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Giuliani now says he wanted to deport all 400,000 illegals from NYC...(Rudy busted in lie)
Examiner.com via the Drudge Report ^ | 12-11-07 | Bill Sammon

Posted on 12/11/2007 8:11:31 AM PST by TitansAFC

WASHINGTON (Map, News) - Rudy Giuliani says he wanted to deport all 400,000 illegal immigrants from New York City when he was mayor, but ended up welcoming most of those who were “causing me no trouble.”

In an interview for the new book “Meet the Next President,” Giuliani lamented that the Immigration and Naturalization Service deported only 700 to 1,500 of the city’s 400,000 aliens each year during his mayoralty. Giuliani said it was obvious the INS was not about to increase deportation “from 700 or 1,500 to 400,000.”

“If they could, I would have turned all the people over. It would have helped me. I would have had a smaller population. I would have had fewer problems,” the Republican presidential candidate told The Examiner in an interview. “But the practical reality was, they were going to make an infinitesimal, statistically insignificant contribution to the problem. I was stuck with it. And no matter what their promises, they weren’t going to do anything about it.”

In fact, according to Giuliani, the INS told his predecessor, David Dinkins, to stop reporting criminals for deportation. Dinkins complied, even though he had re-issued an executive order by his predecessor, Ed Koch, that called for the reporting of illegals suspected of “engaging in criminal activity.”

When Giuliani took over as mayor, he too re-issued the Koch order.

“Why don’t you throw out the people who are drug dealers, that are coming out of jail? And before they hit the streets, we can turn them over,” Giuliani recalled telling the INS. “We couldn’t work that out with them. They wouldn’t do it for us.

“They wouldn’t do it for us because they had, you know, some professor with a visa first, and they had two restaurant workers, and three gardeners. Now it may or may not be right for them to be here, but they’re not threatening anybody. These drug dealers are threatening people. I couldn’t get them to do that, so I had to handle the thing myself. And I handled it.”

Giuliani handled it by cracking down on illegals who broke more than immigration laws. Meanwhile, he adopted a laissez-faire attitude toward everyone else who entered the United States illegally.

“The ones that are causing me no trouble, I’m going to leave them alone,” he told The Examiner. “They’re contributing to the lawful part of the city. I’ve got so many citizens — legal immigrants, and then some illegal immigrants — committing crimes that I’ve got to pay attention to them.”

Similarly, Giuliani concluded that going after school-age illegals would be an empty political gesture.

“I had sixty-[thousand] to seventy-thousand children in school who were illegal immigrants,” he said. “So for the purpose of protecting my backside, I would turn over the names to the immigration service so I could sound like a tough guy? I would end up with fifty-[thousand] to sixty-thousand kids on the street. And crime would go up in New York, not go down.”

So the mayor resigned himself to the federal government’s inability or unwillingness to deport illegal immigrants. In the process, he absolved himself of any blame for the city’s ongoing status as a haven for 400,000 illegals.

“That’s the federal government’s problem,” he told The Examiner. “If you’re not hurting anybody in my city, I don’t care.”

But Giuliani’s “I don’t care” attitude toward illegals sometimes morphed into unabashed cheerleading, as if he were rolling out the red carpet for them.

“Some of the hardest-working and most productive people in this city are undocumented aliens,” the mayor said at a 1994 press conference. “If you come here and you work hard and you happen to be in an undocumented status, you’re one of the people who we want in this city. You’re somebody that we want to protect, and we want you to get out from under what is often a life of being like a fugitive, which is really unfair.”

The Examiner asked Giuliani why it was unfair to apply fugitive status to someone who broke the law to enter the United States.

“We were going to treat them as a fugitive if they committed a crime,” he replied. “And we weren’t going to treat them like a fugitive if they were being calm and responsible and decent.

“And finally, it didn’t much matter what I did with them,” he added. “The turning over of names to the immigration service was a mere formal act. It was absurd to think that they could possibly handle it. It continues to be absurd.

“In order to deal with the 12 million illegals that are in this country, you would have to take the entire federal, state and local criminal justice systems and multiply it by some factor of seven or eight or nine.”

Instead of attempting such an impossible task, Giuliani said he would concentrate on securing the U.S.-Mexico border if elected president.

Although Giuliani has been savaged by rival Republicans for his record on immigration, he insisted to The Examiner that “immigration is an issue that is not a negative with any Republican voters for me.” He said he wants voters to view his immigration stance in the context of his tough-on-crime credentials.

“My objective was to make New York City safe,” he said. “Illegal immigration and the problem of illegal immigrants was just one of many problems that were part of that whole. So the real question is, did I deal with it intelligently, and did it result in the city becoming much safer? Or did I deal with it stupidly and the city became much more dangerous?”

He believes the answer to that question will calm any fears that voters might harbor about his immigration stance.

“I end up being the strongest candidate on immigration, for the reason that I ran a city and made it real safe,” he concluded. “And I don’t see any opponent that I have who has ever done nearly as much about bringing down illegality as I have.”


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KEYWORDS: 2008; giuliani; giulianitruthfile; liars; rudy; rudyonimmigration
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---"Rudy Giuliani says he wanted to deport all 400,000 illegal immigrants from New York City when he was mayor,..."---

Anyone who tries to tell me from now on that Rudy is not a liar - a flat-out, bald-faced liar - you will be refered to this link.

1 posted on 12/11/2007 8:11:36 AM PST by TitansAFC
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To: FreeInWV; 383rr; abishai; Afronaut; airborne; Alberta's Child; Alice in Wonderland; Antonious; ...

The “Stop Rudy” ping list!

E-mail/ping me if you want on/off the list! SPREAD THE WORD!!!


2 posted on 12/11/2007 8:12:12 AM PST by TitansAFC ("My 80% enemy is not my 20% friend" -- Common Sense)
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To: TitansAFC

3 posted on 12/11/2007 8:15:40 AM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: TitansAFC

A liar? Surely not!

Rudy is probably referring to the first 400,000 who came to New Amsterdam in the New World, all with unregistered muskets.

Comprehensive List of Handguns *NOT* Outlawed by Mayor Rudy Giuliani
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1806614/posts


4 posted on 12/11/2007 8:17:54 AM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: TitansAFC

Okay, Rudy

Hunter built the darned fence.


5 posted on 12/11/2007 8:18:38 AM PST by wastedyears (One Marine vs. 550 consultants. Sounds like good odds to me.)
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To: xsmommy

And you think that McCain is the mentally unstable one...


6 posted on 12/11/2007 8:21:59 AM PST by NeoCaveman (Fred On, apply directly to the WhiteHouse)
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To: TitansAFC

Oh goody, another one of those Rooty, “I wanted to, coulda done, shoulda done, but I didn’t”, moments.

Priceless comedy!


7 posted on 12/11/2007 8:22:14 AM PST by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: TitansAFC
Although Giuliani has been savaged by rival Republicans for his record on immigration, he insisted to The Examiner that “immigration is an issue that is not a negative with any Republican voters for me.”

I'll admit that his immigration stance is not an issue with me. I never get far enough to consider it. Guns and abortion are all the reason I need to never vote for this guy.

8 posted on 12/11/2007 8:24:49 AM PST by phrogphlyer
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To: TitansAFC; TommyDale; Condor51
Rooty's presence in the Repub party is like the uninvited guest at the black tie party wearing brown socks with black shoes and no anti-perspirant.

He slobbers all over the bar and the buffet----insults all the guests----craps all over the place---then won't go when he's asked to leave.

Rooty told MTP---he's gonna win all the primaries outside NH and Iowa. The only way he could win is with massive voter fraud.....and we should not put that past this grinning moron and his neopuke handlers.

9 posted on 12/11/2007 8:31:12 AM PST by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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To: TitansAFC
Rudy Giuliani says he wanted to deport all 400,000 illegal immigrants from New York City when he was mayor, but ended up welcoming most of those who were “causing me no trouble.”

Now THAT'S what I call a man with principles and BACKBONE!!! /s

10 posted on 12/11/2007 8:33:42 AM PST by stockstrader (We need a conservative who will ENERGIZE the Party, not a liberal who will DEMORALIZE it!)
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To: Liz

“Rooty’s presence in the Repub party is like the uninvited guest at the black tie party wearing brown socks with black shoes and no anti-perspirant.”

LOL.

Rudy wears pink socks with his tux.


11 posted on 12/11/2007 8:44:32 AM PST by rineaux (How dare you, how dare you question the Clinton's wrecked record.)
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To: TitansAFC; Liz; indylindy; 007girl; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; calcowgirl

Rudy Giuliani makes Bill Clinton look like an innocent choir boy.


12 posted on 12/11/2007 8:48:42 AM PST by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: TitansAFC

Giuliani doesn’t appear to have a conscience.


13 posted on 12/11/2007 8:51:48 AM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: TitansAFC
Rooty is so full of sh_t, it's coming out of his ears.

I guess his handlers haven't informed him yet of the Internet and all the amazing things one can find...

The Illegal-Alien Crime Wave
Heather Mac Donald

Immigration politics have similarly harmed New York. Former mayor Rudolph Giuliani sued all the way up to the Supreme Court to defend the city’s sanctuary policy against a 1996 federal law decreeing that cities could not prohibit their employees from cooperating with the INS. Oh yeah? said Giuliani; just watch me. The INS, he claimed, with what turned out to be grotesque irony, only aims to “terrorize people.” Though he lost in court, he remained defiant to the end....

New York conveniently forgot the 1996 federal ban on sanctuary laws until a gang of five Mexicans—four of them illegal—abducted and brutally raped a 42-year-old mother of two near some railroad tracks in Queens. The NYPD had already arrested three of the illegal aliens numerous times for such crimes as assault, attempted robbery, criminal trespass, illegal gun possession, and drug offenses. The department had never notified the INS.

So, ya wanna try again Rooty?

Like maybe after you get done explaining once more testifying before a Federal Grand Jury how it was legal for you to have your MISTRESS get NYPD Taxi Service and 24/7/365 protection, and also have them drive her girlfriends around to go shopping - all on the taxpayers dime.

14 posted on 12/11/2007 8:52:04 AM PST by Condor51 (Rudy & Judi have more baggage than Samsonite. But that's okay, the Cops carry it.)
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To: TitansAFC
I'm sick of clowns like Rudy and Mitt bragging about how tough they would have been in the past only to be thwarted in their plans by some forces beyond their control. The mark of a true leader is to confront obstacles and find a way around them, not to engage in hand-wringing and inane comments like, "Well, at least I tried."

And yes, Giuliani is a despicable, bald-faced liar, but what's even worse is that he thinks we're stupid enough to fall for his lies. Disgusting!

15 posted on 12/11/2007 8:55:53 AM PST by LiveFree99
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To: savedbygrace
Giuliani doesn’t appear to have a conscience.

Liberal democrats never do.
16 posted on 12/11/2007 8:59:42 AM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedanism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: TitansAFC

Marital fidelity, lying. Funny how it’s all related. Pubs need to pick someone with character.


17 posted on 12/11/2007 8:59:43 AM PST by Paul_B
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To: savedbygrace
Giuliani doesn’t appear to have a conscience.

He's the same old Rudy, except now he's getting very desperate.

The elitists in the party had promised Rudy that they could get him the nominaton and now he's discovering that they can't deliver.

He'll say anything right now to try to keep his campaign together.

18 posted on 12/11/2007 8:59:45 AM PST by tear gas (Because of the 22nd Amendment, we are losing President. Bush. Can we afford to lose him now?)
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To: tear gas

Giuliani is down for the count. But the Huckster is on the rise, which leaves me feeling a lot like in ‘92 when Clinton got the nomination for the Dims.

I’m like, “Am I in an episode of The Twilight Zone?” This is insanity writ large.


19 posted on 12/11/2007 9:04:04 AM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: NeoCaveman
"And you think that McCain is the mentally unstable one..."

He is. He's just not the only one.

Didn't Rudy in one of the early Republican debates admit to having said illegals who wanted to work in NYC were welcome when he was called on it?

20 posted on 12/11/2007 9:04:26 AM PST by penowa
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To: TitansAFC

He wanted to deport 400,000 illegals from his Sanctuary City??? What a conniving rat!


21 posted on 12/11/2007 9:04:56 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than to have to fight them OVER HERE!)
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To: TitansAFC
Alll of these pro-open borders, pro-illegal alien "rights" phonies need to reregister as the true liberal/socialists that they are.

The definitely ARE NOT Pro-America, Pro-Freedom Conservatives!!!

Lord, please rid us of RINO phonies.

22 posted on 12/11/2007 9:06:14 AM PST by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: TommyDale
***** Rudy Giuliani makes Bill Clinton look like an innocent choir boy. *****

Rudy Giuliani makes Bill Clinton look like Ward Cleaver, Ozzie Nelson and Jim Anderson (Father Knows Best) all rolled into one.

This would be a good topic for a separate weekend Chat thread: 'Rudy Makes Bill Clinton Look Like...'

:-)

23 posted on 12/11/2007 9:08:49 AM PST by Condor51 (Rudy & Judi have more baggage than Samsonite. But that's okay, the Cops carry it.)
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To: TitansAFC
"Now it may or may not be right for them to be here, but they’re not threatening anybody."

Sounds like liberal-speak to me.

FMCDH(BITS)

24 posted on 12/11/2007 9:17:47 AM PST by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: TitansAFC

Hell - even Rudy doesn’t know where Rudy REALLY stands on any matter...

He makes the flip flopping Kerry look like a virtual Rock of Gibraltar.


25 posted on 12/11/2007 9:17:55 AM PST by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: TitansAFC
He wanted to deport them - yet he welcomed them. Just recently he has said he does not support deportation, wants amnesty, and would support only a virtual wall. He is getting desperate - although Huckabee might just pull it out for him.
26 posted on 12/11/2007 9:21:38 AM PST by Dante3
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To: TitansAFC
Like I’ve been saying, liberals aren’t to be trusted. Any conservative who would trust Giuliani with their vote, needs to have their head examined.
27 posted on 12/11/2007 9:28:34 AM PST by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Condor51
"'Rudy Makes Bill Clinton Look Like...'"

. . .an American.

28 posted on 12/11/2007 9:34:21 AM PST by Hunton Peck (Rudy, Mitt, Mike: How could anyone want a president who cares so little about the Constitution?)
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To: TitansAFC

This guy is becoming less and less electable as each day passes. Thankfully so.


29 posted on 12/11/2007 9:39:27 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: taxed2death
Hannity will spin this in his daily Giuliani kissup.
30 posted on 12/11/2007 9:42:53 AM PST by MaxMax (God Bless America)
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To: taxed2death
This guy is becoming less and less electable as each day passes. Thankfully so.

True. But his name recognition--combined with those willing to keep 'their heads in the sand' when it comes to discussing or debating his liberal position on many issues--will keep him in good stead with the liberal-leaning wing of the Party.

It's up to conservatives to keep 'enlightening' all Republicans about how LIBERAL Rudy really is. It is happening as we speak, but it will be a slow process--as most are just starting to look at the candidates.

31 posted on 12/11/2007 9:45:40 AM PST by stockstrader (We need a conservative who will ENERGIZE the Party, not a liberal who will DEMORALIZE it!)
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To: MaxMax
Hannity will spin this in his daily Giuliani kissup.

No doubt.

32 posted on 12/11/2007 9:55:02 AM PST by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: arbooz

I urge every FReeper to read this (or catch MTP reruns on MSNBC).

Meet The Press transcript. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22170668/

Russert reamed Giuliani unmercifully. Russert was visibly disgusted at Rooty’s moronic smirking and giggling over every serious question. Russert even reprimanded RG: “hey, these are serious questions.”

Russert hit RG with dirty Kerik, security for Jooty, and Rooty’s scummy business dealings-—pitchng hardball questions.

The smirking, grinning Rooty lied and lied and lied. He provided security for his bimbo well-before she was publicly known-—so how could she have been threatened? Rooty and his admin diverted government funds to give the bimbo 24/7 security coverage. Obscure agencies with struggling budgets were saddled with the bills for Rooty’s mistress.

Thanks to Tim Russert, Rudy’s numerous glaring personality and character flaws were exposed. Tim Russert provided a great public service.


35 posted on 12/11/2007 10:52:28 AM PST by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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To: Liz
I just found this beauty about Rudy's love for illegals on another thread..
Giuliani:

Ran a sanctuary city and was darned proud of it. “There are times when undocumented workers (code for illegal aliens) must have protection,” he insisted then. He praised the “courage and ambition” it takes “to leave your native country and start a new life in a new land” – and to begin by breaking the laws of that new land, refusing to learn its language, scarfing government benefits, taking jobs from those who are there legitimately (immigrant and native born) and perhaps committing a more serious crime or two.

In 1994, the Huddled Masses Kid told an audience, “If you come here and you work hard and you happen to be in an undocumented status, you’re one of the people who we want in this city.” On 9/11, some with an undocumented status accepted his invitation.

In 1996, Giuliani compared immigration reform advocates to the Know Nothing Party. “The anti-immigration issue that’s now sweeping the country in my view is no different than the movements that swept the country in the past. You look back at the Chinese Exclusionary Act, or the Know-Nothing movement – these were movements that encouraged Americans to fear foreigners, to fear something that is different, and to stop immigration.” Besides the smear – comparing a majority of concerned Americans to racists and xenophobes – we should fear those who infiltrate our borders, who may have criminal records or terrorist ties. We should also fear the effect on national unity of those who don’t learn English and won’t identify with America (witness all of the Mexican flags at illegals’ demonstrations last year).

In 2000, Rudy boasted, “There isn’t a mayor or a public official in this country that’s more strongly pro-immigrant (another euphemism) than I am, including disagreeing with President Clinton when he signed anti-immigrant legislation (cutting off a few benefits to some illegals) about two or three years ago, which we got some amendments of (sic.) to protect the rights of immigrants.” Did that include flying lessons? How do you say “I love New York” in Arabic?

Seems like St Rooty's aura is wearing thin and his halo getting tarnished. After he loses in Iowa, NH, and SC - come Super Tuesday his support will be gone as people will see the 'Emperor Has No Clothes' (America's Mayor Is A Phony) and he'll fade away and be like last year's news.

It also has some stuff about Mitt & Huck on their Illegal problems but right now Rooty Tooty is the concern.

36 posted on 12/11/2007 10:57:37 AM PST by Condor51 (Rudy & Judi have more baggage than Samsonite. But that's okay, the Cops carry it.)
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To: Liz
**** Meet The Press transcript.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22170668/ ****

Thanks, Book-marked for future use :-)

37 posted on 12/11/2007 11:03:13 AM PST by Condor51 (Rudy & Judi have more baggage than Samsonite. But that's okay, the Cops carry it.)
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To: Condor51
N-i-c-e- find---- Rudy's love for illegals -----should be a separate thread.
38 posted on 12/11/2007 11:04:47 AM PST by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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To: TitansAFC

Oh wow... He’s completely melting down. I wanted him to lose the primaries just to keep our party out of RINO/immoral clutches. Now I want to see him lose the primaries just to enjoy, with extreme satisfaction, watching the GOP base flush this liar down the electoral toilet.


39 posted on 12/11/2007 11:54:38 AM PST by COgamer
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To: wastedyears

“Hunter built the darned fence.”

And Rudy said he wanted a virtual fence.


40 posted on 12/11/2007 2:25:31 PM PST by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-God/life/borders, understands Red China threat, NRA A+rating! www.gohunter08.com)
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To: Condor51

Post #36 - the REAL Rudy.


41 posted on 12/11/2007 2:26:39 PM PST by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-God/life/borders, understands Red China threat, NRA A+rating! www.gohunter08.com)
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To: rineaux
Rudy wears a pink feather boa and no tux.

But that wouldn't keep me from voting for him if I thought I could believe a word he says.

42 posted on 12/11/2007 2:47:33 PM PST by Tenniel2 (The Clinton era: jackboots, plane crashes, and murders -- and those were the good days. - after Bray)
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To: Condor51; TitansAFC; Liz; All

For Rudy Giuliani to come out and tell such a blatant lie about something that is so easily refuted is pretty remarkable. It looks to me like an act of desperation on his part — perhaps after seeing how Hillary Clinton’s campaign began sinking like a rock almost exclusive because of this one issue.


43 posted on 12/11/2007 2:48:01 PM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: TitansAFC

When a candidate gets to that level of lying, he is scared to the point of irrationality and desperation. He must not even be placing on internal polling.


44 posted on 12/11/2007 3:09:29 PM PST by jammer
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To: Alberta's Child; Condor51; TitansAFC; TommyDale; calcowgirl; indylindy

Scoff——everything Rooty’s said so far is a contradiction of what he said (or did) in a previous life......his memory underwent an Extreme Makeover.

Giuliani’s “values” wouldn’t fill a thimble. He worships at the Church of Whatever Works For Me.

This egomaniac thinks he can force on Americans the irrational mindset stinking up Mideast hellholes.


45 posted on 12/11/2007 3:12:31 PM PST by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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To: Liz

Speaking of that... I hear that Rudy’s jock strap is actually a thimble with two rubber bands.


46 posted on 12/11/2007 3:16:23 PM PST by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: Alberta's Child
For Rudy Giuliani to come out and tell such a blatant lie about something that is so easily refuted is pretty remarkable.

Oh puhleez,,,when it comes to blatant lies--I'll match Rudy's claim that he did NOT know his first wife was his second cousin (he claims he thought she was his third cousin) with ANY of his lies!! Rudy made that claim to get his annulment from the Catholic Church.

I mean, get real Rudy. He was married for 14 years,,,FOURTEEN years!!! You would think that SOMEONE in either family (or friends from either family) might have noticed that--during the engagement, wedding, reception, family get-togethers, family parties, anniversaries, birthdays, family cookouts, family anythings....lol

Come on Rudy, who but a Rudy apologist would believe THAT whopper?

47 posted on 12/11/2007 3:19:12 PM PST by stockstrader (We need a conservative who will ENERGIZE the Party, not a liberal who will DEMORALIZE it!)
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To: TommyDale

Makes a lotta sense.

That’s why he brought the NYPD with him to vist his mistress-—as reinforcements when the going got (ahem) rough.


48 posted on 12/11/2007 3:23:57 PM PST by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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To: TommyDale; Liz; calcowgirl
Rooty is desperate. He is now playing the only card he has. What is that? Just saying anything and hoping that conservatives are as ignorant as Democrats.

Sorry Rooty, you are in the wrong party, conservatives check out what candidates claim.

In a sad sort of way, I feel sorry for Rooty, like I do for most folks who are totally desperate. This is a big stretch, Rooty, and saying this is very sad, because you know that few believe a word you are saying.

Hey folks, never think your past actions do not have consequences, just ask Rooty, he will never be President.

49 posted on 12/11/2007 3:28:34 PM PST by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: Tenniel2

****Rudy wears a pink feather boa and no tux.
But that wouldn’t keep me from voting for him if I thought I could believe a word he says.****

Lets get something straight (no pun intended) I would vote for him as well, but like Hilly & Billy, Rudy doesn’t know what honesty is.


50 posted on 12/11/2007 6:37:42 PM PST by rineaux (How dare you, how dare you question the Clinton's wrecked record.)
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