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Flying Humans, Hoping to Land With No Chute
NY Times ^ | December 10, 2007 | MATT HIGGINS

Posted on 12/09/2007 11:48:50 PM PST by neverdem

Jeb Corliss wants to fly — not the way the Wright brothers wanted to fly, but the way we do in our dreams. He wants to jump from a helicopter and land without using a parachute.

And his dream, strange as it sounds, is not unique. Around the globe, Mr. Corliss said, at least a half-dozen groups — in France, South Africa, New Zealand, Russia and the United States — have the same goal in mind. Although nobody is waving a flag, the quest has evoked the spirit of nations’ pursuits of Everest and the North and South Poles.

“All of this is technically possible,” said Jean Potvin, a physics professor at Saint Louis University and a skydiver who does parachute research for the Army. But he acknowledged a problem: “The thing I’m not sure of is your margins in terms of safety, or likelihood to crash.”

Loïc Jean-Albert of France, better known as Flying Dude in a popular YouTube video, put it more bluntly: “You might do it well one time and try another time and crash and die.”

The landing, as one might expect, poses the biggest challenge, and each group has a different approach. Most will speak in only the vaguest terms out of fear that someone will steal their plans.

Mr. Corliss will wear nothing more than a wing suit, an invention that, aeronautically speaking, is more flying squirrel than bird or plane.

He plans to land on a specially designed runway of his own design. It will borrow from the principles of Nordic ski jumping and will cost about $2 million, which explains why he is so much more vocal than the others about his quest.

Mr. Jean-Albert figures he could glide to a stop on a snowy mountainside...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: chute; flying; flyinghumans; parachute; parachuting; sans; sansparachute; sports
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Axel Koester for The New York Times, left; Perry Trowbridge/AFP
Jeb Corliss, left, is dreaming of flying with just a wing suit, and maybe a prayer. Right, skydivers with wing suits flying over the Florida Keys before releasing their parachutes. Recent innovations could soon make it possible to land without relying on a parachute.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/10/sports/othersports/10flying.html?hp
Copy and paste that url for the regular webpage with a video.

James Bond-style strap-on jet pack flying wing to extend special forces' reach

1 posted on 12/09/2007 11:48:52 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem
The guy on the left needs one of these:


2 posted on 12/09/2007 11:53:53 PM PST by Huntress (The essence of war is violence. Moderation in war is imbecility.--Admiral Sir John Arbuthnot Fisher)
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To: neverdem

I’m betting it’s going to hurt- real bad.


3 posted on 12/09/2007 11:59:41 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: neverdem

Hold mah beer.


4 posted on 12/10/2007 12:00:25 AM PST by MaxMax (God Bless America)
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To: neverdem
What could possibly go wrong with this brilliant idea?

And I didn't know that there was competition to win the fabled Darwin Award.


5 posted on 12/10/2007 12:04:11 AM PST by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: FormerACLUmember
I thought they already did this stuff in the 1930's.


6 posted on 12/10/2007 12:07:00 AM PST by Dumpster Baby ("Hope somebody finds me before the rats do .....")
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To: neverdem

ROFL...i thought this was about the flying imams wanting to land without a chute!!! I was all for it!


7 posted on 12/10/2007 12:09:12 AM PST by Chani
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To: neverdem
This is for wimps! I plan to sign up to sky dive from outer space, 60 miles up.


8 posted on 12/10/2007 12:11:02 AM PST by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: neverdem

Landing without a parachute is easy. The trick is doing it twice.


9 posted on 12/10/2007 12:12:03 AM PST by Slings and Arrows ("Bush is destroying the solar system:The ice caps on Mars are shrinking too." --Right_Wing_Madman)
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To: neverdem
Unless their suits can produce enough lift at very slow speeds, it's not going to happen. There are very good reasons why hang-gliders have lifting surfaces as large as they do.

Now, if they wanted to make rather complicated personal wings with slats and flaps, I'd be more convinced, but it's not going to be from a webbed suit like this.

In order to even experience wing-in-ground effect (provided these suits actually create useable lift) he'd have to be only a couple feet off the ground, which is too low for him to even put his feet down.

Besides, with "wings" this small, he'd really have to be cooking and he wouldn't want to even think about touching the ground at that speed.

10 posted on 12/10/2007 12:14:05 AM PST by Squeako (Don't get fat, let Al Gore ease your burden. Buy his Calorie Credits and Save The World.)
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To: Squeako

This thread is as funny as it is interesting. I just hope my husband who has sky dived in the past doesn’t read this and get any bright ideas LOL...Hey Mr.Beauty, if you are reading this...I think this is a bad idea! LOL


11 posted on 12/10/2007 12:28:07 AM PST by Republican_Beauty
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To: neverdem
newsreporter: Wow! Landing without a parachute! That was fantastic! Most amazing we have ever seen. Will you be doing that again?

jumpee: slowly shakes his head: I....just.....don't....think....I....want....to....do....that.....again

12 posted on 12/10/2007 12:34:41 AM PST by Eternal_Bear
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To: neverdem

Cool!
This is exactly the kind of story the NY Times should concentrate on, and back away from helping the rats turn America into a Euro-style, secular-socialist welfare state.


13 posted on 12/10/2007 12:37:13 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: neverdem

You can see similar flying around the Alps:

http://www.biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=4262


14 posted on 12/10/2007 12:38:59 AM PST by BigBobber
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“Flying Dude” on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmZyB_ghpa0

Pretty incredible low ‘flying’ in the clip. Very fast, very low. (Spoiler - he opens a chute to land.) But it looks nothing like possible to land in this glide suit.

Then there’s this flying dude:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkbJzoRg-KA


15 posted on 12/10/2007 1:13:16 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Squeako
Now, if they wanted to make rather complicated personal wings with slats and flaps, I'd be more convinced, but it's not going to be from a webbed suit like this.

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16 posted on 12/10/2007 1:17:47 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck is the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aren't going.)
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To: Dumpster Baby

17 posted on 12/10/2007 1:36:17 AM PST by JoeSixPack1
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To: neverdem

Where’s Super Dave Osborne, now that we need him?

I once saw a helmet cam clip taken by a base jumper whose chute streamered. He’d jumped off of a dam. He bounced off of it a couple of times, then smacked into rocky dirt at the bottom. He broke multiple bones, but survived.
After hearing the sounds that came out of this guy, the notion that ‘in the air, altitude is life’ became even more firmly fixed in my brain.
I used to skydive. I shied away from base jumping at the time, and am glad I did. No low jumps, no low pulls.
And DEFINITELY no jumping without a chute. :-)


18 posted on 12/10/2007 1:40:59 AM PST by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: MrEdd
I'm aware of this wing. But, you'll note that he also did not land without a parachute. He was able to achieve level flight for a bit (until his micro-jet turbines ran out of fuel), but he had to deploy a parachute to land and had to jump out of an airplane to begin his flight.

Plus, his wing was a simple foil, lacking any of the lift devices such as slats and flaps. It all boils down the getting the landing speed down to something reasonable, e.g. walking or running speed. So I really don't see how they're accomplishing anything aside from enjoying and extended-distance fall.

People are already doing what these fellas want to do. Here is someone in a foot-launched powered hang glider, taking off from a trot and landing on his feet.


19 posted on 12/10/2007 1:45:29 AM PST by Squeako (Don't get fat, let Al Gore ease your burden. Buy his Calorie Credits and Save The World.)
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To: neverdem
"As God is my witness....."


20 posted on 12/10/2007 1:53:15 AM PST by Dumpster Baby ("Hope somebody finds me before the rats do .....")
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To: Eternal_Bear
Nah. The 'jumpee' is the poor fellow that the jumper lands on top of...

;^)

21 posted on 12/10/2007 2:06:07 AM PST by SAJ
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To: neverdem
I want to be there and greet him with my shovel. Personally , I can't understand wanting to jump out of a perfectly good airplane.
22 posted on 12/10/2007 2:19:14 AM PST by dalereed
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To: SAJ

The movie was The Silver Chalice. Jack Palance played Simon the Magician, who proclaimed he could fly from the top of the tower.

Said a disappointed onlooker after it was over “He didn’t fly”.


23 posted on 12/10/2007 2:25:04 AM PST by JohnnyP
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To: JohnnyP
Hey, I believe you, not a problem.

I was just clarifying the difference between 'jumper' and 'jumpee'.

;^)

24 posted on 12/10/2007 2:34:40 AM PST by SAJ
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To: neverdem
1) One way to get suicide bombers into a football stadium!

==8°0

2) If Primates were meant to fly, we'd have wings...

Oh, wait...there IS our flying cousin—a Colubo—from Asia:

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25 posted on 12/10/2007 2:42:37 AM PST by Does so (...against all enemies, DOMESTIC and foreign...)
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To: neverdem
I think its possible if he was to incorporate some sort of landing ski or skid plate and just come in for a belly landing. Either that or use some small JATOs or rockets used in ejection seats to slow his final descent. Another thought would be there can be a memory material that pops out like Batman upon final. I still think our military has a better design and has been using it for years. Just as a thought and not necessarily whats our military is using I am posting a pic I grabbed with Google.
26 posted on 12/10/2007 2:44:35 AM PST by Eye of Unk
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To: neverdem


These guys had a few problems with the wing concept back in the '60's.
27 posted on 12/10/2007 3:03:24 AM PST by Thrownatbirth (.....Iraq Invasion fan since 1991.)
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To: neverdem

Laugh if you may, but, some of our best military fighters have learned how to use these type of flying suits to drop behind the enemy by many miles.
Drop them out of a plane and they fly to their target area sometimes many miles.


28 posted on 12/10/2007 3:17:55 AM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: neverdem

NYT story? I heartily endorse the requirement that every NYT reporter must make such a jump...


29 posted on 12/10/2007 3:19:55 AM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: Thrownatbirth

IIRC, Burt hadn’t gotten the landing quite right in that one. };^)


30 posted on 12/10/2007 3:29:16 AM PST by Roccus (Hillary........brought to you by the PRC)
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To: JoeSixPack1

Those serials were awesome( $.25 movies on Sat aft .) . We used to flick fake dials on our chests and leap off the curb to mimic that guy .


31 posted on 12/10/2007 3:54:53 AM PST by Renegade (You go tell my buddies)
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To: Nathan Zachary

Aww, c’mon. They can probably get down to 60MPH or so at touchdown. All they have to do is run it off...


32 posted on 12/10/2007 4:11:23 AM PST by Sender (You are the weapon. What you hold in your hand is just a tool.)
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To: neverdem

I sure hope Youtube carries the video of this. Ya think it will be in the face-plant category?


33 posted on 12/10/2007 4:31:15 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Before the government can give you a dollar it must first take it from another American)
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To: Dumpster Baby

Ha!!


34 posted on 12/10/2007 4:37:00 AM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: dalereed

THere is nothing like sky diving! I love it. You ought to try it just once!


35 posted on 12/10/2007 4:41:35 AM PST by Dudoight
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To: Squeako

“Besides, with “wings” this small, he’d really have to be cooking and he wouldn’t want to even think about touching the ground at that speed.”

Would a tail hook solve that problem?


36 posted on 12/10/2007 4:45:28 AM PST by shove_it (and have a nice day)
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To: neverdem

Are they gonna’ first hollow out their bones so that they can float like a bird?


37 posted on 12/10/2007 4:48:00 AM PST by bannie
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To: Dudoight

Meat bombs!


38 posted on 12/10/2007 4:50:06 AM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: neverdem

I hope they aren't buying their gear from ACME...

39 posted on 12/10/2007 4:53:58 AM PST by DemforBush
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To: Slings and Arrows

Its not the fall that will get you but the sudden stop.


40 posted on 12/10/2007 4:58:16 AM PST by bikerman (_ _ . /_ _ _ /_ . . / / . . . . / . / . _ . . / . _ _ . / / . . _ / . . . //)
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To: neverdem

That’s not flying. It is gliding with a fairly rapid rate of descent.


41 posted on 12/10/2007 5:14:01 AM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: neverdem

bookmark for later reading (bmflr)


42 posted on 12/10/2007 5:15:58 AM PST by Joya (For more info on Hucksterbee, go to http://www.arkjournal.com/)
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To: FormerACLUmember

Wonder how putting your arms out when there is no atmosphere works.


43 posted on 12/10/2007 5:18:36 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ ("Has there been a code nine? Have you heard from the Doctor?")
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To: Riley
He's a regular on Larry David's HBO comedy called, Curb Your Enthusiasm .
44 posted on 12/10/2007 5:20:47 AM PST by Portcall24
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To: DemforBush
Landing aid:


45 posted on 12/10/2007 5:23:48 AM PST by quark
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To: neverdem
The landing, as one might expect, poses the biggest challenge, and each group has a different approach.

I have to disagree. The landing is guaranteed, walking away may be problematic.

46 posted on 12/10/2007 5:27:55 AM PST by Sapper26 (Quondo Omni Flunkus Moritati)
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To: neverdem

I guess that what they used to say when I was in the Army years ago is still true. The only thing that falls from the sky is bird$#it and idiots.


47 posted on 12/10/2007 5:36:44 AM PST by Malone LaVeigh
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To: Eye of Unk

Looks to be about 25 square feet of wing. At 200 pounds total weight, thats about about 8 pounds per foot.

If he can perform the flare correctly, he’ll have a stall/landing speed of around 60-80 mph.

If he can run really fast, he’ll do OK.


48 posted on 12/10/2007 5:48:13 AM PST by SampleMan (We are a free and industrious people. Socialist nannies do not become us.)
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To: SampleMan

How about some little wheels ?


49 posted on 12/10/2007 6:21:47 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: billorites

pretty funny. I tried to get a friend to sky dive w/ me she was afraid of breaking bones. I told her she didn’t need to worry about that it was a matter of living or dying.


50 posted on 12/10/2007 6:26:32 AM PST by Dudoight
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