12/08/2007 11:26:28 AM PST by bigheadfred (The SERGEANT EVAN VELA DEFENSE FUND,Please help! See DefendOurMarines(Iskandariyah) for more info)
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To: RedRover

Thank you Red. Not much good at html here.


16 posted on 12/08/2007 11:30:29 AM PST by bigheadfred (The SERGEANT EVAN VELA DEFENSE FUND,Please help! See DefendOurMarines(Iskandariyah) for more info)
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To: bigheadfred

E-mail to you.


17 posted on 12/08/2007 1:24:24 PM PST by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: bigheadfred

One of the better battalion commanders I had was a guy who told his company commanders to tell all their troops NEVER to talk to CID.

He commanded them to explain what “can and WILL be used AGAINST you.” means.

He detested their day-long, heavy-handed, statement-writing interrogations.


18 posted on 12/08/2007 2:42:14 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain! True Supporters of Our Troops Support the Necessity of their Sacrifice!)
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To: RedRover

E-mail to you too.


19 posted on 12/08/2007 7:05:06 PM PST by bigheadfred (The SERGEANT EVAN VELA DEFENSE FUND,Please help! See DefendOurMarines(Iskandariyah) for more info)
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To: Girlene; lilycicero; xzins; Lancey Howard; Gene Eric; jazusamo; smoothsailing; brityank; ...

This is Evan’s address, for any who are interested.

Sgt Evan Vela
Theater Field Confinement Facility
APO, AE 09366


20 posted on 12/10/2007 3:34:26 PM PST by bigheadfred (The SERGEANT EVAN VELA DEFENSE FUND,Please help! See DefendOurMarines(Iskandariyah) for more info)
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To: bigheadfred

Thanks, I will tell him “Bigheadfred” sent me.


21 posted on 12/10/2007 4:11:18 PM PST by lilycicero
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To: bigheadfred

Thanks, bhfred. For those of us who still send Christmas cards, it would not be any trouble to add Evan to our list.


22 posted on 12/10/2007 5:35:42 PM PST by Girlene (Merry Christmas)
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To: bigheadfred
Thanks. Consider it done, our cards go out Thursday.
23 posted on 12/10/2007 7:15:54 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing; All

Thanks Smooth.

The lawyer is saying he doesn’t think they will let much through. But we have to try. An unopened box of chocolates can’t pose much of a threat, but you never know.


24 posted on 12/11/2007 5:27:39 AM PST by bigheadfred (The SERGEANT EVAN VELA DEFENSE FUND,Please help! See DefendOurMarines(Iskandariyah) for more info)
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To: girlene

25 posted on 02/08/2010 8:45:04 PM PST by bigheadfred (Be who you are and say what you feel: Those who mind don't matter.Those who matter don't mind.)
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26 posted on 02/08/2010 8:49:50 PM PST by bigheadfred (Be who you are and say what you feel: Those who mind don't matter.Those who matter don't mind.)
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To: bigheadfred


List of Islamic Terror Attacks For the Past 2 Months

Date Country City Killed Injured Description
2012.01.18 Iraq Latifiyah 4 1 al-Qaeda militants open fire on a family sleeping in their home, killing four members.
2012.01.16 Iraq Mosul 8 4 Sunnis set off a car bomb outside a housing complex for displaced Shias, killing at least eight.
2012.01.16 Iraq Hillah 3 15 A car bomb targeting Shabak minorities in their homes kills three.
2012.01.15 Iraq Ramadi 7 18 Six guards and a civilian are killed when Fedayeen stage a suicide assault on a police building.
2012.01.14 Iraq Basra 53 137 A Holy Warrior detonates himself in a crowd of Shia pilgrims, massacring over fifty.
2012.01.13 Iraq Baghdad 1 10 Sunnis detonate a car bomb near a bus stop full of Shia pilgrims, killing at least one.
2012.01.12 Iraq al-Kefil 1 16 A Shiite pilgrim is sent straight to Allah by Sunni bombers.
2012.01.11 Iraq Qaim 3 0 Three local
2012.01.10 Iraq Baghdad 2 0 Two people at a market are shot to death by Mujahid gunmen.
2012.01.10 Iraq Yathrib 3 0 Three schoolboys between the ages of 9 and 11 are dismantled by 'insurgents' while walking to school.
2012.01.10 Iraq Baghdad 2 0 Two more Shia pilgrims on foot are sent to paradise by Sunni bombers.
2012.01.10 Iraq Baghdad 5 18 A Shahid suicide bomber detonates in a crowd of Shia pilgrims, killing five.
2012.01.10 Iraq al-Sharqat 2 0 Two agricultural employees are blown to bits by 'insurgents'.
2012.01.09 Iraq Baghdad 7 19 At least seven people at a market are blown to bits by Jihadi car bombers.
2012.01.09 Iraq Hillah 0 15 Fifteen Shia pilgrims are left in agony after Sunni bombers target their procession.
2012.01.09 Iraq Baghdad 5 32 Sunni bombers detonate a car bomb at a Shiite mosque, killing five.
2012.01.09 Iraq Baghdad 2 10 Two pilgrims on foot are dismantled by Sunni roadside bombers.
2012.01.09 Iraq Baghdad 2 0 Terrorists shoot a bank manager and her husband to death in their home.
2012.01.09 Iraq Owairij 1 9 Sunni bombers take down a Shiite pilgrim on foot.
2012.01.07 Iraq Fallujah 2 1 Mujahid bombers kill two Iraqi policemen.
2012.01.07 Iraq Baghdad 2 8 Sunni bombers send two Shiite pilgrims straight to paradise.
2012.01.06 Iraq Baghdad 2 17 Two Shiite pilgrims are disassembled by Sunni bombers.
2012.01.05 Iraq Nassiriya 5 20 Five Shiite pilgrims are blown to bits by Sunni roadside bombers.
2012.01.05 Iraq Baghdad 13 32 Sunnis plant a bomb on a motorcycle next to a group of Shia day laborers lining up for work. At least thirteen are killed.
2012.01.05 Iraq Karbala 48 80 A Sunni suicide bomber blown himself up next to a crowd of Shiite pilgrims, massacring at least fifty.
2012.01.05 Iraq Baghdad 16 36 At least sixteen Shiites are sent to Allah by Sunni car bombs planted in their neighborhood.
2012.01.04 Iraq Baqubah 2 9 Two children are dismantled by Mujahid bombers.
2012.01.04 Iraq Abu Ghraib 2 0 A man and his wife are murdered in their own home by al-Qaeda gunmen.
2011.12.31 Iraq Diyala 5 0 Five Iraqis are murdered in cold blood by al-Qaeda gunmen.
2011.12.28 Iraq Mosul 4 0 Four local police officers are killed in and around the city by Muslim terrorists.
2011.12.27 Iraq Kirkuk 2 1 Mujahideen kill two civilians with a car bomb.
2011.12.27 Iraq Mosul 2 0 A man and his father are murdered in their home by 'insurgents'.
2011.12.26 Iraq Baiji 1 0 A man is shot in the head by al-Qaeda.
2011.12.26 Iraq Baghdad 7 37 Seven people are blown to bits by a Shahid suicide car bomber.
2011.12.25 Iraq Garma 6 2 Six local cops at a checkpoint are machine-gunned at point-blank range by Sunni terrorists.
2011.12.25 Iraq Dujail 2 20 A Fedayeen suicide bomber sends two Iraqis to Allah
2011.12.25 Iraq Mosul 1 0 Muslim snipers pick off a Christian just outside his home.
2011.12.24 Iraq Mosul 4 3 Four Iraqis are shot to death in a series of Mujahideen shootings.
2011.12.24 Iraq Kirkuk 3 1 Two brothers are kidnapped and murdered by 'insurgents', who also kill a school principal.
2011.12.22 Iraq Baqubah 5 0 Five family members are machine-gunned in their home by al-Qaeda gunmen.
2011.12.22 Iraq Kirkuk 1 0 A young man is kidnapped and executed by 'insurgents'.
2011.12.22 Iraq Baghdad 72 217 Over seventy Iraqis are massacred by 'freedom fighters' in a series of bombings and rocket attacks across the city following the departure of U.S. troops.
2011.12.20 Iraq Fallujah 4 0 Four contractors are kidnapped and murdered.
2011.12.19 Iraq Balad 1 2 Sunnis bomb a minibus carrying Shia pilgrims, killing at least one.
2011.12.19 Iraq Kokjali 1 1 A teenager is murdered by Muslim terrorists while walking home from school.
2011.12.19 Iraq Mosul 4 4 A grocer is among four left dead after separate Mujahideen attacks.
2011.12.17 Iraq Abu Ghraib 3 2 Jihadis bomb a minibus, killing two passengers.
2011.12.17 Iraq Baghdad 1 0 A secular judge is assassinated by suspected religious radicals.
2011.12.16 Iraq Mosul 1 0 A man is shot to death in his home by Mujahideen.
2011.12.14 Iraq Tal Afar 5 33 Jihadis take down five Iraqis with two car bombs - the first of which was intended to attract more victims.
2011.12.14 Iraq Mosul 2 0 Two more Christians are shot to death.
2011.12.13 Iraq Fallujah 3 5 Three bus passengers are riddled with bullets by al-Qaeda assassins.
2011.12.13 Iraq Mosul 2 2 A Christian man and his wife are gunned down in their car by Jihad warriors. Their childen survive with injuries.
2011.12.13 Iraq Baghdad 1 5 A Fedayeen suicide bombing leaves one other person dead.
2011.12.13 Iraq Ishaqi 2 3 Muslim bombers take out two Iraqis.
2011.12.12 Iraq Baghdad 2 6 Terrorists gun down two people and attempt to blow up six others.
2011.12.10 Iraq Kirkuk 7 4 Seven Iraqis are killed in a series of sectarian attacks.
2011.12.07 Iraq Mosul 2 0 A professor is among two people shot to death by suspected Islamists.
2011.12.07 Iraq Fallujah 3 2 Three local cops are taken out by Jihadi bombers.
2011.12.06 Iraq Kirkuk 1 8 Sunnis fire mortars at a Shia mosque, killing one occupant.
2011.12.06 Iraq Kirkuk 1 0 An oil company employee is blown up by Islamic 'insurgents'.
2011.12.05 Iraq Latifiyah 2 3 Sunni bombers take down two Shiite pilgrims on foot.
2011.12.05 Iraq Baghdad 3 20 Three Shiite pilgrims are killed by Sunni bombers.
2011.12.05 Iraq Hillah 22 63 Two dozen pilgrims, mostly women and children, are ripped apart by three Sunni car bombs.
2011.12.05 Iraq Baghdad 8 18 A Sunni roadside bomb attack on a Shia procession leaves eight pilgrims dead.
2011.12.04 Iraq Bayaa 1 9 Sunni bombers manage to take down a Shia pilgrim on foot.
2011.12.03 Iraq Baaj 3 0 Three brothers are shot to death in their home by Sunni militants.
2011.12.03 Iraq Iskandariya 3 0 Three innocent people are killed by an 'insurgent' roadside bomb.
2011.12.03 Iraq Baghdad 2 0 A man and his wife are murdered by Islamist gunmen.
2011.12.03 Iraq Zakho 0 32 Thirty-two people are injured during a rampage by fundamentalists against Christian-owned businesses.
2011.12.02 Iraq al-Sharqat 3 2 Three civilian defense volunteers are machine-gunned at a checkpoint by al-Qaeda.
2011.12.02 Iraq Taji 4 7 al-Qaeda bombers take down four Iraqis, including a man and his mother.
2011.12.01 Iraq Khalis 10 25 Ten patrons at a vegetable market are ripped apart by a well-placed bomb.
2011.12.01 Iraq Jil al-Said 8 5 al-Qaeda gunmen pull eight people from their homes, line them up against the wall and shoot them.
2011.11.29 Iraq Samarra 5
2011.11.28 Iraq Baghdad 5 6 A Shahid suicide bomber detonates himself outside the parliament building, killing five people.
2011.11.28 Iraq Kirkuk 1 13 One family member is killed when 'insurgents' throw a bomb into a house.
2011.11.28 Iraq Taji 19 24 Suicide bombers destroy a minibus, along with nineteen passengers.
2011.11.26 Iraq Abu Ghraib 8 13 Eight construction workers are permanently demolished by a Mujahid bombing attack.
2011.11.26 Iraq Baghdad 7 28 Holy Warriors take down seven Iraqis with well-planted bombs along a commercial district.
2011.11.24 Iraq Basra 25 71 Two dozen people are sent to Allah by Mujahid bombers at an outdoor market.
2011.11.24 Iraq Baghdad 1 2 A woman is murdered in her home by Islamic terrorists.
2011.11.23 Iraq Diyala 9 0 Nine torture victims of al-Qaeda are found buried together.

27 posted on 01/21/2012 10:11:11 AM PST by bigheadfred
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