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Population Implosion
World Magazine ^ | 2/15/2003 | Gene Edward Veith

Posted on 12/08/2007 3:13:57 PM PST by Jim 0216

The president of Estonia goes on national TV to urge his countrymen to have more children. Russian President Vladimir Putin warns his parliament about "a serious crisis threatening Russia's survival": the nation's low birth rate. The government of Singapore is trying to reverse that country's birth dearth by sponsoring a massive taxpayer-funded matchmaking service.

In 1968, Paul Ehrlich published The Population Bomb, panicking the world with dire predictions of a population explosion. By the year 2000, he predicted, the world would be so crowded that hundreds of millions would die of starvation. Although Mr. Ehrlich's prophecies have turned out to be almost comically wrong, PBS has produced a documentary taking him seriously, and philanthropists like Ted Turner still donate millions to combat population growth.

But the problem today is not overpopulation; it's under-population. For a population to reproduce itself, the fertility rate must average 2.1 children per woman. (The .I allows for child mortality.) The fertility rate today among major developed nations is only 1.6.

The United States is rare among its peers in keeping its fertility rate at around the replacement level of 2.1, according to the Population Reference Bureau, which provided the fertility data cited here. Europe, though, is shrinking. Germany's rate is 1.3. Despite the stereo-type of large Catholic families, France has a fertility rate of 1.9 and Italy has one of the lowest in Europe, 1.3. At this rate, there will be only about half as many Italians in the next generation. There will also be fewer Russians, whose fertility rate is 1.3.

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2007 update: 50 million U.S. citizens missing. They're not found and are presumed to have been killed as unborn infants in modern-day death camps (called "abortion clinics" and "Planned Parenthood"). The difference between these modern-day death camps and the Nazi camps is in these, the parents willingly come to have their unborn slaughtered.
1 posted on 12/08/2007 3:13:59 PM PST by Jim 0216
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To: Jim 0216

Okay, we have fewer people in the next generation. So what!

One of the lowest birth rates in this country is from white liberal women. Personaly I think we are better off with fewer white liberal women giving birth.


2 posted on 12/08/2007 3:25:55 PM PST by bilhosty
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To: Jim 0216

Meanwhile, in the Muslim world, the rate is something like 4.

Those who espouse low birth rates, there is your legacy.

Allahu Akbar.


3 posted on 12/08/2007 3:26:06 PM PST by Eccl 10:2 (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem - Ps 122:6)
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To: Jim 0216
The largest unreported genocide in human history continues to be legal. God, please forgive our country.
4 posted on 12/08/2007 3:27:25 PM PST by Rockitz (This isn't rocket science- Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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To: Jim 0216

World population continues to increase, American population continues to increase. Some implosion this is.


5 posted on 12/08/2007 3:30:26 PM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: bilhosty
Okay, we have fewer people in the next generation. So what!

Oh, don't worry. There will be plenty of people around to take their place.

They just won't be speaking the same language or look the same.

Nations that kill their own children don't survive for long. Other nations that don't do that move in to replace them.

Look around and tell me that isn't true.

6 posted on 12/08/2007 3:32:07 PM PST by Regulator
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To: Eccl 10:2

Don’t worry. We can fix that imbalance in about 15 minutes.


7 posted on 12/08/2007 3:32:50 PM PST by Gerfang (Beware the man who would deny you access to information, in his heart he dreams himself your master)
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To: RightWhale
American population continues to increase

No, the population in the territorial boundaries of America continues to increase, but that population is by no means American.

8 posted on 12/08/2007 3:33:03 PM PST by Regulator
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To: RightWhale

Go read Steyn’s book


9 posted on 12/08/2007 3:34:01 PM PST by SShultz460 (If peace is the answer; it must be a stupid question.)
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To: Regulator

Yes, the population of America is increasing.


10 posted on 12/08/2007 3:35:46 PM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: Jim 0216
"Paul Ehrlich published The Population Bomb, panicking the world with dire predictions of a population explosion. By the year 2000, he predicted, the world would be so crowded that hundreds of millions would die of starvation. Although Mr. Ehrlich's prophecies have turned out to be almost comically wrong.............."

Ehrlich should have been laughed out of serious discussion years ago but wasn't because the left/greens have so much invested in his theories.

11 posted on 12/08/2007 3:35:48 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: SShultz460
Go read Steyn’s book

Why?

12 posted on 12/08/2007 3:37:29 PM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: RightWhale

Industrialization, mechanization and technological advancement does mean we need fewer hands to keep turning the valves and pulling the levers.

We’ll get by just fine with fewer folk. Besides, we can kill them much faster than they can reproduce. We could eliminate them all at once if they get us angry enough.

Them I mean is the muslim.

A fair lot of this sky is fallerizing comes from the assumption that the muslim is willing to wait around until they have a voting majority or some other silliness.

We’ll win this fight. There’s zero real doubt about that. The only question is will we need to suffer a full decimation of our population before we get angry enough to treat the muslim as is required to end this fight.

PS. I don’t mean any of that to imply I’m pro baby sacrificing cult.


13 posted on 12/08/2007 3:37:56 PM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: Eccl 10:2

Look on the bright side... at least when the caliphate takes over, we won’t have to worry about pork spending anymore.


14 posted on 12/08/2007 3:38:29 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: RightWhale
Yes, the population of America is increasing.

For all of the wrong reasons- that is they're not American (born of American parents). I do not consider birthright citizenship to be constitutional.

15 posted on 12/08/2007 3:39:20 PM PST by Rockitz (This isn't rocket science- Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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To: Grimmy

Take it someplace else.


16 posted on 12/08/2007 3:40:12 PM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: RightWhale

Which part offended you? Just out of curiosity.


17 posted on 12/08/2007 3:41:38 PM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: Rockitz

I liked America well enough when the population was 150 million. But, things change and there’s not much we can do but wake up and see the truth, which is redundant.


18 posted on 12/08/2007 3:41:57 PM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: Jim 0216
The world's population is increasing by 57 million people a year and will continue to do until at least 2050. The US population will increase by 167 million by 2060 with 105 million attributed to immigration, legal and illegal. By then, we will have almost half a billion people. Since 1970 our population has increased by 100 million. We have the highest annual population growth rate of any developed country, i.e., .89%.

Our pro-growth immigration policy will place tremendous strains on this country in many ways.

19 posted on 12/08/2007 3:43:40 PM PST by kabar
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To: SShultz460
Go read Steyn’s book

BINGO!

20 posted on 12/08/2007 3:44:19 PM PST by Jeff Chandler ("Liberals want to save the world for the children they aren't having." -Mark Steyn)
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To: RightWhale

The most common name given to newborns in the western hemisphere is Jose. In Europe and Middle East it’s Mohammed.


21 posted on 12/08/2007 3:48:19 PM PST by Mogollon
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To: RightWhale; Regulator
Currently, 1.6 million legal and illegal immigrants settle in the country each year; 350,000 immigrants leave each year, resulting in net immigration of 1.25 million. If immigration continues at current levels, the nation’s population will increase from 301 million today to 468 million in 2060 — a 167 million (56 percent) increase. Immigrants plus their descendents will account for 105 million (63 percent) of the increase. The total projected growth of 167 million is equal to the combined populations of Great Britain, France, and Spain. The 105 million from immigration by itself is equal to 13 additional New York Cities.

By 2050 non-Hispanic whites will be 50% of the population down from the 89% in 1970.

22 posted on 12/08/2007 3:48:32 PM PST by kabar
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To: Jim 0216

“Sons are a heritage of the Lord, and children are a reward from Him.” (Psalm 127:3)
“Be not deceived. God is not mocked. Whatever a man sows, that he will reap.” (Galatians 6:7)


23 posted on 12/08/2007 3:48:48 PM PST by kittymyrib
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To: Jim 0216

When will the new Neurenburg Trials begin? Begin them with Planned Parenthood on the dock. PP is an invention of US Commies. Will it happen? No way! Too many libs believe in killing (sacrificing) babies as part of their religion —in ancient times it was called appeasing the god Baal.


24 posted on 12/08/2007 3:49:39 PM PST by Paulus Invictus
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To: RightWhale
here's an exerpt
25 posted on 12/08/2007 3:50:37 PM PST by SShultz460 (If peace is the answer; it must be a stupid question.)
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To: Mogollon

Aside form lack of creativity in naming babies, that doesn’t bother me.


26 posted on 12/08/2007 3:50:56 PM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: bilhosty
Personaly I think we are better off with fewer white liberal women giving birth.

I see your point, but not at the cost of murdered babies.

27 posted on 12/08/2007 3:52:25 PM PST by roamer_1 (Vote for Frudy McRomsonbee -Turn red states purple in 08!)
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To: SShultz460

I am reading ‘The Prize’, which is fairly decent history and ‘We the People’, which is draining what few IQ points I have left, both recommended on FR. I cannot take the time for further political polemics.


28 posted on 12/08/2007 3:57:28 PM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: RightWhale

Your loss, it’s a really fast read :)

Steyn Rocks


29 posted on 12/08/2007 4:02:47 PM PST by SShultz460 (If peace is the answer; it must be a stupid question.)
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To: RightWhale
That's what I thought you'd say. Like any other ordinary traitor, you believe the American nation never existed, so how could it become extinct?

Dream your dreams up there in the big freezeout. Fictional worlds are better then the real one, huh?

30 posted on 12/08/2007 4:04:47 PM PST by Regulator
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To: RightWhale

It has nothing to do with lack of creativity. The face of Europe and the United States is in the process of being forever changed. Europe is being conquered by Islamic invaders, the United States is being conquered by Mexican invaders.

If that doesn’t bother you, fine. Just say it. The truth is, both civilizations have brought this inevitability upon themselves.


31 posted on 12/08/2007 4:05:40 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: SShultz460

It’s an incredibly fast read. And way more fun than it has any business being, given the subject matter.

Best non-fiction book of 2006, as far as I’m concerned.


32 posted on 12/08/2007 4:07:13 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: Regulator

Nice ad hominen.


33 posted on 12/08/2007 4:10:28 PM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

Look at it this way: we have to see what is going on as opposed to what we wish is going on. America was built on commerce and these are incredible opportunities.


34 posted on 12/08/2007 4:12:37 PM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: Jim 0216

Yeah, I was thinking about what you said and it seems like the biggest difference between the death camps and what’s going on now is we can’t smell the smoke from the furnaces.


35 posted on 12/08/2007 4:13:52 PM PST by ichabod1 ("Self defense is not only our right, it is our duty." President Ronald Reagan)
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To: Jim 0216

Years ago, I believe it was on either 20/20 or Nightline, there was a gentleman that used to deconstruct issues with very simple, layman terms. One of his reports dealt with this very issue. I recall him using eggs as a visual aid, and his nephews contributed to the report.

I’ve always wanted to find a copy of that report, as it was very well done and fascinating.

Anyone else have a recollection of this? (or better yet, a link to it)


36 posted on 12/08/2007 4:15:17 PM PST by Carlucci
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To: RightWhale

If the shoe fits....


37 posted on 12/08/2007 4:17:59 PM PST by Regulator
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To: Carlucci

Sounds like a Roy beck presentation. He uses gumballs now. That might be who you mean. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyTmClBU7nA


38 posted on 12/08/2007 4:27:42 PM PST by WildcatClan (Vote Hunter for President.)
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To: Regulator

“Oh, don’t worry. There will be plenty of people around to take their place.

They just won’t be speaking the same language or look the same.

Nations that kill their own children don’t survive for long. Other nations that don’t do that move in to replace them.

Look around and tell me that isn’t true.”


Es verdadero Señor.


39 posted on 12/08/2007 4:30:05 PM PST by live+let_live
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To: RightWhale
we have to see what is going on as opposed to what we wish is going on.

In other words, "it is what it is". Unfortunately, that's the attitude of most Americans and Europeans. Which is why western civilization is on a bullet train to its death bed.

40 posted on 12/08/2007 4:34:53 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: Jim 0216

Nobody wants to consider the deaths caused by the drug scene. It is huge.


41 posted on 12/08/2007 4:41:42 PM PST by Waco
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To: WildcatClan

No, that’s not him. The man who did the report for the news show was way more entertaining, and in fact, comical in his report.

But thanks for trying. I will watch this video.


42 posted on 12/08/2007 4:42:03 PM PST by Carlucci
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To: Jim 0216

They’ve been replaced.


43 posted on 12/08/2007 4:44:07 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Regulator

They just won’t be speaking the same language or look the same.

In no way shape or form was my post ment to promote illegal or legal immigration for that matter.


44 posted on 12/08/2007 4:50:25 PM PST by bilhosty
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To: kabar

We are the third most populous country on the globe. That freaked me out a little when I heard it. Of course we have China and India ahead of us, and I don’t see us catching up any time soon, even if we absorb the entire population of the mexican.


45 posted on 12/08/2007 4:51:36 PM PST by ichabod1 ("Self defense is not only our right, it is our duty." President Ronald Reagan)
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To: Jim 0216

There is only one example of a modern industrial nation increasing its birthrate to great result by known means.

Post-WWII America’s Levittown was the model for this baby boom. Soon suburbs across the US recreated this model to similar effect. Its major elements:

1) One breadwinner married couples. The husbands worked in mostly white collar jobs, and the wives were homemakers. Taxes were low enough for this to happen.
2) Child-centric communities with limited entertainments for unmarried adults.
3) Few people in the community who were neither raising children or not interested in raising children.

Importantly, to recreate this situation intentionally in today’s world, no matter where it was done, would probably require subtle, but authoritarian controls behind the scenes.

It would be worth it to create a city from scratch, solely with the intention of making it a national incubator. Most of the jobs would be make-work and low intensity, and adults who were not married or not inclined to have children would need to be kept out.

Women would mostly need to be excluded from the work force, but families would need to get by on the income from just the father. Luxuries would be strictly limited, as would unhealthy recreations that didn’t lead to procreation. OB/GYN, pre-natal, maternity, pediatric and fertility medicine would be good, but there would be no birth control or abortion allowed.

Religion would be an important element, and the government would encourage religious leaders to advocate procreation. Schools would likewise have to be good quality, with plenty of patriotic instruction and sports.

Such a city would need to be isolated and protected enough for the project to work, and would need good management to maintain child production rates, not just have it limited to a “wave” of children.


46 posted on 12/08/2007 4:53:25 PM PST by Popocatapetl
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To: Jim 0216
2007 update: 50 million U.S. citizens missing

and all of their descendants are gone.

47 posted on 12/08/2007 4:53:33 PM PST by GinaLolaB
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To: Jim 0216

48 posted on 12/08/2007 4:56:29 PM PST by B-Cause (“If you think health care is expensive now, wait until it is free!”)
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To: bilhosty

The problem is that our population disparity (and all that means) will still be filled with illegals and immigrants that have no connection to our basic Judeo-Christian ideals and culture. So, in time, our native lack of fertility will be met and filled by third-worlders.

Doesn’t bode well for America.


49 posted on 12/08/2007 4:56:30 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth
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To: RightWhale

I think native born American total fertility rates (TFR) are nearly zero or just slightly positive. Our current birthrates, while well above replacement, are due to immigrant populations who tend to have larger families.


50 posted on 12/08/2007 4:59:22 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth
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