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The Transcript of the GOP's Univision Debate
Townhall ^ | 12/09/2007 | Hugh Hewitt

Posted on 12/09/2007 8:37:28 PM PST by Ultra Sonic 007

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To: Kevmo
Fred really doesn’t have much room to maneuver, either. By hedging on Federalism for abortion and the 14th amendment on immigration, he alienates conservatives.

He hasn't alienated me, because I understand what he's proposing. He's not looking to pander to conservatives or Christian voters by making nice noises about Constitutional Amendments that he, and those who ARE making those noises, know will never happen in our lifetimes, if ever. Instead of talking about the issue, he wants to actually DO something.

51 posted on 12/09/2007 10:53:37 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: AuntB
Isn’t that a contradiction to his recent statements. So he thinks the 14th is being interpreted correctly?

Accepting the fact that, up til now, the courts have allowed 'anchor babies' doesn't necessarily mean that he wants that practice to continue. It sounded to me like he was talking about the ones who are already here. I don't think it will take a Constitutional amendment to change the anchor baby practice. I believe it can be done by a vote of Congress. Of course that will be challenged, and it will likely go to the Supremes, but it would be a good way to open the practice up to debate, which hasn't happened yet.

52 posted on 12/09/2007 11:02:47 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ

He’s not looking to pander to conservatives or Christian voters by making nice noises about Constitutional Amendments that he, and those who ARE making those noises, know will never happen in our lifetimes, if ever.
***Hunter sees things the same way evangelical christians do, so he ain’t pandering, but when we see a Thompson supporter saying that it’s pandering for her own candidate to support a pro-life position, it shows he’s gone off into the weeds.

Instead of talking about the issue, he wants to actually DO something.
***I get the opposite impression. I get the impression that he wishes the issue would go away and he attempts to nuance his position to appear centrist.

Posted on 04/11/2007 11:11:59 PM PDT by FairOpinion
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-rlc/1815999/posts

On Abortion: “Government should stay out of it... The ultimate decision must be made by the women... Government should treat its citizens as adults capable of making moral decisions on their own.” — Fred Thompson, July 1994

Thompson said he opposes making early-term abortions a crime, as some Republicans would like to do with a constitutional amendment. “But I don’t think you should bolt on one issue. I’m still not convinced platforms are a good idea. We know what we believe in and I don’t think we need to write it all down in a document,” Thompson said. (AP, 8/6/96)
Furthermore, I’m adding this from the American Spectator posted just a few days ago:

In the interview, Thompson was asked: “Some conservatives got flustered by your comments on abortion and Roe vs. Wade. Would you like to explain your position on abortion?”
Thompson answered: “Government should stay out of it. No public financing. The ultimate decision must be made by the woman. Government should treat its citizens as adults capable of making moral decisions on their own.”


53 posted on 12/09/2007 11:17:17 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Interesting tidbit from the poll on Univision’s website:

¿Tienes pensado votar por algún candidato del Partido Republicano en las elecciones del 2008?

Sí 65%

No 32%

Todavía no lo sé 4%

65% of the respondents say they are thinking about voting for a Republican in 2008.


54 posted on 12/09/2007 11:39:54 PM PST by Choose Ye This Day ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: AuntB

I read a good part of the first transcript. I noticed he did not introduce Duncan Hunter. I scanned the second transcript and noticed the same thing. I wondered if there was some mistake and it was n’t added to the transcript. There are introductions for all candidates but Hunter. It could just be the typical marginalizations of Hunter, though. It was frustrating to scan it and see Giuliani, Romney, Huckabee, McCain, and to an extent, Thompson, getting the bulk of the questions and more time to speak. I commend Duncan Hunter for doing a great job with the questions asked to him and in the time alloted.


55 posted on 12/09/2007 11:53:54 PM PST by Pinkbell (Duncan Hunter 2008 - Protecting and Restoring America)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Thank you so very much for posting this!


56 posted on 12/10/2007 12:23:19 AM PST by GOP Poet
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Thanks for posting the transcript!


57 posted on 12/10/2007 12:50:23 AM PST by Just A Nobody (PISSANT for President '08 - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: mkjessup

Hunter was very good. Impressive. Glad he went and glad he got his message out.


58 posted on 12/10/2007 1:19:53 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (DUNCAN HUNTER: SOLID! On; Illegals, N. Korea, Iran. Iraq, Economy, WOT, China, Business)
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To: pattty
Yep, DUNCAN HUNTER WAS EXCEPTIONAL.

Lots of people who never heard of him could hear him without the MSM ignoring him. As it is, CNN and others just cut him out, but in outakes and photographs.

I am glad he could be there to communicate. I would hope it picks up some votes for him from new, legal American immigrants voting for the first time, who are DISGUSTED at all the illegal immigrants making demands but not doing it the legal way like they should have. Duncan did not compromise on this and I think he was respected as a result. He certainly did not get booed.

59 posted on 12/10/2007 1:22:20 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (DUNCAN HUNTER: SOLID! On; Illegals, N. Korea, Iran. Iraq, Economy, WOT, China, Business)
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To: AuntB
HUNTER DID VERY VERY WELL.

He engaged, was not scared, went straight into it, without altering his position.

I would like to see him start picking up Tancredo support, from those who might be wobbling between Tanc and him.

60 posted on 12/10/2007 1:25:48 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (DUNCAN HUNTER: SOLID! On; Illegals, N. Korea, Iran. Iraq, Economy, WOT, China, Business)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Thanks for posting this. I will re-read it tomorrow. I can’t imagine a bunch of democrats doing quite as well as the republicans. May it was worth going before this audience.

One thing I do know, is the Hispanic community that has fought long and hard to become legal citizens, do not want that right squandered by illegal immigration. Republicans have missed this point intirely in the past!


61 posted on 12/10/2007 1:34:18 AM PST by TheLion
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To: AuntB
Am I reading this right...the moderator introduced each of the candidates except Hunter? Tell me I’m wrong, please.

You are reading correctly, but both transcripts are wrong. I did watch the beginning of the debate on KMEX in Los Angeles. Hunter was introduced along with the others.

62 posted on 12/10/2007 2:35:30 AM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Yossarian; Admin Moderator

Yossarian’s transcript is much cleaner. Could you replace the original post with this one?


63 posted on 12/10/2007 3:14:10 AM PST by Ultra Sonic 007 (Look at all the candidates. Choose who you think is best. Choose wisely in 2008.)
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To: calcowgirl

“Hunter was introduced along with the others.”

That’s good to hear.


64 posted on 12/10/2007 4:07:49 AM PST by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-God/life/borders, understands Red China threat, NRA A+rating! www.gohunter08.com)
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To: AuntB

“Isn’t that a contradiction to his recent statements.”

Seems like most of Fred’s “new” plan for illegal immigration is a contradiction to his previous statements. IMO, Fred is still talking out of both sides of his mouth. Had he wanted to be clear about the 14th Amendment, he could have easily stated that it needed to be clarified to disallow giving anchor babies legal status. Instead, he chose to be vague. In other instances his “new” plan is a complete flip flop (employer penalties). And because he has stated that he only opposes blanket amnesty and that we must first determine who is here and give them aspirations of citizenship, I am wondering how this fits with his declaration of being anti-amnesty. Huckabee and Bush have also stated that they are anti-amnesty and illegals must go “to the end of the line”, but, at the same time would be willing to allow illegals to ‘touchback’ and return, not having to wait at the end of the line in their home country. This may be what Fred has in mind for (non-criminal?) illegal aliens. Even Romney’s answer was more specific than Freds. Bottom line, he’s keeping everyone guessing on exactly what he means. I just don’t trust him.


65 posted on 12/10/2007 4:21:22 AM PST by Kimberly GG (Support Duncan Hunter in YOUR State....http://duncanhunter.meetup.com/1/)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Good stuff.


66 posted on 12/10/2007 4:28:47 AM PST by cripplecreek (Only one consistent conservative in this race and his name is Hunter.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

ugh! It is like a little Jimmy Carter. They want jobs and Minister Mike will give em jobs. People and markets make jobs not some populist politican!

MODERATOR: Governor Huckabee, how do you explain the decline of support to Republicans by Hispanics?

HUCKABEE: I think Hispanics want the same thing everybody wants.

They want jobs. They want education. They want to know that they’re going to be able to live with freedom. If the Republicans only got 30 percent of the vote, somehow we didn’t do a very good job of communicating that that’s what we would provide in terms of opportunity and fairness.

It says more about our party and our need to reach out thank it does about than it does about the Hispanic population of this country.

If we’re really serious about truly saying we want more than 30 percent of the vote, then as we look at issues like education we’ll understand that while the dropout rate from high school is 30 percent among all populations, it’s 50 percent among Hispanics.

HUCKABEE: We’ve got to change that by creating personalized education that focuses on perpetuating what’s good for students, not just making what’s good for the school.

There’s also issues and disparities between diabetes and other issues of health. So I think, if our policies reflect lifting people up, we’ll get the vote.


67 posted on 12/10/2007 4:42:17 AM PST by ridge
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To: All; Petronski; jellybean; pissant; Calpernia; Kevmo; AuntB; Antoninus; redgirlinabluestate
Photos of the debate.

Some favorites:


Wonder what Rudy and the Huckster look so tense about. LOL


Fred.


Hunter and Lady Liberty.

68 posted on 12/10/2007 5:13:30 AM PST by Ultra Sonic 007 (Look at all the candidates. Choose who you think is best. Choose wisely in 2008.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Thank you!

Duncan Hunter for president!


69 posted on 12/10/2007 5:15:08 AM PST by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue. It is the business of all of humanity.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Does anyone other than me see the irony in having a debate among presidential candidates on a network that caters to people who don’t speak english?


70 posted on 12/10/2007 5:17:52 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government, Benito Guilinni a short man in search of a balcony)
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To: SuziQ
Thank you for a cogent response to the perceived minimum wiggle room for Fred. Apparently this site has more RINO’s cloaking themselves as conservatives. Anyone suing this forum to advance anyone but Thompson and Hunter and Tracado are pseudo republicans and lack conservative values.
71 posted on 12/10/2007 5:27:23 AM PST by captnorb
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To: Kevmo
If the liberal evangelical Huckabee can take the lead from out of nowhere, so can Hunter the true conservative evangelical. .

But he needs the help of the MSM and he's not going to get it.

72 posted on 12/10/2007 5:38:51 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

That’s for darn sure.


73 posted on 12/10/2007 5:47:29 AM PST by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: pissant
Can anyone tell me why Ron Paul is even up there? From his rhetoric he should be running as a Democrat. He uses the exact same rhetoric as them in virtually every one of his statements.
74 posted on 12/10/2007 6:13:49 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Hillary Clinton has never done one thing right. She thinks that qualifies her to be President?)
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To: MNJohnnie

The dude needs to learn some basic history.


75 posted on 12/10/2007 6:25:03 AM PST by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: AuntB
“It’s late, I’ve got a toothache, I’ve scanned 2 transcripts. Am I reading this right...the moderator introduced each of the candidates except Hunter? Tell me I’m wrong, please.”

That is what it looks like to me. Perhaps the person who did the transcript left out the introduction of Hunter, just don’t know. I also noticed that they mentioned the marital status of all the candidates and how many children and/or grandchildren they have, except for Thompson.

76 posted on 12/10/2007 6:28:04 AM PST by seekthetruth
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To: tyke
Like it or not, the US is home to the 5th largest Spanish speaking community in the world and the majority of them live in states the Republicans have to win to keep the presidency in 2008. This is not the old Cuban community that can be placated by keeping the embargo on Castro in place.

If they are American citizens and can vote, they should know English. Why should the candidates depend on translators to communicate their message? We need to make English the OFFICIAL language of this country or we will be Balkanized along cultural and linguistic lines. We see what has happened in Canada.

77 posted on 12/10/2007 6:31:15 AM PST by kabar
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To: Kimberly GG
You mischaracterize Fred's plan. I suggest you read it. It is the most detailed of all the candidates. He is for attrition through enforcement.
78 posted on 12/10/2007 6:37:32 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

“We see what has happened in Canada.”

Off topic...but yeah...I see what has happened in Canada...they actually exploit their vast reserves of oil and gas while we ignore ours.


79 posted on 12/10/2007 6:38:46 AM PST by Sunnyflorida (Drill in the Gulf of Mexico/Anwar, etc and we can join OPEC!!!)
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To: ridge
HUCKABEE: If you can get an American Express card in two weeks, it shouldn't take seven years to get a work permit to come to this country in order to work on a farm.

(APPLAUSE)

So if our government is incapable of making that process in that length of time, then we should do it in a way to outsource it. And here's why: When people come to this country, they shouldn't fear. They shouldn't live in hiding. They ought to have their heads up, because the one thing about being an American is, we believe every person ought to have his or her head up and proud, and nobody should have to be in hiding because they're illegal when our government ought to make it so that people can reasonably come here in a legal fashion."

Huckabee is using the old Pence touch back scam. He is pro-amnesty because he is "compassionate."

80 posted on 12/10/2007 6:44:13 AM PST by kabar
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To: Sunnyflorida
Off topic...but yeah...I see what has happened in Canada...they actually exploit their vast reserves of oil and gas while we ignore ours.

You are right, it is off topic.

81 posted on 12/10/2007 6:45:48 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar; pissant; Petronski; OB1kNOb

UGH. Did Huckabee really just try to equate an American Express card with American citizenship?!

Oy.


82 posted on 12/10/2007 6:50:03 AM PST by Ultra Sonic 007 (Look at all the candidates. Choose who you think is best. Choose wisely in 2008.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Huckabee views the illegal immigration issue as a paperwork processing issue. He is not against it, but rather, he thinks we ought to bring them in here faster and more efficiently.


83 posted on 12/10/2007 6:52:26 AM PST by kabar
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Huckabee is a panderer extraordinaire.


84 posted on 12/10/2007 6:55:44 AM PST by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Bump for DH--in English


85 posted on 12/10/2007 7:16:29 AM PST by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Six questions, six answers.

I wonder what the ratio is for the other candidates. Or was this debate actually the most fair in terms of how many questions candidates were asked?


86 posted on 12/10/2007 7:32:31 AM PST by wastedyears (One Marine vs. 550 consultants. Sounds like good odds to me.)
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To: County Agent Hank Kimball
Anybody catch this little nugget?
"We can afford universal coverage, but not, until and not even close until we first have health, rather than just focus on health coverage."

I caught it...immediately!!!

The Hucka-Nanny lives on!


Go Hunter '08

87 posted on 12/10/2007 7:40:01 AM PST by Just A Nobody (PISSANT for President '08 - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: Kevmo
I get the impression that he wishes the issue would go away and he attempts to nuance his position to appear centrist.

Perhaps it is more of an attempt to appear conservative. He is already a centrist.

The Centrist Coalition is a group of moderate Democrats and Republicans seeking common ground and compromise on issues. ... The Centrist Coalition helps to bridge the two parties...

The name of the Senate Centrist Coalition is "Third Way," subtitled, "A Senate-Focused Progressive Advocacy Group."

The group also exerted influence in helping to push for enactment of the McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform bill
Coalition Members (107th Congress) -- included FRED THOMPSON

From your link:
McCloskey saw him [Fred] as a Celebrity counter-force to the Religious Right/Pro-Lifers that could win the GOP Nomination.

Same argument we are hearing today.

88 posted on 12/10/2007 8:04:37 AM PST by Just A Nobody (PISSANT for President '08 - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007; Duncan Hunter Ambassador; pissant; Paperdoll; AuntB; Kevmo; WalterSkinner; ...

PING to Duncan Hunter fans. Go vote here.....http://polls.newsmax.com/gop2008/?PROMO_CODE=3A77-1


89 posted on 12/10/2007 8:13:16 AM PST by beachn4fun (With the holidays fast approaching, remember the deployed troops. A care package shows you care.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo; All
Yes he did!

Hunter: After that, 12 million more people came in. If we give an amnesty to this next batch of 12 million people, you will have a third wave of people coming in expecting to catch the third amnesty. You know, this lady behind me represents a lot of things. One is welcoming immigrants to America. The other is the rule of law. We have to establish the rule of law, and

people who are here illegally have to go home.

Where are all the folks that said they would vote for the first person that said this?

90 posted on 12/10/2007 8:14:41 AM PST by Just A Nobody (PISSANT for President '08 - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: SuziQ
I'm going to make this as clear to you as possible. You are trying to interpret what just happened in a way that makes sense to you and your sensibilities, which attribute some sort of good will on the part of the Mexicans who pulled this stunt.

YOU ARE WRONG. THEY CAN SPEAK ENGLISH JUST FINE WHEN NEEDED. THEY HAVE NO INTENTION OF DOING SO. ASSIMILATION IS SURRENDER TO THEM, AND THEY HAVE NO INTENTION OF SURRENDERING.

I don't know where you live now or what exposure you have had to "hispanics". As a group, I have experienced their animosity over and over and over again: THEY TELL YOU IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS THAT SOMEDAY YOU WILL SPEAK SPANISH, AND THEY WILL NOT HAVE TO SPEAK THE HATED ANGLO LANGUAGE.

Ask almost anyone on this forum who lives in the Southwest. We've all been exposed.

No. You're wrong.

It is a matter of cultural and national conquest to them, and they take that seriously. Unlike you.

Suzi...I'm from the border. With Mexico. I didn't come by my opinions by accident. They come from exposure to these guys. ASK ANYONE FROM HERE.

I believe your estimate of 6% Hispanics is low

Pew Hispanic Center report

Believe me, Pew doesn't underreport.

Strutting, exaggerting, bragging, thumping your chest in comical self importance are all part of the Big Man Caudillo act. Inflating the numbers is not beyond them. But in a generation, they will be right - it's going to be 20%, largely due to negligence on the part of this President and his three predecessors.

how do you propose they're going to do that?

Simple. By walking in and staging abominations like Spanish Presidential debates, and demanding that the laws against them taking over be abandoned (like birthright citizenship for the children of illegal aliens), special privileges that reward their ethnicity and language (afrirmative action for the Conquistadors?), and forcing us to subsidize them.

Many have been here for years, but still converse better in their native tongues than in English

I know many Germans and French who live in Germany and France who speak perfect English having only learned it in school. I met a woman the other evening who married a citizen 10 years ago and moved here from Wurzburg who now speaks unaccented American English. She sounds like she's from Redondo Beach. When in American history was anything like this necessary? Were the 1920 election debates held in Italian?

You know and understand nothing of what is happening here. It is a full scale invasion and takeover mounted by a foreign government - mainly the government of Mexico. They saw the weakness of the Baby Boom generation, and decided to exploit it.

They appear to be fabulously successful. Largely because people like yourself give them ground.

91 posted on 12/10/2007 8:14:46 AM PST by Regulator
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

LOVE that last pic!


92 posted on 12/10/2007 8:28:06 AM PST by Just A Nobody (PISSANT for President '08 - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

thanks for the ping.


93 posted on 12/10/2007 8:31:30 AM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: calcowgirl

Thanks, calcowgirl.


94 posted on 12/10/2007 8:54:03 AM PST by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: AuntB

You’re welcome. (I hope the toothache is better!)


95 posted on 12/10/2007 9:05:21 AM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Kevmo
Fred has always thought that the FEDERAL government should not be involved in the abortion decision, but he personally believes that the unborn child is a human being, and has been saying just that. He has seen what has happened because of the Supreme Court decision, which took any semblance of voter involvement out of the issue. What we have today is polarization because people believe, quite rightly, that their opinions are not being heard and that their efforts to reduce abortion are being blocked because of the Roe v Wade roadblock.

I say that politicians claiming to support the HLA are pandering because they can talk until they are blue in the face, but they won't get the Amendment passed, so they're not saving one single baby with all their talking. We've already seen that having both the White House and Congress in Republican hands didn't do anything to move that along. Why not look at other ways to solve the problem? What Fred has proposed is something that could be done within the next few years, as members of the Supreme court retire, or die, and need to be replaced. He has already said that he would appoint strict constructionists to the Court who do not believe that is in the Court's purview to legislate from the bench. This attitude would go beyond unlimited abortion to homosexual 'marriage' and other societal changes that liberals love to force on the populace through Court mandates, because they know that those things would likely never pass if the voters got the chance to weigh in on them.

If Roe v Wade is overturned, the major stumbling block to states in their efforts to severely restrict abortion will have been removed. This would result in thousands of babies being saved each year because women would no longer have that 'back up birth control', and would likely change their behavior because of it. It would also mean that every voter would have the chance to made a difference in his or her own state regarding abortion, and not feel like the issue is completely out of their hands. Yes, there will be some states that allow the practice, but even then, you will see that voters will be loathe to allow it for more than the hard cases like REPORTED rape or incest, or in the case of a direct threat to the LIFE of the mother.

96 posted on 12/10/2007 9:06:46 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: Regulator

“YOU ARE WRONG. THEY CAN SPEAK ENGLISH JUST FINE WHEN NEEDED. THEY HAVE NO INTENTION OF DOING SO. ASSIMILATION IS SURRENDER TO THEM, AND THEY HAVE NO INTENTION OF SURRENDERING.....It is a matter of cultural and national conquest to them, and they take that seriously”

You’ve summarized this well, Regulator. The ‘we are the world’ crowd simply won’t admit that all cultures are NOT the same. Even Calderone admits the difference.

Mexico president says ‘culture of machismo’ still strong

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/11/26/america/LA-GEN-Mexico-Machismo.php

Let me give you a history story about ‘assimiliaton’. Early in the 1800’s the Cherokee realized if they were to survive they had to ‘assimilate’ to the White power structure. They developed their own written language and in a matter of a few months virtually all of them learned to read and write it. At the same time they hired missionaries and teachers, sent their children to Dartmouth and where ever they could to learn and ‘assimilate’.

The point? If those ignorant ‘savages’ could do it 200 years ago with NO help from the government, I have no sympathy for the whiners of today.


97 posted on 12/10/2007 9:12:07 AM PST by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: Regulator
You know and understand nothing of what is happening here. It is a full scale invasion and takeover mounted by a foreign government - mainly the government of Mexico. They saw the weakness of the Baby Boom generation, and decided to exploit it.

Must be a perception thing. I don't see American voters falling over backwards to accommodate Mexico in any takeover bid. You seem to be fixated on Mexicans, and maybe your area of the country has a problem, but I don't see many illegal MEXICAN immigrants. The illegals in my area of the country are more likely from the former Soviet states, or Ireland.

Yes, Hispanic radicals made a lot of noise last year in their marches, and they got exactly NOWHERE because of it. These were the Reconquista people who I lump in the same category as the Black Power folks from the 1970's. They made a lot of noise, but their radicalism did them in. Black people made their way in society, and Spanish speaking immigrants will do the same thing, as they work their way up the economic ladder, no thanks to the blowhards in their midst.

And you can yell all you want, but not all Spanish speaking immigrants are unwilling to assimilate. Sure, they like the cultural trappings from their home country, so do the Italians and Irish who have big celebrations and parades and keep their cultures alive in their households. I'm not threatened by St. Patrick's Day parades or the Feast of San Gennaro, and Cinco de Mayo doesn't scare me either.

98 posted on 12/10/2007 9:22:47 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: seekthetruth; Kimberly GG; calcowgirl; All

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99 posted on 12/10/2007 9:22:56 AM PST by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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Like it or not there is a huge block of legal Hispanic people in our country. They do vote.

It would be nice if they became fully American and fluent in English. That was MY point, not what the national origin or ethnicity of a person is. We are increasingly becoming a bi-lingual nation, with parallel "cultures." I don't think that is good for America.

100 posted on 12/10/2007 9:25:38 AM PST by La Enchiladita
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