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To: VaFarmer
Personally considered it to be a decent piece. Still of the opinion that the smartest choice would not do such research in the first place. There's no [good] point to it.

If they finally unlock the mysteries of the genome and epigenome and then discovery a way to cheaply and precisely manipulate and alter them, then the entire population (without taking into account race) can be tested for intelligence (IQ isn't exactly intelligence, though it's obviously often used as such), and those with a low intelligence due to genes or epigenes(?) can get their intelligence fixed.

This fixation of 'race' and intelligence is pointless (in terms of good points). As another freeper pointed out, some Africans are very fast (others have high endurance). Why aren't there many studies testing which is the faster or slower 'race'? Why aren't articles about these studies posted in droves on FR? (both quite rhetorical).

Can you honestly argue that there isn't the slightest degree of a wish to gloat or be smug on the part of people (almost invariably of European descent) who obsess over these race-and-intelligence studies and that they should be done and, in some cases*, who conduct such useless research?

As for FR, there are so many whites-are-smarter-than-blacks postings, often in the guise of rational 'science.' If you (to some particular freepers, not necessarily VaFarmer) want to be scientific, why not harp on and on about how those same studies showed Asians as having a higher IQ than 'whites?' Because that isn't the point of your postings, is it? (rhetorical). /rant

*some, such as the one by Moore in the article were probably to disprove the earlier studies rather than a wish to prove 'whites' are smarter than 'blacks' (often phrased as 'blacks' being less intelligent than 'whites'--why they even try to go for the appearance of humility/humbleness.....).

29 posted on 12/11/2007 5:58:22 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
As another freeper pointed out, some Africans are very fast (others have high endurance). Why aren't there many studies testing which is the faster or slower 'race'? Why aren't articles about these studies posted in droves on FR? (both quite rhetorical).

Because no one disputes that some races outperform other races in certain athletic endeavors. Whites don't go around complaining and howling "racism" every time blacks win more medals in track & field than we do. We don't assert that the event must be biased or that the measuring system used is flawed. We don't insist that millions of dollars be spent to rectify the inequity. If someone told me that West Africans are better on average at many sports than whites, and that it's genetic, I'd agree. I wouldn't start trying to postulate environmental factors.

Can you honestly argue that there isn't the slightest degree of a wish to gloat or be smug on the part of people (almost invariably of European descent) who obsess over these race-and-intelligence studies and that they should be done and, in some cases*, who conduct such useless research?

There's no gloating at all. First of all, whites aren't permitted to gloat about anything, or even to take credit for anything. We're guilty of owning slaves, but are never credited with freeing them, for example. Even the Founding of America is now credited as being a multicultural event (which it wasn't). But more significantly, the reason this is important is that we're constantly being told that we should submit to affirmative action programs and other racial set-asides. These programs are based on the assumption that the reason whites do better on college and job application exams is because of cultural or environmental bias. That our brains are all the same, so if whites do better it can only be because of some unfairness which needs to be alleviated by a quota system. Sorry, but some of us balk at that. It may very well be that whites get into medical school at a greater rate than blacks because we simply do better at those things. If that's the case, why should we (or our children) have to give way to someone who did not do as well?

As for FR, there are so many whites-are-smarter-than-blacks postings, often in the guise of rational 'science.' If you (to some particular freepers, not necessarily VaFarmer) want to be scientific, why not harp on and on about how those same studies showed Asians as having a higher IQ than 'whites?' Because that isn't the point of your postings, is it? (rhetorical).

Because there's no disputing that Asians score higher on IQ tests. I've never once heard a white person express outrage that Asians outperform us on these tests, or demand "race norming" or scramble to find some environmental factor to account for the gap. Have you ever heard of a white person complaining because there are so many Asians in the California college system, above their numbers in the general population? Of course not.

32 posted on 12/11/2007 6:23:41 AM PST by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

I’d agree that there is no good point to it if it weren’t that Watson was being hassled for his statement.

He isn’t being hassled because there is no good point here. He is being hassled because there are multitude of experts who can further their narrative by attacking anybody who doesn’t endorse a “no race differences” position.

We can’t bend our descriptive statistics to our narrative and still look in the mirror and see a rational person.


36 posted on 12/11/2007 11:24:59 PM PST by VaFarmer
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