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New Study of the Literacy of College Students Finds Some are Graduating with Only Basic Skills
American Institute for Research (AIR) ^ | January 19, 2006 | Larry McQuillan

Posted on 12/11/2007 10:02:24 PM PST by MadDoctorD

REPORT BY AMERICAN INSTITUTES FOR RESEARCH FINDS AT LEAST 20 PERCENT OF COLLEGE GRADS UNABLE TO DO FUNDAMENTAL COMPUTATIONS

WASHINGTON, D.C. – Twenty percent of U.S. college students completing 4-year degrees – and 30 percent of students earning 2-year degrees – have only basic quantitative literacy skills, meaning they are unable to estimate if their car has enough gasoline to get to the next gas station or calculate the total cost of ordering office supplies, according to a new national survey by the American Institutes for Research (AIR). The study was funded by The Pew Charitable Trusts.

The AIR study found there is no difference between the quantitative literacy of today’s graduates compared with previous generations, and that current graduates generally are superior to previous graduates when it comes to other forms of literacy needed to comprehend documents and prose.

The complete study is available on the AIR Web site, www.air.org.

The new study, “The National Survey of America’s College Students,” (NSACS) is based on a sample of 1,827 graduating students from 80 randomly selected 2-year and 4-year public and private colleges and universities across the United States. By targeting students nearing the end of their degree programs, the study provides a broader and more comprehensive picture of fundamental college literacy skills than ever before.

“The surprisingly weak quantitative literacy ability of many college graduates is troubling,” says Dr. Stéphane Baldi, who directed the AIR study. “A knowledgeable workforce is vital to cope with the increasing demands of the global marketplace.”

Study findings include:

* More than 75 percent of students at 2-year colleges and more than 50 percent of students at 4-year colleges do not score at the proficient level of literacy. This means that they lack the skills to perform complex literacy tasks, such as comparing credit card offers with different interest rates or summarizing the arguments of newspaper editorials.

* Students in 2- and 4-year colleges have the greatest difficulty with quantitative literacy: approximately 30 percent of students in 2-year institutions and nearly 20 percent of students in 4-year institutions have only Basic quantitative literacy. Basic skills are those necessary to compare ticket prices or calculate the cost of a sandwich and a salad from a menu.

* Students about to graduate from college have higher prose and document literacy than previous graduates with similar levels of education; for quantitative literacy, differences between current and former college graduates are not significant.

* There are no significant differences in the literacy of students graduating from public and private institutions. Additionally, in assessing literacy levels, there are no differences between part-time and full-time students. No overall relationship exists between literacy and the length of time it takes to earn a degree, or between literacy and an academic major.

* There are no significant differences between men and women in college in their average prose, document, and quantitative literacy – indicating that women may be bridging a divide that has long existed between the sexes.

* The average prose and quantitative literacy of Whites in 4-year institutions is higher than for any other racial/ethnic group, mirroring trends in the general population. The fact that white students also have the highest prose and document literacy among students in 2-year colleges provides further evidence that the literacy gap between minority and non-minority students persists.

* The literacy skills of college students are directly related to the education of their parents: children whose parents graduated college or attended graduate school have higher literacy than students whose parents did not graduate high school or stopped after receiving a high school diploma or GED.

* Despite variations in income, most differences in the literacy of students across income groups are not significant. The most significant disparity exists between students in 4-year institutions with the lowest and highest income backgrounds. Students in the highest income group (either their personal income or the income of their parents) have higher prose and document literacy than students in the lowest income group.

* Literacy level is significantly higher among students who say their coursework places a strong emphasis on applying theories or concepts to practical problems, in comparison to students who say their coursework rarely touch on these skills.

The results of the study are intended to help college and university administrators identify specific academic areas where students have literacy gaps that should be addressed, as well as provide information on how prepared students are to join the labor force.

The report includes comparisons with data contained in the U.S. Department of Education’s “National Assessment of Adult Literacy” (NAAL), the first nationwide assessment of the literacy skills of U.S. adults aged 16 and older in more than a decade. The first NAAL report, which was released in December, was written by AIR authors.

“Despite the lackluster performance of many graduates on quantitative literacy, we should nevertheless be encouraged that current college graduates are not falling behind in terms of literacy when compared to graduates from earlier generations,” says Emerson Elliott, a former Commissioner of Education Statistics at the U.S. Department of Education.

“Higher education institutions should take careful note of the important benefits derived from emphasizing analytic and critical thinking, and the application of theories in preparing students,” says Peter Ewell, vice president of the National Center for Higher Education Management Systems.

Elliott and Ewell are members of the National Advisory Panel that guided the direction of the study. Other panel members include: Joni Finney, vice president of the National Center for Public Policy and Higher Education; George Kuh, director of the Center for Postsecondary Research at Indiana University; Margaret Miller, director of the Center for the Study of Higher Education at the University of Virginia; and Nichole Rowles, Planning and Evaluation Officer for The Pew Charitable Trusts.


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This is disturbing.

In all honesty, one would hope that the best and the brightest are those who actually go to college and learn something. Apparently these "some" which should actually be classified as "most" are nothing more than the same bumbling morons going in as going out.

This is the education from the best and the brightest. This is the new American. Welcome to what SHOULD BE Premium Education.

Then again, these are the products of the drunk, marajuana-burning, trash-bags called "University Professors".

1 posted on 12/11/2007 10:02:30 PM PST by MadDoctorD
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To: MadDoctorD

Education has become a product produced by government UNIONS. No surprise education is on the same path as the auto and steel industry.


2 posted on 12/11/2007 10:08:22 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: MadDoctorD
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/CareerManagement/story?id=2582776&page=1

 

 

'Cover Letters from Hell' Expose Poor Quality of College Grads

A Chicago Adverstising Agency Highlights a Shocking Number of Errors in Job Seekers' Cover Letters

Oct. 19, 2006 —

 

If recent college graduates apply for a job at Killian Advertising in Chicago, they'd better mind their grammar, spelling and punctuation -- not to mention their sentence structure, syntax and diction -- lest they end up in the company's "Cover Letters From Hell" that it posts on its Web site.

Six years ago, Bob Killian, owner and founder of the agency, began posting anonymous excerpts from poorly written cover letters he received from those asking for employment.

The mistakes ranged from unfortunate omissions ("I am seeking a new position as i have recently been laid" and "I also have a degree English which serves me well in editing text for poor grammer or typos") to nonsense sentences and topics ("It is through the innovational process, as well as media, that the features of an image can be highlighted and brought to the forefront for the consumer viewing" or "The colors red, blue, and lavender are those that I identify with the most. I feel they accurately describe my personality. I choose red because I turn red when I get embarrassed ...").

Some candidates even try their hand at poetry -- one girl rewrote "'T'was the Night Before Christmas," editing herself and the advertising company into the story and substituting presents for a job.

The goal of putting the letters online, Killian said, is to show job seekers that, "Hello! This is not a recognizable form of communication!"

 

Ridicule Not the Point

Recently, Killian went through 100 letters that arrived at his agency from applicants requesting jobs and interviews. Of the 100, not one was without some kind of spelling, grammar or syntax error.

At first, Killian thought that a personal approach was best. When one of the letters came from a senior graduating from a fairly prestigious college and did not contain a single sentence without an error, Killian drafted a "gentle note," advising the student to get some help with his writing.

What Killian got in response was an angry four-page reply.

"That really set him off," Killian recalls. "We haven't done it since. We don't want to have to change the locks on the building."

Unfortunately, in the 19 years of the company's existence, the problem seems to be getting worse, which Killian attributes to changes in technology and everyday communication.

"There are a whole lot of people that can't speak in an authentic voice," Killian said. "We're not a generation that writes a lot. Colleges don't seem to be very demanding.

"Texting is making it worse. We're getting printed letters with the letter 'U' standing for 'you.' And this kid wants to be hired in a communications position!"

While the site started off as just a joke within the company, its popularity has helped Killian find business clients and literary agents find him. A small book is currently being compiled with "Cover Letters from Hell" excerpts the company has collected over the years.

Though the site's commentary pokes fun at applicants, Killian insists that ridicule is not really the point of the compilation.

"Quite a few [potential applicants] are intimidated from applying, or sending a cover letter at all, but all that they should do is exercise some care," Killian said.

"I think if people just absorb what's in there, they'll at least be able to write clearly and express themselves in a meaningful way."

 


3 posted on 12/11/2007 10:11:40 PM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Just mythoughts

¿que?


4 posted on 12/11/2007 10:17:38 PM PST by Disciplinemisanthropy (...and that, people, is what grinds my gears.)
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To: MadDoctorD

Sounds like too many liberal arts degrees.


5 posted on 12/11/2007 10:19:15 PM PST by umgud (no more subprime politicians)
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To: CarrotAndStick
"There are a whole lot of people that can't speak in an authentic voice," Killian said.

Hehe. For someone who is supposedly an English grammar perfectionist, you would think he'd know that the above sentence should read:

"There are a whole lot of people who can't speak in an authentic voice," Killian said.

6 posted on 12/11/2007 10:19:35 PM PST by SeafoodGumbo
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To: SeafoodGumbo

Duh, he was talking about *robotic* people, like cylons, which are things.


7 posted on 12/11/2007 10:23:07 PM PST by billybudd
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To: SeafoodGumbo
For someone who is supposedly an English grammar perfectionist

I don't think he is presenting himself as a .400 hitter, or expecting the applicants to be. He just thinks that they should know which end of the bat to hold.

8 posted on 12/11/2007 10:23:39 PM PST by Jeff Chandler ("Liberals want to save the world for the children they aren't having." -Mark Steyn)
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To: MadDoctorD

9 posted on 12/11/2007 10:24:26 PM PST by Bobalu (I guess I done see'd that varmint for the last time....)
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To: Just mythoughts
"Education has become a product produced by government UNIONS. No surprise education is on the same path as the auto and steel industry. "

BINGO!

10 posted on 12/11/2007 10:28:45 PM PST by matthew fuller (The destruction of the CIA tapes was indubitably intentional obstruction of treason.)
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To: Jeff Chandler
I don't think he is presenting himself as a .400 hitter, or expecting the applicants to be. He just thinks that they should know which end of the bat to hold.

Yeah, I know. It's still bad form to castigate others for making mistakes while you're making one in the process.

I do agree with him, though. I'm amazed at how so many people can't figure out the difference between "they're," "their," and "there."

11 posted on 12/11/2007 10:30:30 PM PST by SeafoodGumbo
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To: MadDoctorD

They should of studied more and may be they would be alot smarter then they our.


12 posted on 12/11/2007 10:33:08 PM PST by Sunny Poipu (Somebody else in Sunny Poipu for a while.)
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To: MadDoctorD
"“Despite the lackluster performance of many graduates on quantitative literacy, we should nevertheless be encouraged that current college graduates are not falling behind in terms of literacy when compared to graduates from earlier generations,” says Emerson Elliott, a former Commissioner of Education Statistics at the U.S. Department of Education. "

Yeah, right, we got to the moon with graduate engineers that couldn't read or drive a slide rule.

13 posted on 12/11/2007 10:33:23 PM PST by matthew fuller (The destruction of the CIA tapes was indubitably intentional obstruction of treason.)
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To: SeafoodGumbo
I'm amazed at how so many people can't figure out the difference between "they're," "their," and "there."

That's because there stupid.

14 posted on 12/11/2007 10:34:19 PM PST by Jeff Chandler ("Liberals want to save the world for the children they aren't having." -Mark Steyn)
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To: CarrotAndStick

This problem is not new. :-( Almost 20 years ago, my boss and I had to sort through roughly 200 resumes to find someone to fill a position. He would laugh hysterically at some of the cover letters, many from people with an Ivy League education. No one writes perfectly all the time, but here’s one line I’ll always remember from one letter in particular:

“I’m a team player. To me, 1 + 1 = 1.”

I still remember my boss quipping, “He can’t add.”


15 posted on 12/11/2007 10:37:17 PM PST by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: MadDoctorD

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16 posted on 12/11/2007 10:37:51 PM PST by It's me
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To: MadDoctorD

I transferred out of a far-left liberal university in Boston. Most of the students there were smart, but they were partying, drunk, or on drugs so much that these results aren’t that surprising.


17 posted on 12/11/2007 10:38:15 PM PST by camerakid400
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To: Jeff Chandler
That's because there stupid.

Hehe. Go easy on them, they din't eat enuff Wheatees.

18 posted on 12/11/2007 10:38:31 PM PST by SeafoodGumbo
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To: MadDoctorD
current graduates generally are superior to previous graduates when it comes to other forms of literacy needed to comprehend documents and prose.

If this is true then previous graduates must have been completely illiterate.

I've been attending college part-time for several years and have been continuously amazed at how many of my fellow students produce absolute gibberish in even the most basic written work.

Consider the one who concluded a critique of some of my work with the sentence, "you should listening to me because I get all A's and know what I talk about this and am a very good writer."

She was in her last semester.

19 posted on 12/11/2007 10:40:18 PM PST by irv
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To: SeafoodGumbo

You should reign in you’re elittist trendencys. You’re remarks is verry insluting, and patternizing and your probalby thinking your better then everyone else.

(singed) Prof. Dr. Ed U. Kashin, PHD (Ed)


20 posted on 12/11/2007 10:44:17 PM PST by Tenniel2 (The Clinton era: jackboots, plane crashes, and murders -- and those were the good days. - after Bray)
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To: irv

It is indeed sad. I realized the other day that your average European teenager probably speaks and writes better English than your average New Orleans (where I live) public high schooler.


21 posted on 12/11/2007 10:44:53 PM PST by SeafoodGumbo
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To: Tenniel2
insluting

hehehehehe...now that's a new word I'm going to have to remember!

22 posted on 12/11/2007 10:48:46 PM PST by SeafoodGumbo
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To: SeafoodGumbo

I was in New Orleans and vicinity a few weeks ago. I could hardly understand a word anyone said.

Including my brother.

I hope they were able to follow at least a little of what I said. They all nodded and smiled as if they did!


23 posted on 12/11/2007 10:49:32 PM PST by irv
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To: Just mythoughts

Well, sorta. I can’t speak for public universities - I went to a private school. There are lots of things that might be classified labor market inefficiencies - tenure really, and the apportionment process between departments.

I don’t think if you got rid of job security for Professors it would help much, though. The reason is because this sort of basic, error-free writing proficiency should be learned in secondary school, and isn’t. Professors aren’t supposed to teach the A-B-Cs and they don’t care much about them- a good school will have some sort of intensive writing seminar for freshmen, but often students will get poor feedback or idea-oriented feedback.

So, why are a bunch of borderline-functional teenagers going to college? A lot of it has to do with student loans and government subsidized education, I think. Lots of kids that can’t and never will write end up at school because they’re supposed to. If anything, we ought to be subsidizing (much cheaper) loans for trade and technical schools to make sure our industrial base doesn’t evaporate completely. College is a lousy career path for lots of kids. We still need to make things, but crappy guidance counselors and the conventional wisdom is to just shove everyone to college that has a pulse.

The result has not been better kids, it’s been much worse universities.


24 posted on 12/11/2007 10:49:49 PM PST by socalgop
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To: irv
I was in New Orleans and vicinity a few weeks ago. I could hardly understand a word anyone said. Including my brother. I hope they were able to follow at least a little of what I said. They all nodded and smiled as if they did!

Don't worry...it's just 'cuz we're all drunk. If you were drunk, it'd make perfect sense.

25 posted on 12/11/2007 10:53:26 PM PST by SeafoodGumbo
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To: MadDoctorD; aculeus; Billthedrill; AnAmericanMother
New Study of the Literacy of College Students Finds Some are Graduating with Only Basic Skills

In English, Some College Grads Can’t Read or Count.

26 posted on 12/11/2007 10:59:08 PM PST by dighton
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To: socalgop
Lots of kids that can’t and never will write end up at school because they’re supposed to.

Well, that sheep skin sure helped the scarecrow, and he didn't even have a brain.

27 posted on 12/11/2007 11:03:57 PM PST by Jeff Chandler ("Liberals want to save the world for the children they aren't having." -Mark Steyn)
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To: socalgop
I do agree with you. However, who taught these teachers of secondary education to teach what they teach. Self esteem and feeling based instruction is hardly a foundation to prepare a child for adult/college based instruction. This madness started at the college level some decades back.

Children come already prepackaged, fully self absorbed and feel no difference in wants and needs, no surprised then they end up at a local college without basic skills.

28 posted on 12/11/2007 11:10:12 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: MadDoctorD

“Higher education institutions should take careful note of the important benefits derived from emphasizing analytic and critical thinking, and the application of theories in preparing students,” says Peter Ewell, vice president of the National Center for Higher Education Management Systems.”

Good article and good comments ...First the colleges should teach writing skills with precise use of words, correct grammar, and ability to develop the test essay or written report to a logical conclusion....Then over 2 to 4 years stress the analytical skills and critical thinking. Multiple choice questions may test memory but tests requiring essay type answers help to sharpen the mind and the writing skills....ironic that tuitions are much higher today than in yesteryear, but the finished product is not as good as in previous generations...many college students today are just unable to analyze verbal problems and pick out the key points...Then they wonder why starting salaries in the business world are so low...


29 posted on 12/11/2007 11:10:58 PM PST by billmor
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To: MadDoctorD

not surprising since college and universities are really spending most of their time these days brainwashing students into becoming radicals of some leftist sort.


30 posted on 12/11/2007 11:15:36 PM PST by GOP Poet
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To: Tenniel2

Your rite.


31 posted on 12/11/2007 11:34:23 PM PST by The Electrician ("Government is the only enterprise in the world which expands in size when its failures increase.")
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To: SeafoodGumbo
I do agree with him, though. I'm amazed at how so many people can't figure out the difference between "they're," "their," and "there."

Ugh! "Than" and "then"

"your" and "you're"

"ensure" and "insure"

"its" and "it's"

and the misspelling of "separate" all drive me absolutely crazy!!! On a pickier note, my husband often points out that most people do not know when to use "that" or "which", and that non-words like "irregardless" are so common now that they appear in some dictionaries.

32 posted on 12/11/2007 11:53:40 PM PST by Mygirlsmom (I think Uncle Sam is prepping for a sex change. He's acting more like my mother every day.)
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To: MadDoctorD

And this is news to whom?


33 posted on 12/12/2007 12:03:38 AM PST by OldEagle
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To: Tenniel2
You should reign in you’re elittist trendencys. You’re remarks is verry insluting, and patternizing and your probalby thinking your better then everyone else.
Many a truth is spoken in jest.

I recently went to the 50th anniversary reunion of my HS class. Obviously, a bunch of old guys and gals like me; very few of them recognizable. But what struck me was the realization that the school had - I suppose, any school would have - categorized us quite unfairly back in the day.

I myself had a pretty high class standing, and I had to laugh at myself for having any hangover from that unfair categorization - which I of course was far too polite to express openly, fortunately. Because at a 50th reunion, class standing means zilch. It would be interesting to stand up at a H.S. graduation and express that thought . . .

And that brings up the point that some author has made - Charles Murray I think - that modern schooling artificially induces people to selectively mate by IQ.


34 posted on 12/12/2007 12:17:45 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

the’ir ya go again!!


35 posted on 12/12/2007 12:28:32 AM PST by ermmt
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To: MadDoctorD

Absolutely. I was disappointed that the people conducting the survey were not more upset by the results. I certainly was.


36 posted on 12/12/2007 1:02:55 AM PST by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.....for without victory there is no survival." Winston Churchill)
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To: MadDoctorD

The dumber they are, the more liberal they’ll vote. The dumbing down of our schools isn’t just an accident.


37 posted on 12/12/2007 1:08:47 AM PST by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: MadDoctorD
This is two years old. All of the problems outlined have been addressed and the colleges are turning out nothing but future Faulkners.

Seriously, in reading some of the cover letter excerpts from post #3, I think I recognize syntax and grammar errors common to Asian students. If this is true and it carries over into the study, then the problem may not be as serious as it seems. They may not be able to write English compositions well but they can get the clock on the VCR to stop blinking 12:00.

38 posted on 12/12/2007 1:17:34 AM PST by MARTIAL MONK
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To: CarrotAndStick
......Yet this study implies there is no difference between the sub-standard 30 percent of 4 year graduates and those graduates of previous generations. As an educator myself, though, I would disagree with that premise. I’ve met an inordinate number of young teachers who can’t spell, add or subtract, let alone construct meaningful sentences—and there seems to be more of them every year.
39 posted on 12/12/2007 1:18:15 AM PST by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.....for without victory there is no survival." Winston Churchill)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Yes. It is rather like using “U” to represent “You”.


40 posted on 12/12/2007 1:20:52 AM PST by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.....for without victory there is no survival." Winston Churchill)
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To: irv

That is so discouraging.


41 posted on 12/12/2007 1:25:16 AM PST by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.....for without victory there is no survival." Winston Churchill)
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To: dighton

That’s almost the truth——if you can’t compare interest rates, or compute the price of two items on a menu. THAT is terrible! I would expect junior high school students to be able to complete those tasks.


42 posted on 12/12/2007 1:34:01 AM PST by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.....for without victory there is no survival." Winston Churchill)
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To: MadDoctorD
. . . meaning they are unable to estimate if their car has enough gasoline to get to the next gas station or calculate the total cost of ordering office supplies . . .

I'm beginning to see how so many people made subprime loans they couldn't afford to pay back.

43 posted on 12/12/2007 2:42:38 AM PST by sportutegrl
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To: Tired of Taxes
As a former book editor, I’ve seen many howlers in the texts submitted for publication by “educated and respected academics.”

One stands out in memory, just because of the hilarious picture it conjures:

“I work under a yolk of self-sacrifice.”

44 posted on 12/12/2007 3:27:21 AM PST by corbie
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To: CarrotAndStick

Good stuff, and just sad.

On the main post of the thread, I’ve been railing about innumeracy for ages. It’s a major problem with MSM reporting, because not only is our modern journalist class Left-wing biased, they are also innumerate, and thus unable to begin to comprehend many of the issues we face.


45 posted on 12/12/2007 3:28:33 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: MadDoctorD
Reminds me of a line from the Randy Newman song "Rednecks":

"College men from LSU"

Went in dumb, come out dumb, too"

46 posted on 12/12/2007 3:30:59 AM PST by Hardastarboard (DemocraticUnderground.com is an internet hate site.)
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To: MadDoctorD

Colleges don’t teach basic things. They teach nonsense, like quere studies, lezbien studies, hate-Whitey studies, non-White studies, marxism, unrestricted sex and binge drinking.
So it’s no surprise that big corporations won’t hire Americans, and are welcoming foreigners with open arms.
Have you noticed? No White Americans are getting jobs.


47 posted on 12/12/2007 3:32:11 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: Just mythoughts
"Education has become a product produced by government UNIONS. No surprise education is on the same path as the auto and steel industry."

My Grandpappy had a favorite quote:

"If you want a degree, got to college. If you want an education, go to the library."

Apparently Frank Zappa and Gramps were of like mind on the subject.

"If you want to get laid, go to college, but if you want an education, go to the library."--- Frank Zappa

48 posted on 12/12/2007 3:44:48 AM PST by Mad Dawgg ("`Eddies,' said Ford, `in the space-time continuum.' `Ah,' nodded Arthur, `is he? Is he?'")
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To: singfreedom
"That’s almost the truth——if you can’t compare interest rates, or compute the price of two items on a menu. THAT is terrible! I would expect junior high school students to be able to complete those tasks."

I'd put it even earlier. Our boys had to be pretty proficient with fractions and percentages in elementary school, and so for that matter, did I. My former mother-in-law had an 8th grade education, and I'd stack her up favorably against many college graduates I meet today. It's just another form of inflation - everyone has to have a college diploma, so the rigor of the college curriculum is reduced to permit everyone to succeed.

49 posted on 12/12/2007 3:45:42 AM PST by Think free or die
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To: MadDoctorD

The number of respondents is too small for this to be believed with much accuracy. When they do a survey of more than 10,000 students that I can verify, Iwill believe.

Not to say that we have problems - this just smacks of a “Hey, let’s get in the newspapers” study.


50 posted on 12/12/2007 4:30:26 AM PST by txzman (Jer 23:29)
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