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Terri's Day Announced - March 31 - Groups Call for Special Remembrances of Terri Schiavo
LifeSiteNews ^ | 12/10/07 | LifeSiteNews

Posted on 12/10/2007 4:23:03 PM PST by wagglebee

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To: 8mmMauser

You know I saw that they have now cloned cats with an added feature that makes them glow in the dark. I think there might be a way to turn this into a lucrative business. Someone should start cloning deer so they glow in the dark, this would have two immediate benefits: drivers would be less likely to hit them and hunters would have a far easier time spotting them.


101 posted on 12/14/2007 5:31:28 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
Bobby Schindler and the Lynch mob...

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December 14, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Bobby Schindler, the brother of Terri Shiavo, the young woman who was dehydrated to death in Florida in 2005, has become a prominent opponent of euthanasia since that wrenching time for his family. In a recent Challenge magazine interview with Alex Schadenberg of the Euthanasia Prevention Coalition, Schindler revealed the shocking details of the support from many prominent Catholic clergy for the court ordered removal of food and hydration from Terri. Bobby is a practicing Catholic as was his sister.
 
Schindler stated that his sister "was not dying, not attached to any type of machinery and was only being sustained by food and water via a feeding tube." He noted that Catholic teaching does not allow a person "regardless of any advanced directive or even the sworn testimony of another person" to refuse food and water with the intent to cause their own death or that of another.

Still, Fr. Gerard Murphy of the Diocese of St. Petersburgh, Florida actually helped Judge Greer make the decision to dehydrate and starve Terri to death. Fr. Murphy did not consult with any members of Terri's family and did not even visit Terri. Murphy did however consult with Michael Schiavo's attorney, George Felos, an assisted suicide/euthanasia activist, and testified on behalf of Michael Schiavo.

Bishop Lynch of the Diocese of St. Petersburg refused to help the family stop the euthanasia death order and supported Father Murphy's seriously flawed position. The bishop eventually issued a confusing statement that was of no help to the situation and after that the Florida bishops supported Bishop Lynch's position...........................

Bobby Schindler Reveals Shocking Support by Catholic Clergy for Sister's Euthanasia Killing

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102 posted on 12/15/2007 4:18:47 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
Fred and Terri tar baby dailies....

Thompson, fresh from the TV screen, was supposed to be the savior. But the laid-back Tennesseean entered the race without seeming energy or interest.

He campaigned at the Iowa State Fair from the VIP tent. He went to Florida and said he really couldn't remember the sequence of events in that Terry Schiavo matter............

Look Out Mike -- Fred's Finally Awake

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103 posted on 12/15/2007 4:35:51 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; Coleus
This drama is played in a town near you, nay, throughout the world daily, one more frequent if not in the news, than we may think. Thread by Coleus...

Ga. law allowing doctors to unplug life support challenged -- Family says doctors at Emory Eastside Medical Center was prepared to end with or without their consent

Alicia Fennell had just one hour to save her husband's life. Doctors at Emory Eastside Medical Center in Snellville said he was brain dead and being kept alive by life support. She and her children doubted the diagnosis, sensing that somehow Donald Fennell was still aware. The hospital was preparing to pull the plug at 5 p.m. Dec. 4, with or without the family's consent, but a last-ditch effort to stop the hospital was about to play out at the Gwinnett Justice and Administration Center. The struggle between hospital and family occurred because the Fennells, like many people, didn't know Georgia law leaves the final decision on discontinuing life support for brain-dead patients to doctors, not family members.

The family will bury Donald Fennell on Saturday in Daytona Beach, Fla., near his home in Palm Coast. What they cannot bury is a lingering frustration with a hospital they say treated them unfairly and a law that leaves families out of the loop. The hospital declined to discuss specifics of the case because of patient confidentiality, but issued a statement saying, "we are confident, based on the assessment of numerous physicians who consulted on this patient's care, that he has received the highest quality care available."................

GA law allowing doctors to unplug life support challenged (Drs. don't need family's Consent)

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104 posted on 12/15/2007 4:42:31 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: BykrBayb; floriduh voter; SErtelt; wagglebee

Shortly before T’wit died, he and I discussed in July how June had already passed by, and that was now soooo yesterday, so jumped shark. Now it is December. I am not linking to the latest today.


105 posted on 12/15/2007 4:51:02 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; Salvation; NYer
Regarding our upthread post at #102 on Bobby and the Lynch mob, NYer has posted a thread on the topic. Thanks, Salvation, for the ping.

Bobby Schindler Reveals Shocking Support by Catholic Clergy for Sister's Euthanasia Killing

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106 posted on 12/15/2007 10:45:48 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser
FLORIDA NEWS: John Graziano, accident victim in mva with Hulk Hogan's son HAS OPENED HIS EYES per his mother. JG is at the James V. Haley Medical Center in Tampa.

GRIM FLORIDA NEWS: Five people SHOT TO DEATH YESTERDAY MORNING. 1. Two women at their apartment (on Ulmerton Road) both Hospice of the Suncoast employees. 2. Two children of one of the women at their home by their dad who 3. drove his van over the Skyway and shot himself in the face.

People knew the man said he was going to kill his family. Why didn't he get picked up? Now there are 4 more dead, including two adorable kids a boy of 2 and a girl of 4. Dad had custody. WHY? Which Family Law Judge gave an unstable adult custody of young children? MARK SHAMES? That judge is accountable and so is DCF.

107 posted on 12/15/2007 1:55:58 PM PST by floriduh voter (TERRI'S DAY MARCH 31, 2008 Remember Terri's hopes & fears, not the cowards.)
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To: wagglebee

...and with glow in the dark animals, Dick Cheney won’t have any more accidents.


108 posted on 12/15/2007 1:58:05 PM PST by floriduh voter (TERRI'S DAY MARCH 31, 2008 Remember Terri's hopes & fears, not the cowards.)
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To: 8mmMauser

There was a Father Murphy who was RUN OVER and died. Is this that Fr. Murphy? Lynch refused to pray the Rosary for the suffering, dying Terri. He was at the rectory, was approached by a Catholic and he REFUSED. He’s a heretic.


109 posted on 12/15/2007 1:59:56 PM PST by floriduh voter (TERRI'S DAY MARCH 31, 2008 Remember Terri's hopes & fears, not the cowards.)
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To: floriduh voter

I bet there are a few other kinds of glow-in-the-dark critters coming from North Korea, probably a few people, too.


110 posted on 12/16/2007 7:17:21 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
It is a lengthy read but worth perusing...

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....................The Hugh Finn case in Virginia in 1998 and the Terri Schindler Schiavo case in Florida in 2005 showed how successful the mercy killers are at manipulating language to bring about the elimination of those they consider useless eaters. Neither Hugh nor Terri was dying or in a coma. Both were severely brain-damaged but awake and at least minimally aware. Both laughed at their dads' jokes and could track objects with their eyes. But Hugh's wife, Michelle, and Terri's husband, Michael, wanted them dead. Both spouses refused the ones they swore to love "in sickness and in health" the most basic therapy to improve their conditions.

A new weapon in the death camp's arsenal emerged during Schiavo's ordeal: hospice. The movement founded to offer compassionate care to the terminally ill was perverted to aid and abet Terri's active murder. Although hospice admission requires a patient to be terminal with life expectancy of only six months, Michael transferred the living, not dying, Terri to Hospice of the Florida Sun Coast. The move was illegal. Once there, hospice cooperated with an immoral court order to deny Terri food and water. Terri became terminal when her caregivers starved and dehydrated her. Given similar treatment even an Olympic athlete is terminal.


Terri's case gave a big push to living wills. These documents supposedly guarantee control over treatment if one becomes incompetent; however, they often become death warrants. Many include sections refusing medical care to prolong life -- from resuscitation to artificial feeding. A person who goes into cardiac arrest during surgery, for example, might survive and thrive with aggressive treatment, but doctors refuse it because provisions in the living will deny "extraordinary" care. Increasingly, extraordinary care means any care at all: food and water, antibiotics for infection, even an aspirin for a headache. If the individual with a living will suffers a life-threatening complication, the likelihood of non-treatment and death by neglect (and morphine drip) is a real threat.

And where do these documents originate? The first living will appeared in 1967 developed by the Euthanasia Society of America. Today many organizations promoting "living wills" are actively seeking legalization of assisted suicide and active euthanasia. They include Choice in Dying, Death with Dignity Education Center, Compassion in Dying and End-of-Life Choices (Hemlock Society). The last two combined in 2005 as Compassion and Choices. It is hard to keep track of all these organizations because they change names, putting on the mask of compassion to cover up the death's head underneath. ..............................

Body Snatchers on Parade: Abortion and Euthanasia

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111 posted on 12/16/2007 7:22:34 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
This is The Moderate Voice about Huckabee. Not sure what it infers... Does it infer Ronald Reagan would swallow the media mantra and demand Terri be killed???

However, acknowledging the importance of faith and kow-towing to religious interests to the exclusion of viewing the American polity to an entity in which it serves everyone if the point is to aggregate interests — as opposed to aggravate opposing interests — is different from the trend within the GOP in recent years. The Terri Schiavo fiasco would never have occurred under Ronald Reagan’s GOP …or even the first George Bush’s GOP.

Huckabee Seeks Victories To Show He’s A Broader-Appeal Republican Presidential Candidate

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112 posted on 12/16/2007 7:30:14 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
On Target... Thread by wagglebee who also takes on a zotworthy troll.

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) - Target Corp. is defending its policy on filling prescriptions for emergency contraception after the Planned Parenthood Federation of America accused the retailer of disrespecting customers' reproductive rights.

Target allows pharmacists to choose not to fill requests for emergency contraception, also known as Plan B, if it is against their religious beliefs.

Target stands by contraceptive policy (Won't back down to Planned Parenthood!)

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113 posted on 12/16/2007 7:40:40 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; floriduh voter; BykrBayb; EternalVigilance; MountainFlower
Thanks, FV, for bringing this to our attention. Helen Valois, long an ally, has written about the White Rose, our symbol. Eternal thanks to BykrBayb...

On February 22, 1943, Hans Scholl, his sister Sophie, and their friend and associate Christoph Probst were executed by the Nazis. Their "crime" was the distribution of leaflets calling for a just and free government. This little group of students, mainly, was called the White Rose; they only managed to produce six handouts before being detected and fatally dealt with by Roland Freisler, one of the most agenda-driven of National Socialism's notorious judges. The Scholls and their confreres were, in effect, the principles bloggers of their day, expressing suppressed truth in the only format they could get any kind of access to.............................

Echoes of the White Rose

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"We will not be silent. We are your bad conscience. The White Rose will give you no rest."

114 posted on 12/16/2007 8:04:34 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

I was out last night, but it looks like the troll got zotted. Oh well...


115 posted on 12/16/2007 9:36:46 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
As my head spins...

I guess I am supposed to believe global warming is hard fact, embryonic stem cell research is sound science although it has produced zero results, and the assessment of Terri's plight was effected on solid scientific grounds. Karl Marks would be so tickled. As I reread it, I begin to think that to libs, science is a religion in itself, a faith that can consider black to be white, good to be bad, hate to be love.

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Whether the issue is global warming, embryonic stem-cell research, ballistic missile defense or the future of the world's oceans, the same bass line thumps in the background: Sound political decision-making relies, more than ever, on accurate scientific information.

As advances in science and technology continually transform our world, policy-making will inevitably depend more and more on accurate scientific and technical information. Which means that to be a successful world leader today, a politician must have an effective means of accessing and applying the latest science.

~Snip~


Our next president needn't be a memorizer of facts, but he or she most definitely should understand how to critically analyze data and should embrace a broad empiricism in national and world affairs.

We've seen science form the basis of some of the thorniest public policy issues in recent history, from Terri Schiavo to teaching evolution in schools to the fate of the Earth. A presidential debate on science would help voters determine who among the candidates is up to dealing with whatever comes next.

Next U.S. President should be science-friendly

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116 posted on 12/17/2007 2:20:29 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
Wagglebee has a thread on a powerful story of a woman with huge courage, to persevere no matter what. It is also a good example of why some of us couples are armed and carry in these days of a new lawlessness.

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Dawn Weiss counts off, each numeral propelling her closer to launch. She rocks her torso, places her hands, aims for the target – a bed or a chair or a seat in a car.

“I never realized how heavy my legs are until I tried to pick them up,” she said.

Her husband, Mike, is there every time she begins that count, waiting on one knee in front of her, a man in perpetual proposal. He grabs her hips, bracing her weight against his own, helping her make the transition. “I get scared when he’s not with me, if he’s not next to me,” Dawn said.

In May, robbers shot Dawn five times on Redmon Road in Norfolk. The bullets fractured two vertebrae and burned her spinal cord, paralyzing her from the chest down. Other bullets shattered the bones in her arms, leaving her with limited motion.

Bullets ripped apart their lives, recovery brought them closer (Woman paralyzed in home invasion)

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117 posted on 12/17/2007 2:34:13 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
Always something smelled fishy about Roe. It attracts flies and trolls...

Thread by wagglebee.

Due to circumstances beyond our control, the term, "September 11th", almost instantly became a household phrase. It represents a day of great tragedy and outrage wherein over 3,000 people were murdered at the hands of Islamic extremists who chose to callously sacrifice innocent human life to further a narrow and selfish political agenda.

But another date, January 22nd, which is not so well known, signifies an equally outrageous and solemn occasion. January 22, 2008, marks the 35th anniversary of what is, unquestionably, one of the U.S. Supreme Court's most highly controversial and divisive rulings in its two-hundred-plus year history - Roe v. Wade.

Grim Reaping - Do You Really Know Roe?

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118 posted on 12/17/2007 2:42:35 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
In another thread by wagglebee, euthanasia again...

Christopher Buckley's dark satire Boomsday imagines a Social Security crisis that pits the generations against each other, and a public relations campaign to persuade older Americans to do the "right" thing and check out early. There are even financial incentives and free Botox if you schedule your suicide.

But what if, in such a world, it were the women - the always dutiful women - who felt the pull of responsibility most strongly and signed up first?.............

Women's sacrifices, taken to the extreme (Euthanasia)

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119 posted on 12/17/2007 2:48:41 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; NYer; wagglebee
NYer posts a strong argument from HLI's Fr. Euteneuer in a thread pinged to us by wagglebee.

In his latest issue, Father Euteneuer explains why it's logical to estimate that in the years since Roe v. Wade, legal abortion has cost the United States:

missing persons report (Fr. Tom Euteneuer on the legacy of abortion)

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120 posted on 12/17/2007 3:08:53 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser
Joe Lieberman was FOR TERRI. John McCain is consistently opposed to what were Terri's rights. I have misplaced Lieberman's phone number since the 2000 election when I faxed him daily until Gore gave up.

Joe should talk to McCain about Terri but I still have a major problem with McCain re: illegal immigration. McCain is soft on terrorists and on illegal aliens. That's bad.

121 posted on 12/17/2007 2:32:55 PM PST by floriduh voter (TERRI'S DAY MARCH 31, 2008 Remember Terri's hopes & fears, not the cowards.)
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To: 8mmMauser

Huckabee’s son hung a dog from a tree. This is disturbing. I just don’t trust Huckabee.


122 posted on 12/17/2007 2:34:24 PM PST by floriduh voter (TERRI'S DAY MARCH 31, 2008 Remember Terri's hopes & fears, not the cowards.)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
Fred and Terri tar baby dailies...

No way will the LA Times let this go! I can only do a short excerpt, but the whole article is pithy, or some word like that.

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As often seems to happen in the public chaos of major political campaigns, it turns out there's much more to that apparent Fred Thompson memory loss story from a couple of weeks ago.

You may remember that the closely watched newest Republican candidate was asked about that highly controversial Terri Schiavo right-to-die case in which the husband of a Florida woman in a persistent vegetative state wanted to remove her chemical feeding tube, but her parents went to court and then politicians from Gov. Jeb Bush and Congress got into the struggle two years ago...................

Turns out, Thompson knew about Schiavo only too well

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123 posted on 12/18/2007 3:23:53 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
Fred and Terri tar baby dailies 2...

Twice in one day from LA Times!

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Fred Thompson didn't exactly assuage questions about his attention to detail when he seemed out of the loop late last month when his top communications director was let go.

Then, during a trip this month to all-important Florida, he appeared at sea when asked to comment on the Terri Schiavo end-of-life case that had so consumed first the state and then the nation. "That's going back in history," he said. "I don't remember the details of it."

Question on Tennessee trips up Fred Thompson

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124 posted on 12/18/2007 3:28:19 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
The Online Journal which touts itself to be uncensored and accurate in the liberal lexicon scribbles this piece on Huckabee and religion. The author would hate, I am sure, religion if he even knew what it was or understood it. That is still a long time off. Maybe one day the lights will turn on...

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Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee caused quite a hullabaloo with his statements about AIDS, homosexuals and morality. His candidacy is wonderfully illuminating as to why we shouldn’t elect anyone who is openly religious. It also sheds light on the bigger picture as to how Christian fanatics are actually control freaks and how their power grab is destroying democracy.

It’s clear that Christian religious fanatics want their way in regards to religion and public life. They are determined to impose their views on all Americans. They constantly cry that they are the victims of discrimination when in fact they are the relentless discriminators.

Fundamentalist Christians, including Huckabee, want American tax dollars used to fund private religious schools. Is there any similar request coming from Jews, Muslims or Wiccans?

They want laws passed to keep gays from marrying. Are gays trying to pass any laws that infringe on a Christian’s personal life or rights?

They want abortion made illegal and don’t believe that it’s a private matter to be discussed by a pregnant woman and her doctor.

They want to be a part of people’s life and death decisions in matters like the Terri Schiavo case.

They are opposed to stem-cell research while thousands continue to suffer and die from Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s and other diseases. Of course, their views are subject to change if they have to live with one of these diseases. Ask Nancy Reagan.

They want department store employees to say “Merry Christmas” to everyone. No big deal but is my Christmas tree going to shine brighter because the clerk at Mervyn’s said “Merry Christmas” instead of “Happy Holidays”?

They want to see their religious symbols in our courthouses and on our public squares. They cry about the lack of these symbols and act as if the ACLU is depriving them from observing Christmas when, in fact, they have every right to sing Silent Night in their homes and on their rooftops.

They are constantly boycotting someone for making a movie, publishing a book or presenting a program that offends their religious sensibility.

They want our public schools to add prayer to the curriculum along with the Bible taught as science. Yes, Christianity is the majority religion in the United States but not in the world. And since the subject is “how the world was created,” wouldn’t it make as much sense to teach kids what the majority of the world’s religious inhabitants believe?

Let’s presume that fundamentalist Christians actually read the Bible. Why then do they unvaryingly ignore this quote attributed to Jesus Christ in Chapter 6 of the Book of Matthew: “When you pray, go away by yourself, all alone, and shut the door behind you and pray secretly.” Perhaps they’ve found contradictory quotes that make it so important to get very public prayer into public schools. But if there are contradictory quotes would that not point to the distinct possibility that flawed humans have handed down a flawed book that is not necessarily the “literal” word of God? I know -- that’s another subject.

Huckabee needs to be the poster child for why political judgment should not be clouded by religious beliefs. As governor of Arkansas, Huckabee at the urging of his minister released a rapist named Wayne DuMond from prison on the grounds that the rapist was sentenced too harshly and had subsequently accepted Jesus and was, therefore, reformed of his criminal tendencies. DuMond’s release stemmed from Huckabee’s personal belief that Jesus can heal anyone. Within 11 months of his release, Dumond molested and killed a mother of three in Missouri.

Huckabee should be the poster child for keeping religion out of politics

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125 posted on 12/18/2007 3:36:57 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
It comes from the JBSers, a much maligned group whom I found through association made much good sense over the decades.

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In 1995, while battling a house fire, Don Herbert was trapped under a pile of debris when the roof collapsed. In a coma by the time he reached the hospital, he regained consciousness but slipped back into a coma-like state a few months later. He spent the next ten years in a nursing home, receiving nourishment through a feeding tube and apparently in a vegetative state. Blinded in the accident, he couldn't see, but his wife and four sons included him in all family events and celebrations just the same....................





Brain Injured “Minimally Conscious” are Awakening

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126 posted on 12/18/2007 3:53:46 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; floriduh voter; amdgmary
How about this guy?

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It didn’t take long for Ron Klein to get noticed.

Like an underdog quarterback, the Florida Democrat pulled off a big win last year over Republican Rep. Clay Shaw, a steady, 26-year House incumbent — leaving many voters and observers drained, as if they had just left a close, gut-wrenching football game.

“The district was clearly ready for a change,” said Klein, whose constituents range from millionaires in Palm Beach and retirees in Boca Raton to factory workers in Fort Lauderdale. “They were tired of Terri Schiavo, of gay marriage. They were concerned about jobs, health care, energy, Iraq.”

Old-fashioned hard work helps freshman get ahead

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127 posted on 12/18/2007 3:59:21 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
Ah, Canada, when may it turn over a new maple leaf on this? Thread by wagglebee...

TORONTO, December 17, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - With the Morgentaler acquittal on Jan. 28, 1988, the Supreme Court of Canada eliminated Section 251 of the Criminal Code, because it was not equally applied across the country, thus removing all protection for unborn babies. The court also stated that it was within the purview of Parliament to enact new abortion legislation, if it so desired, providing that it met the criteria of the court.

Today, in Canada, any pregnant woman could legally have her unborn child aborted for any reason or for no particular reason, at any time during the pregnancy, right up to delivery.............

Abortion a legal, moral battlefield

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128 posted on 12/18/2007 4:05:13 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Can you post the poem you wrote as Terri was dying?
129 posted on 12/18/2007 4:07:56 AM PST by don-o (Do the RIGHT thing. Become a monthly donor. End Freepathons forever)
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To: All; wagglebee
Mitt Romney takes a firm stand on pro-life issues, at least mostly or at least a lot, or at least some. Thread by wagglebee.

Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- Mitt Romney participated in a weekend interview with Tim Russert of the NBC program "Meet the Press" and he restated, has he has countless times before, why he changed his position on abortion. Romney also reiterated his position allowing researchers to destroy human embryos from fertility clinics for scientific studies.

Mitt Romney Restates Abortion Change, Allowing Some Embryonic Research

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130 posted on 12/18/2007 4:11:57 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
Pro life pro file...

Thread by wagglebee...

Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- A new poll on the topic of abortion finds that the attitude Americans have on the controversial political issue is moving in the pro-life direction. The Washington Post /ABC news survey find a six percent shift in public opinion towards the pro-life direction in the last six months..................

Abortion Poll Finds Americans' Attitudes Moving in Pro-Life Direction

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131 posted on 12/18/2007 4:17:18 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

Rudy stands out as the one strong dissenter on this topic.


132 posted on 12/18/2007 6:56:30 AM PST by Dante3
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To: floriduh voter
Lana Jacobs of the Catholic Workr was also arrested trying to take water to Terri. There's a pictue of her HERE.
133 posted on 12/18/2007 7:34:03 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Blessed be God in His angels and in His saints.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Some people who were arrested were just on the sidewalk and they got scooped up in the moment. Either way, part of America died with Terri.


134 posted on 12/18/2007 11:24:31 AM PST by floriduh voter (TERRI'S DAY MARCH 31, 2008 Remember Terri's hopes & fears, not the cowards.)
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To: floriduh voter
"Either way, part of America died with Terri."

I absolutely agree. And I think Lana Jacobs knew she would be arresed. She just wanted to make it so visually and obviously clear: if you try to give a drink of water to an innocent Florida woman dying of thirst, you will be stopped by the police.

135 posted on 12/18/2007 11:41:07 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Lord have mercy.)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
I don't hear the thud. Maybe it is because I don't see how I fit into a box labeled social con or such. I tend to think the thought of saving a life of an innocent was an ordinary emotion or ordinary decent people, and not limited to a radical and clearly defined faction. Anyway, this is how it reads in Pajamas Media...

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That thud you just heard is the sound of the conservative coalition that elected Republican majorities to Congress cracking up and hitting the floor.

The higher the poll numbers for former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee rise, the lower the spirits of some conservatives who see the advent of the socially conservative Baptist minister as a disaster in the making for the party.

~Snip~

This then is the battleground and conservatives are starting to choose up sides. Christians are getting mad at libertarian conservatives who can’t stomach Huckabee’s sly appeals to religiosity – an anathema anyway to those who think that the receive too much prominence in Republican politics as it is. These same Christians see what many refer to as the Goldwater “Leave me the hell alone” wing of the party as being terribly condescending toward evangelicals, manipulating their vote every two years in order to rack up majority after majority in Congress while electing twice.

The schism first became noticeable during the imbroglio over Terri Schiavo, the severely brain damaged Florida woman whose husband went to court in order to get permission to remove her feeding tube. Schiavo’s parents objected, pleading to keep their daughter alive.

Social conservatives threw themselves into the defense of Schiavo’s right to life with a passion. They were opposed with equal passion by the libertarians who believed the case to be a private, family matter. Before the dust settled, the two sides – libertarians and social cons – were staring across a great divide that only now is revealing itself to be unbridgeable. And the rise of Huckabee has, if anything, only widened the gap.

The Huckaboom Means a Conservabust

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136 posted on 12/19/2007 3:29:19 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
I don't hear the thud. Maybe it is because I don't see how I fit into a box labeled social con or such. I tend to think the thought of saving a life of an innocent was an ordinary emotion or ordinary decent people, and not limited to a radical and clearly defined faction. Anyway, this is how it reads in Pajamas Media...

...............................

That thud you just heard is the sound of the conservative coalition that elected Republican majorities to Congress cracking up and hitting the floor.

The higher the poll numbers for former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee rise, the lower the spirits of some conservatives who see the advent of the socially conservative Baptist minister as a disaster in the making for the party.

~Snip~

This then is the battleground and conservatives are starting to choose up sides. Christians are getting mad at libertarian conservatives who can’t stomach Huckabee’s sly appeals to religiosity – an anathema anyway to those who think that the receive too much prominence in Republican politics as it is. These same Christians see what many refer to as the Goldwater “Leave me the hell alone” wing of the party as being terribly condescending toward evangelicals, manipulating their vote every two years in order to rack up majority after majority in Congress while electing twice.

The schism first became noticeable during the imbroglio over Terri Schiavo, the severely brain damaged Florida woman whose husband went to court in order to get permission to remove her feeding tube. Schiavo’s parents objected, pleading to keep their daughter alive.

Social conservatives threw themselves into the defense of Schiavo’s right to life with a passion. They were opposed with equal passion by the libertarians who believed the case to be a private, family matter. Before the dust settled, the two sides – libertarians and social cons – were staring across a great divide that only now is revealing itself to be unbridgeable. And the rise of Huckabee has, if anything, only widened the gap.

The Huckaboom Means a Conservabust

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137 posted on 12/19/2007 3:30:10 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

Christmas special on posts, two for the price of one...


138 posted on 12/19/2007 3:31:38 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
Wagglebee has a thread on the case of Alveda King who puts the lie to the leftists who hijack decency for their own ends...

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San Francisco, CA (LifeNews.com) -- The niece of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. will lead an estimated 20,000 people along San Francisco’s waterfront in the fourth annual West Coast Walk for Life. The event is a western equivalent to the national March for Life in Washington and it gives participants a chance to show how abortion hurts women.

King's father was slain civil rights activist A.D. King, and their home in Birmingham, Alabama, was bombed during the civil rights struggles.

This year's event takes place on Saturday, January 19 and Clenard Childress, another African-American pro-life leader and Gianna Jessen, who survived a failed saline solution abortion, will speak as well.

“If the dream of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. is to live, our babies must live. Our mothers must choose life,” Alveda King said in a statement provided to LifeNews.com. “The greatest injustice we face is the denial of the right to life. Without life, no other rights exist.”

Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.’s Niece Will Headline West Coast Pro-Life Walk

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139 posted on 12/19/2007 3:42:49 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

Do you think the new movie Juno is a pro-life movie too? I read a little on it and it seems to be.


140 posted on 12/19/2007 3:44:00 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator

Sounds like it might be, from reviews. Maybe someone who sees it will report on its message whether strong and convincing, or feel-good. I will keep watch for it, am not likely to actually see it myself, though, at least soon.

It is a happy thought that films like Bella are enjoying the success eluding the dark subjects Hollywood lefties would push.


141 posted on 12/19/2007 3:56:25 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: paulsy; The Spirit Of Allegiance; Red Badger; Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; ...
Something is going down down under!

See this thread by paulsy...

Thanks, wagglebee, for the ping.

"Paulo Melo, 29, has been in a coma at the Royal Darwin Hospital for two weeks, after severing his spinal cord in a car crash." - read more below: doctor requested, family objected, court granted.......................

BREAKING - Australia Supreme Court just ordered removal of life support against family pleas

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"We will not be silent. We are your bad conscience. The White Rose will give you no rest."

142 posted on 12/19/2007 5:54:03 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; BykrBayb

Update to above, looks like they got ‘em before anyone could act. Thanks, BB, for the updates. Paulo Melo, R.I.P.

Crummy doctors, hmphhh. Call ‘em Melo yellow.


143 posted on 12/20/2007 2:30:54 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
Haleigh Poutre update.

The Republican leads as usual on the latest. Now the details surrounding the nanny DSS who own Haleigh Poutre as if she were a desk, are kept jealously from the prying eyes of the public even longer. How bizarre can it get? Once failing to kill the poor kid, they shield her condition from all, even concerned family members as if she were a Top Secret National Security project.

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SPRINGFIELD - Some documents in the Hampden Superior Court child-abuse case against Jason D. Strickland will become public, but records from a Juvenile Court case involving victim Haleigh Poutre remain sealed.

In a ruling yesterday, Judge James J. Collins delayed release of the documents until Monday to allow for appeals.

His decision was the latest event in a high-profile case alleging assault and battery on a child with serious injury to Haleigh, Strickland's 13-year-old stepdaughter...................

Court records to be released

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144 posted on 12/20/2007 2:48:04 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
Haleigh Poutre, more...

Governor Deval Patrick today will create the state's first Office of the Child Advocate, a watchdog with power to investigate allegations of child abuse and neglect and to monitor state agencies that provide services to children, state officials said yesterday.

~Snip~

"Finally," said MaryLou Sudders, president of the Massachusetts Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children. "You need someone who can ask tough questions and has the backing of the governor. The office of child advocate is in response to a series of tragedies and legislative oversight hearings. There's no question about it."

The state agency that handles foster care, the Department of Social Services, has come under fire for several high-profile tragedies in recent years. In 2005, 4-year-old Dontel Jeffers died at the hands of his foster mother. Haleigh Poutre was left comatose in 2005 after a beating by her adoptive mother, who was under DSS supervision. And 4-year-old Rebecca Riley of Hull died after being given an overdose of psychotropic medications in 2006 by her parents, who had been monitored by DSS.

Patrick to create a child advocate

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145 posted on 12/20/2007 2:54:46 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee; Lesforlife
Developments in Colorado...

Thread by wagglebee.

Kristi Burton, age 20, is heading a group called "Colorado for Equal Rights" (http://www.coloradoforequalrights.com), which is grabbing the attention of the major media nationwide. The organization is seeking the 76,000 signatures necessary under Colorado law to subject a resolution to a statewide plebiscite. The resolution simply reads: "Be it Enacted by the People of the State of Colorado: SECTION 1. Article II of the constitution of the state of Colorado is amended BY THE ADDITION OF A NEW SECTION to read: Section 31. Person defined. As used in sections 3, 6, and 25 of Article II of the state constitution, the terms 'person' or 'persons' shall include any human being from the moment of fertilization."

In recent months, personhood bills for the unborn have failed to pass state legislatures in Montana, Virginia, South Carolina and North Dakota, but Burton's strategy is different. She's bypassing the legislature altogether, and going directly to the people.

New Colorado Initiative Seeks to Define Embryos as Human Persons under the Law

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146 posted on 12/20/2007 3:00:23 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

“Once failing to kill the poor kid, they shield her condition from all, ..”

I wonder why they do that.


147 posted on 12/20/2007 8:25:31 AM PST by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-God/life/borders, understands Red China threat, NRA A+rating! www.gohunter08.com)
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To: 8mmMauser

This is bizarre and this is cruel.


148 posted on 12/20/2007 10:02:51 AM PST by Dante3
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
From National Review Online. Sighhh, I long for the National Review of old, the one T'wit helped shape. They also need an editor like T'wit to tell them how to spell Terri.

What bothers me is all the hyphens. I am just a plain old American, not a Norwegian-American, native-American, angry white male (Well, maybe a little...). I am a conservative, not a social-conservative, fiscal conservative, economic-conservatives, soc-con, neo-con, or ex-con. Okay, so it is me using the hyphens, not them. Not that I am in agreement with this, but here it is...

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...................Everybody’s a victim: Apparently some social conservatives believe that they’ve gotten a raw deal from the Republican Party in recent years. This is baffling to me, as the list of efforts by the GOP on behalf of social conservatives in just the Bush years includes the Terry Schiavo intervention, Alito, Scalia, faith-based initiatives, the partial-birth abortion ban, reinstating the Mexico City Policy, introduction of a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage, along with various state initiatives… What has the GOP not achieved on behalf of these voters that they legitimately could have, given the political reality of the Senate Democrats’ filibuster?

And yet we hear, ‘the party takes us social conservatives for granted, the elites expect us to keep our heads down and vote for whoever they tell us,’ etc. Or a variation:

“Nobody at the elite level seems to expect the economic conservatives to suck it up for the sake of party unity. What does that say about the place of social conservatives in the party all these years?”

Really? We're supposed to interpret this as a sign that they’ve been taken for granted? The fiscal conservatives feel like they’ve been betrayed as government has grown larger during Bush’s administration and the explosion of pork. The hawks feel like the Bush administration turned into David Gergen in the second term – safe, consensus-driven, conciliatory, multilateral, slow-moving, boring. Can the social conservatives really make the case that they’ve gotten the short end of the stick?.........................

Is This The Long-Predicted Crackup?

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149 posted on 12/21/2007 4:57:07 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
Haleigh Poutre update...as we keep watch.

The words terrify me, "I'm from the government and I'm here to help" So long as little Haleigh is under the control of those who tried to kill her in the name of the government, it behooves us all to keep watch.

Latest on the case against her stepfather, from The Republican...

SPRINGFIELD - Judge James G. Collins yesterday suddenly withdrew from handling the child abuse case against Jason D. Strickland, who is charged with causing serious harm to his stepdaughter, Haleigh Poutre.

Collins is the Juvenile Court judge hearing the care and protection case regarding Haleigh, in which he will continue to preside.............

Judge recuses self from case

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150 posted on 12/21/2007 5:16:46 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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