Skip to comments.Fox News: Romney mailer “is not true”
Posted on 12/09/2007 6:35:35 PM PST by JRochelle
Chris Wallace of Fox News Sunday called one of Mitt Romneys mailers in New Hampshire "not true." Watch the video.
What is Romneys strategy? Lie about everything through the primary? CNN caught him being dodgy yesterday. But the guy has the money to do it.
I dont think that the Republican Party wants a guy who spends millions of his own money to spread lies about other Republicans. I just think that the party is more decent than that.
UPDATE: Quote of the day from Rudy Giulianis campaign:
"Mitt Romneys already changed his own position on illegal immigration, so it should come as no surprise that hes trying to change everybody elses position as well."
DO NOT PING ME TO YOUR DREK ANY MORE.
As far as perfect as the enemy of the good, I am no fan of that either, hence why I can support Thompson.
However I prefer close enough to perfect over the not even close with the wind at it’s back down hill on a good day.
Anymore wit you want to share, I enjoy entertainment.
And find one place I have said I hate Mitt Romney or made any, and I mean any comments about his faith other than to say he is a Mormon.
Also I will not mention the Jeri is a slut, a stripper and Fred is dying comments from team Mitt over the past few months. Please not the a,most total lack of ANY comments about Mitt's wife however./p>
Get a grip. Mitt is not a Conservative, at least not in deed, though he is pretty and sounds good.
Sorry, that is not enough, but thanks for playing.
Feel free to ping me to your dreck anytime. LOL!
It's as if Duncan Hunter or Lazy Fred had sent out the mailer, people would be cheering them, but because it's from this Morman guy with the great family photo that pisses of a bunch of Freeper/Ham radio operators whose wives left them and kids won't talk to them anymore, suddenly we have to defend McCain and his amnesty bill.
You won't find anywhere that I've defended McCain. And if this "Morman guy" (as you call him) doesn't want his religion to be an issue, perhaps he should stop bringing it up.
Carry on with your Fred-detta...
No offense taken, but what does your opinion of Mitt have to do with Chris Wallace falsly accusing him of being a liar?
My point was just that because the criticism of McCain was coming from Romney, it's odd that folks seem to be more eager than ever to take McCain's side (even though McCain is in the wrong, here).
Wasn’t directed at you. Fred-detta? I like that one. Fred’s not really on my radar, though, since I’m only paying attention to people who are running for president.
WHAT POLITICALMOM SAID.
and yes, i have to agree with Ejonesie in re; the intensely personal trashing of Fred by mitt supporters. you can’t bemoan the breaking of the 11th commandment when those who support your chosen candidate are as quick to throw mud as the next guy. i have personally seen plenty of hateful stuff from mitt supporters directed towards fred. and i have NEVER personally trashed any of the candidates. i will vote for the nominee, and i just pray to God it isn’t Rudy.
I believe my reply in #143 was a general comment not geared to any particular candidate. If you consider electability when considering candidates good for you. We certainly can disagree about who may be electable and who isn't. But to discount it as a consideration all together, is most unwise.
I agree with the above. However, the poster to which you originally commented was talking more about the hate filled rhetoric than sincere and honest criticism and discussion about the various candidates.
and like i said, there is plenty of hatefilled rhetoric issuing forth from Mitt supporters. so i would say that those with unclean hands really can’t cry about that. and while i have never bashed, i can’t assert that no fred supporter has ever bashed, so i accept that there are NO clean hands in this hateful rhetoric. it is a matter of public record on FR that mitt supporters have engaged similarly. we really need to just face facts and not hide behind WELL THEY STARTED IT. there are no clean hands, period.
Why would you think my attempt to clarify a general point made by another poster, has anything to do with you, jonsie?
The topic is "Romney mailer is not true" about McCains record that Christ Wallace try to portray?
Either Christ Wallace did not do his homework or he was misleading!
Now the Fact is Mitt was telling the truth about McCain Record you can read it on McCains own web site.
It is so disapppinting when folks cant show their better self when facts are presented, and not try to change the subject.
If we want better government does it not start with us?
In most of the instances when I do mention Fred, it is to compare/contrast his position on an issue to that of other candidates, or my own chosen candidate.
Sorry to disappoint you XS, but there is no comparison between me and the some of the obsessed haters of various candidates discussed on this forum.
LOL That seems to be a matter of opinion.
Where is the mailer? Has it been posted online? Is it in this thread somewhere that I missed?
It seems to me we cannot ascertain whether or not the mailer “is not true” without reading what claims it makes (ALL of them) and comparing them to the record.
Do you have a link to what he said on his own website?
I think you are being obtuse again. Just look at the clip of Chris Wallace quoting from it. It’s just flat wrong. Dollars do doughnuts the mailer has a footnote with the vote to table the Ensign amendment.
Not remotely disappointed, as i nowhere intimated that YOU were someone who engaged in the behavior. my point is NO one’s CAMP has clean hands. i won’t, but easily could, list a number of mitt supporters who do so engage.
Go back to my post and start over.
We will work on it from there...
I’ll make diagrams if it will help.
I know, being a fan of the socialist Romney in his slick new Conservative costume gets confusing in regards to First Amendment rights and such.
Isn't that the truth? The number of questionable comments made by Mitt supporters about Fred are infinitesimal compared to the daily barrage of Mitt hate spewed by Fred supporters. And, this issue is a great example. Here we have the FNC's Wallace (network shilling for Rudy) and McCain (conservative backstabber) receiving cover for their lies about Mitt's flyer and the truth about McCain's dismal record on illegal aliens. Sad.
Take a deep breath. If you haven't already, go sign up on Willard's site and they will put you to work.
In the four balanced budgets he signed into law, Governor Romney used the line-item veto or program reduction power to cut spending by nearly $1 Billion.
4 years ago --- before the illegals marched in our streets --- Romney opposed a bill that would have allowed illegal aliens to get drivers licenses. "Those who are here illegally should not receive tacit support from our government that gives an indication of legitimacy," the governor said. (Scott S. Greenberger, "Romney Stand Dims Chances Of License For Undocumented," The Boston Globe, 10/28/03)
Romney vetoed a bill in 2004 that would have permitted illegal aliens to pay the same in-state tuition rate paid by citizens at public colleges and universities in Massachusetts.
Romney vetoed the bill providing state funding for human embryonic stem cell research
Governor Romney filed a bill enabling Massachusetts prosecutors to seek the death penalty in cases of first-degree murders that were committed as an act of political terrorism, assassination of law enforcement officials, or multiple killings. Massachusetts is one of only 12 states that do not have a capital punishment sentencing option.
Romney vetoed a bill that provided for the "morning after pill" without a prescription because it is an abortifacient and would have been available to minors without parental notification and consent
He vetoed legislation which would have redefined Massachusetts longstanding definition of the beginning of human life from fertilization to implantation
Governor Romney strongly supported a successful ballot initiative that replaced the state's bilingual program with English immersion. (Romney Vows to Protect English Immersion Law, May 1, 2003)
Governor Romney demonstrated his commitment to school-choice by vetoing a bill that would have canceled funding for Massachusetts' charter-school program. (Romney to Veto Charter School Moratorium, June 23, 2004)
He supported parental notification laws and opposed efforts to weaken parental involvement
He fought to promote abstinence education in public school classrooms with a program offered by faith-based Boston group Healthy Futures to middle school students.
Over the course of four budgets, Governor Romney made over 300 line-item reductions, 350 line-item eliminations and struck language 150 times.
Gov. Romney was instrumental in passing a bill abolishing a retroactive capital gains tax in the state that would have forced nearly 50,000 taxpayers to pay an additional $200 million in state taxes and fees
Romney diligently lobbied Congress in favor of a Federal Marriage Amendment (FMA) to the U.S. Constitution defining marriage to be between one man and one woman. Romney testified before the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee on the Federal Marriage Amendment, and sent a letter to all 100 U.S. Senators on June 2, 2006 asking them to vote for the Amendment
Maybe they were during...
No wait, some of those were back when he favored gay rights...
Or was it he was against them...
Ah, yeah, some of these were during Romney Care....
It is all so confusing when you have some one playing at being a Conservative...
You guys have been peddling that crap for a while and looks like you have made few if any converts among the very knowledgeable Conservatives on the Net's top political web site.
If numerous people come in from outside wet and tell you it's raining, take their word for it.
All 1500-2000 of us Fred supporters and others will now join you couple of hundred folk who support Mitt because we were all wrong, we can’t read and have no sense of history.
Damn you are good. You have totally change the definition of what it means to be a Conservative.
LOL. There’s a real world out there outside of FR. If FR was truly representative, today’s poll results would be far different and Bush would never have been elected in 2000 according to old FR poll results. It’s nice you all have such a big group of friends here, but let’s not get carried away.
Yes, I live in it, it is where Mitt is not a conservative either.
I have taken the time to look up the references. Here is the text of the amendment:
To reduce document fraud, prevent identity theft, and preserve the integrity of the Social Security system, by ensuring that persons who receive an adjustment of status under this bill are not able to receive Social Security benefits as a result of unlawful activity.
This was an amendment to the overall Comprehensive Immigration Reform bill. The question in play here is did McCain vote for or against this amendment’s being attached to the bill.
The references in the biased website posted earlier in the thread that claimed McCain DID vote AGAINST attaching this amendment was invalid. The reference went only to the final vote on the overall Comprehensive Immigration bill, and we know McCain voted in favor of that — but that is not the issue of Romney’s flier. What was needed is to see the vote on just this amendment and how McCain voted on it.
The answer is here. It is very hard to work through the Senate text, but this appears to be it:
This indicates that a vote on the amendment was taken. The anti comprehensive reform forces voted YAY. The pro comprehensive reform forces voted NO.
McCain voted NO on that vote. This does appear to indicate Romney’s flier is “accurate” to the extent most such things are. A better description would be “justified” in the context that such extreme interpretations are normal in campaigns. McCain was voting to try to save that bill from killer amendments and might not explicitly support the overall idea, but he did vote NAY and that means the flier is valid.
This is normal stuff. Wallace calling this “not true” is incorrect. The Senate record is right there.
Yeah, and Romney is completely honest when he says he "longed to be in Vietnam" when John McCain was sweating it out in a North Vietnamese prison.
I know Hillary went after Obama because of what he said in kindergarten. Are you going to go that far?
Now, just to put in context how pathetic your comparison is, McCain to this DAY insists his bill was not an amnesty bill. How do you square that?
Well, the most pressing issue for me (and I would hope for most Americans) is the Global War on Terror. Immigration takes a back seat...Having recently visited China and seen a lot of "ABCs" (American Born Chinese) there, my hope is that the illegal Hispanics will eventually return to their own countries when those nations throw off the culture of El Caudillo politics and envy for Yankquismo to develop their natural resources and prosper as we have. So to answer you question McCain, I feel, is the most qualified to fight the war on terror.
So what was the lie?