Skip to comments.Giuliani now says he wanted to deport all 400,000 illegals from NYC...(Rudy busted in lie)
Posted on 12/11/2007 8:11:31 AM PST by TitansAFC
WASHINGTON (Map, News) - Rudy Giuliani says he wanted to deport all 400,000 illegal immigrants from New York City when he was mayor, but ended up welcoming most of those who were causing me no trouble.
In an interview for the new book Meet the Next President, Giuliani lamented that the Immigration and Naturalization Service deported only 700 to 1,500 of the citys 400,000 aliens each year during his mayoralty. Giuliani said it was obvious the INS was not about to increase deportation from 700 or 1,500 to 400,000.
If they could, I would have turned all the people over. It would have helped me. I would have had a smaller population. I would have had fewer problems, the Republican presidential candidate told The Examiner in an interview. But the practical reality was, they were going to make an infinitesimal, statistically insignificant contribution to the problem. I was stuck with it. And no matter what their promises, they werent going to do anything about it.
In fact, according to Giuliani, the INS told his predecessor, David Dinkins, to stop reporting criminals for deportation. Dinkins complied, even though he had re-issued an executive order by his predecessor, Ed Koch, that called for the reporting of illegals suspected of engaging in criminal activity.
When Giuliani took over as mayor, he too re-issued the Koch order.
Why dont you throw out the people who are drug dealers, that are coming out of jail? And before they hit the streets, we can turn them over, Giuliani recalled telling the INS. We couldnt work that out with them. They wouldnt do it for us.
They wouldnt do it for us because they had, you know, some professor with a visa first, and they had two restaurant workers, and three gardeners. Now it may or may not be right for them to be here, but theyre not threatening anybody. These drug dealers are threatening people. I couldnt get them to do that, so I had to handle the thing myself. And I handled it.
Giuliani handled it by cracking down on illegals who broke more than immigration laws. Meanwhile, he adopted a laissez-faire attitude toward everyone else who entered the United States illegally.
The ones that are causing me no trouble, Im going to leave them alone, he told The Examiner. Theyre contributing to the lawful part of the city. Ive got so many citizens legal immigrants, and then some illegal immigrants committing crimes that Ive got to pay attention to them.
Similarly, Giuliani concluded that going after school-age illegals would be an empty political gesture.
I had sixty-[thousand] to seventy-thousand children in school who were illegal immigrants, he said. So for the purpose of protecting my backside, I would turn over the names to the immigration service so I could sound like a tough guy? I would end up with fifty-[thousand] to sixty-thousand kids on the street. And crime would go up in New York, not go down.
So the mayor resigned himself to the federal governments inability or unwillingness to deport illegal immigrants. In the process, he absolved himself of any blame for the citys ongoing status as a haven for 400,000 illegals.
Thats the federal governments problem, he told The Examiner. If youre not hurting anybody in my city, I dont care.
But Giulianis I dont care attitude toward illegals sometimes morphed into unabashed cheerleading, as if he were rolling out the red carpet for them.
Some of the hardest-working and most productive people in this city are undocumented aliens, the mayor said at a 1994 press conference. If you come here and you work hard and you happen to be in an undocumented status, youre one of the people who we want in this city. Youre somebody that we want to protect, and we want you to get out from under what is often a life of being like a fugitive, which is really unfair.
The Examiner asked Giuliani why it was unfair to apply fugitive status to someone who broke the law to enter the United States.
We were going to treat them as a fugitive if they committed a crime, he replied. And we werent going to treat them like a fugitive if they were being calm and responsible and decent.
And finally, it didnt much matter what I did with them, he added. The turning over of names to the immigration service was a mere formal act. It was absurd to think that they could possibly handle it. It continues to be absurd.
In order to deal with the 12 million illegals that are in this country, you would have to take the entire federal, state and local criminal justice systems and multiply it by some factor of seven or eight or nine.
Instead of attempting such an impossible task, Giuliani said he would concentrate on securing the U.S.-Mexico border if elected president.
Although Giuliani has been savaged by rival Republicans for his record on immigration, he insisted to The Examiner that immigration is an issue that is not a negative with any Republican voters for me. He said he wants voters to view his immigration stance in the context of his tough-on-crime credentials.
My objective was to make New York City safe, he said. Illegal immigration and the problem of illegal immigrants was just one of many problems that were part of that whole. So the real question is, did I deal with it intelligently, and did it result in the city becoming much safer? Or did I deal with it stupidly and the city became much more dangerous?
He believes the answer to that question will calm any fears that voters might harbor about his immigration stance.
I end up being the strongest candidate on immigration, for the reason that I ran a city and made it real safe, he concluded. And I dont see any opponent that I have who has ever done nearly as much about bringing down illegality as I have.
Anyone who tries to tell me from now on that Rudy is not a liar - a flat-out, bald-faced liar - you will be refered to this link.
The Stop Rudy ping list!
E-mail/ping me if you want on/off the list! SPREAD THE WORD!!!
A liar? Surely not!
Rudy is probably referring to the first 400,000 who came to New Amsterdam in the New World, all with unregistered muskets.
Comprehensive List of Handguns *NOT* Outlawed by Mayor Rudy Giuliani
Hunter built the darned fence.
And you think that McCain is the mentally unstable one...
Oh goody, another one of those Rooty, “I wanted to, coulda done, shoulda done, but I didn’t”, moments.
I'll admit that his immigration stance is not an issue with me. I never get far enough to consider it. Guns and abortion are all the reason I need to never vote for this guy.
He slobbers all over the bar and the buffet----insults all the guests----craps all over the place---then won't go when he's asked to leave.
Rooty told MTP---he's gonna win all the primaries outside NH and Iowa. The only way he could win is with massive voter fraud.....and we should not put that past this grinning moron and his neopuke handlers.
Now THAT'S what I call a man with principles and BACKBONE!!! /s
“Rooty’s presence in the Repub party is like the uninvited guest at the black tie party wearing brown socks with black shoes and no anti-perspirant.”
Rudy wears pink socks with his tux.
Giuliani doesn’t appear to have a conscience.
I guess his handlers haven't informed him yet of the Internet and all the amazing things one can find...
The Illegal-Alien Crime Wave
Heather Mac Donald
Immigration politics have similarly harmed New York. Former mayor Rudolph Giuliani sued all the way up to the Supreme Court to defend the citys sanctuary policy against a 1996 federal law decreeing that cities could not prohibit their employees from cooperating with the INS. Oh yeah? said Giuliani; just watch me. The INS, he claimed, with what turned out to be grotesque irony, only aims to terrorize people. Though he lost in court, he remained defiant to the end....
New York conveniently forgot the 1996 federal ban on sanctuary laws until a gang of five Mexicansfour of them illegalabducted and brutally raped a 42-year-old mother of two near some railroad tracks in Queens. The NYPD had already arrested three of the illegal aliens numerous times for such crimes as assault, attempted robbery, criminal trespass, illegal gun possession, and drug offenses. The department had never notified the INS.
So, ya wanna try again Rooty?
Like maybe after you get done
explaining once more testifying before a Federal Grand Jury how it was legal for you to have your MISTRESS get NYPD Taxi Service and 24/7/365 protection, and also have them drive her girlfriends around to go shopping - all on the taxpayers dime.
And yes, Giuliani is a despicable, bald-faced liar, but what's even worse is that he thinks we're stupid enough to fall for his lies. Disgusting!
Marital fidelity, lying. Funny how it’s all related. Pubs need to pick someone with character.
He's the same old Rudy, except now he's getting very desperate.
The elitists in the party had promised Rudy that they could get him the nominaton and now he's discovering that they can't deliver.
He'll say anything right now to try to keep his campaign together.
Giuliani is down for the count. But the Huckster is on the rise, which leaves me feeling a lot like in ‘92 when Clinton got the nomination for the Dims.
I’m like, “Am I in an episode of The Twilight Zone?” This is insanity writ large.
He is. He's just not the only one.
Didn't Rudy in one of the early Republican debates admit to having said illegals who wanted to work in NYC were welcome when he was called on it?
He wanted to deport 400,000 illegals from his Sanctuary City??? What a conniving rat!
The definitely ARE NOT Pro-America, Pro-Freedom Conservatives!!!
Lord, please rid us of RINO phonies.
Rudy Giuliani makes Bill Clinton look like Ward Cleaver, Ozzie Nelson and Jim Anderson (Father Knows Best) all rolled into one.
This would be a good topic for a separate weekend Chat thread: 'Rudy Makes Bill Clinton Look Like...'
Sounds like liberal-speak to me.
Hell - even Rudy doesn’t know where Rudy REALLY stands on any matter...
He makes the flip flopping Kerry look like a virtual Rock of Gibraltar.
. . .an American.
This guy is becoming less and less electable as each day passes. Thankfully so.
True. But his name recognition--combined with those willing to keep 'their heads in the sand' when it comes to discussing or debating his liberal position on many issues--will keep him in good stead with the liberal-leaning wing of the Party.
It's up to conservatives to keep 'enlightening' all Republicans about how LIBERAL Rudy really is. It is happening as we speak, but it will be a slow process--as most are just starting to look at the candidates.
I urge every FReeper to read this (or catch MTP reruns on MSNBC).
Meet The Press transcript. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22170668/
Russert reamed Giuliani unmercifully. Russert was visibly disgusted at Rootys moronic smirking and giggling over every serious question. Russert even reprimanded RG: hey, these are serious questions.
Russert hit RG with dirty Kerik, security for Jooty, and Rooty’s scummy business dealings-pitchng hardball questions.
The smirking, grinning Rooty lied and lied and lied. He provided security for his bimbo well-before she was publicly known-—so how could she have been threatened? Rooty and his admin diverted government funds to give the bimbo 24/7 security coverage. Obscure agencies with struggling budgets were saddled with the bills for Rooty’s mistress.
Thanks to Tim Russert, Rudy’s numerous glaring personality and character flaws were exposed. Tim Russert provided a great public service.
Ran a sanctuary city and was darned proud of it. There are times when undocumented workers (code for illegal aliens) must have protection, he insisted then. He praised the courage and ambition it takes to leave your native country and start a new life in a new land and to begin by breaking the laws of that new land, refusing to learn its language, scarfing government benefits, taking jobs from those who are there legitimately (immigrant and native born) and perhaps committing a more serious crime or two.
In 1994, the Huddled Masses Kid told an audience, If you come here and you work hard and you happen to be in an undocumented status, youre one of the people who we want in this city. On 9/11, some with an undocumented status accepted his invitation.
In 1996, Giuliani compared immigration reform advocates to the Know Nothing Party. The anti-immigration issue thats now sweeping the country in my view is no different than the movements that swept the country in the past. You look back at the Chinese Exclusionary Act, or the Know-Nothing movement these were movements that encouraged Americans to fear foreigners, to fear something that is different, and to stop immigration. Besides the smear comparing a majority of concerned Americans to racists and xenophobes we should fear those who infiltrate our borders, who may have criminal records or terrorist ties. We should also fear the effect on national unity of those who dont learn English and wont identify with America (witness all of the Mexican flags at illegals demonstrations last year).
In 2000, Rudy boasted, There isnt a mayor or a public official in this country thats more strongly pro-immigrant (another euphemism) than I am, including disagreeing with President Clinton when he signed anti-immigrant legislation (cutting off a few benefits to some illegals) about two or three years ago, which we got some amendments of (sic.) to protect the rights of immigrants. Did that include flying lessons? How do you say I love New York in Arabic?
Seems like St Rooty's aura is wearing thin and his halo getting tarnished. After he loses in Iowa, NH, and SC - come Super Tuesday his support will be gone as people will see the 'Emperor Has No Clothes' (America's Mayor Is A Phony) and he'll fade away and be like last year's news.
It also has some stuff about Mitt & Huck on their Illegal problems but right now Rooty Tooty is the concern.
Thanks, Book-marked for future use :-)
Oh wow... He’s completely melting down. I wanted him to lose the primaries just to keep our party out of RINO/immoral clutches. Now I want to see him lose the primaries just to enjoy, with extreme satisfaction, watching the GOP base flush this liar down the electoral toilet.
“Hunter built the darned fence.”
And Rudy said he wanted a virtual fence.
Post #36 - the REAL Rudy.
But that wouldn't keep me from voting for him if I thought I could believe a word he says.
For Rudy Giuliani to come out and tell such a blatant lie about something that is so easily refuted is pretty remarkable. It looks to me like an act of desperation on his part — perhaps after seeing how Hillary Clinton’s campaign began sinking like a rock almost exclusive because of this one issue.
When a candidate gets to that level of lying, he is scared to the point of irrationality and desperation. He must not even be placing on internal polling.
Scoff——everything Rooty’s said so far is a contradiction of what he said (or did) in a previous life......his memory underwent an Extreme Makeover.
Giuliani’s “values” wouldn’t fill a thimble. He worships at the Church of Whatever Works For Me.
This egomaniac thinks he can force on Americans the irrational mindset stinking up Mideast hellholes.
Speaking of that... I hear that Rudy’s jock strap is actually a thimble with two rubber bands.
Oh puhleez,,,when it comes to blatant lies--I'll match Rudy's claim that he did NOT know his first wife was his second cousin (he claims he thought she was his third cousin) with ANY of his lies!! Rudy made that claim to get his annulment from the Catholic Church.
I mean, get real Rudy. He was married for 14 years,,,FOURTEEN years!!! You would think that SOMEONE in either family (or friends from either family) might have noticed that--during the engagement, wedding, reception, family get-togethers, family parties, anniversaries, birthdays, family cookouts, family anythings....lol
Come on Rudy, who but a Rudy apologist would believe THAT whopper?
Makes a lotta sense.
That’s why he brought the NYPD with him to vist his mistress-—as reinforcements when the going got (ahem) rough.
Sorry Rooty, you are in the wrong party, conservatives check out what candidates claim.
In a sad sort of way, I feel sorry for Rooty, like I do for most folks who are totally desperate. This is a big stretch, Rooty, and saying this is very sad, because you know that few believe a word you are saying.
Hey folks, never think your past actions do not have consequences, just ask Rooty, he will never be President.
****Rudy wears a pink feather boa and no tux.
But that wouldn’t keep me from voting for him if I thought I could believe a word he says.****
Lets get something straight (no pun intended) I would vote for him as well, but like Hilly & Billy, Rudy doesn’t know what honesty is.
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