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Wisconsin drivers line up for 33 cent gas
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Posted on 12/10/2007 10:08:19 AM PST by John Cena

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To: mvpel

What CC provider gives a merchant all that info? You usually get an authorization number and have to backtrack off of that, thru the CC company if a cardholder disputes a transaction or wants to make a disputed return.


181 posted on 12/10/2007 1:48:16 PM PST by PennsylvaniaMom (I do not want people to be agreeable, as it saves me the trouble of liking them. Jane Austen.)
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To: najida
Explain how it was stealing (and I’m serious here).....

The SIGN at the station clearly says the price is $3.299. So if the pump is incorrectly set to $0.329, but the sign clearly says $3.299, then the person who knowingly and deliberately pumps the gas to take advantage of an opportunity to obtain gas at approximately one-tenth of its price is stealing.

Just like my example with the X-Box. If you were buying a $329.95 X-box, (having looked at the price tag to verify the price) but the cashier rang it up for $3.29 it would be stealing to walk out of the store having paid only $3.29 for something you knew was priced at 100 times the amount.

182 posted on 12/10/2007 1:48:54 PM PST by VRWCmember (Fred Thompson 2008! Taking America Back for Conservatives!)
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To: steve86
Turned in a very nice girl’s sweater

How do you know the girl who owned the sweater was very nice. She might have been a b*tch!

183 posted on 12/10/2007 1:50:29 PM PST by VRWCmember (Fred Thompson 2008! Taking America Back for Conservatives!)
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To: PennsylvaniaMom

That information is only x’d out on the receipt, to keep someone from picking the receipt out of the trash and using the full card number to make purchases online or over the phone. The merchant’s records, as well as the card processor’s, include the full card numbers and verification information.


184 posted on 12/10/2007 1:50:50 PM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: sbMKE
Better yet - ban them from future service and make them drive the extra miles to fill up from here on out.

Better yet, just hit their cards with an adjustment transaction to charge the balance of the price of their transactions.

185 posted on 12/10/2007 1:51:56 PM PST by VRWCmember (Fred Thompson 2008! Taking America Back for Conservatives!)
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To: John Cena

Maybe somebody could Photoshop a gasoline jug into this classic pic.

186 posted on 12/10/2007 1:54:16 PM PST by steve-b (Sin lies only in hurting others unnecessarily. All other "sins" are invented nonsense. --RAH)
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To: mvpel

At work right now and just checked ‘merchant copies’ ours are x’d (auth. code used for disputes). Do you swipe the cards or just use as phone orders (keying info into the CC machine)? That could be the difference as our recpts would have a signature.


187 posted on 12/10/2007 1:57:54 PM PST by PennsylvaniaMom (I do not want people to be agreeable, as it saves me the trouble of liking them. Jane Austen.)
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To: Squantos
That is criminal as it shows intent to commit fraud / theft of a product. No I wouldn’t do such and would contact the owner or authorities if I was witness to such. As to the incident discussed in this thread.....it was morally wrong for them to knowingly do such yet it was NOT ILLEGAL......:o)

According to the article:

Word of the bargain spread fast in the rural northern Wisconsin community, with 42 people buying 586 gallons of gas in an hour and 45 minutes. One person had pumped 27 gallons and two purchased 18 gallons.

Local police saw the horde at the station and called store manager Andrea Reuland, who went to the station and pushed the emergency stop.

The action of people making after-hours trips to buy gas because the word spread about the error on the pump also shows intent to commit fraud.
188 posted on 12/10/2007 1:58:06 PM PST by VRWCmember (Fred Thompson 2008! Taking America Back for Conservatives!)
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
The merchant offered a product at an advertised price. The consumer purchased it at said price.

No, some consumers discovered that due to an error they were able to "purchase" the product at one-tenth of the advertised price. However, their transaction is documented so that the seller should be able to process an adjustment to collect the unpaid balance of each purchase.

189 posted on 12/10/2007 2:08:15 PM PST by VRWCmember (Fred Thompson 2008! Taking America Back for Conservatives!)
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To: VRWCmember

Disagree.......I get a printed receipt for all my purchases....even from the gas pumps these days . Change my CC and THEY become the thief...........


190 posted on 12/10/2007 2:08:30 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: VRWCmember

I must have missed the fact that the station put up a sign that said the price was erroneous......;o)

Hey VRWC .....Acme Stop & Rob has cheap gas........are you now a criminal for purchasing it ?


191 posted on 12/10/2007 2:14:41 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Squantos
Change my CC and THEY become the thief...........

If the shoe is on the other foot, the merchant makes a mistake so that the transaction is 10 times the amount it was supposed to be (but that is what is printed on your receipt) and you subsequently discover the mistake, you are on the phone immediately to have them adjust the transaction to the correct amount. If the merchant insists that the amount on the printed receipt is the amount, your next call is to the CC company to insist that the CC company adjust the charge via some sort of dispute process. Either way, an adjustment credit to reflect the correct transaction amount is very easy. An adjustment debit would also be very easy. It might be that the merchant has to have a letter sent to each customer first, indicating that the transaction that occured at the specific time between 10PM and Midnight for the specific quantity of gas was incorrectly charged at a price of $0.329 rather than the posted price of $3.299 and that a charge in the amount of $xx.xx to make up the difference would be applied. But with notification that a correction was being processed, the transaction would be easy to accomplish and the retailer would be perfectly within his rights to do so.

192 posted on 12/10/2007 2:16:55 PM PST by VRWCmember (Fred Thompson 2008! Taking America Back for Conservatives!)
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To: VRWCmember

I’d never buy an XBOX !


193 posted on 12/10/2007 2:17:32 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: VRWCmember

OK,
I understand that....and yes, I’ve spoken up when something was rung up wrong, in both cases.

However, at the gas pump...
I honestly couldn’t tell you what my gas station is charging for gas. But that’s me.


194 posted on 12/10/2007 2:18:00 PM PST by najida (Will you dance at my birthday party?)
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To: Squantos

No, adjustments are common and legal.


195 posted on 12/10/2007 2:20:26 PM PST by MARTIAL MONK
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To: MarineBrat

I also have some guilt in a similar situation, I went to a local body shop to get a new tire and rim mounted on my car after I had a blowout. I noticed they never charged me for the tire and I kept my mouth shut. But I like to think God got me back as a couple of months later I popped that tire after running over a curb.


196 posted on 12/10/2007 2:23:48 PM PST by LukeL
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To: Squantos
I must have missed the fact that the station put up a sign that said the price was erroneous......;o)

"There were cars two deep at each of my pumps," said Reuland, who knew many of the drivers and told them they were being dishonest -- the main store sign had the correct price.
If the main store sign has the correct price, but the transaction rings up at one-tenth of the price are you one of those people who requires a sign to explain that there was an error?

Hey VRWC .....Acme Stop & Rob has cheap gas........are you now a criminal for purchasing it ?

If the price is clearly posted and I find a way to pay one-tenth of the posted amount and deliberately do so, then yes that would be a fraudulent act. And if the clerk at Best Buy tried to charge me $3.29 for the Xbox360 I was buying for my son (knowing that the price was $329.95), I would point out his mistake to him.

197 posted on 12/10/2007 2:24:57 PM PST by VRWCmember (Fred Thompson 2008! Taking America Back for Conservatives!)
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To: MARTIAL MONK

Too the consumer......not after the fact / sale from the consumer.


198 posted on 12/10/2007 2:31:15 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: MARTIAL MONK

Adjustments are instituted by the consumer...usually regarding faulty mdse., wanting to make a return on a final sale, etc. There is no way (I can think of) that a merchant gets an ‘oops’ from the CC companies and gets to add a charge on. That is why mom/pop type operations are adverse to phone orders...too much opportunity for a dishonest cust. to dispute a legitimate charge.


199 posted on 12/10/2007 2:31:18 PM PST by PennsylvaniaMom (I do not want people to be agreeable, as it saves me the trouble of liking them. Jane Austen.)
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To: BubbaBasher

If a car dealer puts an ad in the paper selling a 2008 Escalde for 580.00 instead of 58,000 is he required to sell it at the printed price? Or better yet if you go to the pump and instead of $3.29 you are charged $329.00 is that to bad for you?


200 posted on 12/10/2007 2:34:52 PM PST by LukeL
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