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Giuliani's Security Measures (Thought terrorists might attack Judi)
Washington Post ^ | Dec 11, 2007 | Alec MacGillis

Posted on 12/11/2007 7:16:53 PM PST by calcowgirl

... Giuliani's concern for Nathan's security should not come as a surprise to anyone. In his best-selling 2002 memoir "Leadership," Giuliani recounts that one of his main concerns on Sept. 11, 2001 was that the terrorists who attacked the Twin Towers and Pentagon might also be coming after Nathan. He describes his priorities after he and his top advisers finally managed to find a site, a firehouse, to serve as a new command center after fleeing the one at the World Trade Center. He and his team called city hospitals to make sure they were ready for the injured. Then they made sure other possible targets such as the Statue of Liberty, Empire State Building and Stock Exchange were under extra guard. Then, he writes, he called his "loved ones" -- first Hanover, to tell her he had sent extra security to evacuate Gracie Mansion, the mayoral residence, and then Nathan, both to reassure her that he was okay and to check on her security.

"I called Judith Nathan, who had been by my side for two difficult years," Giuliani writes. "Our relationship at that point was very public, and she, too, had received threats. I thought those attacking the city might go after her, and I wanted to make sure she was safe." He continues, "When I finally got on the phone, I told Judith I loved her and that she must stay in her apartment -- that she'd be safest there and that security was already on the way."

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: giuliani; judith

1 posted on 12/11/2007 7:16:55 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl

Makes sense.


2 posted on 12/11/2007 7:23:56 PM PST by Rudder
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To: Liz; indylindy; TitansAFC; stephenjohnbanker; TommyDale

Priorities, ya know? LOL


3 posted on 12/11/2007 7:28:54 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Rudder

Yep—those squeegeemen were out flying airplanes into buildings to launch revenge on the mayor and his mistress.

Makes perfect sense. /s


4 posted on 12/11/2007 7:30:28 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl
.....he writes he called his "loved ones" ---- first his wife Hanover.....and then his mistress Nathan.....

Can’t you just hear Jooty at that revelation?

“W-h-a-a-a-a-t---you called your wife BEFORE you called me?"

5 posted on 12/11/2007 7:34:00 PM PST by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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To: calcowgirl
Makes perfect sense. /s

YES..it does make sense. He also had many enemies before 9-11.

6 posted on 12/11/2007 7:34:24 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: calcowgirl
Rootybotniks pose for a group picture.



The braindead botniks see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.

The botniks believe all city budgets underwrite
the Mayor satisfying his sexual urges with a bimbo.

7 posted on 12/11/2007 7:36:59 PM PST by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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To: Rudder

This had nothing to do with terrorists. The guy had a wife at home and a girlfriend on the side. Wife and girlfriend each needed police protection from the other.


8 posted on 12/11/2007 7:37:33 PM PST by tear gas (Because of the 22nd Amendment, we are losing President. Bush. Can we afford to lose him now?)
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To: tear gas
"Wife and girlfriend each needed police protection from the other."

And who would walk the dog?

9 posted on 12/11/2007 7:42:18 PM PST by penowa
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To: All

I am really not sure what the big deal is over this issue but if we care about Giuliani providing security for his mistress; we should also care about why Mort Zuckerman, the billionaire, seems to have the NYPD at his disposal. There is, routinely, an SUV with NYP plates and chauffeur stationed outside his Upper East Side, Manhattan home. Does anyone know anything about this? Can a private citizen (a billionaire), obtain an NYP license plate or is Bloomberg simply helping out Mort at taxpayers’ expense?


10 posted on 12/11/2007 7:44:36 PM PST by rpage3
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To: penowa

It’s just lucky that neither the wife nor the girlfriend ever learned the truth about Rudy and Bernie.


11 posted on 12/11/2007 7:45:46 PM PST by tear gas (Because of the 22nd Amendment, we are losing President. Bush. Can we afford to lose him now?)
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To: Liz

Don’t be silly. Of course she should have gotten protection.

To pretend otherwise would be to be blind to operational realities. To fail to provide security would have been a dereliction on the part of the city security apparatus.

Yah, you hate Rudy. I get that. But it would be better to spend energy on things that really matter.


12 posted on 12/11/2007 7:47:35 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: calcowgirl

Gee. How self-important and self-centered can he be?


13 posted on 12/11/2007 7:48:28 PM PST by Politicalmom (Huckabee is the GOP's Jimmy Carter. Are you ready for the plundering of your pocketbook?)
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To: rpage3

NYPD is supposed to protect people in the city. Does Mort get to take NYPD officers with him when he travels to other states like Rudy’s mistress did?


14 posted on 12/11/2007 7:49:24 PM PST by tear gas (Because of the 22nd Amendment, we are losing President. Bush. Can we afford to lose him now?)
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To: Ramius
Don’t be silly. Of course she should have gotten protection.

Just watch - when Rudy drops out of the race (and that won't take too long now) even Rudy will concede that it was indefensible. It was really just theft.

15 posted on 12/11/2007 7:54:27 PM PST by tear gas (Because of the 22nd Amendment, we are losing President. Bush. Can we afford to lose him now?)
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To: Irish Eyes
YES..it does make sense. He also had many enemies before 9-11.

Planes crash into the Pentagon and WTC and you think dispatching NYPD law enforcement to check on the mistress of the mayor is a proper and appropriate application of priorities? You think it is sound to conclude that the WTC attack was all about Rudy--that it was an attack on him? This makes no sense to me.

16 posted on 12/11/2007 7:55:40 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Ramius
Of course she should have gotten protection.

Why? What specific threat was there to Judi?

17 posted on 12/11/2007 7:57:37 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl
This makes no sense to me.

It's not going to make sense, either. Some of these guys are in love with Rudy. It's beyond rationality.

18 posted on 12/11/2007 7:58:09 PM PST by tear gas (Because of the 22nd Amendment, we are losing President. Bush. Can we afford to lose him now?)
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To: tear gas

I have no idea if the NYPD travels around with Mort; I can assure you, however, that there is no NYP SUV, with a driver stationed outside my apartment building waiting for or “protecting” me. What I do know, for a fact, is that Mort uses this arrangement as his personal car service.


19 posted on 12/11/2007 8:01:41 PM PST by rpage3
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To: calcowgirl
You think it is sound to conclude that the WTC attack was all about Rudy--that it was an attack on him? This makes no sense to me.

NOWHERE has it EVER been said (or that he thought) that it was all about him.

20 posted on 12/11/2007 8:02:07 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: Irish Eyes
NOWHERE has it EVER been said (or that he thought) that it was all about him.

But YOU certainly implied it--that it made sense to dispatch security for Judi because "he also had many enemies before 9-11."

21 posted on 12/11/2007 8:05:08 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: rpage3
So, you really think that because "Judith" was Rudy's girlfriend, the taxpayers owed her a police escort as she traveled to other states?

Or, is your emotional attachment to Rudy such that you feel that it is impossible for him to have been involved in a theft of government services?

I don't want to sound callous, but it's really not the business of the NYPD if the wife physically attacks the mistress outside the city limits. Rudy had no business stealing city taz money to pay for the girlfriend's protection outside the city.

22 posted on 12/11/2007 8:06:45 PM PST by tear gas (Because of the 22nd Amendment, we are losing President. Bush. Can we afford to lose him now?)
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To: calcowgirl

bfl


23 posted on 12/11/2007 8:07:02 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: calcowgirl

I guess I will post more s l o w l y.

Protection details are there to provide security for VIPs that, if they were targeted, would compromise the executive.

The Secret Service, for example, provides security not just for the POTUS, but members of the family and ANYONE that, were they targeted, would interfere with the executive’s ability to do his job.

The President’s daughters get SS protection not because their lives matter to the country. They don’t. They get proection because getting to the family is a way to get to the President.

Same for any Governor, or in this case a Mayor. The minute that the Mayor of NYC has a girlfriend, married or not, that girlfriend damn well better be getting a security detail. Anything less would be a dereliction of their duty to protect the Mayor from threats that may interfere with the ability to do his job.


24 posted on 12/11/2007 8:19:17 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Ramius

Oh, puhleeze. Shall we dispatch security for city council members, too? How about school prinicipals? How about the accountant for the state pension fund? You seem to accept your elected citizens as royalty, being deserving of special perks.

But, I will ask again—What specific threat was there to Judi?


25 posted on 12/11/2007 8:26:31 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Ramius

Bloomberg’s girlfriend doesn’t have a police detail and this is post 911 which as you know “changed everything.”


26 posted on 12/11/2007 10:03:55 PM PST by DemEater
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To: calcowgirl
To paraphrase Bill Clinton's pathetic 'apology'--Reference Monica, "Presidents have a right to a personal life too".

Reference Rudy's mistress, "Mayors have a right to a personal life, too, dontcha know????? /s

27 posted on 12/11/2007 10:13:16 PM PST by stockstrader (We need a conservative who will ENERGIZE the Party, not a liberal who will DEMORALIZE it!)
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To: calcowgirl; Ramius; Liz

have to agree with Ramius here

this is a non-issue

it is entirely conceivable that elements of organized crime or disorganized crime or just a random new york crazy would target the wife/girlfriend/son/daughter/grandmother et. al. of the mayor of new york city

hence the security detail

don’t like it ? well if you pay your taxes to NYC you may have a legitimate opinion/complaint, otherwise you are just grinding an axe.


28 posted on 12/11/2007 10:28:08 PM PST by malamute
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To: malamute

Just dusting off another FR username, huh?

With respect to mother, grandmother—that would hardly be necessary as mama’s brother was in the mob
and she didn’t have a security detail before her 2002 death.
As to the mob hit rumors, that has been debunked. Do your homework.

Being “entirely conceivable” still does not answer the question:
What specific threat was made against Judi?
(That was the justification for the security detail, not some “conceivable” event)


29 posted on 12/11/2007 10:52:41 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

A politician should pay for their mistresses protection with their own money. Government money should be reserved for spouse’s protection.


30 posted on 12/12/2007 5:31:12 AM PST by Sig Sauer P220
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To: Rudder
Makes sense.

It might make sense that he wanted to protect his girlfriend, but it doesn't make any sense that he thought he was entitled to use city employees to protect her.

31 posted on 12/12/2007 5:46:46 AM PST by Elyse (I refuse to feed the crocodile.)
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To: calcowgirl
What specific threat was there to Judi?

Beats me. I don't really care. I just don't think this matter is all that unreasonable, and I sure don't think it's some huge scandal that has any nationwide play.

There's other issues with Rudy that I'd like to see him deal with first. Not this peripheral stuff. Guns especially. That's his biggest problem. I'd like see some evidence that he has no interest in pushing gun control.

I'm actually leaning toward Thompson at this point. But Rudy may end up being the nominee. If he can make it clear that gun control won't be on his agenda... well then he might must make a decent President. Nothing else about him really bugs me all that much. Until then, though, I keep hoping that Thompson can somehow build some momentum.

32 posted on 12/12/2007 7:11:17 AM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Sig Sauer P220; calcowgirl; Elyse
It's not the security detail's expenses that are at issue here; it's the EXTRA police expenses that Rudy incurred; expenses he calculatedly hid in obscure agencies.

(1) Every NYC mayor gets a security detail 24/7 which is a standard budget item as is the Mayor's family's security detail. If Rudy had simply stayed home with his wife and kids acting like the paradigm family man he conned the public into believing he was, HE WOULD NEVER HAVE INCURRED EXTRA EXPENSES for gas, hotels & meal per diems, and occasional airline bills. These bills exposed Rooty's extramarital activities and become fodder for the NY press (and the thing that probably sank his bid for US Senator).

(2) Yes, Rudy was married and porking his mistress. Bad enough---but the coverup is what's at issue here. The malfeasance committed intemded meant to coverup the married Mayor was getting it on with his mistress.

(3) Rudy secretly buried these expenses in obscure agencies.....that in itself is an admission of guilt.

(4) Rudy assigned six officers and police cars and drivers to guard his mistress, her NYC apartment building and her Hampton's condo. Police also walked her dog and drove her friends around......all at taxpayers' expense.

And all of it IN EXCESS of what the married Mayor was already alotted for security for himself, and his family.

33 posted on 12/12/2007 9:17:42 AM PST by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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