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New ban on .22 ammunition - Anti-lead rules designed to protect condors
Ventura County Star ^ | December 8, 2007 | Timm Herdt

Posted on 12/10/2007 10:51:23 PM PST by neverdem


AP file photo New rules on .22-caliber ammunition will apply only to areas where the endangered California condor roams, including the Big Sur area, above.

SACRAMENTO — California hunting regulators Friday broadened a prohibition on lead bullets scheduled to take effect July 1, adding .22-caliber ammunition to the ban.

The new rules will apply only in those areas where the endangered California condor roams — generally, the coastal mountains from Monterey south to Ventura County and in the southern Sierra.

The action by the Fish and Game Commission follows enactment of a landmark law signed by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger this fall that bans the use of lead ammunition by deer hunters in the affected areas.

Lead poisoning is the leading cause of sickness and death among condors in the wild, and condor researchers say bullet fragments in the carcasses of fallen animals are the principal source of the poisoning.

Conservationists praised the regulations, adopted on a 3-1 vote.

"This is another victory for the California condor," said Graham Chisolm of Audubon California. "The commission took the right steps to ensure that the new law is implemented in a way that makes the most sense for both the condor and hunters."

"These regulations go above and beyond the scope of the law," said Pamela Flick, state program director for Defenders of Wildlife.

She noted that the law would have provided an exemption for .22-caliber ammunition, which is typically used to shoot non-game animals such as ground squirrels and black crows. Alternatives to lead ammunition for .22-caliber rifles is not yet commercially available.

Adrianna Shea, the commission's deputy executive director, said commissioners hope their action will spur manufacturers to produce nonlead alternatives. Copper bullets are already available for larger caliber rifles that are typically used for deer hunting.

She noted the dissenting vote of Commissioner Jim Kellogg was based solely on his objection to including .22-caliber ammunition in the ban.

Shea said the commission's action was independent from the law, and Friday's vote simply completed a regulatory process the commission initiated months ago.

The regulations also go one step beyond the law by banning not just the use but also the possession of lead ammunition in the affected areas. That distinction, she noted, will make it easier for wardens to enforce the ban.

Schwarzenegger in October signed AB 821 by Assemblyman Pedro Nava, D-Santa Barbara, over the objections of firearms manufacturers and gun-owner groups, including the National Rifle Association.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: 22ammunition; 2ndamendment; antileadrules; armedcitizen; banglist; condors; environment; rkba; science
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To: Caipirabob

Yeah, I’ve got about 100,000 rounds of .22LR I’ve bought a little at a time over the last few years. Thought something like this might be in the works. I handload everything else I shoot.


21 posted on 12/11/2007 3:29:20 AM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: WildcatClan
" Make no mistake, a .22 rifle doesn’t have stopping power but it can kill you just as dead as a .44 or anything else."

.22's are cheap, small, and in close quarters ... the assasins favorite.

Hell, a piece of copper tube, and and elastic band make a kill machine.

22 posted on 12/11/2007 3:33:18 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: Joe Boucher
Stock up

Did it during the reign of Clinton the First. I call it the "Clinton Arsenal".

23 posted on 12/11/2007 3:34:44 AM PST by Hardastarboard (DemocraticUnderground.com is an internet hate site.)
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To: WildcatClan
When you fire, I think 1/5 of the lead from the round is discharged into the atmosphere

I see you're parotting the anti-gunner lead bs. Please explain where you found this. I'm really curious. And if you're talking about the primer, the charge in the primer is typically less than one grain of lead styphnate or lead azide, none of which forms any gaseous lead compounds on ignition.

24 posted on 12/11/2007 3:48:19 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government, Benito Guilinni a short man in search of a balcony)
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To: LukeL

“unless you get off some lucky shots,”

Umm...I think you’d better check with the Mossad.


25 posted on 12/11/2007 4:15:43 AM PST by Fireone (We need the 2nd Amendment to ensure the others. Fred Thompson/Hunter in 2008)
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To: WildcatClan
Oh! ... OK!... hmmph!... Snort!... Cackle!... ROFLMAO!

Err... sorry 'bout that... Thanks for that...uh...Information!

;)

26 posted on 12/11/2007 4:48:12 AM PST by JDoutrider
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To: neverdem; Joe Brower; Myrddin
Slicing and dicing the 2nd Amd and our RKBA through legal tactics.

"We're going to hammer guns on the anvil of relentless legislative strategy! We're going to beat guns into submission!"

~Senator Charles Schumer, 1993


27 posted on 12/11/2007 5:26:57 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee

28 posted on 12/11/2007 5:33:29 AM PST by CodeToad
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ...
Nibbled to death by duck bites...

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

29 posted on 12/11/2007 5:34:51 AM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Joe Brower
It's not like anybody foresaw something like this coming...
Can't take your guns, we'll control the Ammo (my title)
"How long will it be until all ammunition is "green", and other manufacturers are forced to comply to "green" regulations? The next step in gradual implementation would be to shut down non-compliant companies, enforcing sales through government regulations, and effectively disarming the People through lack of ammunition. No bullets, they can't fire the weapons."
30 posted on 12/11/2007 5:46:02 AM PST by philman_36
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To: WildcatClan; LukeL
I don’t think they care about a massacre as much as just making it
hard on gun owners, period.


I would not be suprised if the anti-gun folks think they are going
after "the gateway drug" of lots of gun owners.
I wouldn't be shocked if some pencil-necked geek professor
has done some federally-funded study and found that the vast majority
of shooting enthusiasts "got hooked" with that common first weapon,
a .22 cal rifle.

After all, for a lot of gun owners, our "nasty habit" did start
with .22 cal guns/ammo!
31 posted on 12/11/2007 5:47:40 AM PST by VOA
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To: Joe Brower
It get's worse...
32 posted on 12/11/2007 5:53:24 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: neverdem
also go one step beyond the law by banning not just the use but also the possession of lead ammunition in the affected areas. That distinction, she noted, will make it easier for wardens to enforce the ban.

Do we really need to look further into the reality of this law... its not for the damn birds...

33 posted on 12/11/2007 6:18:41 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (A few Rams must look after the sheep 'til the Good Shepherd returns...)
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To: Dead Corpse
Gee, I feel safer already.

That .50 looked like a Serbu BFG. Serbu's about an hour north of my locale. I see their test guy at my local range once in a while.

34 posted on 12/11/2007 6:20:33 AM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: WildcatClan
I think 1/5 of the lead from the round is discharged into the atmosphere.

I call BS on that! I've found way too many intact lead bullets over the years. Any documentation on that, aside from the Brady Bunch?

35 posted on 12/11/2007 6:27:49 AM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution ? 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: Joe Brower
Considering some of the utterly ridiculous things a person can do to "lose" their RKBA in Califfornia? Yeah... Not so good...

In my more fantastical moments, I wonder what it'd be like toting an Anzio Ironworks 20mm to a local range. ;-)

36 posted on 12/11/2007 6:41:09 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Dead Corpse

Try it and report back.

:)


37 posted on 12/11/2007 6:52:14 AM PST by wastedyears (One Marine vs. 550 consultants. Sounds like good odds to me.)
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To: wastedyears

Gotta get the Missus to sign off on a $12k expenditure. It may be a while... ;-)


38 posted on 12/11/2007 7:04:49 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Dead Corpse

Good luck

Christmas?


39 posted on 12/11/2007 7:08:23 AM PST by wastedyears (One Marine vs. 550 consultants. Sounds like good odds to me.)
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To: WildcatClan

“The conventional lead ammo isn’t really good for the shooter anyway so maybe this is a good thing”

Do you have some science to back up this statement, or do you FEEL this is fact?

Let me posit what the SCIENTIFIC evidence shows: A shooter of lead bullets is in NO danger if shooting in a well ventilated range or outside.


40 posted on 12/11/2007 7:14:26 AM PST by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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