Posted on 12/11/2007 4:50:40 PM PST by charles m
LAS VEGAS - Six junior high or high school students were shot Tuesday after they got off a school bus, and two were critically hurt, police said.
Gunshots rang out in northeast Las Vegas just before 2 p.m., Officer Bill Cassell said.
Six young people were transported to area hospitals. Four had minor gunshot injuries and two were in critical condition, Cassell said.
At least two people are believed to have taken part in the shootings, he said. Police were not saying whether the shooting suspects were on foot or in a vehicle.
The shooting occurred less than a mile from two elementary schools, Woolley and Clyde Cox Elementary Schools. A Clark County School District official said the schools were not closed.
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Associated Press writer Kathleen Hennessey contributed to this report.
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LAS VEGAS (AP) — Six junior high or high school students were shot Tuesday after they got off a school bus, and two were critically hurt, police said.
Gunshots rang out in northeast Las Vegas just before 2 p.m., Officer Bill Cassell said.
Six young people were transported to area hospitals. Four had minor gunshot injuries and two were in critical condition, Cassell said.
At least two people are believed to have taken part in the shootings, he said. Police were not saying whether the shooting suspects were on foot or in a vehicle.
north town to us locals
gang bang heaven
If communities are liberal, so the schools will be, and vice versa.
One can also argue that the larger culture is more decadent than it was, say 50 years ago, but that is not necessarily the fault of the schools and may in fact be a major cause of the problems in schools today.
It seems to me that a major ideological failing in this country is the perception that schools are able to solve all the ills of society, when in fact they frequently merely reflect said ills.
there should be a law that states all criminals should be referred to as dumbass... that way they won’t be glamorized by the media...
dumbass media...
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Koom bi ya, Koom bi bleeeeech!!!
I think I get your point but I'm not sure I can agree totally.
If schools were merely a reflection of the communities, then private schools should have the same results as public schools.
I agree that parental involvement can have a profound effect in the school system; the problem is there simply isn't enough of it.
Great post. I agree 100%!
Bravo to your wife. On the other hand, I will say that it pisses me off that I must get a license to do what the 2nd plainly allows without one, or risk prosecution.
Not really...private schools by definition serve a population that wants something different and is willing to pay for it...and frequently, if parents feel strongly enough about it to pay private school tuition, they are going to insist that teachers provide what they want and that their children comply with the rules.
Usually private schools have higher academic standards and stricter discipline than public schools.
By contrast, how many times have you heard of parents suing public schools (or threatening to do so) because said parents thought the discipline and academic standards were unduely harsh toward their little darlings? I'm convinced that part of the lowering of standards in public schools is due to threats of such lawsuits. By contrast, if you don't like the policies of a private school, they can tell you to go elsewhere.
I agree that parental involvement can have a profound effect in the school system; the problem is there simply isn't enough of it.
Often, there isn't. Sometimes, there is too much, of a negative nature. I frequently think that parents who worry too much about their child's "creativity" and "self-esteem" are detrimental to a school system.
A private school has a different community. Community doesn't necessarily mean just the surrounding area and people within.
The private school community would consist of the parents, students and teachers involved. Economically, they may not differ from their neighbors, but their values and goals are likely very different. It's a subset.
Inch by inch the media is working at degrading America into a cesspool through
the propaganda that is spewed every day throughout America.
Yes, they are trying to win America no matter the cost.
The price may be to high for them to handle in the end.
It's to bad that regret is after the fact, and most don't recognize it until it's to late.
God Bless America.
If your a young disaffected man, you can become famous too.
Kill 10 people and your name is known word wide for many days.
Why just commit suicide in anonymity, when you can have the whole world know your name, see your picture and know your beef, worldwide?
I predict there will be another 10+ killed in the next 3 days. It is almost inevitable.
Another fact is LA, Cal has lower crime than most all cities in this country of comparable size.
Interesting huh?
My impression is that L.A.'s infamous black gang subculture of the 1980s and 90s has largely been forced to relocate to Las Vegas and other cities by massive waves of illegal immigration. They were just getting overwhelmed by sheer numbers in L.A. The many unreported shootings in and around the Strip always seem to have a black hip-hop subculture connection.
MS-13 notwithstanding, the illegal Mexicans are not as violent on average as the urban blacks who preceded them. Leading one to surmise that this unorthodox form of urban renewal was one of the unstated goals of the open borders Republicans - to leaven out those criminal syndicates and Democrat voting blocs with waves of more politically malleable newcomers.
You stated it was also outside the big cities in some states.......
I grew up in NYC, I know about big city schools, public and private. Trouble is not confined to public schools, be they in big cities or rural communities.
Where I live, which is very rural, the good kids, academically and socially, do not want to go to the only private HS in the area because it is a haven for the bad kids and the gangs.
Agree.........just too weird to be chance that this crap only happens on the rats congressional watch.
These little fantasy filled murderers need too know this.....
Not one of you has won your sad sick little gamer episode with real guns. You and your kind may score a few points choosing the playing field that says no guns allowed or banned by law.......but trust in this ya little POS’s.
You will die a horrible and horrific death on the “playing” field by armed civilians or LEO’s and or endure hard core physical attacks during your hopefully short stay in jail and prison before yer put down like the rabid animals you want too be...
Sick little sacks of crap piss me off.
Doom on em .
Stay safe GR !
nite !
Don’t worry I’m sure Reid is on it!Yea Crime fighter Harry Reid.
Which is pretty much... everything.
But you do it with such belligerent panache.
No. Probably just typical urban violence carried on the nationwide media screen as part of a nationwide effort, as the mainstream media is determined to effectuate a redefinition of the Second Amendment by SCOTUS and have them support Washington D.C.’s gun bans.
Not really, satan is being cornered with the upcoming scotus case, iraq is history and elections are edging toward conservative platformsand. the gloves are coming off. Its only gonna get worse before it gets better...
remember, the good guys win in the end...
There is merit in this method of dealing with the media hungry monsters that are prowling these days. Instead, our current entertainment mocks leaders in our society. If Conen O'Brian and others were to focus on belittling the cowards murdering innocent people, these misfits might avoid the spotlight instead of wanting to go out as a counter-culture hero as they see themselves
Well, if this ever happens I sure hope someone is paying attention to who is being hired as bus drivers. And, makes sure they are properly trained to use those guns.
The best thing to do, IMHO, is to get as many people as possible licensed with CCW. People who have no intention of carrying, even people opposed to the idea. We want to reach a critical mass of liberty.
One good idea would be for shooting ranges to offer gift specials, with the training class and all required paperwork. The local Sheriff’s Department could arrange for official fingerprinting at the range following completion of the course, and then accept applications. For a little fee.
We’d give these CCW gift packs to our wives, girlfriends, sisters, moms, friends, etc. “That’s worth $200, honey, don’t let it go to waste.” And from guilt they would learn the skills and wisdom of CCW.
Criminals going to Vegas from Cal? Another big plus for Cal.
Thanks for waiting to post this inane garbage on this thread and not on the threads about the Colorado shooter.
The PD has a gang unit. Not the school. We now return you to your regularly scheduled 3 Stooges episode.
You may have missed the story over the weekend.
Lemme change a couple of words, apply it to the story on this thread and see if it rings a bell.
Now if he had gone off the deep end, everyone could point to the fact that he had been in public shool, which was actually a result of his problems not the cause of them. It would paint a very inaccurate, unflattering picture of public schoolers and be used with glee by those who wish to bash it.
Hmmmm.
[When it comes to public schools it appears many on this forum do not have an open mind, which is a shame.]
As long as public schools can force Ritalin and other mind altering drugs on kids without parental notification, the schools will be lousy .
I have read all of the posts and have come to one conclusion.
Rather than bash public schools or extol homeschool virtues, I am going to pray for those who were affected, the families of the children who are in critical condition and for the police to nab those who did this to children.
I think that in our rushes to point fingers, we have forgotten one very important thing: some children, young children, have been seriously hurt and need some serious help.
And I would caution you to be careful in automatically assuming that when somebody dismisses something you find worthy of consideration he does so because he finds it "uncomfortable". It IS possible to disagree with you without suffering from neurotic anxiety, strange as that may seem. And it's possible to argue for a conjecture without calling one's opponents mental health into question. No, really, it is......
Strat:
Thanks for the 411 on GHWB's tats. I wonder what his rap name is.
Some folks are convinced that they are the last word on sanity, geopolitical reality, spirituality, geology, geography, space, Christianity, Conspiracies, . . .
even though their main claim to fame seems to be a massive collection of throwing rocks and lots of practice.
Skepticism can be healthy to a point.
Making of it a god and an obsessive habit is not my idea of a great way to assess reality or a great way to live.
The public school system has given us the modern day social and political realities of America today.
As one who once worked in education, I am appalled at how totally the pursuit of the end of America, and the manner in which the achievements, ideals, values, pride and dignity of Western Civilization are so thoroughly demeaned in all of public education, both normal and higher.
Were it to fall apart and crash burning to the ground, this country would be the greater for it.
It is no longer an asset, but a public disgrace. - Abolish it, in toto.
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Far too much truth in what you say.
Ritalin is a controlled substance that cannot even be called in by the doctor, but the prescription must be hand carried by the parent to the pharmacy. Please cite an example where a school district diagnosed, purchased, and administered a controlled substance to a child.
What a massively impressive achievement . . .
pontificated proscriptions of perceived silliness
by
a paragon preacher of proliferating proud protesting silliness.
Ahhhh welll . . . in due course . . . the TRUTH will OVERTLY REIGN UNIMPEDED, UNCHALLENGED.
HOWEVER,
the FEDERAL MANDATES
coupled with
the massive mind bending propaganda at the teaching of teachers Univs; news media, entertainment media . . . Wash, DC, . . .
have left K-PhD institutions as mostly mind controlling factories of robots for hell.
This shooter is merely the logical, spiritual result of such mind-bending projects birthed in hell and managed reasonably well by the NWO for many decades.
Yes, they are trying to win America no matter the cost.
The price may be to high for them to handle in the end.
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Only because of GOD ALMIGHTY.
He alone has the power to neutralize and destroy them and all their very calculated evil.
And THAT IS scheduled as Revelation makes abundantly clear.
However, 1/3 to 2/3rds of the global population will be dead between now and then.
Thankfully, when all is said and done, all memory of them will also be erased.
LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED.
I predict there will be another 10+ killed in the next 3 days. It is almost inevitable.
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I have wondered.
IT does begin to appear that the puppet masters have lit off a more intense, more frequent level of chaos . . . quite according to their script of scaring folks into a tyrannical global government.
Shrillery is so eager for it she’s virtually salivating at the prospect even in public.
That . . . with deliberately crashing the dollar toward forcing the Amero . . .
life looks to get interesting the next 12 months plus.
Realize this . . . my reading and observations convince me that . . .
at the point of death . . . the pathetic buggers . . .
must experience each and every microsecond of pain they have caused in each and every life they have influenced by all their evil decisions and actions . . . and not merely from some perspective of a lofty bird . . .
but
AS THOUGH THEY WERE THE PERSON EXPERIENCING THE PAIN THEY HAVE CAUSED.
It may be that they will be reliving such pains for a very long time.
From the frying pan into the fire is an inadequate description of the journey they have launched out on.
But you do it with such belligerent panache.
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There is that . . . kind of like an amusing precocious red headed little 2 year old boy who keeps stubbing his toe and falling down in his fiesty rants at the way things are.
. . . a beligerence and panache beyond his years . . . yet . . . very clumsy obtuseness along-side true reality . . . at the same time.
But then . . . I’m a biased observer. LOL.
remember, the good guys win in the end...
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CERTAINLY. I read THE BOOK.
Actually, it was never really a contest.
satan’s rebellions have served a purpose of highlighting for all creation the consequences of rebellion vs the consequences of LIFE and TRUE FREEDOM IN OBEDIENCE TO LIFE.
He makes abundantly clear that death is not an overcoming, fulfilling, joyful habit.
Sounds like a neighborhooooooooooooooooooooooood
coming soon almost everywhere.
I honestly don’t think that any of this is the school’s fault. It didn’t happen on the campus as near as I can tell; it just happened near a school bus.
If it’s gang related, they would have got *hit* sometime sooner or later. They just happened to conveniently be in one place at one time, and likely no one was targeting all six of the kids. I’d guess it was just one or two and the rest were just collateral damage, so to speak- they sadly got caught in the crossfire.
Stomach wounds are bad. Those kids especially need our prayer.
Sorry, don't buy it. Having been a target of harassment through much of my school years, they caused me far more grief than anything my family threw at me.
The shooters at Colombine actually ran across kids they knew before the shootings and warned them to stay away from the campus. It sounds like the way they were treated at the school had a big impact on their behavior.
Many of the other kids who did shootings were outcasts or social misfits. In these cases, their *socialization* is what pushed them over the edge.
For the numbers of kids involved in school shootings at the public school level and the homeschool level, those misfit homeschoolers have a better track record. If being improperly socialized from being homeschooled were the issue or cause, then you could expect homoeschoolers to be far more disproportionately represented in going off the deep end and it's not happening. The facts do not bear that out.
Kids can be pretty ruthless (think Lord of the Flies) without proper adult supervision and that just is not feasible in the system as it exists today. It's simply a practical matter; not all the kids can be watched all the time, and they shouldn't be.
Sorry, guess I forgot my compassion for a moment. /s
If that is your definition of community, then I agree with your opinion.
Yes, Louisiana would be a good example where all public schools produce poor results, big city, rural and in between.
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