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THE WOMAN WHO STOPPED THE KILLING (Colorado Gunman)
NY Post ^ | December 10, 2007

Posted on 12/11/2007 5:35:12 AM PST by Sopater

Col. Jeanne Assam said her hands were steady as she aimed her gun at a young man firing a high-powered rifle in the crowded foyer of the New Life Church.

And she prayed for divine guidance.

I was given the assignment to end this before it got too much worse, the volunteer security guard said yesterday, a day after police say the same man killed four people at the church and a missionary training school in a nearby city.

I just said, Holy Spirit, be with me, Assam said. My hands werent even shaking.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Colorado
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1 posted on 12/11/2007 5:35:12 AM PST by Sopater
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To: Sopater

“I just said, Holy Spirit, be with me”

Nothing like a fully jacketed Holy Spirit when confronted by a crazed gunman.


2 posted on 12/11/2007 5:37:08 AM PST by Slapshot68
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To: Sopater

Woman of the year?


3 posted on 12/11/2007 5:38:56 AM PST by SMARTY
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To: SMARTY

Did you catch the statement about the police saying he might have shot himself?

He comes to the church with 1,000 rounds, shoots two people dead, and says, ok that is enough killing & shoots himself? I doubt it.

I believe the police chiefs that are dead set against conceal & carry are thinking they need to bring Jeane down a notch and are spreading misinformation.


4 posted on 12/11/2007 5:42:13 AM PST by HD1200
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To: HD1200

Let’s get a consensus of the people who are alive but would not be except for her action.


5 posted on 12/11/2007 5:44:34 AM PST by SMARTY
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To: HD1200

It would have to be misinformation, because the person who took the creep’s gun away (after the guard had shot him dead and he was sliding down the wall) said that the gun had jammed. So I think that rules out suicide.


6 posted on 12/11/2007 5:47:00 AM PST by livius
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To: Sopater

What a beautiful, noble, and thoroughly admirable woman. And she’s not married? You single guys in Denver are all idiots for not snapping her up.


7 posted on 12/11/2007 5:51:53 AM PST by Fairview ( Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.)
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To: HD1200
All of the witnesses would have had to have gotten together in a matter of seconds and concocted the story about the woman taking the shooter out. Unbelievable!
8 posted on 12/11/2007 5:52:27 AM PST by Coldwater Creek
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To: Sopater

She reminds me of a modern day Charlie’s angel.


9 posted on 12/11/2007 5:53:32 AM PST by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: Sopater
The ny post is anti-gun (just like the ny slimes), so I think they tried to make it LOOK like this woman, who was NOT a current police officer or licensed security guard, WAS one of these "officials", by putting Col. in front of her name. It's probably short for Coloradan, but THEY want all to believe she is a Colonel, in my opinion.

Can't report that an AVERAGE LAW-ABIDING CITIZEN accomplished what she did, now can we?

10 posted on 12/11/2007 5:54:22 AM PST by DocH (RINO-rudy for BRONX Dog Catcher 2008!!!)
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To: Coldwater Creek

This woman is going to need near the strength she demonstrated at the Church to defend herself against the liberal media who are now going to tear her apart for proving their lies about the importance of right to carry..


11 posted on 12/11/2007 5:55:21 AM PST by HD1200
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To: HD1200

Yep..the NRA needs to step in and provide some political cover for her.


12 posted on 12/11/2007 5:56:41 AM PST by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: Sopater; xzins; Alex Murphy; Larry Lucido

Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!


13 posted on 12/11/2007 5:58:37 AM PST by Gamecock (There was only one victorious life.)
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To: livius

I heard that this morning also—that the kid took one shot, then killed himself. I also heard that his body was found outside the church. Which is it?


14 posted on 12/11/2007 5:58:37 AM PST by sarasota
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To: DocH

The results the same either way, he is dead and dead is done.
Last week here in Alaska we had a guy kill his father with a machete, stole a truck, killed an innocent man in a totally random act, shot a woman jogger before police stopped him, I actually met the guy in a bar and a lot of people knew him, he just snapped.
I am wondering what real influences there are at work to create these people, its becoming almost a weekly thing.

And I am doing CCW daily now.


15 posted on 12/11/2007 6:00:38 AM PST by Eye of Unk
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To: DocH

Interesting point.


16 posted on 12/11/2007 6:01:18 AM PST by Sopater (A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but a fool's heart to the left. ~ Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: HD1200
She’ll do alright. Her humility was astounding!
17 posted on 12/11/2007 6:02:17 AM PST by Coldwater Creek
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To: All
Here is a real-live example of a “strong, confident woman”. You hear about them from the MSM, however they use Madonna, Christina Aguliorlaroaskank (sp), Sarah Jessica Parker, Oprah, and Hillary as examples. Those ladies couldn’t hold a candle to this brave woman.
I know she is going to go thru some tough times and I hope she gets plenty of support to re-affirm the righteousness of what she did...
18 posted on 12/11/2007 6:02:22 AM PST by Maverick68 (w)
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To: HD1200; sarasota; Gamecock

FoxNews is reporting an online rant left by Murray in which he says he intended to kill as many as possible in the “shootout.”

This woman saved a lot of lives.


19 posted on 12/11/2007 6:04:39 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain! True Supporters of Our Troops Support the Necessity of their Sacrifice!)
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To: xzins

Yeah, Murray thought this church would be a gun-free zone.


20 posted on 12/11/2007 6:09:01 AM PST by sarasota
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To: sarasota

Virtually ever office building and plant in Minnesota features a prominent “No Guns” sign.


22 posted on 12/11/2007 6:18:38 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: DocH
Was the PD at the presser, or are they ignoring it?

""Tactical officers with the El Paso County Sheriff's department take up positions behind vehicles around the perimeter of the New Life Church in Colorado Springs."

23 posted on 12/11/2007 6:20:31 AM PST by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: Sopater

Wonder if she used to work in Minneapolis as a police officer. The training shows.


24 posted on 12/11/2007 6:22:49 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: Earthdweller

Just a real woman doing a real thing.


25 posted on 12/11/2007 6:24:37 AM PST by ichabod1 ("Self defense is not only our right, it is our duty." President Ronald Reagan)
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To: Eye of Unk; DocH
I am wondering what real influences there are at work to create these people, its becoming almost a weekly thing.

Ephesians 6:12

26 posted on 12/11/2007 6:26:48 AM PST by tarheelswamprat
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To: ichabod1

There are a lot more of them than the liberals think. But don’t let the news out, they are too busy blaming “the man” for their problems. Idiots don’t know who raised “the man”.


27 posted on 12/11/2007 6:26:56 AM PST by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: Earthdweller

They used to say that the hand that rocks the cradle rules the world.


28 posted on 12/11/2007 6:29:22 AM PST by ichabod1 ("Self defense is not only our right, it is our duty." President Ronald Reagan)
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To: Sopater

There is a reson why you never hear of policeman taking out these rampaging shooters. People need to understand that in a situation like this the police can not protect you - they only show up after the fact to collect evidence and prepare the bodies for removal.


29 posted on 12/11/2007 6:31:08 AM PST by CrazyJoeDivola
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To: ichabod1
It’s still the truth and we are going to kick the femi-nazis' and sicko bigots butts. We have had enough.
30 posted on 12/11/2007 6:31:09 AM PST by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: DocH

[Can’t report that an AVERAGE LAW-ABIDING CITIZEN accomplished what she did, now can we?]

Were she in Phoenix, the “New Times” news?paper? would publish her name, address and a map to her house for those who believe she is a threat to society.


31 posted on 12/11/2007 6:38:14 AM PST by dbacks (Taglines for sale or rent.)
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To: CrazyJoeDivola

I think we’re really seeing that even if they show up all they’re going to do is establish a perimeter and wait for the situation to resolve itself. It’s not their fault. I don’t blame them for not charging in when it would be tactically stupid. I blame those that establish these ‘no gun zones.’


32 posted on 12/11/2007 6:38:19 AM PST by ichabod1 ("Self defense is not only our right, it is our duty." President Ronald Reagan)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Well that’s bad news. May as well post a sign to “Welcome Terrorists with Guns”. Change is needed and fast.


33 posted on 12/11/2007 6:39:13 AM PST by sarasota
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To: Fido969

She sure didn’t train under the Columbine cop shop!


34 posted on 12/11/2007 6:40:24 AM PST by dbacks (Taglines for sale or rent.)
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To: HD1200

“Did you catch the statement about the police saying he might have shot himself?”

Okay, lets take the Police’s statement about how he might have actually shot himself. Let’s assume its true (which I don’t believe for a minute). What is it that caused him to commit suicide? If this woman was not charging him and firing, would he have commited suicide or kept going on killing many others? I think we all know the answer to these questions. With that in mind, even if he did commit suicide, she still saved a lot of lives.

I have no doubt he would have eventually killed himself. However, it would have been when he was running out of ammo and I doubt that any police officers who got on the scene while he was still killing people would have went inside. We have historical information to back this up. Remember Columbine? The Police stayed outside and did not try to enter the building until after all the shooting stopped. The reason is that the police are not there to stop crimes necessarily as to clean up and solve it after the crime has been commited. We the people have to stop these mass killings.


35 posted on 12/11/2007 6:41:45 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: sarasota

“Yeah, Murray thought this church would be a gun-free zone.”

Didn’t do his research too well, then. From what I’ve been reading, mega churches ALL have security.


36 posted on 12/11/2007 6:43:21 AM PST by gracesdad
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To: dbacks

Fact it is was a CITIZEN on site that stopped a massacre.

The cops can do all they can, but as we have seen, they can’t protect us from these types of situations - dozens will be killed before they even get there, regardless of how aggressively they prosecute the situation.


37 posted on 12/11/2007 6:44:59 AM PST by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: CrazyJoeDivola

The older I get the more I think that liberals/secularists project on to the state the attributes of God.

They expect the state to be omniscient—the state knows every thing about everyone.

They expect the state to be omnipresent—the state is everywhere, and able to meet every need.

They expect the state to be omnipotent—the state is able to protect in every situation.

You see this when people are told to wait for the authorities to arrive to remedy any dangerous situation. This mindset stunts initiative and eradicates the whole idea of self-preservation or self-protection.

Miss Assam is testimony to everything polar opposite to the liberal mindset. And far fewer people died because of her actions.


38 posted on 12/11/2007 6:48:01 AM PST by twntaipan (To say someone is a liar and a Democrat is to be redundant.)
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To: twntaipan

It’s the collectivist mindset. Everybody is supposed to be a specialist. If there’s a shooter everybody is supposed to wait until the specialist in shooters shows up. It negates the idea of the well rounded individual, in which one can teach a class AND put down a shooter. Or cut the head off a snake for that matter.


39 posted on 12/11/2007 6:52:06 AM PST by ichabod1 ("Self defense is not only our right, it is our duty." President Ronald Reagan)
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To: gracesdad

One would suspect they have to have security. All that cash, what with multiple passings of the plate, in a room with several thousand people.


40 posted on 12/11/2007 6:52:59 AM PST by dmz
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To: DocH
The ny post is anti-gun (just like the ny slimes), so I think they tried to make it LOOK like this woman, who was NOT a current police officer or licensed security guard, WAS one of these "officials", by putting Col. in front of her name. It's probably short for Coloradan, but THEY want all to believe she is a Colonel, in my opinion.

That's what Col. in front of someone's name means. Using Col. at the beginning of a sentence to mean "Coloradan" would be a usage they just made up.

I don't know where the Post got that bit of information. Google didn't turn up any other mention of a service record, and she looks awfully young to have retired as a colonel. Maybe she's a reservist. One Web site tracking citizen complaints against police lists complaints against an officer named Jeanne Assam from 1993 to 1997 -- the only one sustained was for "derogatory language." Don't know if that's the same lady.

Can't report that an AVERAGE LAW-ABIDING CITIZEN accomplished what she did, now can we?

She's certainly anything but average.

41 posted on 12/11/2007 6:53:23 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: RGSpincich
Yes, she did. Evidently she was fired in the late 1990's over "truthfulness issues" according to the Star Tribute.
In an internal investigation, Assam had denied she used derogatory language in an encounter with a citizen in the late 1990s, but a videotape proved differently, Kroll said.

Assam appealed and the firing was upheld by an arbitrator. Because police personnel files were not available late Monday, Minneapolis Police Department spokesman Jesse Garcia said he could not provide details.

42 posted on 12/11/2007 7:00:57 AM PST by Sopater (A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but a fool's heart to the left. ~ Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: Sopater; All
Because police personnel files were not available late Monday, Minneapolis Police Department spokesman Jesse Garcia said he could not provide details.

The press is already trying to find a way to discredit her based on her past record in Minneapolis.
43 posted on 12/11/2007 7:04:22 AM PST by Sopater (A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but a fool's heart to the left. ~ Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
Okay, lets take the Police’s statement about how he might have actually shot himself. Let’s assume its true (which I don’t believe for a minute). What is it that caused him to commit suicide? If this woman was not charging him and firing, would he have commited suicide or kept going on killing many others?

Suicide is fairly common in spree killers. He walked into that church with the plan in mind to take out as many people as he could, and then off himself when he ran out of ammo or escape options. One of the two heavily-armored North Hollywood bank robbers killed himself, and I believe the Columbine shooters also had suicide as their endgame.

I think we all know the answer to these questions. With that in mind, even if he did commit suicide, she still saved a lot of lives.

Absolutely. She stopped him. It matters not a bit whether she fired the fatal shot or not.

What my dad taught me was to shoot to stop. To remove the threat. Whether the perp lives or dies is a secondary concern. Priority one is to stop him from shooting, not from breathing.

44 posted on 12/11/2007 7:07:15 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: Sopater

God Bless her and may she never have a doubt that it was God’s Hand that guided her to save her fellow man.

The witnesses to her acts of courage have spoken clearly and her actions were well justified. Her few detractors lack courage and moral conviction. There is right and wrong in this world and unless somebody stands up for right, wrong will flourish.

This is clearly a shining example of an armed citizen stopping the wolf at the door. Wack jobs exist. No laws or regulations will stop them from their attempt to cause carnage because they do not recognize those laws. We must choose to stop them or be their victims. That is why the Second Amendment is in our Constitution. Be it the lone gunman of the corrupt tyrant, self-defense is a right not to be abridged.


45 posted on 12/11/2007 7:08:03 AM PST by Steamburg (Your wallet speaks the only language most politicians understand.)
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To: ReignOfError

“Suicide is fairly common in spree killers. “

I have no doubt this whackjob would have eventually offed himself. I believe that this is what gives these whackjobs the “courage” (if we can call it that) to continue to fire even if someone were to fire at them. They are no longer afraid of dying.

However, with the amount of ammo they are reporting he had, he was planning on taking a lot more people down before he turned it on himself.


46 posted on 12/11/2007 7:21:01 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: RGSpincich

Wonder if she used to work in Minneapolis as a police officer. The training shows.


Let’s not have cop-worship taking credit for citizen heroism, OK?


47 posted on 12/11/2007 7:23:28 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed ("We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts; I support them, I won't chip away at them" -Mitt Romney)
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To: Earthdweller

To me she has the natural ruggedness that gal projected in those Kill Bill movies. Very attractive but tuff enuff.


48 posted on 12/11/2007 7:23:54 AM PST by biff
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To: Sopater
The press is already trying to find a way to discredit her based on her past record in Minneapolis.

It always amuses me when folks ascribe motives to "the press."

The fact that Jeanne Assam was trained to be a cop helps explain how she could stay so cool under fire. Her disciplinary record helps explain why she's not a police officer today. It's a legitimate part of the story.

That said, she's pretty much universally being hailed as a hero, in the MSM as well as elsewhere, so anyone "trying to find a way to discredit her" is doing a piss-poor job of it.

49 posted on 12/11/2007 7:24:47 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: livius
It would have to be misinformation, because the person who took the creep’s gun away (after the guard had shot him dead and he was sliding down the wall) said that the gun had jammed. So I think that rules out suicide

Not necessarily. He could've pistol whipped himself to death.

50 posted on 12/11/2007 7:32:14 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (No buy China!!)
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