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Signs hint 'Compass' may miss blockbuster territory (heh heh heh)
Los Angeles Times ^ | December 7, 2007 | Josh Friedman

Posted on 12/08/2007 6:17:51 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o

No one in Hollywood quite knows where "The Golden Compass" is pointing, though it appears to be south of blockbuster status.

...Unlike "Narnia" or the "Rings" and "Potter" movies, most of which hauled in more than $60 million in their first three days, "Compass" may open in the $30-million neighborhood, or worse, according to market analysts.

[Yet] it's unlikely to spell financial catastrophe for New Line.

The studio admits to a production price of $180 million, though some industry insiders believe the true cost soared past $200 million...

Even so, the film was cofinanced by Royal Bank of Scotland, and British tax incentives and presales of foreign distribution rights covered about two-thirds of the production cost, New Line says. The deals may limit New Line's risk, but also cap its upside: Fantasy films usually take in the majority of their ticket sales abroad, and "The Golden Compass" is off to a jolly good start in Britain, where it opened Wednesday.

If the film becomes a hit, the studio will launch two sequels based on Pullman's series. That remains a big "if" ...New Line says it will wait to see how "Compass" performs before deciding on the follow-ups.

Reviewers have been dazzled by the effects, but many are underwhelmed by the story. The review compendium website MetaCritic.com listed 50% of notices as positive, while rival RottenTomatoes.com reported 47% were bullish.

Another headache for New Line is the ire Pullman's books have whipped up among some religious groups.

But the ruckus may actually end up boosting the movie, said Karen Covell, director of the Hollywood Prayer Network. "The more riled up everybody becomes, the more publicity the movie gets," she said. "It just ends up helping at the box office."

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


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1 posted on 12/08/2007 6:17:52 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Some box office info points to a very disappointing opening weekend.

Rating by people on Yahoo! is a C+ (Lions for Lambs was a D- and proved to be a major bomb).

By contrast, Bella is running #1 on Yahoo! users of currently playing movies... Golden Compass is off the radar (no where near the top ten)...

2 posted on 12/08/2007 6:21:21 PM PST by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Saw this extremely odd movie last night. Intriguing special effects, incoherent script, EXTREMELY annoying random moment ending right at the obvious beginning of a sequal.

Can’t say I would recommend it.


3 posted on 12/08/2007 6:22:08 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I don’t know too much about this movie. You seem to take pleasure in it’s proposed failure. Why?


4 posted on 12/08/2007 6:22:24 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: Mrs. Don-o
But the ruckus may actually end up boosting the movie, said Karen Covell

Yeah, sometimes it works that way. But with a $30M opening weekend, I don't see evidence that controversy has helped them out.

5 posted on 12/08/2007 6:23:57 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Ya know, I’m really not buying the contraversy=dollars argument very much anymore as it hasn’t helped a great many films this year at all.


6 posted on 12/08/2007 6:24:31 PM PST by ECM (Government is a make-work program for lawyers.)
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To: kinoxi

Because it is anti-Christian propaganda, aimed at our children.


7 posted on 12/08/2007 6:25:00 PM PST by i_dont_chat (Your choice if you take offense.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

What’s the big deal with the animosity toward this movie? Some people seem to hate it-—why?


8 posted on 12/08/2007 6:25:14 PM PST by Rudder
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative; Borges; GratianGasparri; icwhatudo; wagglebee; NYer; Coleus; ...

FYI


9 posted on 12/08/2007 6:25:31 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Mammalia Primatia Hominidae Homo sapiens. Still working on the "sapiens" part.)
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To: kinoxi
Image hosted by Photobucket.com because his books are about killing God and the church and the movie is just a hook yo get the kids to read the books...
10 posted on 12/08/2007 6:25:36 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

director of the Hollywood Prayer Network. “The more riled up everybody becomes, the more publicity the movie gets,” she said. “It just ends up helping at the box office.”

Not if instead of geatting angry, and getting riled up (every Christian) simply let their friends, and neighbors whom they know good people about the dangers of this film, then there is not “negative publicity” merely the telling of the real theological dangers of this film..(then people will not go, and it will make less than it may would have).


11 posted on 12/08/2007 6:26:32 PM PST by JSDude1 (When a liberal represents the Presidential Nominee for the Republicans; THEY'RE TOAST)
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To: kinoxi

I can’t speak for the poster, but I will say that since the author of the books has spent considerable energy denigrating CS Lewis, I am taking special glee in watching his movie fail to approach the theatrical treatment of Lewis’ work (never mind the fact that the author’s stated purpose with the books is to “kill God.”)


12 posted on 12/08/2007 6:26:43 PM PST by ECM (Government is a make-work program for lawyers.)
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To: kinoxi; Mrs. Don-o
You seem to take pleasure in it’s proposed failure. Why?

The author expressed extreme hatred for God, Christianity and C.S. Lewis (the Author of The Narnia stories). He stated his goal was to “Kill God.”

Atheist groups complained that the books Anti Christian theme was watered down.

Does that about cover it Mrs. Don-o?

13 posted on 12/08/2007 6:27:47 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: kinoxi
To: Mrs. Don-o

I don’t know too much about this movie. You seem to take pleasure in it’s proposed failure. Why?

4 posted on 12/08/2007 6:22:24 PM PST by kinoxi

1. You don't surf FreeRepublic much, do you?

2. This movie was written by an anti-Christian author who has sworn to destroy Christianity.

3. Hollywood has adopted this author and movie as their next attempt to destroy Christianity and America.

4. Are you really this naive or are you a plant?

14 posted on 12/08/2007 6:27:49 PM PST by american_ranger (Never ever use DirecTV)
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To: kinoxi
I don’t know too much about this movie. You seem to take pleasure in it’s proposed failure. Why?

The author is some kind of raving demented off-his-meds atheist, who claims this peculiar movie and its sequel will kill organized religion.

After seeing this completely incoherent, computer graphics to the annonying hilt jibberish last night, God remains safe in the human heart.

15 posted on 12/08/2007 6:28:12 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Anti-war, anti-religious movies are not selling this year, this should be a wake-up call to the liberal elites in Hollywood, but its not.
16 posted on 12/08/2007 6:28:24 PM PST by RatsDawg (Hsu out the Democrats in 2008!, Go Hsu-less vote GOP)
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To: kinoxi
It based on books by a very atheistic/anti-Christian writer.

This movie would be very good for liberals and others who undermine our children...

There is concern that if the movie succeeded, then children would be negatively influenced by the books.

We have enough trouble with children. Example: Syracuse, NY 11-14 year old girls sharing nude photos with boyfriends. Boyfriends make CD, and selling the CD becomes child porn (eleven year old girls are children).

I think President Bill Clinton was part of that negative influence on girls (girls in grade school started doing the Monica L. thing because of Clinton).

17 posted on 12/08/2007 6:29:43 PM PST by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: Chode
...because his books are about killing God

That can only happen to people with dubious Faith.

18 posted on 12/08/2007 6:30:29 PM PST by Rudder
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Related...

http://exposingtheleft.blogspot.com/2007/12/golden-compass-2007s-biggest-bombs.html


19 posted on 12/08/2007 6:31:22 PM PST by traderrob6
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To: Mrs. Don-o
This was a LOW BUDGET FILM to attack Christians -- $140 million.

Atheist writer stands to gain lots from book sales as well as movie box office.

20 posted on 12/08/2007 6:31:27 PM PST by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: kinoxi

The author of the novel is noted by some as being anti-Christian. The novel is the first in a trilogy referred to as His Dark Materials. So I expect that if this movie does well enough, there will be at least two more to follow.


21 posted on 12/08/2007 6:32:23 PM PST by new cruelty
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To: Rudder; kinoxi
Pretty good overview here by Albert Mohler.

Bottom line:
"Pullman has left little doubt about his books' intended thrust in discussions of his work, noting in a 2003 interview that 'my books are about killing God" and in a 2001 interview that he was "trying to undermine the basis of Christian belief."

Source:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/compass.asp

22 posted on 12/08/2007 6:32:53 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Mammalia Primatia Hominidae Homo sapiens. Still working on the "sapiens" part.)
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To: topher
I forgot to turn that HTML tag [sarcasm on] for:

This was a LOW BUDGET FILM to attack Christians -- $140 million.

[sarcasm off]

This was one of the really HIGH DOLLAR FILMS of 2007.

23 posted on 12/08/2007 6:33:04 PM PST by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: Grizzled Bear

Got it.


24 posted on 12/08/2007 6:33:58 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Mammalia Primatia Hominidae Homo sapiens. Still working on the "sapiens" part.)
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To: topher
Do you fear that this movie will become a cult? Most sci-fi books and productions can be classified as anti-Christian or atheist. It’s called entertainment. Some call it free speech. The producers of this movie, which apparently isn’t that good, call your reaction advertisement.
25 posted on 12/08/2007 6:35:50 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: Mrs. Don-o

hope it’s a huge flop!


26 posted on 12/08/2007 6:36:56 PM PST by tutstar (Baptist Ping list - freepmail me to get on or off.)
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To: Rudder

“What’s the big deal with the animosity toward this movie? Some people seem to hate it-—why?”

Here is a link to the BLOG of Dr. Albert Mohler, the President of Southern Baptist Seminary. He does a good job explaining the problem. However, it isn’t a short read. If you really want to understand, you will have to read the whole article:

http://www.almohler.org/blog_read.php?id=1065


27 posted on 12/08/2007 6:38:08 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Rudder
Image hosted by Photobucket.com and children who don't know any better...
28 posted on 12/08/2007 6:38:34 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist)
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To: Rudder; kinoxi

I survived a car crash a few years ago but I sure wouldn’t want to subject myself to it again.

How about this:

From another article: “The entire premise of the trilogy is that Lyra is the child foretold by prophecy who will reverse the curse of the Fall and free humanity from the lie of original sin. Whereas in Christian theology it is Jesus Christ who reverses the curse through His work of atonement on the Cross, Pullman presents his own theology of sorts in which the Fall is reversed through the defiance of these children. As Pullman insists, Eve and Adam were right to eat the forbidden fruit and God was a tyrant to forbid them the fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.”

In The Golden Compass, Lyra and her companions free the children held at this experimental station in the North and destroy it. In The Amber Spyglass, Lyra and Will reverse the story of the Edenic Fall by consummating a sexual act in the garden.

Again, Pullman is not subtle. Keep in mind that this is a series of books marketed to children and adolescents. Lyra puts a red fruit to Will’s lips and Will “knew at once what she meant, and that he was too joyful to speak.” Within moments, the 13-year olds are involved in some kind of unspecified sexual act.

“The word love set his nerves ablaze,” Pullman writes of Will. “All his body thrilled with it, and he answered her in the same words, kissing her hot face over and over again, drinking in with adoration the scent of her body and her warm, honey-fragrant hair and her sweet, moist mouth that tasted of the little red fruit.”

I mean, why would any Christian want to see this movie at all?


29 posted on 12/08/2007 6:41:37 PM PST by I still care ("Remember... for it is the doom of men that they forget" - Merlin, from Excalibur)
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To: Grizzled Bear
"Atheist groups complained that the books Anti Christian theme was watered down."

So it is a religious movie for atheist. Most movies out today seem to be like that. It's rare when a true Christian movie comes out like The Gospel of John, or The Passion of Christ.

Atheists wanting to kill something they don't believe in is very ironic of them. I guess they failed logic 101.

30 posted on 12/08/2007 6:42:14 PM PST by SwordofTruth (God is good all the time.)
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To: new cruelty

How can a book/movie that is explicitly fantastic(fantasy) be simultaneously against reality and taken seriously?


31 posted on 12/08/2007 6:43:31 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: kinoxi
I do not have a problem with Matrix, for example. It has a very interesting concept that it is based on.

But some things are harmful. For example, the movie The Exorcist is based on a true story. Because of a bad influence, a boy in the suburbs of Washington, DC was diabolically possessed by the devil. The novel/movie is based on that true event. The author changed it from a boy in the Maryland suburbs of DC to a girl in Washington, DC.

HARM CAN HAPPEN TO CHILDREN BECAUSE OF MOVIES

But witchcraft is real. And it is my personal belief that people have sold their soul to the devil.

In fact, the Roman Catholic Church requires two miracles for that exact reason. Someone sold their soul to the devil, and it fouled many people into believing the person was endowed with special graces from God.

CS Lewis in the Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, The Witch, and the Wardrobe show some Christian theology, as an example.

The Star Wars movie are based on Eastern Religions, as an exmple.

The original Star Trek TV Series dealt with some very interesting topics for the times. One episode dealt with Sun Worshippers. But in this episode, it turned out that the Sun Worshippers were actually worshipping the Son of God -- the Christ.

32 posted on 12/08/2007 6:44:28 PM PST by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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But the ruckus may actually end up boosting the movie, said Karen Covell.

I'm not so sure about that. These days for many, a family trip to the theater is a $100+ affair. That makes it much easier for negative vibes to kill a release. Who wants to spend that kind of money and time to come away disappointed?

33 posted on 12/08/2007 6:46:04 PM PST by zacharycole
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To: I still care
I mean, why would any Christian want to see this movie at all?

Not me. In fact, the only time I ever encountered anything about it was right here on FR.

34 posted on 12/08/2007 6:47:06 PM PST by Rudder
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To: kinoxi
Swing and a miss. Most Sci Fi and Fantasy are about imagination. This isn’t. The author has stated the intent of the books is to attack Christianity. If you google THE GOLDEN COMPASS or read the threads here, you will get a better understanding. So you don’t get a pass on that. Most of the posts have explained that to you.
This isn’t entertainment, it’s anti Christian anti religion indoctrination.
There are many sci fi fans here that liked LOTR, Star Wars, Star Trek etc. that can peg this for the POS it is.

If you want to produce an anti Christian hate movie, fine. If you hate Christianity and God, that’s up to you. That is free speech. But to hide it in the guise of ‘it’s just a fantasy movie’ is something else again.

35 posted on 12/08/2007 6:47:22 PM PST by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I think the public is tired of medieval-style epic fantasy. It certainly looked boring in the commercials.

I wonder if Hollywood will ever get the message that we liked Lord of the Rings not because of the setting and speech patterns, but because of solid storytelling and interesting character development.


36 posted on 12/08/2007 6:48:19 PM PST by Terpfen (It's your fault, not Pelosi's.)
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To: american_ranger
You don't surf FreeRepublic much, do you? 2. This movie was written by an anti-Christian author who has sworn to destroy Christianity.

I don't frequent these forums too much. Typing hurts my toes. If you feel that this writer is a threat to your religion I might suggest a personal Faith checkup. HE is always available from what I understand.
37 posted on 12/08/2007 6:48:22 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: kinoxi

The author is a meanie.


38 posted on 12/08/2007 6:49:30 PM PST by Krankor (kROGER)
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To: kinoxi
Why not write a book and make movies about doing very hateful/Satanic things -- how to capture and torture people, how to enslave people by taking them (kidnapping them) to a country where they do not speak the language, and enslave them?

Is there a problem with such books/movies?

What about books/movies that influence African-Americans to hate whites and other Americans?

Is putting a NOOSE on a tree FREEDEOM OF SPEECH, or trying to blackmail/intimidate people?

There are ways to deal with such subjects, but evil must be shown as evil...

We started in the 1950s and 1960s to spin good into bad and bad into good. For example -- sex before marriage was considered to be a good thing by these standards.

Being a bad ass was considered the ideal behavior in high school.

Where do incidents like Columbine come from?

Mall Shootings?

Do you think the occult has no harm?

39 posted on 12/08/2007 6:50:08 PM PST by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I see.... I see... Three images... the images of a giant turkey, an outhouse, and an empty bag of popcorn having been thrown at the screen.

What can these mysterious icons tell me?


40 posted on 12/08/2007 6:52:05 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: IrishCatholic
You seem to be a walking advertisement for this movie I could not have cared less about, and still don’t, before this thread. I just asked a question. I’ve also read enough sci-fi to know that virtually all of it can be construed as anti-Christian. I asked because I was lacking information.
41 posted on 12/08/2007 6:52:32 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I see.... I see... Three images... the images of a giant turkey, an outhouse, and an empty bag of popcorn having been thrown at the screen.

What can these mysterious icons tell me?


42 posted on 12/08/2007 6:52:32 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: ClearCase_guy; Mrs. Don-o
controversy...

It's isn't controversy about sex. It's about religion by religious leaders.

It only matters to the faithful

My prediction: Those of the atheist religion will flock to this flick.

They would have needed Pat Robertson complaining about NAKED Polar Bears to bring out the crowds. :>)

43 posted on 12/08/2007 6:52:38 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain! True Supporters of Our Troops Support the Necessity of their Sacrifice!)
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To: kinoxi
What about the fact that this IS A HIGH DOLLAR BUDGET FILM?

Who puts up such huge amounts of money on risky projects?

Lions for Lambs is currently a bomb at the AMERICAN BOX OFFICE.

But it is a very anti-American film (in my opinion) and it is doing well overseas -- in other words this Robert Redford and Tom Cruise are exporting anti-American beliefs to the world.

44 posted on 12/08/2007 6:53:04 PM PST by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I looked at boxofficemojo and it looks like this was the number one movie in the country Friday by a large margin.


45 posted on 12/08/2007 6:53:08 PM PST by Kleon
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To: kinoxi
Apologies.

I am not trying to attack you.

It is more a case of defending my faith from attack (which I view this film as).

Sorry...

46 posted on 12/08/2007 6:53:55 PM PST by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: kinoxi; IrishCatholic; Mrs. Don-o

You seem to be a walking advertisement for this movie I could not have cared less about, and still don’t, before this thread.


You say that you did’t care about it and still don’t care about it... and yet you are still posting on this tread.

Some of your comments almost seem to be defending this movie. Do you have a dog in this fight?


47 posted on 12/08/2007 6:56:29 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Interview with the author of “The Golden Compass”, 2004:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/article494636.ece

It is also a world in which the fall of man, as told in the Bible, represents human emancipation rather than a moral catastrophe and hereditary guilt. Pullman’s preoccupation in the trilogy is nothing less than “man’s first disobedience and the fruit”. In his reprise of Paradise Lost, original sin is a lie, and God is an ancient fallen angel who has perpetrated a creationist con on the human race, wickedly exploited by a viciously inquisitional church.

As the trilogy develops, the central teenage character, Lyra, emerges as a second Eve. In a quest that takes in the literal death of “God”, who is no more than a wizened, foetus-like invalid, Lyra releases human beings from attachment to the afterlife.

The finale is the toppling of the kingdom of heaven and the establishment of a celestial atheistic republic on Earth. Small wonder the Christian right in America are out for his blood.

“It seems to me significant,” rages Pullman, “that George W Bush was depicted endorsing in a Florida classroom a book of stultifying stupidity entitled My Pet Goat while the 9/11 attacks were in progress.”

Reading his new book, The Scarecrow and His Servant, there is a plethora of politics just below the surface adventures of the romping, picaresque story: the destruction of bird species; the power of multinationals; the greed of the mafia; the poisoning of the planet.


48 posted on 12/08/2007 6:57:02 PM PST by LibFreeOrDie (L'Chaim!)
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To: topher
But it is a very anti-American film (in my opinion) and it is doing well overseas -- in other words this Robert Redford and Tom Cruise are exporting anti-American beliefs to the world.

They have been, they will be. I don't like it. I could go so far as to say I detest it. I didn't care one lick about this film either way before this thread. I've caught so much grief over a simple question that I'm tempted to see the darn thing now. ;)
49 posted on 12/08/2007 6:58:37 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: Grizzled Bear
You say that you did’t care about it and still don’t care about it... and yet you are still posting on this tread.

I asked a question. I have received a multitude of responses. I try to respond in kind when possible.
50 posted on 12/08/2007 7:00:39 PM PST by kinoxi
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